JEFFERY DAHMER Made Us Argue!! || HC Pod (Full Ep)

[@ccan_max5285]

How Poet gonna start the podcast with "man had to wine to get out" looool

[@TheElaine164]

😂

[@kream790]

He is the embodiment of that voice in my head 😂😂😂😂

[@kj5394]

Poet's wickeeeed

[@jhardworkpaysoff474]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 man had to dutty wine for his life

[@natv55]

Hey 🤣😂🤣😂😅

[@AB-ff1cq]

Essentially this boils down to Clinically insane vs Moments of insanity

[@sanchezrhys]

please can we get chuckies mum on to share some stories and also shed some light. would be amazing

[@Laura-sg6ss]

💅🏾💯

[@kittyperryman5469]

YES

[@FLYSTARTVLONDON]

That would be sick 👌🏾👑❤️💛💚 culture n reggae

[@the_re_up]

doesn’t work like that bud, she is a professional, not a vlogger. HCPC will be onto her and say she is breaching professional standards of conduct.

[@oliverlloyd4131]

you picked the maddest podcast to leave this comment on lmao

[@VagaboundVice]

Poet must be the most frustrating person to argue against. Chuckie is RIGHT ✅️

[@mrstrangeworld5977]

both r

[@msdeangelox]

@@mrstrangeworld5977 the fact that you wrote r instead of are makes me uncomfortable 🤨

[@thekid8224]

Its because he contradicts himself a lot

[@nayeemhussain3098]

Chuckie “Whats The Context” Online 😂😭 As grimm as the topic was, this was kinda hilarious to witness. Never seen chuckie and poet so animated loool

[@T2daB100]

It seems like Chucky is talking about someone being clinically insane. While poet explains if you’re capable of killing such a manner, you’re mad!

[@carlhunter5581]

You're right, Chuckie is talking about the actual definition of the word. Poet is changing the definition to match the slang way many people say it. Words have accepted definitions though and that is what Chuckie is getting at. Poet changing it is like a human with an XY chromosome saying they're female because they think the word female means something else in their world.

[@Reesa89]

Poet is so funny “the brother was a bubbly man who loved to cook” 😂😂😂😂😂

[@poland1230]

😂😂 I was on the floor with that.

[@joeybeardless]

Chuckie: “you’re lying!” Poet: “I’m sitting down” 29:02 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Tolutaiwoworship]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 my husband says this all the time 🙄🙄

[@Jy1Stylez]

Poet is such a wind up haha he knows exactly what he's doing lool love their chemistry

[@kanthony9154]

7:04 *There's a name for that* "Dem a ediat" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Itsthecreative]

To be fair that show's a madness. The morality of insanity v sociopath/pyschopath argument, as well as nature v nuture, will go on through the end of time. It's such a grey area.

[@gappy1987]

What's hilarious is that Poet is correct. The murderer in this context used to share a house with my cousin in Hither Green, and I even passed by the guy once going into my cousin's room. The feds raided the property while my cousin was in Malta, and though my cousin still has the room, what he saw in there spooked him to move back with his BM. Given I know more about the case (and the murderer's drug use and out of control fantasies), there's the context to know that the dude was truly insane.

[@asg7535]

Yh Chucky was being very square in this argument. For once 😂

[@myridionSG]

Cool conversation, Chuckie more focused on "cause" as motivation, Poet more focused on "effect" as the outcome. Imo both cause and effect have to be equally considered in judgement, perception is reality, so trying to understand an "insane" persons perspective is potentially an impossible task. There's no such thing as "no reason", only a reason you may not be able to comprehend.

[@starfox_wr-45e93]

Chucky fully went into his Johnnie Cochran bag when he caught Poet lying 🤣 Chuckie Cochran to raatid looool

[@sanchezrhys]

more episodes like this please. so insightful

[@siennaa6140]

Chuckie & Poet literally make me laugh out loud every damn time on the tube!! 😂❤

[@SP-vw9lw]

I wonder if chuckie would ask why when that NHS nurse took those babies lives recently. I hear his point about context, but in some cases, context does not matter.

[@ao9070]

Should have started with defining insanity. The issue he is that of personality disorder vs. psychosis. Psychosis is the conventional understanding of insanity, whereas personality disorders as a justification for insanity is very much a debated subject. Dahmer likely had a personality disorder, sociopathy/psychopathy disrupting his ability to follow rules/regulations and disregard consequences.

[@andredrayton5668]

This episode, seeing the subject, I patiently waited until I got home 😂 I knew it would be one of those back and forth. 👏🏾 well done.

