Jellico vs. Picard

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[@bulldog76472]

It's really impressive how the writers and Ronny Cox were able to fully develop and flesh out a character who only appeared in two episodes.

[@TheVeritas1]

Here's some good news. Jellico appears on Star Trek: Prodigy now airing on Netflix. This underscores how more fans and creators are starting to warm up to Jellico.

[@JohnThomWebb]

Unlike Discovery where we got five seasons and I can't even remember half their names because they never developed most of the characters.

[@Weeklong_Seagull]

​​@@TheVeritas1oh yes "star trek". Nothing better than doing five seasons without even developing a single character or continuing any plot point whatsoever. I don't know who works on prodigy or discovery but it's obvious not a single one of them is a writer or filmmaker or actor

[@TheVeritas1]

@@Weeklong_Seagull You clearly haven't watched either show. Let's take Discovery. Michael Burnham went from a disgraced mutineer and pariah to a decorated captain in the span of 5 seasons. She also settles down to become a wife and mother by the final episode. That's some major character development. To underscore the point, one episode in Season 5 has Burnham encounter her past self. You'd think they were two different people because Burnham has changed that much. Life is like that. Other characters in Discovery like Book (Burnham's future husband), Tilly (her best friend), and Saru (my favorite character) also go through real character arcs on the show. Moving on to Prodigy, this is a coming-of-age show which means real growth for the cast. It also helps that the cast are escapees from an alien gulag being hunted down by the head of said gulag. That would cause any kid to mature fast. Side note: it is COOL that the cast are all aliens, a first for Trek. A great example is Dal R'el, who starts off as a reckless, arrogant teen. However, becoming captain of his fellow alien refugees makes him grow up into a selfless, mature leader. Dal gets even more development in his quest to learn what his true alien species. You see other character change in surprising ways. From the youngest. Rok-Tahk, bucking her monstrous appearance to being scientific genius. To Gwyn, the daughter of the gulag's warden who is determined to chart her own path rather than be instrument of her father. So, Discovery and Prodigy do let their characters grow and mature over time.

[@fcensoredk1556]

​@@TheVeritas1no one's going to read that.

[@MrRurounismc]

One last thing I love Jellico for: All his being a dick, (IE gruff, busy, not explaining himself) he IS the one who gets Picard back, and him and Picard have this like weird understanding, they both know whats being asked, and no one else seems to.

[@davidioanhedges]

Picard's crew want picard back, Jellico has to be presauded to even try ... Picard's crew gets Picard back dispite Jellico

[@donpietruk1517]

​@@davidioanhedgesHate to say it but Picard wasn't his mission. Stopping the Cardsssian was. Things go bad when you start reacting emotionally. Picard was on a covert ops mission which the Federation couldn't acknowledge even existed. Jellico made his move for Picard once he had the upper hand.

[@mandolinman2006]

​@@davidioanhedges false. A rescue mission of Picard was a secondary concern. Preventing a war with Cardassia without losing territory was his primary mission. Every step of the plan was his, including adding the return of Picard.

[@maybetoby]

I honestly really liked Jellico. And the line about Deanna knowing he's not sure of himself, sometimes good leaders need to fake it until they make it.

[@brandonfrancey5592]

There is an example of Picard doing the same thing. When Picard and Crusher were mind linked they were trying to navigate a planet and escape. Crusher unsure of the direction they should go, Picard reads the tricorder and declares "That way." Crusher then reading his mind says, "You don't really know either." Picard then defends himself saying sometimes a caption needs to put on an air of confidence or something to that effect.

[@maybetoby]

@@brandonfrancey5592 correct

[@kev3d]

I don't trust Troi's empathic abilities either.

[@tigerbread78]

Troi "Actually he's not sure of himself" and yet Jellico managed to avert a war, AND get Picard back, too.

[@thiagodeandrade7081]

After having to beg Riker's help. It is clear whom the episode is siding with whether we like it or not.

[@jamesboulger8705]

What an unprofessional thing to do if you can read emotions, undermining your captain with privileged information about his feelings.

[@evangreen3080]

@@jamesboulger8705what an unprofessional thing to do to risk your crew’s lives because you’re too insecure to let anyone in. It’s quite the high-wire act he’s playing. Us seeing him on a good day doesn’t change that.

