Jehovah's Witnesses are right about 607 BCE?! A Governing Body member speaks

[@melanieoreilly2565]

I'm busy reading Crisis of Conscience. What an eye opener. I faded some 40 years ago, and yet they had such an emotional hold on me. They no longer do, I am most happy to report.

[@TruthHasSpoken]

Melanie, it's an excellent book. Ray showed not a little humility in his words. Watchtower has taken a Catholic, Trinitarian book, the bible, and has decapitated it from the very faith from which it came. One only has to open the New World Translation to the table of contents. Both the Old and New Testament canons were decided by Catholic Trinitarians. The New Testament by late 4th century Catholic Bishops (27 writings out of 300+ early Christian writings) and their OT by 16th c Catholic men in central Europe. Watchtower believes that they were all apostates, all weeds yet they tacitly trust their authority to have decided for them. It's very inconsistent.

[@dissidentfairy4264]

The 607 BCE-1914 doctrine is the #1 reason I woke up. It was the core teaching of the organization. I remember as a little girl being so impressed when my elder father created impressive charts to show me how all of the pieces fell into place like a completed jigsaw puzzle. I was convinced it was the truth. Once 607 was debunked my heart sank and suddenly other doctrines collapsed too. The only ray of hope I had for 607 was when the documentary Patterns Of Evidence came out. The documentary was rather compelling that there could be a 20-year discrepancy in historical dates, so automatically I thought Wow! If this is true JW doctrine on 607 could be right after all, but when considering the hordes of historical evidence, both astronomical, and a plethora of cuneiform tablets, then it was, How can this be? How can history be wrong? Then I deduced that they can't be wrong, a fact is a fact. I wanted 607 to be right. It was the glue that held the religion together!

[@adamlopez3561]

Jehovah's Witnesses are right about everything

[@dissidentfairy4264]

@@octive8 I don't have an axe to grind. Was I saddened by these realizations? Hurt by them? Feeling a bit lost? All the above would definitely apply, but I have no anger or animosity toward the organization. We are all victims of the indoctrination, even those at the very top.

[@yogi19581]

Just watched this video again, got so much more from it this time, excellent work, I need to pay more attention. Thank you for your work.

[@davidvivianaspinall3498]

Patrick -- Glad it was helpful! [Vivian here] David did another video on this subject "607 witnesses against The Watchtower" at this link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWmQnqOCbdiHrq8 We have the material available on pdf -- email us and we will send it to you -- [e-mail]

[@ismaelamadot3893]

Good morning David. Hi to Vivian and Max. Watching this video again. It is timeless. Thank you once again for the spiritual food provided. Stay healthy and continue in your efforts. Love in Christ. Amador, Kingdom Christian from sunny Puerto Rico.

[@justaroundthecorner2883]

I too was in awe of the Aid book and the article you refer to. The pivotal date of 1914CE may well be dismantled at some point. These days it is tricky attempting to work out just what the witnesses believe. Some cherished notions have already been discarded; perhaps in readiness for a more significant change.

[@davidvivianaspinall3498]

Yes, it is likely that the 'Tower will have to make "a more significant change". What we fear is that they can drag out this overlapping generation notion till all our family & friends are gone to the grave or too old to move. Let us keep praying and working to the end of freeing as many as possible before the 'Tower tumbles.

[@dantoinettetaylor1663]

Thank you for your videos. I can't get enough

[@davidvivianaspinall3498]

Thank you, Taylor Made. You are spurring us on.

[@MegaMick56]

Amen.

[@Royal-Jaywick]

Yes I love you clips and it is helping many ..

[@kiwihans100]

Ramond Franz took 5 years researchiing the 'aid to bible understanding', with a team of dedicated students. What is said above is correct but shouldnt put us off reading this amazing bible aid if you can get one. It cant also be denied that the JWs have published & distributed the KJ & the Authorised edition & many bible aids in the millions in over 100 languages over the years.

[@berthaimona6909]

I must admit I have not yet reconciled the 1914 teaching with Gods word. Its all good Jehovah will set matters straight soon enough. I'm also convinced that Jesus second coming is future, not too far away but.There appears to be a few discrepancies with the W/T's teachings. No worries Jehovah's witnesses still have the Truth, it's just that many of the brothers and sisters don't have a clue that the W?T has gone adrift, which is good, because if they knew many of them would be stumbled, just as many hundreds already have been, when certain expectations were not realized.

[@tiffanywright6653]

Amen they do have the Truth

[@carbon273]

Bruh. You sound like you’re stuck between a rock and a hard place.

[@fitcwebb]

The "truth" in terms of what? That everyone must follow the interpretations of a small group of men in New York, in order to gain favor with God?

[@teetee-tn4zm]

What a cultic mindset, “we have the truth” but yet they still couldn’t get their dates straight about the end of times claiming they were appointed by Christ to lead the flock but blatantly lied to them several times. I don’t think Christ would be involved in telling the society lies.. and the fact that they did lie remains the truth and a fact no one can refute that.😂

[@nomadicrecovery1586]

@@teetee-tn4zm Literally said " We dont have things right, and, we have the truth" in the same sentence. lol Its bizarre

[@rollmops3113]

Thanks for this video, I really need something like this at the moment. My parents are JW's and they finally want to hear me plead my case as to why I don't want to keep studying (long story!). So, they said to start with one point. So I chose the whole 607bce thing, basically your video. I really need to arm myself, because I see this as a chance for them to re-evaluate their beliefs, if i get this right! So thankyou, this will help so much. 😊

[@davidvivianaspinall3498]

Hello Pop Tea, We are glad to be of assistance in this very sensitive situation. If it might be of more help, please contact us via email, so that we might discuss the implications of your subject choice. And the advantages/disadvantages of using specific points, identifying resources and sources etc. Our email is [e-mail]

[@ianpuddick]

Jeffrey Brunet my exact question as well, how did it go ?? Trying (& wanting) to get someone to challenge their own beliefs is extremely hard, generally the more questions you raise...the harder they will try to cling to their beliefs ....especially if they have been conditioned to believe that questioning comes from Satan Fingers crossed 😊

[@randyg.7940]

WOW THAT WAS 3 YEARS AGO!!! ARE YOU STILL THERE?????