[@Dwayne3007]

Love these kinda conversations

[@Flamboy0911]

This conversation was very good and is very deep would be good if you could bring in a psychiatrist or mental health specialist to see their view

[@heidibeckham4507]

Tracy, the guy you talk about to begin with (Only survivor) well....his testimony (which is on KZbin) is quite different to the drama version they put out. 1. He wasn't gay 2. He wasn't in a gay bar other stuff too, really feel for the guy. The lady (Glenda Cleveland) who kept reporting him to the police wasn't a neighbour she lived in an adjacent block. Its mad but they made it more mad

[@whatever-fj1zh]

turned out he was in gay bar and he is gay i don’t know why he lied about that part i guess because it’s 90’s and didn’t wanna come out

[@teedonx3443]

Chuckle held the W! that “exactly” said everything🤣

[@FLYSTARTVLONDON]

I’m with chuckie on this context is everything 👌🏾💯 mental health is real

[@briankazinduka2385]

What Bossman was describing is called temporary insanity in the U.S.

[@tynicakayla6123]

Loooooool as soon as I see this title I clicked straight away poet kills me every time ✊🏾 I really wish savage Dan was here though 🥺

[@thekid8224]

This is what I'm saying I'm tired of chuckie bringing poet on for these serious topics. Have him on for music topics but when it comes.to serious things like this dan all day even that guy craig has a good mindset. Poet is too immature to talk about these things

[@detailedonmic]

Chuckies face when he mash up the sound was hilarious 🤣

[@784ryfh4iubifyhieucdk]

POETS SO RIGHT , ALOT OF MAN ARE WALKING THESE STREETS WITH THE SERIAL KILLER LABEL WITHOUT THE NETFLIX SHOW.

[@thekid8224]

Poet is right......... this is the same guy that loves to talk about the community but let's be honest our young black boys are going around killing each other is that not mad but he ain't talking about that

[@TheSuperdagga1]

Poet is actually right on this 👏🏾 I concure . The Key 🔑 word is Morality

[@Ghost-hk6qk]

did callum leave the podcast? aint heard that guys voice for timeee

[@TulipaBigDipa]

Atp we will never know. This east Africa yout has replaced him.

[@Kkayy020]

Chuckie longin it for no reason 😅😂

[@Jae-u1z]

chuckie was bang on icl with the whole jeffrey dahmer situation if poet just listened he would agree 😂😂 but it was a good convo nevertheless

[@shainissa8237]

Chuckie is right technically but I hear poet. Context goes out the window when it’s something so extreme

[@JDUBZZwv]

Nah the way chuckie did the EXACTLY to bossman was to funny Chuckie had all the power lool

[@JEA868]

Crazy thing is, the guy that had to wine to get away instantly looked like chucks to me 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Ecstasio]

It's hard to define to be fair but in the case of Dahmer. Just my opinion: Certified Madman, clinically insane.

[@corinne143]

Chuckie : “kill a next man , kill this one then this one …” had me weak 😂

[@rayjay285]

They're arguing the difference between law and justice - though it's called the justice system, it applies the law. Chuckie is arguing on what the law says i.e people being insane or not in the laws eyes; Poet is arguing what justice is- what he thinks basically. Justice is what the legal system intends to achieve but it doesn't properly work cos justice is subjective (opinion based) and law is objective. Also there are considerations in law (in the UK definitely) for when someone is clinically sane (Chuckie's argument) but they go insane (Poet's argument) such as battered wife defence like when a battered wife over time builds up and then snaps one day cos they're sane but in that moment they lost control. Poet's also got to remember his opinion is, in theory, based on him being sane and not having ever lost control to commit murder etc so of course he can't see how someone sane could lose it like that

[@rowes7233]

man need to understand what chuckies saying.. The context of THIS situation is fuckery, BUT if the context was different e.g "the old ppl were pedos, the others were rapist and his girl fucked his brother" or "he was trying to escape and 5 people attacked him" seperately ppl might condone his actions. This situation werent that and thats fair, but you only find that out through context. It all just means that context matters..

[@suelovesindiancinema9839]

I don’t usually agree with poet but I do in this matter. Chuckie’s argument wasn’t it. Killing 4 people can not be a sane decision if it is not self defense which wasn’t the case ,so any other context doesn’t matter. Now am not saying he shouldn’t pay for this crime because of insanity, that’s a whole different thing to me.

