Jeju Air crash: ‘Unusual elements’ of plane crash confuse aviation experts

[@kolasillers7776]

Person who decided to put concrete wall at the end of runway needs to be put in jail.

[@lewblythin]

in the old days we had a net to stop the plane

[@pushslice]

Can almost guarantee there were many underlings who thought it was a bad idea, but carried out the boss’s directions anyway… 🤷 🇰🇷 🧠

[@pillred5974]

It looked like it hit a mound of earth to me.

[@kenmay1572]

Does seem to be a construction disaster

[@Michm-b4m]

The airport was created by the opposition party who aimed to get the votes in their regular territory in Joella province. There are lots of suspicions surrounding this crash. 1 the informant video was filmed right on time and at the roof broadcasted by MBC. The initial informant was a reporter of MBC then changed to others multiple times. MBC broadcasted a weird screen which is allegedly related to directives of North Korea such as impeachment 817. 817 refers to North Korea's espionage directives or Chinese bird looking drone, ch 817. Lots of suspicions hovering around in South Korea. Media outlets which are pro China and pro Democrats continue focusing on bird strikes and try to make this incident responsible for jeju air only rather than Muan airport which was planned by Democrats and reopened for international flights only 21 days ago right after president Yoon got impeached. The constitutional trial of the impeachment has not yet done though majority seats of Democrats passed the impeachment bill by themselves.

[@Zippy-p4d]

Only thing that I'm confused about is what genius thought of building a great big brick wall on the runway..

[@scotfree21]

Some say it was the bird strike that doomed the aircraft. Some say it was down to no landing gear. Looking at the video I would say sliding at 200 miles an hour into a brick wall at the end of the runway probably played a big part in its destruction.

[@davidford3115]

Indeed. The plane was intact when it touched down on the runway. It was the violent impact with a cement wall that made it fatal.

[@arsenalroo]

We don't know f all yet. I'm guessing get down fast is smoke. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZombgJminsqFhbc

[@chichichiyomi__]

Its a concrete berm, more like an embankment. Aviation equipment are mounted on concrete foundations raised a few feet off the ground. And surrounding that is a pile of dirt to cover the concrete. Its not a brick wall, a brick wall would have crumbled under the speed and weight of the plane. Also while the berm was indeed a big part of the crash, air crashes are usually a larger series of problems that happened. Solely blaming the wall is insufficient for a full investigation. It could be argued that had the plane was properly configured for landing and it landed in the right place down the runway, it might have stopped before the berm. This is not to say that the berm was not a fatal design flaw.

[@scotfree21]

@ I despair. Quite obviously I don’t mean an actual brick wall. The point I’m making is without a solid object positioned at the end of the runway we probably wouldn’t be talking about the deaths of 179 people DUAAA

[@derekvanbloemen8415]

No mention of the concrete wall at the end of the runway causing all the deaths. Incredible.

[@brianwebb191]

It was a long way from the end of the runway, Maybe he should have landed at the Start NOT at THE END of it lol T F the concrete was there.

[@alanstevens1296]

It wasn't "at the end of the runway." If the plane hadn't been going 150 mph on the ground 800 feet after the end of the runway all those people could have walked away from that plane. At that speed it would go another 800+ feet and almost certainly crash into something else along the way. Building, wall, storage tanks, embankment, ditch, waterway, highway, tractor-trailer, train, retaining wall, are some of the possibilities at airports.

[@derekvanbloemen8415]

@@alanstevens1296no. The plane started to land in the last third of the runway. The airport was stupidly built in the middle of a migratory bird area. Any runways close to buildings, embankments, storage tanks etc doesn’t make sense. Those passengers were killed by the plane smashing into the embankment, concrete or earthen. The pilots needed some quick thinking and from experience in the Far East that Orientals think differently. Also, control tower miscommunication

[@alanstevens1296]

@@derekvanbloemen8415 The berm is about 200 feet from the airport perimeter wall which is made of concrete. This means: 1) The airport had very limited property available to build on 2) The alternative was no airport for Muan 3) If it missed the berm the plane would have hit the perimeter wall at 150 mph with the same results. No survivors or only a few.

[@alanstevens1296]

@@derekvanbloemen8415 Did you know that at Washington National Airport 1) The main runway (about 7,000 feet) has only about 800 feet of overrun available at either end before the Potomac River 2) The two shorter runways (about 5,000 and 3,700 feet respectively) have much less than that 3) One of the busiest and most important airports in the country with about 800 flights per day 4) Per my research, only one overrun accident there. The Northwest Airlines crash on December 1, 1983, was a low-speed overrun. The aircraft skidded off the runway during a snowstorm and ended up in the Potomac River, but because the speed was relatively low, there were no fatalities, and all passengers and crew survived.