[@rollmops3113]

Hi! Thanks for replies! 🙂 So within a couple of writing that comment, I couldn't stomach anymore of the study, and I just told them that I don't believe the Governing Body is the anointed 144000 or the "channel", and pretty much the minute I said that they (the two "sisters" studying with me got all offended and turned off their tablets lol, and got up...I was actually really emotional because I really did care about them (smallish town) and my interest in having a Bible study after 20 years of being a non-witness or a Christian. Since then I've been feasting on information, continuing to arm myself as much as possible about scripture as well as the JW doctrine.... I'm now born again in Christ and got baptised finally😁(not as a JW obviously lol! Just thought I'd better clarify that!) As for my parents, we have regular discussions but I'm learning to try to be milder and careful how I approach it. My mother is MUCH more receptive that my father, which is excellent. We really have great open discussions and she's really willing to let me present my case! As a result she has some questions now herself that she's going to ask the elders! That's a real blessing! 🥰 My dad is a little more stuck, though we can have conversations, he can get a bit touchy and stubborn, and so I'm going to keep praying for him. I'm really starting to see that it's a real spiritual blindness. There's a spirit at work, so yeah lots of prayer needed! 🙂 Anything is possible with God, right? 🙂

[@rollmops3113]

@@davidvivianaspinall3498 thankyou!!! God bless you both! 🥰

[@danilomadarang3156]

Yes Jehovah is Love and Jesus Christ is the Son of God the Chosen one.

[@charliesmith3777]

Keep in mind that the NB Period was REDUCED! Note the rule of Zedekiah. Jehoiachin was deported on the last day of the year 8th of Nebuchadnezzar II.. That means Zedekiah was appointed on the 1st day of year 9 of Nebuchadnezzar II -- an 8-year difference. So year 11 would match year 19, the year Jerusalem fell. The exile would match this comparison. So in year 37 of the exile when Jehoiachin was released would match year 45 of Nebuchadnezzar. Note that the palace documents of the Babylonian Chronicle and Cyrus Cylinder and Nabonidus Chronicle were all "copies"/revisions from the Persian Period. So part of the expansion of the Persian Period involved destroying Babylonian records, removing some 26 years of records. So the Babylonian texts that survive do not directly contradict the Bible's chronology, that is, that there must be 70 years of exile from year 23 to the 1st of Cyrus. The NB records are 26 years too short. Here's the laydown: 2 years reduced from Nebuchadnezzar II (43 vs 45 years) 16 years for Evil-Merodach (2 years vs 18 years) 2 years for Nabonidus (17 vs 19 years) 6 years for Darius the Mede (zero vs 6 years) TOTAL RESTORED: 26 years 1 Chronicles 36:21 clearly says there were to be seventy years to pay back the sabbaths. So there is a DIRECT CONFLICT between the Bible and the revised Babylonian/Persian records. This has now been corrected by the VAT4956 which has two references from 511 BCE, the original year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar II. Thanks for your posts!!

[@richardschiller7803]

1983 is when i found the proof of 607bc. And elders declared that PROOF is not truth unless a person from WatchTower. Thus they worship a watchtower of Jerusalem instead of the temple of Jerusalem. The problem with the world is they each say OUR bodies is the temple and they see that as if each person's sole body is a sole temple to worship God with, when scripture is always clear that each body is just one stone of the whole temple. Starts as 144,000 and grows to be everyone. People are demonic though and all think they are the next stone the bricklayer is using; me not you! This is why scripture says ALL are seen perfect the final year (not gradually here and there to the end of 1000. The idea of you are not perfect until i am.

[@johnricardo9917]

What year did the exile end? History says it was 539\538 but there is a problem the where exile for 70 years.

[@TheExtremeBiblicist]

ACTUALLY.... Per the VAT4956 astronomical text, year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar II falls in either 568 BCE OR 511 BCE. Lines 3 and 14 have a reference for the lunar position that does not match 568 BCE. But when compared, they belong to the same lunar cycle in 511 BCE. One presumption is that the "diary" was created to hide in plain sight the true date for year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar II. If we date year 37 to 511 BCE, then year 23, the year of the last deportation, would fall in 525 BCE. 70 years later would date the 1st of Cyrus to 455 BCE! This is significant because of radiocarbon-14 dating for Shishak, which is dated to 871 BCE, year 39 of Solomon/year 5 of Rehoboam. This means 906 BCE dates year 4 and the Exodus is dated to 1386 BCE. The Exodus occurs 931 years (19 jubilees) prior to the return from Babylon. Both events occur on a jubilee year. But 1386 - 931 = 455 BCE!! Therefore, we can use radiocarbon-14 dating from Rehov to date the Exodus to 1386 BCE, and in turn determine the date of the return from Babylon to 455 BCE. We add 70 years back to 525 BCE, year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar II, year 23, which in turn dates year 37 to 511 BCE, the date we find in the VAT4956. Thus we learn that the Persians revised their timeline and added some 82 fake years to their timeline. The true date for the 1st of Cyrus is 455 BCE!! When the Persians revised their timeline, they added 30 years to the 6-year rule of Darius I. To help compensate for that, they removed 26 years from the Neo-Babylonian kings: 2 years from Nebuchadnezzar II (45 vs 43) 16 years from Evil-Merodach (18 vs 2) 1 years from Nabonidus (19 vs 17 years) 6 years for Darius the Mede (6 vs zero years) TOTAL YEARS: 26 REMOVAL OF 82 FAKE PERSIAN YEARS: 30 years from Darius I (6 vs 36) 20 years from Artaxerxes II (17 vs 47) 21 years from Xerxes, who is also Artaxerxes I (-21 years).1 year co-rulership with Cyrus, Cambyses (7 vs 8) TOTAL REMOVED: 82 years SOLUTION: Remove 82 years from the Persian Period, re-date the 1st of Cyrus to 455 BCE, add 70 years back to year 23 of Nebuchandezzar II, the year of the last deportation (Jer. 52:30). Note that the Jews who ran down to Egypt would return to Judea (Jer. 44:14,28). So the 70 years did not begin until year 23. So 607 BCE is wrong because the last deportation was in year 23, not year 18 or year 19. If you use 537 BCE, then 607 BCE should date year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar II. If you use 455 BCE, then you date year 23 to 525 BCE. That matches the cryptic reference in the VAT4956 to 511 BCE for year 37, and it matches the radiocarbon-14 of Rehov in 871 BCE, year 39 of Solomon. That's the solution. A chart showing 871 BCE for the year for the fall of Rehov is included in the video below. Of course, what is WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE is that modern archaeologists are lying about the timeline. They don't want to change it. So begin your search with Ezra 6;14,15 which clearly shows that Darius I died in his 6th year! Darius I began building at Pesepolis in his 4th year, but only finished his temple, a 2-year project. So Darius I died in his 6th year. Period. The revised timeline says he ruled for 36 years, which is a lie. That's why you are having problems with the 70 years! So again, 607 BCE reflects 70 years from the return in 537 BCE back to 607 BCE. But the Neo-Babylonian timeline was revised and so 537 BCE is 82 years too early. So 607 BCE is wrong because 537 BCE is wrong, and 607 BCE is wrong because the 70-year exile did not begin when Jerusalem fell, but at the time of the last deportation! When we correct the timeline, using radiocarbon-14 dating or the VAT4956's 511 BCE references to year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar II, then year 23 falls in 525 BCE and 7 years later falls in 455 BCE, the 1st of Cyrus. The Exodus occurs 19 jubilees earlier in 1386 BCE, meaning year 4 of Solomon falls in 906 BCE, and year 39 in 871 BCE, the year radiocarbon-14 dates Shishak's invasion! Archaeologists are lying or continue to be deceived by the revisions!! The Bible is true though! You are right! The 70 years do not work out with 586 BCE!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqHOfGmOpNaFh9E