[@mrstrangeworld5977]

I think context can still make it sane

[@suelovesindiancinema9839]

Ok, am opening to hearing a scenario where it would be a sane act, that is is you don’t mind…. Cuz the example chukie gave about what if they were pedophiles, my anwer to that is” that is why we have the law, file a complaint and sue them” I won’t say that deciding to kill them without a threat of losing your own life is a sane decision,,,, However I am not saying it would be wrong/right take revenge on molesters but that kind of revenge is driven by insanity in my opinion…. There might be a scenario where I can see your point but I can’t think of one right now

[@DavvoBars]

@@suelovesindiancinema9839 I think you have already answered that when you said "unless self defence". I think what your eluding to is the probability there will be an excusable context becomes less and less the more "horrific" the act. But that does not rub out context.

[@VagaboundVice]

Chuckie is just saying that context matters. Not that context means that everything is justifiable. For example, to me what poet was saying is that you could take a statement like "person kills 5 people" and no matter what, that person would be insane. What chuckie was saying is that you have to see the context of why this person killed 5 people, because like he said (extreme example), what if those 5 people were pedophiles and actively harming someone. That could then make it justifiable to kill those 5 people, to save the person being harmed. On the other side, it could be the context is that a person wanted to kill 5 people because they wanted to see how easy it was to kill someone. I think most would say that's not justifiable. At the end of the day, I think Chuckie was saying context is how we should judge stuff like this

[@kwamelacious]

POET IS FUNNY AS FUCK LMAOOOOOOOOOO BUT CHUCKIE IS SICK GUY.... YOU BOTH ARE AMAZING . POET CLASS SAVE!!! I WOULD WANT POET AND CHUCKIE TO BE MY LAWYERS HAHAHA .

[@kree8art395]

Context matters no matter what

[@AnimeSlaps]

Poet lied but he was right 😂

[@MillhouseSpeaks]

It’s like George and Lenny in mice and men

[@dontayz99]

Chuckle gotta chill with the “shall I do that” I’m dying 😂

[@jaytannis8784]

Chuckie you were wrong here man, you can’t just say you lied 😂😂😂😂😂

[@ninaibrianna8972]

Blacking out also does count as insanity however it would be defended as Diminished Responsibility or Autonamisation

[@nadz1978]

He had a sip, cos he asked what's the floating. Something along those lines. The thing about imagine dancing your way to freedom, finished me!!!

[@RemixPrinceisback2]

I might have to watch it now, sounds brazy man.

[@AlThurayya7]

So important for us to inform ourselves on mental health man. Especially in the bame community. The colloquial uses of certain terms is just a mess man. And there's too much ignorance when you could so easily look up shit and inform yourself at the click of a button.

[@bigmulli1357]

Did Chuckie walk out 🤣🤣🤣🤣 man went silent lol

[@tyanna3003]

Context is always relevant cause a girl killing 5 men cause they tried to taper her and a girl killing 5 men because hey said something rude to her are very different situations even with the outcome being the same. Context is not only relevant in the justice system but in real life let’s not act any different

[@matilda_shepherd]

Chucks thank you for the last 5 minutes, needed to be said.

[@ajmorgan3439]

Temporary insanity is what they are talking about

[@kwamelacious]

best example of this GUYS WATCH BASIC INSTICT 2- this explain exactly what you man are talking about- the different between insanity and a conscious decision to kill

[@mayena]

I remember this case vividly. Me and mother watched the Oprah interviews of Dahmer parents and some of the victim families.

[@rash9429]

Unfortunately i went school with the individual that killed them four ppl.. he was a alright kid was one of the top respected boys had nuff friends but when his head chip he lost his mind and would do serious damage. Definitely wasnt someone to mess with. Sad to see what’s become of him and sorry for that family.

[@ijechuks4300]

I think that’s why they have murder, manslaughter or pleading insanity. Which is why Chuckie is correct. Depending on the context in which someone was murdered it allows the prosecution to know which charge to go for and that they’ll most likely get. Obviously the act of harming multiple people is insane but is the person themself insane or is it a manslaughter charge?

[@kgamezhd9399]

Chucks talking context on serial killers poet is right on this one my guy. You asked what’s the context then they went to give you the context. Then you flipped it back lol

[@solumyt]

looking back this convo was mostly semantics

[@shiapeyton-king6671]

chuckie is right. according to the definition of the word. poet is changing the definition to suit how people use the word ‘insanity’, but insanity doesn’t mean crazy/mad

[@tynicakayla6123]

Bruh I swear on my life I’ve been laughing for the the longest and I’ve just watched 10 seconds 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@suzypayne-clark906]

Chuckie speaking truth as always! X

[@shainissa8237]

No one is right or wrong but Chuckles points right at the end literally prove what poet was saying

[@Aaron-xl1fd]

Great episode

[@rdenn_shapes]

That empty chair 😆 😅 😂

[@TulipaBigDipa]

Chuckie is spot on in this.