[@edwardfreeman7512]

Bird strikes don't usually cause catastrophic crashes. If they did nobody would fly. It looks like major pilot errors to me.

[@Mewsfinder]

The massive concrete wall made it catastrophic - Otherwise it wouldn’t have been as bad. Nowhere near -

[@ukmaxi]

No, but a birdstrike did indeed occur and this was the catalyst at least.

[@davidford3115]

@@ukmaxi A birdstrike started it, but it was a cement wall that made it fatal.

[@AnotherPointOfView944]

Wait until the facts are revealed from the FDR and VR.

[@skincareforme]

@@davidford3115 what abt the gears? they couldve breaked and never crash into the embankment

[@jules263]

South Korean government allowed a concrete wall of death to be built at the end of a short runway, the plane had landed and many passengers could have possibly survived if it wasn’t for that wall.

[@celinaastbury4619]

not to be that guy but jejus east-west runway is 4k long and the north-south is 3km long which are industry standard, not short

[@alanstevens1296]

It wasn't "at the end of the runway." If the plane hadn't been going 150 mph on the ground 800 feet after the end of the runway all those people could have walked away from that plane. At that speed it would go another 800+ feet and almost certainly crash into something else along the way. Building, wall, storage tanks, embankment, ditch, waterway, highway, tractor-trailer, train, retaining wall, are some of the possibilities at airports.

[@Bungle-UK]

Dodgy pilots. Some terrible decision making seems to have been in play.

[@geofo60]

They were both very experienced, with thousands of air miles flown without any bad outcomes.

[@Bungle-UK]

@ not this time

[@kerriganwild2996]

If that's true why wasn't the gear down then?

[@brianwebb191]

He was relying Luck, But it run out lol.

[@Saijai143]

That plane disintegrated when hitting that cement wall. Its amazing the flight recorder was intact at all.

[@juliawigger9796]

Black boxes are in the back of aircraft.

[@compulsiverambler1352]

Flight data recorder casings are the toughest piece of equipment in a modern commercial jet aeroplane. I wouldn't be surprised if it dented the concrete wall.

[@gazs7237]

Flight recorders could survive pretty much anything you can throw at it, including direct missile hits. The concrete wall may as well be jelly

[@molybdomancer195]

The flight recorders of Air France 447 were recovered from the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean (nearly 4,000 metres down -similar to the depth of the Titanic) two years after the plane hit the sea. They were able to recover data from both boxes. The black boxes are made to be almost indestructible

[@TheGalantir]

Yeah, isn't it amazing how something which is designed to survive a crash survives a crash. Crazy.

[@Boobyi1953]

Unconfirmed but some sources say 2 survivors and they are cabin crew. At the tail of the Boeing are two seats facing towards the tail with lap and shoulder harnesses.

[@geofo60]

On the Boeing 737-800 those two seats at the rear, face to the back. That's possibly what contributed to them surviving the crash. Better to wait for the final outcome of the investigation before we jump to the wrong conclusion.

[@chrisclark4112]

Yh dats Wot he said

[@SquirreIwood]

Couple questions: 1. Why hasn’t there been any innovation to prevent birds from entering into the engine? 2. In the world where everything seems to be automatically uploaded into the cloud, why do we still need to track down and hunt for black boxes and voice recorders for such valuable information?

[@dainagrn7030]

How before they never talked about birds? Only the last week birds became the biggest cause of everything.

[@ura9390]

1) an engine is designed to ingest huge quantities of air to power the combustion of fuel, you cannot cover the inlets to prevent birds from entering without impeding the airflow and basically rendering the engine ineffective or hugely inefficient and easy to stall 2) data transmission relies on satellite communication which is not always reliable and can be patchy, air to ground data communication works only over the ground not the ocean, cloud cover and adverse weather can also hamper communications, a robust data recorder designed to survive crashes is a far superior method to constantly collect and store data

[@Bungle-UK]

A device covering the engines would be too disruptive to airflow, and increase weight.

[@YUDNSAY]

Did they not manage to develop a method for concord air intake?

[@RPaton]

@@YUDNSAY no

[@dmthandmade5674]

I haven't studied these things and as such am not an 'expert'. That said, in my laymans opinion, airport runways are always better if they don't have a bloomin' great brick wall in the middle of them, for some reason. Brick walls are well known in some circles to be really rather bad for the structural integrity ofany kind of vehicle moving quickly towards them and the wellbeing of passengers and crew on board.. I would suggest, in all humility befitting my status as a lowly non expert, that not having a brick wall would have been better.