[@timothythompson4144]

​@jamesboulger8705 Being unsure of yourself isn't a deal breaker. Plenty of leaders are flying by the seat of their pants, and they're still very talented. As a professional empath, she should be aware of that.

[@wellesradio]

@@evangreen3080He was being professional. His forging ahead despite his insecurities is what makes him a brave man. He knows that there are grave consequences if they fail and if his crew knew hiw bad things were many of them would panic as well. Not all of them could hold it together the way he does, and he doesn’t need them to worry, he needs them to do the job. Troi was being unprofessional. She’s not used to the uniform yet.

[@andreahorsch286]

This is the "you're not my dad!" episode in my head

[@LordBloodraven]

He's not the dad, he's the stern babysitter that doesn't let you get away with misbehavior.

[@youtubeistryingtocensorme]

@@LordBloodravenso basically the overly-strict unwarm step-dad

[@captainsteroid2454]

That's... pretty accurate, actually. XD

[@seanraines5871]

😂😂😂

[@howdypotowty]

Awesome episode. Wish we got more of Jellico in the show. One of the few times (unfortunately) Diana made a real impact in a scene. One of the very few times someone wrote for her characters abilities to tell the audience something insightful.

[@frankrecinos7158]

He got a comic series.

[@DelphineDenton]

Do you mean Deanna? Because Diana is the actress for another character.

[@howdypotowty]

@@DelphineDenton yes, I meant Troy.

[@brucewayne1777]

​@howdypotowty you mean Troi? :P

[@MidnightAspec]

@@brucewayne1777😂

[@MrRurounismc]

also I dont think I ever noticed the kids drawings before the newbies mentioned it! thats a great environmental detail

[@TheVeritas1]

I also missed the drawings. That is a great detail. This hints that Jellico's attitude is driven by a desire to protects his kids and other kids in the Federation from its enemies.

[@TentaclePentacle]

Jellico talked about the pictures with troi, there is dialog about it.

[@Pksoze]

Another reason Jellico got hate (especially at the time )is because he made Troi actually wear a uniform.

[@iseemtobeaverb8249]

Which ironically was inspired by Marina Sirtis wanting Troi to be treated more like the officer that she was and have a proper uniform.

[@SpiralSine6]

Which is weird because - let’s be real here - she looks damn good in the uniform. Like, is it really any less male-gazey than the other jumpsuits she was wearing?

[@MikeTsBees]

She looks better in uniform.

[@ithinkihadeight]

@@MikeTsBees ​ Not just Troi, all the Trek "Babes" look better when they get proper uniforms.

[@ElPayasoMalo]

Troi wore a uniform in the first episode.

[@DarthArachnious]

Jellico was the perfect mirror for how big of a useless lump Riker could be. Riker is either the best person on the show or the worst. If Riker had acted that way around Picard. He would have relieved him of duty too.

[@klaykid117]

Riker is interesting because he was written as a back up Kirk. If diplomatic Picard didn't work they would have killed him off and had Riker step up as a galactic Man of action

[@DarthArachnious]

@klaykid117 except the writers took a lot of awesome Riker scenes and gave them to Picard. In season one, a kid steals a shuttle. Get stuck in the planet's gravity and nearly crashes. Instead of Riker, one of the best pilots in the Federation, talking him down. Picard does it with Riker sitting right there. They do the same thing in the episode. Booby Trap. They need an expert to navigate the asteroid field with only thrusters. So Picard does it instead of Riker. And the thought on this is. It's Picard's job because he's the captain. Except his responsibility is to the safety of the crew. So get the best man for the job to do it. Of course, Picard is also a great pilot. But they go out of their way to tell us how awesome Riker is.

[@dathomar]

I think the problem with Jellico is that he came in wanting a bunch of little cogs in a machine that he controlled. Picard wanted a bunch of machines that worked together under his direction. Riker was accustomed to runnning the ship because that's how Picard ran things. When Jellico came on board, Riker suddenly became a cog. Dianna tried to address this miscommunication, but Jellico brushed her off, which was his real mistake.

[@TheVeritas1]

On that note, there is a video on Spacedock about how much of a selfish jerk Riker can be at times. This two parter starring Jellico is one of examples used to support the video's argument.