[@pictlandpickers1171]

And what proof do you have for your claims? And when are you saying Babylon was captured.

[@IamNemoN01]

So the correct date is 20 years after 607, or 20 years before 607? (Leading either to 1934 or 1894 respectively) And is the new resulting year “the end of the Gentile times”; or is that entire argument flawed - and if so, why? (Not that it matters for calculating the time of the tribulation or Armageddon, which man is not permitted to know. But I still want to know if the end of the gentile times has any bearing on the calculation of “the last days”, which Jesus did say we would be able to identify by the signs he prophesied.)

[@davidvivianaspinall3498]

Perhaps watch next the video "607 witnesses against the Watchtower", where it is plain the consensus for Jerusalem's fall is 587/586 BCE. So the chronology won't work for the 'Tower view of "last days of this system of things". But even bigger is the problem that neither Daniel nor God Himself gives us permission to find an antitype second fulfilment in the dream of the tree, Daniel 4. So such a calculation is adding to Scripture. Christ gives no clue, in Luke 21:24 (the ONLY reference to the "times of the Gentiles") as to when those times will end -- other than it has to do with the trampling of Jerusalem and the exile of Israel. See the Daniel video, studio.kzbin.infoKAjXmSjDSZk/edit?Fmy_videos also studio.kzbin.infoEh6lq4zrB0A/edit?Fmy_videos

[@IamNemoN01]

David & Vivian Aspinall Wt So what is your take on this? kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKjHdamvqJetbM0

[@motomark9736]

@Kevin Johnson amen Jesus is who we must be saved by call on him

[@JerryJones1914]

Kevin Johnson Something wrong with your comment there is no Jehovah in the Bible. Neither Hebrew or Greek because there is no J in there alphabet.

[@richardschiller7803]

Syncellus is correct, Nabonidus had to have ruled 34 years and in his 17th year gave Babylon to his son for 17 years. This 17 years confuses 556-539bc with 537-520bc due to Darius 2nd year 538bc and Darius 2nd year 520bc. This evidence indicates Nabonidus ruled 17 years from 572-556bc. The eclipse of 553bc becomes the eclipse of 570bc. First the 70 years as 587bc falls short of a temple 516bc (Nisan 515bc).And so it needs to be noted Eusebius has destruction in 590bc, Ussher in 588bc, until 587 then 586bc. Josephus gives David or Jerusalem 470 years (Division in 997bc and Solomon 80 years fo a 1073bc temple) with kingship in 1117/1116bc and Jerusalem 1110bc plus 470 to 576bc or 570bc. Is statement indicates 570bc (1800 of real Flood which is the source of year 600 measuring 1200-year cycle, and also calendar on year 340 measuring 1460-year cycle to 570bc) with Jerusalem destruction in 640bc. However, his Persian rule starts Cyrus at the release (570bc) which requires 576bc to fit (470 from David 1116-576bc) 30 of Cyrus (576-546), 6 of Cambyses (546-540bc), Gaumata 539bc), 36 of Darius 539-503bc, 29 of Xerxes (503-474), 51 of Artaxerxes 474-423bc, and 93 to Alexander 330bc. Thus proving he has a confusion whether release is 576 or 570bc from destruction 646bc or 640bc destruction. This proves that although a50-year desolation is predominant in the world, so is extended Genesis predominant by 600 or 720 years. Majority does not make truth.

[@danilomadarang3156]

We are Jehovah witnesses from all over World and Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Chosen One.

[@danilomadarang3156]

We are Jehovah witnesses from all over the. world

[@davidsmith5946]

I WISH I HAD SOMEBODY TO TELL ME THE TRUTH ABOUT THE BIBLE??

[@Workharder1776]

Best to forget everything this cult has put into our heads. Believe in Jesus’ words only.

[@teamumayummy7535]

but jesus believed his father hehehe so jesus says the father is greater than i Am

[@nashashbel6922]

There have been a time when nothing had supported the existence of Sargon,Ponce Pilate,...

[@UKS12345]

Jerusalem was sieged in 607 but not destroyed till little later. It was a long siege so Jews weren’t taken into captivity till later

[@johnrideout7124]

You may depend on the 607 date as being correct, as the 3 and half year periods mentioned both in Daniel 7v24 and Rev. 11v9, only coincide in the 1914-1919 time period.! This was the time that the return of the true worship of Jehovah was to be restored, but the organizers were imprisoned for that time period, unlawfully. But resumed after being freed. !

[@davidvivianaspinall3498]

Did you watch the video, John? EVERYBODY knows the Watchtower is naked -- everybody except loyal JWs. NOBODY out there, including all the experts on Jeremiah, Daniel and ancient chronology, agree that the date is either 586 or 587. Don't be deceived by your leaders, who know NOTHING of ancient history, and are amateurs in their Bible knowledge.