[@sahara-nadine]

That ^ part exactly. Baffling to have a concrete cemented wall in the midst of a runway. Whoa! Most airports tend to have a fence and not a brick wall, because a plane can easily go through a fence without exploding, also these fences are placed far away from the runway as a way to close off the airport area.

[@edwardfreeman7512]

Yeah it should surely have been a fence. If planes overrun the fences help the plane to slow down without a sudden violent impact.

[@AnotherPointOfView944]

The wall was 250 metres BEYOND the end of the runway.

[@skincareforme]

even if there wasnt the wall it would have still been catastrophic given the speed they were going the ocean is like cement as well

[@tombox2759]

Flying may be statistically safer but not based on survival rates per accident. On average, there are 3,287 car deaths per day internationally. More than 94% of all vehicle accident deaths are caused by user error. Road traffic crashes remain the leading killer of children and youth aged 5-29 years. One person is killed every 26 seconds on average due to road traffic injuries. Would you rather drive or fly?

[@pooooornopigeon]

You are more likely to die in a car crash on the way to the airport, plane crashes are rare.

[@evaluateanalysis7974]

"Road traffic crashes remain the leading killer of children and youth aged 5-29 years" Not in the USA, it is of course *guns* . In the USA they care more about guns than their own children. (I'm not sure about the upper age limit.)

[@michaelmyers7290]

Drive because it involves being in contact with the ground..

[@NonsenseFabricator]

In terms of fatalities per mile travelled per person, aircraft are orders of magnitude safer. We just don't think as much about car crash victims.

[@sallylemon5835]

News like this made me not flying for years

[@pooooornopigeon]

What a cowardly approach to life, it means you are existing but not living.

[@evaluateanalysis7974]

"News..." You'd better stop driving too then, because that is more dangerous.

[@Dliu1116]

Foolish mentality, flying is far more safer than driving. Can’t live life in paranoia and fear of death, that’s good as being dead.

[@A2Z1Two3]

What a fidgety presenter , playing with her hair, clawing at her neck , very unprofessional and distracting . She should keep her hands OFF camera 😢

[@geoffshaw8053]

The pilots must have just forgot to put the gear down in the confusuon.

[@PeterEich-gl1gh]

Is this the only possible explanation?

[@brianwebb191]

Forgot to engage BRAIN more like.

[@nino88881]

This is really sad. There were full families those were completely gone bc of this accident. RIP 🙏

[@lynnschaeferle-zh4go]

How long will this story continue to be milked bf the report is done? 1.) landing was perfect, despite mechanical failure 2.) there was a concrete wall at the end of the runway Sometimes things really are simple

[@Robinbamv]

How do you know there was a mechanical problem with the landing gear ?

[@Marilyn-s4d]

💯 correct!😮

[@alanstevens1296]

No landing gear? Still going 150 mph as it approached the perimeter of the airport? Not "perfect" -- a non-survivable situation.

[@yramnatogada449]

Rest in peace 🥰🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@quarstrongforce]

the wall was(was) on the begining of the run way, polit attempttedland on the opposite direction. landed at the middle of the runway(1200/2500). Do jet have a pilot light?

[@kevinallen4218]

What does a bird strike have to do with the under carage not coming down 🤔.. this was deliberate in my view

[@davidford3115]

Deliberate attempt at suicide? If the hydraulics were damaged, that would prevent proper deployment, and it lost of power meant time was a limiting factor, they might not have had enough time to manually deploy.

[@brianwebb191]

Bird brain Pilot me thinks,

[@davidford3115]

@@brianwebb191 Do you have anything better to do than lob insults at a dead man? It is easy to attack someone who can no longer defend themselves.

[@sircxx8621]

‘Bird strike’. Yea, ok, lads.

[@vanphunguyen1722]

Unusual thinking people 🤔 Built the wall at the end runways to stop the Planes run over the road

[@frankblangeard8865]

"We don't know". That pretty much sums up this video.

[@garysimpson3900]

The KZbin Channel Blancolario presented by Juan Browne has the best coverage to date of the issues raised by this crash.

[@happyhalfwit8862]

I have a suspicion as to what happened. Bird strike cause engine fire/failure/shut down and rather than take their time crew rushed the drill. I suspect that all the associated warnings and cautions were not cancelled as the shut down was carried out and post shut down and that they rushed the landing and forgot to select gear down and the warnings drowned out the gear warning. Why the "to low gear " was ignored I don't know but stress causes strange things and have seen similar in training flights in the simulator. It looked like an almost perfect landing just not with gear in place and once they touched it was too late or possibly they applied power to try and go around hence the length of travel at the end. I suspect the DFDR will yield the answers fairly quickly.