[@DarthArachnious]

@TheVeritas1 I'll check that out. There's episodes where he's awesome. My favorite is The Vengeance Factor. But a lot of time you can't help but think, "Why are you here?"

[@ANProductionsOfficialChannel]

Never noticed his kids paintings on the walk before. That... is such a nice touch I love him more

[@WideNerdy]

One of the best uses of Deanna's power in the whole series. Actors who are trying to portray that they're outwardly projecting one thing while secretly feeling another (such as when lying) have to try to make that obvious to the audience without making it ridiculous that the other characters don't notice. But here, Jelico can be genuinely convincing, and enough so that he can fool Riker who is a master poker player and good at reading when people are bluffing but since Troi can read his actual feelings, we can learn that he's not as confident as he pretends. The way Jelico's actor delivered that performance, you wouldn't know he has doubts without her there to sense it.

[@claytonhusted]

"Get it done." "Make it so." Both mean the same exact thing. One sounds like a request. One sounds like an order.

[@icecold9511]

Both sound like an order, one sounds like an insult.

[@Sonicboom2007]

Jellico was right to relieve Riker for his insubordination. Riker was XO and his duty was to carry out the captain’s orders whether he agreed with them or not. If anything Jellico showed admirable restraint in that he was willing to bend when he asked for Riker’s help instead of just ordering him, and when he apparently decided not to pursue Riker’s insubordination further when he left the ship. Riker is damn lucky that Jellico wasn’t vindictive nor the type to hold a grudge, or his career could have been effectively over. Also kudos for putting Troi in a uniform, and for making Data a first officer. However, Jellico is also a good example of “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” Overhauling the ship’s entire schedule and roster just days before going into a battle situation was dumb. Demanding engineering to do overhauls of the ship just days before a potential battle, while at the same time stripping them of their staff was even dumber. If anything, Jellico may have made the ship less efficient and ready for battle than they normally were by making all the changes at such short notice. Completely ignoring the crew’s advice may be the captain’s prerogative, but that doesn’t inspire confidence and trust in the leadership. Jellico was so busy trying to think of all the changes he could made that he never stopped and thought if he should make them. These are the kind of changes they ought to do during a refit or low priority mission, not in the midst of a crisis. Remember It’s not like the E-D had a crew of raw cadets; this is the same ship that amongst things like running into dangerous anomalies and hostile aliens every week, fought and ultimately stopped the Borg invasion when an entire fleet had failed! Also, they already had a system in place when more crew were immediately needed on duty (which is what yellow alert and red alert were for).

[@Cdr2002]

This is a really good balanced analysis of Jellico. Too many people either write him off as an asshole completely or sing his praises and basically say Starfleet should be hyper militaristic and asocial and just so many ideas that I feel are contrary to Trek’s core values. You on the other hand have well detailed points for his good and bad qualities and I respect it a lot

[@El3ctr0Lun4]

Very good analysis.

[@thiagodeandrade7081]

Very good.

[@SiriusMined]

An XO is not supposed to be a mindless automaton.

[@ManyChanges]

@@SiriusMined Very true. But an XO also should not be arguing with the captain in front of the crew; that happens behind closed doors. It's important that at the very least, an *appearance* of unity among the senior officers is maintained. Otherwise, everyone starts to lose confidence in the leadership in general.

[@captainbryce1]