[@johnrideout7124]

@@davidvivianaspinall3498 Hi David, Check out a Bible scholar James Bigham 550. He has stated that the J.W's are correct with 607 BCE. And quotes a cart-load of names and scriptures to back it up. ! As for myself, the Bible is never wrong and I have requested that all the critics tell us where else other than the 1914 to 1919 does the 3 and a half year periods in Daniel and Revelation refer to, other than the organizers of those attempting to re-establish the true worship of Jehovah, being restricted for that amount of time. ? In over 2 years there has not been a single reply, so I will stick with 1914 as the correct year. !

[@TruthHasSpoken]

*JEHOVAH GOD COMMANDS ALL TO WORSHIP CHRIST JESUS* The Governing Body consists of 8 admittedly _fallible_ men (can and do error) who also admit that they are not _inspired._ So when the Watchtower taught for nearly 70+ years that Jesus Christ should be _worshiped_ and the current 8 men say differently, why should one believe them? Especially when Jehovah God commanded that Jesus be worshiped: *"Jehovah God commands all to worship Christ Jesus because Christ Jesus is the express image of his Father, Jehovah, and because he is the Executive Officer of Jehovah always carrying out Jehovah's purpose (Heb.:3-6)." (WT 1939 Nov 15 p.339)* If Jehovah God *commands* that Jesus Christ be worshiped, the current 8 men have no authority to change Jehovah's command. This has nothing to do with _increasing light_ (which has to with the righteous, nothing to do with truth increasing in clarity to 8 men). And too, scripture teaches that God alone is due worship, never a creature. Since those GB men can and do error, they can also error on this: Jesus is created. Rather, the truth: Jesus is God incarnate, which is WHY he is due worship.

[@davidvivianaspinall3498]

Thank you -- you have made your case well. The Watchtower can't even agree with itself -- on something as fundamental as WHO we can worship.

[@tiffanywright6653]

(Plasms 83:18) Jehovah is the Most High. (King james Bible) (luke 1:32) Calls Jesus the Son of the Most High. Jesus is Jehovah's Son (John 17:3) Eternal(Everlasting ) Life. Have to know them both.Amen

[@tiffanywright6653]

Jesus is Gods Son that's it Not (God Almighty the Creator) Let's take a Look at the Bible and see what it Says 1. Then why is God head of Christ just as Christ is Head of man? (1st coriethians 11:3) 2.) Then why does Scripture consistently phrase Jesus as a Separate person from God? (John 20:17); (John 14:1); (Mark 10:18); (John 17:1-3), Also in Heaven, (Luke 22:69) 3.) Then how can Jesus have a god? (Micah 5:4), (pslams 45:6, 7; 89:26, John 20:17; (Romans 15:6;2), (Coriethians 1:3, Eph. 1:3; (Col. 1:3) (Mark 15:34); (John 17:1-3) Also in heaven (Rev. 1:6; 3:3, 12) 4. Then why does Scripture say he was born and part of creation? (Colessians 1:15) 5. Then why does (Rev. 3:14) Say that Jesus was the beginning of the Creation by God? 6. Then why is he subject to god like we are subject to him? (1st Cor. 15:27,28); (Eph. 1:17) 7. Then why does (Micah 5:2) say that Jesus Origin was from Early times? 8. Then why does Jesus not know what God knows? (Matthew 24:36,) (Rev. 1:1); (Luke 8:45) 9. Then why is Jesus still subject to (GOD) when he is as high as he will ever be? (1st Cor. 15:27,28) 10. Then why does (Proverbs 8:22-31) show that the Messiah was created/Produced by God? 11. Then why is he not powerful enough to subject things to himself? (1st Cor. 15:27); (Eph. 1:17,22) 12. Then why would he have to be given any power & authority? (Matthew 28:18; 11:27; (John 5:22; 17:2; 3:35;) (2nd 1:17) 13. Then why did he have to learn anything? (Hebrews 5:8), (John 5:19; 8:28) 14. Then why is speaking against him not as bad as speaking against the Holy Spirit? (Matthew 12:31, 32;); (Luke 12:10) 15. Then why did Jesus Call the Father the Only True God? (John 17:3) 16. Then why did he need to be saved? (Hebrews 5:7); (John 12:27) 17. Then why did he have to be exalted to leader & savior? (Acts 5:31) 18. Then how can he be exalted and (Given) a higher name then he had? (Philippians 2:9-11); (Hebrews 1:2-4) 19. Then why did he have to be given Life in himself? (John 5:25, 26) 20. Then how could his Father be Greater then he and not equal trinity? (John 14:28) 21. Then how could Jesus be tempted by Satan in(Matthew 4:10) when God cannot be tempted by Evil (James 1:13) 22. Then why did Jesus (Worship) the Father (John 4:22) 23. Then why can he not do anything of his own? (John 5:19; 6:38) 24. Then why would Jesus pray to Anybody? (Luke 22:44; ) (John 17:1,2) 25. Then why do John 1:18 and 1st John 4:9 say that Jesus is God's only Begotten Son? 26. Then how can Jesus be God's servant? (Acts 4:26, 27,30) 27. Then how could he receive strength from an angel? (Luke 22:43) 28. Then how could he be the mediator between God & man? (1st Timothy 2:5) 29. Then how could he be with God (ton theon)? (John 1:1) 30. Then how could he be God's image? (Col. 1:15;) (Hebrews 1:3) Then why is he called the agency (dia) of creation and not the originator (ek)? (1cor. 8:6); (John 1:1-3); (Prov. 8:30) (Hebrews 2:10); (Col. 1:15, 16) 32. Then why did Jesus say God was good in a way that Jesus was not?(Mark 10:18) 33. Then why does Jesus have the voice of the Archangel and not the voice of God? (1st thess. 4:16) 34. Then why is the only worship given to him the same given to humans ? (Heb. 1:6) (Matt. 18:26;); (Rev. 3:9) 35. Then why do many who believe and rely on a few so called proof texts instead of the context of the consisent teachings of the entire Bible? 36.then how can Jesus be commanded to do anything? (John 12:49), (deutronemy 18:18) 37. Then why did Steven see 2 separate entities God & Jesus and not just one god or 3 person's? (Acts 7:55) 38. Then how could Jesus be seen at God's right hand?(Luke 22:69); (Acts 7;55); (Romans 8:34) 39. Then how could Jesus be exalted not to become God himself, but to the position of the right hand of God?(,Acts 2:33) 40. Then why would he have to receive a revelation from God?(rev. 1:1) 41. Then why is he called God's begotten Son before he came to Earth? (John 3:16); (Galations 4:4), (1st John 4:9) 42. Then how could he have a father (John 20:17) 43. Then how could he come in Flesh? (1st Kings 8:27); (Acts 17:24, 25) 44. Then why did Jesus not come in his own Name? (John 5:41-44) 45. Then why did Jesus come down from Heaven to do God's will and Not His Own? (Luke 22:42); (John 6:38) (John 5:30) (John 8:42) 46. Then how could Jesus appear before God when he went back to (Heaven)? (Hebrews 9:24) 47. Then how could Jesus die? Can God die? Can part of God die? (Romans 5:10); (Acts 5:30); (Habbuk 1:12); ,(1st time. 6:16); (Numbers 23:19) (1st Cor. 15:3); (Plsams 90:2); (Daniel 6:25-26) 48. Then why is it that God ressurrected Jesus? (Acts 2:32) (Acts 5:30) (Romans 10:9,10) 49. Then why can we see him if No Man has seen God at any time? (John 1:18) 50. Then why is there not one clear scripture where Jesus is called God the Son, (Equal to those declaring God the Father) 51. How is it that the Jews rounded up some false witnesses to make up lies to obtain a death sentence for Jesus, but niether the Jewish officials nor even one of those false witnesses made a claim that Jesus was God or Equally god? (Matthew 26:59-67) 52. John summed up his whole Gospel by saying that it was written that we may believe that Jesus is Christ, the son of God. Why is there no mention in that summary of the entire Gospel of what would be the Most important thing of all that Jesus is God? (John 20:31)