[@johncale7139]

Were the engines in reverse to help with the slowing down

[@jim.franklin]

Speculation is unhelpful. Airtravel is still the safest way to travel in human history - oddly enough, even safer than walking when you run the data. Something happened on the plane that resulted in the aircrew needing to get that plane on the ground fast, between the mayday and the accident was around 6 monutes, not sufficient for all the check lists they would need to land normally, let alone in an emergency, so it must have been serious. All we can and should do, is wait for the Official Interim Report, as John Stickland said, this could take several months due to the state of the airframe, then wait for the Final Report - however long that may take - potentially a couple of years - and simply hope that the industry is able to glean lessons from what happened to improve air safety even more than it already is. Be very careful about some of the videos circulating on social media, some are full of the brown stuff - those done by actual airline pilots are the ones to listen - they do not speculate per se.

[@andrewhotston983]

If your data says flying is safer than walking, you're doing the statistics wrong!

[@jim.franklin]

@@andrewhotston983 You have to take into account all injuries sustained by each mode of transport per head of population. Around the world - about 300,000 people die each year walking - and then there are the other injuries sustained - regardless of the cause - that number is about the total in civil aircrashes.

[@cyberfunk3793]

@@jim.franklin You compared by km travelled rather than time spent travelling? How about compare h spent travelling, so account for all the time a person is standing up during their life time and compare it to the frequency of deadly accidents per h while flying.

[@brianwebb191]

Maybe they where late for Tea ????????

[@Graham-zh4cp]

Birdstrike no way wat was it a flock of eagles !

[@daleashman434]

Needed to see this right before my flight … 😢

[@Gvsvillages]

Heartbreaking.

[@dalerollinson]

Pilot should've attempted a sea landing rather than 'risk' landing on that runway without gear

[@orlandocfi]

This flight is scheduled as an overnight flight from BKK. Perhaps pilot fatigue played a role in the tragic outcome of this emergency. RIP to all who perished.

[@Sue-p3w]

R.I.P. Extremely sad.

[@glynbirchall9146]

Sad they usually happen in 3s.Igot away with it on a prop plane on way to guernsey .It was all over the sky .Scarey .

[@ruthfrank8106]

There was a crash in Canada yesterday

[@kt3076]

Why are they focused on a bird strike when a cement wall caused the damage? who approve the concrete wall should be jailed...

[@brentwestbrook]

Reducing aviation incidents is an issue to be addressed by Labour by taxing it even further. Yep, that'll fix it.

[@donaldbenoit7420]

Breaking News: russian ruble crashing! Ruble 111 = 1USD

[@A2Z1Two3]

Was there also a wall if they had landed the way they came in ( or was there ANY runwzy with no wall ?)

[@chrisclark4112]

Oooo , int that weird , there's been about 5 failed landing gear accidents 😂😂😂

[@oreilly1237878]

The crew couldnt lower the landing gear.Why?Was it mechanical failure.

[@brianwebb191]

Pilot Failure For Sure.

[@mangagoybislig622]

Why NTSB is always reactive, these could have not ended a tragic crash(why there was a berm). Just like the massive container ship 🚢 that struck the bridge( no dolphins 🐬)

[@garycope4830]

Bird strike ? Yea sure !

[@keeksputels1851]

Either pilots fault, or manufactuers fault. Bird strike smells like pure bs

[@davidford3115]

I believe the birdstrike started the series of events. But that cement wall at the end of the runway was what brought it to a fatal conclusion.

[@makedredd299]

Why?

[@jebsmoak7505]

It was coming in fast short idk what?

[@dennishill4098]

So we don't know click bate

[@DeniseSterling-e1i]

Sorry 😔😐😔 for the loss ❤❤🤔🤯🧐🤨🤔❤️❤️💯😇🌍🙏.

[@SrimanArcharyaJBC]

The Universes Prathistha can nearly be measured. After I carefully added the variables to the Universe. The Sums of Atar seem to be changing to a certain range both in alphabet and numbers. Meaning that data in numbers and alphabet can be consolidated to pin point these types of occurrences to predict random things like this and other things. It’s a safety requirement to have control of the Universe as My Heritage and bloodline lineage as MahaRanaKhumbha. I will commence the paperwork for my Crowning as Khumbar Prajapati with the evidence. ⚡️🤴🏽🕉🔺➕

[@YUDNSAY]

Speculation again TR?

