JCB's New Hydrogen Engine. 2023. World's First Hydrogen Excavator!

[@thecuriouslobster]

I no longer use this voice over in my videos. Please check out my latest video to see the change. I now use a professional voice over actor from Fiverr. Thanks

[@paulmurgatroyd6372]

If only more people would make this effort. Just as a point of interest, google translate can often pronounce place names quite accurately, for reference.

[@garygranato9164]

finally, some british innovation that we can be proud of

[@davidyoung9561]

This is so exciting. Paying particular attention to the engine oil, due to lack of contamination, the engine should need far fewer oil changes. I really hope this takes off. It would appear JCB has made a few break throughs that other manufacturers had not yet overcame.

[@thecuriouslobster]

Hi David. Glad you liked the video and found it interesting! I personally think this is a game changer for this industry. Customers could also potentially make their own hydrogen on site which would save transport and other costs. JCB are first movers in this sector. Toyota have recently made their own hydrogen combustion engine but for cars. Regarding the oil, if you check out this video and skip to 2:07 you can see someone pull out a dipstick to show how clean the oil is even after 250 hours of run time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmKXgqGamN2hf7c Pretty cool. Thanks for watching!

[@davidyoung9561]

@@thecuriouslobster The reason why engine oil has to be changed in petrol and diesel vehicles is because it get contaminated with hydrocarbons. This is why cars with manual geaboxes very rarely have the gearbox oil changed because it never gets contaminated. I wouldn't be surprised if a H2 engine could cover 100,000 miles and the oil still be like new.

[@thecuriouslobster]

@@davidyoung9561 I know right. Crazy.

[@horsebee1]

Having worked with gas engines sadly your theory does not work in practice Yes they do run cleaner but the oil still breaks down under heat and pressure. They still have al of the friction and heat loss of any other Internal combustion engine. Even JBC state that their hydrogen engine requires the same maintains regime as their diesel. As I said earlier if a contractor is not able to see an ongoing running cost reduction either in fuel or service then where is the incentive to convert

[@GregHighPressure]

@@thecuriouslobster its a bad idea, its less efficient than just using that same electricity to run motors directly... this company is just desperate to not modernise their manafacturing facilities to electric, to lose the long term investment in the plant that they already have..

[@kevinwilliams1602]

These engines ARE the future

[@derekwood91]

Incredible engineering! Just a fascinating watch for me, as I used to work in small bore tunnelling way back before my retirement. I'm a little surprised that there is no mention of the potash fertiliser mine located near Staithes,only a few mile north of this deposit. That mine goes way out under the North sea, and is another huge project which has been running for many years.

[@thecuriouslobster]

Wrong video Derek but thanks! 😂😂

[@Robert-A-R]

There are some good videos on that amazing engineering project, just type Woodsmith mine into the search box 👍🏻

[@johnbeard5001]

When can I have this fitted in my car just bloody marvellous

[@thecuriouslobster]

Haha. Glad you liked the video. Thanks for watching John!

[@atmm89]

worth keeping an eye on this, see how it pans out

[@wobby1516]

Brilliant British design ❤it.

[@navajyotichetia8968]

Until- a mole of oxygen slips inside the tank during refilling and then have a mind of its own when to go off

[@HardstylePete]

I wonder the total cost of ownership over 5,10 and 15 years in comparison to other alternatives.

[@rudyvega1710]

What is the cost to fill tanks compared to the cost of diesel, better yet a cost of ownership for one year compared to diesel.

[@thecuriouslobster]

Hi Rudy. Currently it's around 4 times more expensive. This is mostly for 2 reasons. 1: not many people make hydrogen gas and 2: it has to be compressed and transported a long distance because of reason 1. Compression and transportation make up 80% of the cost of hydrogen which will start to come down once there are more hydrogen plants. JCB are convinced that the industry will change and that infrastructure is starting to be rolled out. It will take time though. One real possibility in the future is that people will be able to make their own hydrogen on site which would have huge savings benefits. Here in the UK, from 2025, natural gas boilers will be banned for new properties. They must be hydrogen gas boilers. This will only add to the demand for hydrogen plants to meet the supply which in turn will lower the price of hydrogen for homes and for vehicles. It will be interesting to see how this pans out over this decade. Thanks for watching.

[@MrToranaGuy]

Jcb are way ahead of the market with this, can't wait to see them on job sites here in Australia!

[@thecuriouslobster]

@@MrToranaGuy Yep. They are changing their entire fleet to hydrogen. They are doing what Tesla did to the EV car market. First movers. Thanks for watching.

[@MrBobWareham]

Top marks for JCB, we all need to go there, much better than electric, cars have to be next, wind energy to hydrogen fuel!!

[@thecuriouslobster]

Yeah JCB will are definitely driving the industry at the moment. They are doing what Tesla did for electric cars but for hydrogen in the heavy plant industry. Others will follow. Glad you liked it. Thanks for watching!