[@markweatherill]

They can, do, and have erred, and seem to make it a badge of honour. It just means that nothing written in Watchtower is trustworthy!

[@TruthHasSpoken]

@@tiffanywright6653 "Jesus is Gods Son " Yes Smoove. Watchtower does not understand Sonship, HOW Jesus is the Son of God : my son has the same nature as me, human, Jesus has the same nature as God, Divine.

[@jehovahschannel440]

NOT SO. The Egibi family records follow Nabonidus with the 538bc Darius of Medes not 522bc Persian Darius. Ruling 17 years (556-539bc) before 538bc Darius can look like 34years (556-522bc) because of having ruled 17 years before his son Belshazzar's 17 years. (573-539bc as 572-556bc and 556-539bc). Then you have mother Adadguppe who dies in 9th year of son Nabonidus at 104 which is 668-564bc, not 648-544bc. So no record is altered at all except for ONE. The 323bc GREEK COPYIST of the 568bc (5th year of Nabonidus as the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar's kingdom including the island of 604bc Tyre (10-year occupation of coastal Tyre 617-607bc and 3-year conquest of island Tyre in 604bc) logged in 568bc regarded the 588bcrecordto be merely a second copy and so discarded both the 588bc and 568bc tablets as OLD copies. We do this today (think two docs are the same and toss out the spare). Every year the moon is in April Nisan Aries or May Taurus bull. Nisan will overlap April & May, and it will overlap Aries and Bull. But in 2200bc the bull was100% Taurus so that April was always Bull, and this came to be Nisan. It splits by 600bcso they argue April moons as not the bull; and precessed 20 days then Nisan is claimed as those 20 before the Bull sun and Bull moon. Is it not odd that Nebuchanezzar only has 7 years from year 37 to 43 to be insane, and issue made of being a BULL. He was cast out by his son while in his sleep robes so as to be tagged a vagrant who got into the king's palace. Yet he would have to be restored in clothes to crown his son 7 years later. If he made internal war with his Magi priests insisting May be the Bull Nisan he may have been demented enough to show them by eating a hand of grass. The Talmud says he ruled 45 years having imprisoned his son for this casting him out. Thus Avil-Marduk (Awel /Euel/Evil) easily ruled 2 years AFTER 45 not of 45. This is how those 2 years and 1 year Labosordacus and 17 of Nabonidus add up to 20. And explains why records are confused whether Adadguppe died in year 6 or year 9,and books list 100 years calling it 104. NEXT 1914 does not rely on 607bc because to rebuild the city it is 7 weeks of Jubilees 537bc to 1914 (49 jubilees to 50th the global British license to be THE RULER by surviving Armageddon). AND although Russell-Rutherford taught year 6000 in 1874 and year 6040 in 1914, the Flood 2370bc is 360-day calendar to year 6000 of 1913 ending6000 inn 1914. That is 2 witnesses without 607bc.

[@thecommentor1064]

in the resurrection when you rise much much later AFTER the righteous then you will meet those who fled Jerusalem in 607bc. George Syncellus of 800AD wrote that Nabonidus ruled 34 years because Belshazzar is NOT another name for him as Josephus was told, but rather he gave the CITY Babylon to his son in his 17th year to rule 17 years. Also Nebuchadnezzar ruled 45 years according to Jews, (the only ones who say so), because his insanity was year 37 to 43 and he ruled 2 years while he put his son in prison for claiming he was away on campaign and that the real him was a mad vagrant getting into the palace. Nabonidus (and mother Adadgupi) ruled in 572bc his son Belshazzar gettng the city in 556bc; and The Egibi tablets refer to Darius Mede 538bc not Persian Darius 521bc; the 17 years 538-521bc are the Egibi business of 555-538bc. There is NEVER a mystery with Jehovah, the answer is there, everywhere, when watchtower is to lazy to seek it because they claim obedience is more important than seeking explained truth. It is the syndrome of Look wife-Eve obey me you dont need the tree explained to you because me Adam is God. Woman your 5 senses were a mistake God made.

[@billjones261]

The bible prophets sometimes never get it right and sometimes these prophesies were said after certain events. The final destruction of the temple in ancient Jerusalem occurred in Nebuchadnezzar's 19th rein of rule which is 586 BCE. Nebuchadnezzar didn't take to the throne of Babylon until 605 BCE after his father death which was also the year he made Israel and Jerusalem his controlled vassal to him and Babylon. He also placed a succession of kings within Jerusalem while under his control. This is also important to accept what happen in Jerusalem before the final invasion and destruction which occurred in 586 BCE.. Lies and ignorance can create power for men and the Watchtower Corporation and its top controlling men are inarguable evidence to that. They intentionally and purposely lied and lured in people into their lies and deceptions for their subsequent power and control, endeavoured through the distribution of the literature they wrote and published themselves.