I find it interesting reading the comments, as some people either love Jellico or hate him. In my opinion (as a retired military member) Jellico was neither an excellent leader, nor a terrible leader. I’ve had COs like him; I’ve also had COs like Picard. They are both good at what they do, but both also have flaws. Jellico was a “hands on” CO with more of an authoritarian style of leadership. He was more experienced in dealing with Cardassians and more of a battle hardened CO than Picard, who was more of an idealist and viewed the Enterprise as a ship of exploration rather than a warship. Picard always viewed Starfleet as a scientific organization rather than as a military organization. Picard is very lax in uniform regulations as a result. He lets the counselor wear civilian clothes, and he allows people to express their individuality and culture while in uniform (Worf’s Klingon sash; Ro’s Bejoran earring; etc). Jellico on the other hand recognized Starfleet as the military, and ran his ship as if they were in wartime (which makes sense in the context of the episodes he appeared in). He expects more professionalism while on duty, which is consistent with military operations. He was also appropriately frustrated with Riker, who was completely insubordinate when he refused to follow his orders to increase duty rotations. Riker was entirely in the wrong here as it’s his job to carry out the Captain’s orders. You don’t just get to decide on your own not to follow orders because you disagree with them, and then not even tell the person who issued the order. Jellico’s weakness as a CO is his over reliance on micromanaging, lack of familiarity and confidence in his crew, lack of willingness to consider constructive criticism from his officers, and inability to foster unit cohesion and morale. Despite Riker’s insubordination, it was partially Jellico’s fault since he never treated Riker with any trust or openness in the first place. Respect is earned, and even when Jellico’s ideas are correct, he doesn’t inspire his crew to go above and beyond because of his dismissive attitude towards them. While Picard has less experience dealing with wartime/military strategy than Jellico, he adapts much better to changing circumstances and inspires his crew to perform at their maximum potential. Contrast his actions in the finale (All Good Things) when he’s dealing with the “past” Enterprise crew. He gives strange/questionable orders to a crew who doesn’t really know him, seemingly behaving in a very similar way as Jellico does on the Enterprise. Worse yet, Picard actually gives them orders which could put the ship at risk and refuses to explain his orders to the crew. But when they question him, he gives an inspirational speech telling them how they are the best crew with the best ship, and tells them how much confidence he has in their abilities. This inspires them to take a leap of faith in their new commander and subsequently follow orders without question. That’s a much more effective way to be a leader, which is why I think Picard is better overall.

[@Joeybsmooth]

Thanks for your real world insights. At least for me the reason I give his short comings a pass is between of the situation and Riker did not try at all. Of Riker was like while I have changed the duty I would like you to consider this and that . But no he was just such A hole worf didn't do half of this before Data and he had issues . And like a man. Worf was like I f×××ed man. Are we still cool.

[@TentaclePentacle]

Jellico doesn't have time to go on a honeymoon with the crew. If it was his own crew he would have acted differently he would have built a relationship.

[@Unther]

Very well written! I always thought that Jellicoe was actually a good Captain and his decisions worked out in the end. So I never doubted his skill there. What I found was that his personality was problematic. He is easily irritated, gets annoyed quickly and doesn't like to listen to comments or criticism of any kind. He forms his opinions of people based on paperwork and very limited interactions and then sticks to them. He's also not really a "people person" that a crew likes to rally around. His problem was that he didn't have time to get to know the crew at all. However, why he then didn't try to explain his actions more - that's on him. Usually one or two sentences of basic explanation help to make people around you understand why you want something. Sure, in critical situations you cannot explain your orders, you need them to be followed, plain and simple. But there were instances where he could have explained things, at least to his senior officers. You don't want to "ride into battle" and have your crew think "this guy is weird - I hope he doesn't get us all killed because he does something stupid".

[@mikehateberg9533]

I'm am Army Company Commander, who just left command. The first thing you need to realize, as the commander, you are the dumbest person in the room. Evocative catch phrasing but hear me out. The people who work for you, they get to be subject matter experts in their field, of their formation, and of their areas of responsibility. As a Commander, you serve as the one to enable their job. Which means trust. You place trust in your people to get things done, and you assume risk if those things don't get done. Which is why you allow your subordinates to plan and execute and listen to their ideas so you generate buy-in because it is their plan. I tried to avoid coming in from over the top as much as possible because letting your subordinates make their own plans, execute them, and share in the organization's efforts This builds a better, more experienced team than just dictating things down. Do we make some mistakes? Yes, every organization does. But that's where you as a Commander place risk mitigations, progress reviews, and continually reassess.

[@captainsteroid2454]

Nicely done. :-)

[@Veran1337]

People also forget how Picard acted in the first few episodes as he sounded out and pushed the crew to see what they were made of. Jelico didn’t have time for that, and even said as much, so he instead simply had to rely on their professionalism to ensure the Job got done, its a shame the crew didn’t give it!