[@shakilwood3243]

I’d want to put my side of the story in this but I’ll just have Poet n Chuckie on my neck so I’ll just add 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@shakilwood3243]

34:43 Exactly 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@CB.Uptxwn]

The Title 😭

[@gillbrock6979]

At points I thought I was watching Jeremy Kyle 🤣 never heard them argue like that ….

[@l1_cfc736]

Don’t let “Rick Ross ting” go over ya head

[@mrstrangeworld5977]

?

[@trinibaduk9012]

@@mrstrangeworld5977 IOENO 😅

[@ucherrose3838]

Chuckie' s explaining psychosis/psychotic example the other is borne out if borderline psychological miswiring, which can be offset by a variant of reasons, e.g. slowly pent up stress, titration with narcotics, or simply a short fuse, which was never checked during the essential development period.

[@keyaneallman1028]

JUST REMEMBER THESE WERE SOMEONE'S CHILDREN/PARENT AND THE FAMILY HAVE TO RELIVE THIS

[@bahgx5298]

icl i fully agree with chuckie here, context always matters

[@msdeangelox]

0:22 I shouldn’t laugh but 😭

[@kanthony9154]

🤣🤣🤣

[@Itsthecreative]

It's the way Poet dropped it

[@kwamelacious]

chuckie is right you need context! both are right bro

[@trinibaduk9012]

27:30 Chucky moving the goalposts as always

[@richthept7031]

10 mins in and I just clocked it’s bossman birdie I see you but u cyan c me!!

[@deeksr-a-l2467]

Man needed that drake I need a one dance 😂

[@AFR1i]

Sick convo...no pun intended

[@LLINX]

lmaoo was a calm one.

[@kwamelacious]

what you are trying to say is , evil person vs insanity. conscious decsion to kill- is a evil person .....a person that doesnt know the different between reality and pretence ---who kills --- insanity

[@dontworry7979]

Quick question, was Caroline fleck insane then? Based off of the convo on this episode

[@aisha691]

This is where mens rea vs actus reus comes in. It’s the foundation of law

[@DannyWonder]

We need the Urban Financier back on

[@bahenkunzihumphrey2090]

love these guys..love from kampala

[@darray.]

Looool Poet hates to lose. He gets so childish when he’s losing (well, more childish than usual)

[@marcusgreen7829]

😂😂😂 “exactly bro”

[@nadz1978]

By the way, I am certain his dad and gran knew. They trying to tell us his Gran never knew that he was killing and chopping up man downstairs. I don't buy it!!!

[@kwamelacious]

CHUCKIE IS RIGHT BECAUSE TEHRE IS ALWAYS A WHY TO EVERYTHING

[@784ryfh4iubifyhieucdk]

WE ALL NEED SHOWS.

[@kwamelacious]

if this was in court - poet didnt lie because he had proof, loool he didnt lie , he made an correct assumption- chuckie , he just edged you on this.... little bugger! dope doe!

[@kwamelacious]

your both right - the chicken and the egg

[@shevronbarrett8270]

Big facts from chuckie at the end there 💯

[@TheElaine164]

I think I've seen the series 🧐 must watch again 🧐

[@kwamelacious]

are we insane because we are numb. there was a case with a women , that killed two of her kids because , there where raping their sibling. she was raped when she was young, so she decided to kill two of the kids that commited the taboo. her response was , " i brought them into this world , i can take them out" . is this insanity

[@rockysingh8760]

Chuckie lost himself for a minute 😅

[@TheElaine164]

👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼 nice show☺️

[@bathroomdiaries5393]

I get chuckle

[@keyaneallman1028]

ATLEAST EVERY DAY IN AMERICA THERE IS A MASS SHOOTING ITS MORE THAN JUST MENTAL HEALTH

[@1lazu]

Ad hominem, Chuckie. Your overall point is correct regarding what insanity is but the only thing matters is if Poet’s point can be proven correct regardless of whether he knew when stated it or when he checked 😂 Yes, I’m fun at parties.

[@GZMJr]

POET LIED. Chuckie caught the kid red handed.