[@ianpuddick]

Thanks David

[@TheExtremeBiblicist]

WHAT'S WRONG WITH 607 BCE: 1. JWs date 607 BCE to year 18 of Nebuchadnezzar II. Jerusalem fell in year 19. 2. JWs claim Gedeliah was killed in month 7 of the same year Jerusalem fell, causing the land to be desolated from that point on, beginning the 70-year exile. But Gedeliah was killed the year following the fall of Jerusalem. Gedeliah invited those scattered about to return to harvest summer fruits. An assassination plot developed against him which he ignored. Then he was killed in month 7. This was year 20th of Nebuchadnezzar. We know this because of Zechariah 1 and 7. Zechariah 1 establishes 70 years expired after the destruction of Jerusalem in year 2 of Darius the Mede. 70 years of mourning for Gedeliah in the 7th month expired in year 4 of Darius the Mede. Thus there is a 2-year gap between 70 years after the destruction of Jerusalem and 70 years after the mourning for Gedeliah. Thus Gedeliah died in year 20th and began to be fasted for the following year, year 21. Even so, the Jews were still in exile in year 4 of Darius the Mede. That's because the 70 year exile did not begin until the last deportation, year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar II (Jer. 52:30). 3. As noted above, the 70-year exile began with those last deported off the land, year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar II. That means Darius the Mede ruled for a full 6 years before Cyrus came to the throne! BOTTOM LINE... The Persians revised their timeline, adding 82 fake years to their timeline, pushing the 1st of Cyrus back from 455 BCE to 537 BCE. Not correcting this, JWs add 70 years back to the fall of Jerusalem to 607 BCE, which they date the fall of Jerusalem in year 18. In actuality, the 1st of Cyrus should be dated to 455 BCE and 70 years begin in 525 BCE, the last deportation. That is why the VAT4956 dates year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar II both to 568 BCE and 511 BCE. 511 BCE is the "hide in plain sight" original date for year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar II. This matches the radiocarbon-14 dating of year 871 BCE to the date of Shishak's invasion, year 39 of Solomon. That in turn dates year 4 to 906 BCE and the Exodus to 1386 BCE. The Exodus occurs exactly 19 jubilees prior to the return from Babylon, that is 931 years (19 x 49 = 931). 1386 - 931 = 455 BCE. So until you correct the timeline, you will not be able to solve the 70-year exile issue. Basically, the Persians added 82 fake years to their timeline and removed 26 years from the Neo-Babylonian kings. Archaeologists refuse to acknowledge this revision, probably because it was so well covered. But now the VAT4956 and RC14 dating from Rehov recover the true timeline. If you want to resolve the 70 years, you have to correct the Persian timeline, plain and simple. Even so, 607 BCE is blatantly incorrect on several other "relative chronology" accounts. The true date for the fall of Jerusalem is actually 529 BCE. This fact will eventually catch on once people realize the Persians lied about the timeline and employed Greek historian, Xenophon, to add extra years to the Greek timeline. Later when astronomy was applied to the revised timeline, it was just too difficult to correct and remains uncorrected to this day. But we do have evidence not only of the revision but of the original timeline.

[@jordanjackson7079]

So if the Watchtower use 529 BCE what year would be Christ's coronation?

[@JerryJones1914]

TheExtremeBiblicist Also with your comment king Nebuchadnezzar father died in 605 BC.

[@TheExtremeBiblicist]

@@JerryJones1914 Not sure what you mean. Per my understanding, the Persians added 82 fake years to the timeline, pushing back the return in 455 BCE back to 537 BCE. People knew about this change but refused to correct and now apparently are afraid to correct it. The precise timeline requires re-dating every event. The 1st of Nebuchadnezzar II occurs in 547BCE, his accession year is 548 BCE, thus the death of his father should be dated to 548 BCE. Keeping in mind, however, that the Babylonian chronicle was revised. Two obvious revisions is trying to combine what happened during the accession year with the 1st year of Nebuchadnezzar and thus lowering all the events in the timeline by 1 year. The goal was to remove as many years as possible from the Neo-Babylonian kings. 30 extra years were added to the reign of Darius I, but only 26 years were effectively removed from the Neo-Babylonian kings. Thus while the Bible dates the rule of Zedekiah beginning in year 9 of Nebuchadnezzar II, the Babylonian chronicle claims he began to rule in year 8. Jerusalem fell in year 11 of Zedekiah which was year 19 of Nebuchadnezzar II. That is an 8-year difference. So year 1 of Zedekiah matches year 9 of Nebuchadnezzar II. That is consistent with Jehoiachin beginning his exile in year 9 as well. Jehoiachin was deported on the very last day of year 8, thus began his exile on the 1st day of year 9. But the Babylonian chronicle claims he went into exile on the last day of year 7. But no problem, because the chronicle itself claims it was "copied" in year 22 of Darius. So we know it is a phony document. That's just a critical comparison.

[@JerryJones1914]

TheExtremeBiblic No you are wrong the true date of King Nebuchadnezzar father died in 605 BC. Did you even look up NEO Babylonian timeline did you. Stop using Watchtower fake history. The Jews on their website. Jewish virtual library.... teachers Jerusalem was destroyed in 587 BC they should know their own history more.

[@JerryJones1914]

TheExtremeBiblicist King Nebuchadnezzar became king after his father’s death 605 BC. Watchtower teach lies to protect their false date of 1914.

[@marmieRH]

Why do they stick with that date?

[@davidvivianaspinall3498]

Hello Marmie -- Thanks for watching. Check out our website onewonders.org and in our "pdf archive" you can read or copy these two pdfs: "607 witnesses against the Watchtower" which has David's research on this date which is foundational to the Watchtower's structure of authority. Also the pdf "Jehovah's Witnesses -- the structure of authority"

[@davidsmith5946]

ARE THE WATCHES BRAND NEW OR SECOND HAND?