[@ralphhillier676]

great! it seems weird your company has not been crushed by oil groups as most clean energy is. As a R/R mechanic way back I see the advantages of the spin off. You managed to mix profit with enviroment thankyou smart guys/ Ralph

[@WhatWeDoChannel]

That’s great! Let’s go!!

[@rsquared9703]

If we can combine nuclear energy with making hydrogen gas, this can really be a good replacement for fossil fuels. The fill and go approach is too effective than electric alternatives.

[@andrewmolenkamp6451]

Absolutely great, but of course it is another 15 percent, now we can pay 200,000.00 for a vehicle

[@jb7052]

Love your videos

[@thecuriouslobster]

Thanks JB! Just so you know, i no longer use the AI voice over. I use a real person now. You can check him out in my newest video if you haven't already seen it. Thanks again!

[@Denis-cf7ej]

It is a bomb on wheels

[@obelic71]

Using pure oxcygen ( a by product of making hydrogen) would eliminate Nox emissions. The surounding air has 78% nitrogen. Just ad a liquid oxcygen tank problem solved.

[@maliktamimawan]

All technology will be copied and so many other players will step in and eventually will take over the market and jcb's hard work will benefit others.

[@s13hgp]

British engineering has always been at the forefront and then "ripped off". Remember the Jet engine!

[@tuff_lover]

No CO2 engine yet? Grand shame, up your game.

[@horsebee1]

These engines look great and clearly they work but to call them a game changer is a dream. The first problem is simple, there is no form of storage and distribution of hydrogen as a transport fuel anywhere in almost any country in the world and on top of that to build it means starting from scratch. Nothing from the existing fuel distribution systems can be adapted. The second problem is cost. JBC's entire market is centered around the contracting industry who's focus is profit. To that end the running costs of their plant is a very high priority and the decision to switch from diesel to another fuel, of any type, is primarily one of cost, both capital and ongoing In other words if they are not going to reduce their costs they are not going to change. Sadly thoughts of doing good for the environment come way down the list and are rather a bonus than a focus. Changing to Hydrogen for a contractor means also putting in a complete new fueling system, one that has to be purpose built and pressure capable. The get an internal combustion engine that has all of the same friction and heat losses as any other internal combustion engines i.e. 30% of the fuel is wasted in generating heat without which the engine wont run but contributes nothing to the power output of the engine. In terms of ongoing service, oil and filter changes there is no difference in fact JBC make a point of the fact that the servicing system does not change. So the contractor changing to hydrogen gets all the capital costs of changing and no ongoing reduction in running costs, if anything they go up. The same contractor has a third conversion option in electricity which yes according to JBC has a higher capital cost of conversion but has a major ongoing service cost reduction. No oil or filter changes and a lot less components to fail or wear out. An electric motor is between 50 & 70% cheaper to run and I have never seen a construction site that does not have electricity already on site. Yes at some point in the future Hydrogen ay be viable but it needs a lot more development before it is.

[@fnorgen]

Yeah. Looks like it mostly comes down to if hydrogen can ever be reliably procured ad a low enough price that the lower energy efficiency vs direct electric, battery electric, or fuel cells no longer matters. But hydrogen with its extremely low boiling point and pathetic volumetric density is such a pain to transport, and especially to store. And off course, an abundance of dirt cheap electricity would be needed to produce the hydrogen in the first place. I'd love to see it turn out that way, but it seems a little optimistic. Not impossible though.

[@horsebee1]

@@fnorgen But if you have an abundance of dirt cheap electricity to produce hydrogen why bother. Why not put that electricity directly into a battery and cut the middle man out all together. A fuel cell makes even less sense. You use electricity to make, compress and store the hydrogen which you then pass through a fuel cell to make electricity again which is used to charge a battery.

[@backacheache]

The current model they are targeting is the rental market where fuel comes as part of the deal, so instead of a diesel truck visiting site to refill, it's a hydrogen one. As to where to get the H2 from JCB owner son has a green hydrogen company

[@horsebee1]

@@backacheache You have missed the point completely and clearly you have never operated contract machinery in remote locations. Right now in the UK there are a total of two hydrogen outlets. That is it. There is no government support of any kind anywhere in Europe or the UK and without that it is going nowhere. On top of that we are still talking about an internal combustion engine with all of the same problems and service costs of any other engine. Like it or not for a contractor to change there has to be clear and long term savings to do so and with Hydrogen they are just not there. The model of leasing is nothing new in the plant and construction industry, it is how most contractors finance their major plant but to offer full service leasing is just not cost effective. For JCB or their subsidiary to provide on site hydrogen would require a capital investment that would make what they have spent to date look like small change and that is only servicing their UK equipment. What happens if one of their contract companies gets a major job in France. Im not saying that it cant be done, they do it with diesel but it has taken 100 years to get the diesel system to where it is now and electricity has a 150 year head start on Hydrogen in terms of distribution plus very much larger plant manufacturers than JCB are all ready in production with electric plant and have been for many years