[@Jadiaz-ev9hm]

Yep. Having Riker manually dock the saucer section, etc. People are just upset because in a crisis Jellico thrived while Riker sat in a bathrobe and cried, and how dare someone expect Riker to do something he doesn't like!

[@lotstodo]

He used Data as a calculator.

[@gregquinn7817]

He loved Data. Everyone else was like "we can't do that" and Data would be like "yes we can, just no sleep". Honestly they should have safe meth by 2370.

[@lotstodo]

@@gregquinn7817 Meth isn't safe? Uh oh

[@Jadiaz-ev9hm]

As did pretty much everyone on TNG at one point or another.

[@fredcasdensworld]

Because Data is a calculator

[@JoeSyxpack]

I always wanted a Jellico spin-off. The man got stuff done. I was kinda pissed that they had to give Riker a "win" over him at the expense of both characters. It never sat right with me that Riker would gloat and make him squirm instead of just working with him to save Picard.

[@Fibonochos]

Man, its wild that senator Kensy got into starfleet

[@BlazingOwnager]

Jellico, in a single appearance, became the second best Captain behind Sisko IMO.

[@losspol_3466]

100%

[@nbartlett6538]

Wtf

[@glm3781]

Correct.

[@chris_c1701]

Came here to say this very thing. I would follow Jellico into battle in a heartbeat. I would follow Sisko into hell.

[@MegaZidzid]

he sent middle aged captain who had heart surgeries and middle aged nurse into enemy's territory to a high risk and physically demanding assignment. Not a ''glorious'' strategy at all, rather very stupid.

[@khartog01]

Jellico is a military leader.

[@RedMinotaur808]

Reminds me of a army captain. Get it done lol

[@goaway152]

I would have watched an entire 7 season series on this man

[@stephengrigg5988]

I realized he was a contrast to Picard, but I didn't realize he's such a perfect contrast. His kids pictures was a wild detail I didn't notice

[@swillm3ister]

This episode demonstrated how truly terrible Riker is at being an executive officer.

[@crhu319]

Riker is a great XO for Picard because Riker comes up with the worst case scenarios. Jellicoe doesn't need that he IS that.

[@cirrustate8674]

No, it didn't. It demonstrated how bad Riker is at being and XO for Jellico. Riker trusted Picard, implicitly and completely. He barely knew Jellico and bristled under the very different command style. And Jellico, instead of making an effort to ingratiate himself, simply said "this is how it is, deal with it". They were clashing personalities.

[@TimNutting]

When it first aired I was like the majority of Trekkies and couldn't stand Jellico, but after the fact, I've truly come to appreciate the character and the care the crew all took to bring him to life.

[@gothpunkboy89]

Still can't stand him. He wanted mindless yes men. Rather then officers who worked to get where they are now.

[@matthew8153]

“Appear strong when you are weak.” -Sun Tsu

[@JonesNate]

I noticed that in the episode immediately after, Jellico randomly shows up as some random crew member in a hallway.

[@daanvos194]

Thos is one of the few moments where we see how important an empath is Some people dont show theor feelings That they do on the enterprise is rare

[@FailsafeZero]

The other thing that's so great is the command style of most officers is very similar in the show unless they are obviously a villain. And so it's nice to see there are lots of different ideas about how to be an officer and they are all working together in the same fleet.

[@Parocha]

Remember: Ronny Cox was being typecast as a benevolent father figure before Robocop… impressive turnaround

[@TheRockinDonkey]

Captain Jellico: "Git 'er done!"

[@MyLizardwizard]

Jellico is Military operations, Picard is Exploration command.

[@MeowMeow-ij9dk]

Jellico did nothing wrong. Fight me.

[@0warfighter0]

He could've briefed his crew more. They shouldn't require the context as professionals but they would've struggled less and not worked against him.

[@Purplefoxsoul]

Forcing them to rearrange the entire duty shift in a single day while they're about to enter a high-stress situation and reassigning 1/3 of Engineering to Security immediately after ordering them to work around the clock for 2 days straight has to be, categorically, the dumbest set of leadership/management decisions I have ever seen. Jellico is beyond lucky that it happened to work out in the end, because it certainly isn't because of anything he did.

[@TentaclePentacle]

​@@Purplefoxsouljellico talked to data and data said it was doable. Jellico was rigging the ship for war.