[@IrfanAli-qp1gm]

Boeing Plane Crash Investigation Dept must be the biggest Division of Boeing. At least this expert didn't say the plane veered like other idiot experts have said when anyone can see that plane went straight down the runway.

[@brianwebb191]

Goes to show you cannot Steer without Wheels lol

[@reeva5735]

Even tragic stories have a beginning, a middle and ending. We know how this ended but questioning the wall is not the answer..Experts MUST go back to the beginning of where this all began with the faulty mechanics of the landing gear! And since everybody else is speculating... the "bird strike" puff of smoke was more likely an electrical fault on board, caused by desperate attempts to fix the landing gear!! But we will see.

[@evaluateanalysis7974]

"this all began with the faulty mechanics of the landing gear" Fascinating, no doubt you have evidence for this. Or perhaps not?

[@reeva5735]

@evaluateanalysis7974 OR perhaps I am well aware of the fact that this supposed "bird strike" occurred on a landing approach.... at which point, the landing gear would be deployed already. Any MAYDAY would have surely mentioned that the wheels were jammed.

[@evaluateanalysis7974]

@reeva5735 "at which point, the landing gear would be deployed already. " So what's with landing gear problems? "MAYDAY" They generally don't.

[@reeva5735]

@evaluateanalysis7974 "So what's with landing gear problems"... no wheels, no brakes!

[@evaluateanalysis7974]

@reeva5735 Lol! You said "faulty mechanics of the landing gear" then "landing gear would be deployed already" then "no wheels". You're just trolling.

[@quarstrongforce]

flame out. bad design

[@bobthebuilder5728-v3w]

Is this yet another Boeing plane 🤔

[@Getonwithit204]

Here we go. 🙄

[@DIGITALMARKETINGGURUS-xm3ix]

Boeing needs to be investigated

[@MarkSiosal]

Yup. I mean, why did the plane disintegrate when it hit a concrete wall? An Airbus would've bounced off and everyone would be a ok.

[@DIGITALMARKETINGGURUS-xm3ix]

@MarkSiosal how many Boeing incidents vs how many airbus?

[@brianwebb191]

Yes they do lol Make sure the pilot has F=====g Brain.

[@marcvincentl2747]

if its already the second try to land, the pilot should have reconsider water ditch given that he know that landing gears are not working and engine failure. He should have know the Runway limitation given the situation.

[@davidford3115]

If not for the wall, they could have slid 1.08KM on the ground before the vehicle would have ended up in the bay. At that point it would have been like the Miracle on the Hudson.

[@brianwebb191]

I would not trust that pilot with a Weelbarrow lol.

[@robertbate5790]

♥️🙏♥️🙏♥️🙏🇬🇧

[@DandyE44A]

I am not an aviation expert. As far as I know Asians they are way too much about rules, instructions, traditions etc. They simply panic and they don't know how to react to a stressful and unexpected situation which is not described in their instructions. These Korean pilots encountered a minor problem (the bird strike) and they instantly took the decision to die instead of thinking fast, improvising and finding a solution of the situation.

[@davidford3115]

Yeah, and we are just going to ignore the cement wall a mere 150 meters from the end of the runway? Had that not been there, the plane could have slid another 1.08KM until it entered the Bay.

[@DandyE44A]

@ One said there were a kind of hotel on the way of the sliding plane. So this concrete wall safe these people’s lives at least.

[@davidford3115]

@@DandyE44A NO, it did not. That hotel you mentioned is 700 meters from the end of the runway while that wall was a mere 150 meters. Further, that hotel isn't even on the slide path of the plane as it is off to the side. From the centerline of the runway, there was a clear 1.08KM line to the bay. At that point, the water would have resulted in a situation similar to the miracle on the Hudson River.

[@brianwebb191]

Maybe he felt sorry for the birds lol, and thought he would end it ?? he did a good job though 200 MPH into Concrete, Concrete WON , The runway is ok seems he did not want to use it for some reason lol

[@DandyE44A]

@@brianwebb191 Many experienced pilots say that it’s the electronic which flies planes nowadays and all what today’s pilots are trained for is pushing knobs. I am ready to bet that these particular crew simply panicked because of the unusual situation in which they found themselves and were poorly prepared for.

[@Anson-g5w]

The pilot is not good

[@davidford3115]

That landing aside from not having landing gear was practically perfect. It was the cement wall a mere 150 meters from the end of the runway that turned it into a deadly crash.

[@Anson-g5w]

@ I fly I can land

[@Eyeballpaul84]

Boeing AGAIN get them out of the sky now

[@anthonypearce7816]

Avian bird flu pandemic over . Threat terminated