[@MrToranaGuy]

@@horsebee1 Because you can truck a load of Hydrogen to a site that is far away from the nearest power lines. A lot simpler and years quicker than building the power infrastructure to deliver the power there. A lot of sites this machinery would be working at, already get their diesel trucked in and stored onsite in large onsite fuel stations. Or they get a refueling truck to come in and refuel onsite, so It's not that hard to bring in a Hydrogen refueling system to replace the brough in diesel refueling system. It all comes down to how much the Hydrogen fuel is going to cost. That cost will decrease with time, exactly as the cost of petrol and diesel decreased as production and supply become more common. Then throw into the equation of governments changing emissions regulations that will make it harder to run the old diesel equipment, and the change will happen.

[@dralord1307]

15% more expensive "no big deal". Uhm. When you are talking about machines that can reach millions of dollars. Yes that is a big deal. When your talking about needing to invest in the special fule trucks and infrastructure needed for Hydrogen fueling it adds a lot more cost. This would not be viable for the vast majority of farmers or smaller construction companies. It is interesting but there really does not seem to be a viable market slot for it.

[@thecuriouslobster]

Hi Dralor. Let me clarify. It's only the engines that are about 15% more, not the whole machine. Also these machines are medium sized and don't cost millions anyway. A brand new JCB Diesel Max 448 costs around £8,000 so it's safe to assume their new hydrogen engine will be around £10,000. As mentioned in the video, they are able to reuse half of their old Diesel Max engine which is why it only costs 15% more to make. As for the refuelling, there are 2 options as i understand it. You can either have a delivery truck come and fill up your machines when you need it or you can invest in a storage tank so less deliveries are needed. This is no different to what farmers already have to do with regular diesel fuel trucks. JCB strongly believe it's the future and are switching all of their fleet to this engine type. A bold statement from the 3rd largest company of it's class in the world. Hope that clears things up. Thanks for watching. Have a great day.

[@dralord1307]

@@thecuriouslobster In a small country like England a delivery service for Hydrogen will work fine. I know that JCB is actually quite popular in the USA. That would make a single delivery service and distribution center impossible. IIRC Liquid Hydrogen is a lot more difficult to store than diesel. Most farmers in the USA at least have very simple fuel storage setups.

[@gbcb8853]

JCB supported Brexit. A precedent?

[@backacheache]

​@@gbcb8853I don't like Brexit, but JCB is run by an old white guy, a lot of old white guys (including dads, uncles, friends, colleagues) voted for Brexit so we can't hold it against him

[@razachaswills5076]

@@backacheache Sadly the youngsters who know nothing of the wars, and the freedoms GB fought to save and give Europe its freedom again. We the older generation remember this awful years and insist we can trade with whole world. The EU control prevents us doing it even now, so we are still sliding down hill. We need to achieve total independence from EU rules, they don’t assist us they prevent us doing what we’ve always done, trading and helping the whole world. Stop being so blinkered the EU is a new dictatorship, not a freedom loving organisation at all.

[@Swaggerlot]

Great, a company that has produced machines that have spoilt the environment for years.

[@s13hgp]

Are you a retard?

[@feydespiel.]

Idiot.they have literally moved the earth to build the future

[@teletesselator]

What do I think? Mmm, not the best! We had an engine designed in the 70's that ran on water. It split H2O in the HHO at the sparkplug. So just some water and some salts, and away you go. Toyota Motors bought the patent but did nothing with it. That design was reimagined in the early 2000's once again. That designer was murdered but the murderer wasn't caught so we don't know why or if it was related to the engine design or not. As I remember it he was found choked out on his kitchen floor when the neighbors smelled something terrible. Anyway, I would MUCH rather that design than manufacturing the hydrogen offsite somewhere and carrying it around in a refueling vehicle. I think it's also better than electrical vehicles if you're worried about "the carbon footprint" from plant to customer.

[@elliotkane4443]

That actually sounds really cool, I want to see some actual stats though. Everything has pros and cons. I'm sure they will have their fair share of unexpected maintenance issues, but this does actually sound like a viable technology unlike battery-electric magic fairy dust.

[@korpolentais87]

Still diesel infrastructure in large work sites is better!

[@DivXDemonRik]

You need to redo these early vids with a human voice so that people know that it is not AI created. AI is ruining KZbin and will be purged eventually as they add nothing to the subjects that they talk about because all the information and all the footage is basically stolen from original producers and commented over with incomplete or just misleading information. I'm not saying that is what you have done, but things are getting out of hand on youtube with AI created stuff.

[@pwensor]

"Durbyshyer" was particularly grating to hear for a Brit.