[@l.cattani5035]

inizio 70 anni Ho letto i post su questo argomento. Non preoccupatevi, il caos è scontato! Eppure, leggendo bene la bibbia, la risposta sarebbe semplicissima. Ve la dico? Ma sì, ormai è tempo che finiscano le tante strane storie su questo argomento. La bibbia parla in diverse occasioni di periodi di 70 anni. Tali periodi sono però sempre lo stesso unico periodo, ma dai profeti espressi, per volontà di Geova, sotto diveri aspetti; riguardanti il popolo d'israele, le nazioni, i re di Babilonia, i sabati evvia dicendo. Tergiversare confusionariamente su tali periodi è certamente fuorviante e gli oppositori gongolano proprio proponendoli al fine di creare dubbi e confusioni sulla data: 607bc o 587bc? La risposta la da la Bibbia, ed è semplicissima! A parte il risultato della mia comnplessa ricerca di carattere storico, astronomico e archeologico, la prima e l'ultima parola spetta sempre e solo alla bibbia. provate a ragionare su queste semplici informazioni. (Daniele 9:1-2) 9 Nel primo anno di Dario figlio di Assuero del seme dei medi, che era stato fatto re sul regno dei caldei, 2 nel primo anno del suo regno io stesso, Daniele, compresi dai libri il numero degli anni riguardo ai quali la parola di Geova era stata rivolta a Geremia il profeta, per compiere le devastazioni di Gerusalemme, [cioè] settant’anni. questo chiarisce che il periodo stabilito da Geova era di 70 (Settanta) anni. Daniele dice: "Per compiere le devastazioni di Gerusalemme". Pertanto la fine di quei 70 anni CONCLUDEVA ogni possibile devastazione che Gerusalemme doveva subire a causa del popolo disubbidiente a Dio. Quando cominciò però tale periodo di 70 anni? Perché è proprio su questo inizio che giocano gli oppositori. Iniziò quando Daniele stesso fu portato prigioniero in Babilonia nel 617bc? O quando Nabucodonosor asservì Ioiachim dopo la vittoria di Charchemis? La risposta è semplice, perché a darla è la bibbia stessa! (Geremia 1:1-3) 1 Le parole di Geremia figlio di Ilchia, uno dei sacerdoti che erano ad Anatot nel paese di Beniamino, 2 a cui la parola di Geova fu rivolta ai giorni di Giosia figlio di Amon, re di Giuda, nel tredicesimo anno del suo regno. 3 E continuò a essere rivolta ai giorni di Ioiachim figlio di Giosia, re di Giuda, fino al termine dell’undicesimo anno di Sedechia figlio di Giosia, re di Giuda, finché Gerusalemme andò in esilio nel quinto mese. Ogni possibile congettura salta con questa affermazione di Geremia: "finché Gerusalemme andò in esilio nel quinto mese." "Gerusalemme" (la sede del tempio di Dio e della rappresentanza teocaratica di Geova sugli Israeliti), Andò in "Esilio" il 5° mese (fu distrutta e quindi fu posta in esilio la pura adorazione che ancora poteva essere fatta a Geova in tale città). Fu posto fine al "sacrificio continuo" che vi si celebrava regolarmente. La rappresentanza del regno di Dio fu in quel giorno interrotta (Iniziarono i 7 tempi dei gentili). Daniele "comprese" che QUESTI (Geremia 1:3) erano il numero degli anni (70) che si dovevano contare per Gerusalemme. Ovvero, comprese che non erano da contare, tali 70 anni, da quando lui stesso, Daniele, fu fatto prigioniero assime al re Ioiachin. Cosa che Daniele poteva aver pensato prima secondo queste parole: (Geremia 29:4-10) 4 “Questo è ciò che ha detto Geova degli eserciti, l’Iddio d’Israele, a tutti gli esiliati, che ho fatto andare in esilio da Gerusalemme a Babilonia: 5 ‘Edificate case e abitate[le], e piantate giardini e mangiatene il frutto. 6 Prendete mogli e generate figli e figlie; e prendete mogli per i vostri propri figli e date le vostre proprie figlie a marito, affinché partoriscano figli e figlie; e lì moltiplicatevi, e non divenite pochi. 7 Cercate anche la pace della città alla quale vi ho fatto andare in esilio, e pregate Geova in suo favore, poiché nella sua pace ci sarà pace per voi stessi. 8 Poiché Geova degli eserciti, l’Iddio d’Israele, ha detto questo: “Non v’ingannino i vostri profeti che sono fra voi e i vostri praticanti di divinazione, e non ascoltate i loro sogni che essi sognano. 9 Poiché ‘vi profetizzano in nome mio nella falsità. Io non li ho mandati’, è l’espressione di Geova”’”. 10 “Poiché Geova ha detto questo: ‘Secondo il compimento di settant’anni a Babilonia vi rivolgerò la mia attenzione, e certamente realizzerò verso di voi la mia buona parola riconducendovi in questo luogo’. Daniele comprese che i 70 anni, non si riferivano alla loro prigionia, ma alla desolazione che doveva subire Gerusalemme dalla distruzione del suo tempio e della città. Era la sovranità di Geova che fu lesa quando Nabucodonosor diede l'ordine di distruggere la città e il stempio. E' da questo atto specifico che pertanto iniziano i 70 anni che appunto dal 607bc vanno al 537bc. Riguardo al popolo, che subiva la punizione giudiziaria di Geova per la sua ribellione, i settanta anni si contano ugualmente, anche se partono dalla deportazione degli ultimi prigionieri in Egitto e finiscono al ritorno dei liberati israeliti a Gerusalemme. l'ecamotage usata dagli oppositori, sta proprio nel fatto di far perdere di vista che GEOVA era la maestà lesa alla quale pure i re di Babilonia (che successero a Nabucodonosor) avrebbero dovuto poi rendere conto. Il popolo israelita, solo subì, durante tali 70 anni, la conseguenza del proprio errore essendosi ribellato alla sovranità di Geova al quale avevano fatto voto di fedeltà. Le prove archeologiche, astronomiche e storiche che io ho poi trovato, semplicemente confermano i tempi e i fatti proprio cme furono descritti dalla Bibbia. Tutto qui, semplice semplice..

[@cdashian777]

I've always been fascinated with the chronology behind 1914 . . A few years back I did a wikipedia search on Jerusalem to see if there was any info on when the Babylonians destroyed it. I found this: "In 597 BCE, the city was overcome by the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar, and in 587 BCE, the city's walls were ruined and the Temple was burnt but many argue this point. Arguments for 587 BCE are scripturally flawed, causing four Bible prophecies to fail. The year 607 BCE really is the only date that works with the Bible." Interestingly, this is no longer stated on Jerusalem's wikipedia page.