[@acetrainer5564]

One of the few times Diana actually had insight that wasn't obvious

[@jonny-b4954]

Exactly. He's not actually sure of himself. Someone who is is arrogant. He just gives that aura because that's what you want in a battle or stressful situation. Clear command, leadership, and guidance. You dont ask for freakin opinions of a griup when its not their expertise. Sure, if you need to make an engineering command decision, ask what the engineer thinks. But who cares what the doctor thinks? You should plan for the worse and be fortunate you didn't have to use it, then be caught unprepared. He also delegates and lets people do their thing.

[@0PhillMC0]

Jellicho I feel is underrated. He was a good commander and captain, just that he wasn't what we or the crew was used to so they butted heads. Reminder he is the one to make Troi actually wear an uniform.

[@tarrker]

I've said it before and, I'll say it again. Confidence is usually just an act.

[@Dark-Mustang]

Jelico was a great Captain

[@tylergodefroy8713]

one is a military guy and the other is an explorer

[@rowshack]

He's a parent. He plans for and does the worst so his kids won't have to.

[@Randomcorpse]

I always loved Jellico.

[@trueblaze84]

One of the few times they made good use of Diana's ability

[@therizinosaurus214]

Jelico is one of the few characters Cox has played where he is not a bad guy.

[@brucetaylor5598]

I like to get in this episode and he was one of those ones I would get the job done as needed, and I thought I was interesting to see how garbage like they treated him and it’s one of us things to wear. You had a military in the past and they took that away just to focus on the science and exploration of the sad part is you’re having a civilian, going into battle soldiers quite frankly, they’re not they should’ve kept them in the storyline on future, but since enterprise came out afterwards, they didn’t exist, but they should’ve had a military force ready on the brink of whatever was needed and personally I’d rather captain as my captain versus Picard when he look at the fighting situations

[@langaming9956]

Isn't that Senator Kinsley?

[@ringleader61]

Picard is a peace time captain. Jelico is a war time captain. Picard talks and negotiates with his problems, Jelico fights them head on.

[@MrThndrkiss75]

My favorite part is where he made a deal with Red Foreman to take over Detroit.

[@ORam...]

I wish Larry The Cable Guy played Jellico. "Getter dun!"

[@gnomedeguerre2482]

Thats just how Jellico cats are... 😅

[@smullins17]

very interesting! dang

[@lucyk2371]

This seems to be the old school way of management vs. the modern way. The modern way is far superior because no one is afraid to voice opinions, and the captain can freely admit that he doesnt have all the answers.

[@worfwednesday]

Still waiting on the fourth shift!

[@jcortese3300]

I felt like Jellico was written to be a bit of a negative foil, and while I'd certainly rather work for a Picard type leader, Jellico wouldn't be bad if you started with him and were used to him. He's smart, he does listen if you present an idea, and he's predictable and fair. He's not warm, but he's not a villain. It's also worth noting that Picard was a bit of a hard-ass when we first saw him, too.

[@Joeybsmooth]

There are episode where I write off my brain so I can still like the character. This one because Riker was 499% wrong and they never played it as if he was wrong. Like if he saw the error of his ways that would be on thing but Noo and the episode when La Forge Mets the real computer lady. They just should have left out her finding then holodeck version. It would have been good to see the conflict between ideal conditions on a system vs in the field. The the romance or what ever plot no

[@Abravado]

He is one of my favourite characters of ST. I'm still not sure why the writers made Riker duch a wet blanket in this episode.

[@mumblesbadly7708]

Gotta love Jellico’s “EGGsecution”! 😉

[@turingmachine7905]

Jellico? Like the musical Cats?

[@Vipre-]

Jellico gets a bit of a bum rap, though it's partly his own fault. He never that I recall bothers explaining that he was given temporary command WITH specific mission objectives from command. He just waltzed in and started barking while keeping his senior officers in the dark. He directly fermented the tensions seen in the episode.

[@mandolinman2006]

Exactly. He couldn't explain why the changes were taking place or what was going on due to the nature of Picard's mission.

[@killerdoritoWA]

Notice that Picard behaves almost like Jellico in Yesterday’s Enterprise?