[@Fingertipsable]

So we were baptised at the same assembly and checked out at about the same time. Now if I could only deprogram my wife and daughters

[@davidvivianaspinall3498]

Perhaps you could contact us at [e-mail]. We would be sure to pray for your family. And also support you with any resources we have in our library here.

[@enigma1863]

I’m not watching this cause the audio is horrendous.🙉🙉🙉

[@davidvivianaspinall3498]

Sorry enigma -- not all our videos have sound problems -- but some of the earliest ones when we had not yet upgraded our equipment did. If you would like our research documentation on 607 -- a free pdf is available on our website onewonders.org. -- scroll to the bottom of the page and click on "pdf archive" -- the document is "607 witnesses against the Watchtower"

[@Tomas-cambs]

Have a read of 1 John 2:27

[@JehovahsElijah]

607bc is not required for 7 times to 1914. The Flood 2370bc continues in 360-day calendar to year 6000 as 1913-1914. Further there are 7 weeks of jubilees from every date of 537-443bc as events where Jehovah let's us know that he is with the 144,000 stone temple (if not the incompetent watchtower mother) by matching those dates for every dated event from 537bc to the 32nd year of Artaxerxes. Any prayer i ask for Jehovah in chronology is always immediately answered in a dream while i sleep for the past 30 years. I do not have the 70-year kings of Babylon, but Josephus uses 18 years and 22 years not to mention the 7-year insanity is presumed as included in his 43-year, and we have no indication whether Nabonidus ruled the same 17 as his son Belshazzar. We do have support for a 607bs destruction based on 427-year Jupiter Temple, and we have the other support of 1914 as year 6000 in 360-day, and also as 7 weeks to start the city from 537bc to 1914 as well as finish it with Malachi's Elijah 443bc to 2008 (all dates from 1914-2008 fulfilled including the deserting of the 144,000 temple from 1926-1928 then Darius says in 1931 that nations will be destroyed if they touch that temple by the God whose name is on it. How would Rutherford ever know that dropping open his Bible to any page and pointing to a verse would be a divine providence that jehovah wants his name on his temple in 1931. (Been there done this in my first year of being overwhelmed when i needed answers and found answers, and started doing the same thing, my mind open to seeing anything i pointed to.)

[@j.m6883]

What the hell kinda crazy pants rambling about dreams and made up dates did I just waste good time reading? LOL

[@jaguillermol]

Also, the masoretes cheated and removed 100 years from each of Shems descendants until Abrahams father, and 50 years from his grandfather, so there are 650 years too little

[@markweatherill]

You are the reincarnation of CT Russell!

[@dreamweaver6014]

He has a beard I highly doubt the governing body members would wear them, which makes no sense at all whatsoever

[@daisyjune5135]

Dream Dickson ?

[@MegaMick56]

Explain please.

[@COUNTRIBOI09APE]

JW’s don’t wear beards. No way he’s a member 😂

[@motomark9736]

Jesus had a beard JW are wrong get out of that cult

[@COUNTRIBOI09APE]

MotoMark different day and age. New law doesn’t allow them to look like the “world.” No cult involved. 😂

[@dustinkfc6633]

Is Charles Taze Russell teaching us?

[@davidvivianaspinall3498]

Not sure what you mean, Dustin.

[@JamieBigham]

Who care's what Ray Franz thinks? All that matters is the truth.

[@davidvivianaspinall3498]

Hello Jamie Do you believe that Ray Franz did NOT care about truth?

[@JamieBigham]

I believe he cared more about discrediting the watchtower.

[@StripperLicker]

How do you define "truth"?

[@StripperLicker]

Oh... Nevermind... I didn't realize who you were when I asked that.

[@titaa56]

+Jamie Bigham everyone ought to discredit that horrible lying, mind controlling fallible Watchtower!!

[@davidsmith5946]

HOW MANY WATCHES IN THE TOWER?

[@michaellove4569]

Whatever the Cyrus cylinder point to Cyrus the king of Persia besieged Babylon in 539 bce historical fact so two years after that's the King Cyrus let the Jews go back to their land to worship their god in 537 bce so Jeremiah Ezra and Daniel talk about 70 years exile so that point to 607 so stop talking bullshit

[@davidvivianaspinall3498]

Michael, your contempt for ALL the scholars who disagree with JW.org is truly frightening. If you continue to trust in the non-scholars who publish the Watchtower, you will end up very disappointed. The truth about the date of the fall of Jerusalem is NOT hard to find -- just go to any encyclopedia, any ancient history book, any Bible reference book NOT published by the Watchtower. I have never found a single historian, archaeologist, Bible scholar -- Christian or Jewish or non-religious -- who agrees with JW.org. If the foundation is crumbling, the Tower will fall. If you wish to trust in men, at least trust men who have done their homework.

[@michaellove4569]

@@davidvivianaspinall3498 I didn't go to jw. org you loser I did my own research the Cyrus cylinder is in the British museum that's history fact point to Cyrus the king of Persia conquered Babylon in 539 bce that's the earliest historical record of ancient times that a lot if historians support so pull your head out of your ass and except the historical facts. Why don't you give me a explanation why scholars say that Cyrus the king of Persia besieged Babylon in 539 bce in the Cyrus cylinder you ignorant prick and that's why I said 607 because I have done my homework

[@davidvivianaspinall3498]

Michael, you seem to have an anger problem. You made the connection to 607 -- sorry if I was wrong to think you were defending JW.org's untenable position. No one is arguing about 539. Are you defending the 607 destruction of Jerusalem, or are you not?

[@michaellove4569]

@@davidvivianaspinall3498 so why are you saying the jws are wrong about the 607 bce the jws say Jerusalem was destroyed because their right because two years later after Cyrus besieged Babylon the Jews went back to their homeland in 537 so the 70 years Jeremiah Ezra and Daniel says they would be exiled for 70 years 537 to 607 bce that's the 70 years so stop talking bullshit that the jws are wrong about their 607 destruction of Jerusalem

[@michaellove4569]

@@davidvivianaspinall3498 I seem to have anger problems you seem to have bull$#!t lying problems spreading your poison about the jws

[@davidsmith5946]

DOES WATCHTOWER SELL WATCHES??