[@johnmiller7682]

I just noticed another thing that makes not just Riker an ass, but also Troi. How dare she tell Riker what Jelico is thinking. For an empath and the ships counselor, that's a complete breach of protocol and trust.

[@tholgrimstonebeard5943]

Can you imagine fleshing out a decidedly mid character that only appears for two episodes? Then, by contrast, we have four seasons of Discovery and do we even know Lieutenant Bryce's first name?

[@andywilliams7323]

It details how Picard is a confident and good leader and how Jellico is an insecure and bad leader. Picard commands from natural confidence and strength. He leads and gets the best out of his crew by expecting and allowing them to give their best. Jellico commands from insecurity and a false act of strength. He forces the crew to do precisely what he wants (not necessarily the best) through dominance, control and micromanagement.

[@mandolinman2006]

Picard had a few luxuries Jellico didn't. Picard knew many of the crew and could trust them. Jellico only knew their paper files. Picard had time to feel everything out and get a groove going. Jellico had to jump in, without warning or explanation, and switch the entire mission of the Enterprise from exploration and diplomacy to negotiations with a hostile foe and, potentially, combat. Let's also not forget that it does get revealed that Picard is unsure of himself many times but pretends to be confident.

[@Whynotthem65]

Leadership styles. Picard has a Democratic style to include others but makes the decisions. Picard has a visionary style. Picard also has a Commanding style when he has to make choices that everyone must follow without question.

[@TIB1973]

I hated that character when it first aired but in my older years, I get it now.

[@Ironcorgi2]

I like how in story in jellico is framed somewhat in an antagonistic way but Star Trek fans generally agree he’s one of the best captains

[@NicholasPisano-c7i]

One of the interesting elements here is the difference of having children or not. When you have something so valuable to you that you would destroy everything just to make sure that precious element is okay. You tend to be a bit more action. Driven, as opposed to pensive. Sometimes this is better. Sometimes this is worse. But it is a difference that I think the writers did well identifying

[@auspistic]

Jellico do and Jellico can. Jellico can and Jellico do.

[@RealengoPrimordialDemon]

Jellico is way better captain than Picard, it takes time to get to know him but Jellico is like Sisko, someone who will fight with you instead of giving orders from the safety of the bridge while sipping tea.

[@coolraul07]

Wanna write him TRULY opposite of Picard? Have him agree with most of Worf's recommendations!

[@MrRurounismc]

Its been so fun watching the evolution of the fandom about jellico over the last decade, because back in the day people hated him. These days most people are like "Riker is being kind of an ass right?" and Jellico KNOWS HIS SHIT, its clear hes in charge because hes the best man for dealing with the Cardassians

[@NewbieStarTrek]

The interesting part is that it's really clear from the outset that the writers and Ronny Cox also intended him to be the modern interpretation: a hard-ass, but a good person at heart who just wants to get the job done well

[@odieonekaraoke]

Ronny Cox. Dick Jones……in space

[@PaulfromChicago]

I was annoyed at his portrayal in Prodigy. I wish he had been more interested/ in favor of the kids. I think that would have been a curious use of his character and one that I would have liked to have seen explored rather than just some random admiral.

[@rosemaryjones5550]

Yay Ronnie cox

[@Rundvelt]

It's really interesting because Jellico is hyper competent in everything he takes on. If he's the opposite....

[@AzguardMike]

Jellico was great. He shortened shifts, he asked Data if things could be done and allocated him extra man power. He got Troi to wear a uniform. As a result, Jordie gets a hate bonner for needing to do actual work, Riker refuses to work because he doesn't like Jellico and Jellico has to BEG the crew to help him.

[@andywilliams7323]

The very fact that you state he had to beg the crew to help him (which is true) is the demonstration that he was not great. Unlike other captains, Jellicoe was not a leader. He never lead the crew. The crew never followed him. He was insecure and distrustful and had to force (also beg) the crew to do what he required through domination, control and micromanagement, not leadership.

[@easyeddie21]

This is one of the episodes that gets on my nerves because the whole command crew were acting like spoiled children

[@portee9113]

Good guy Jelico shortened everyone's workday by moving to a 4 shift rotation. Yet Riker wants to drag his dumb feet putting it into orders.

[@andywilliams7323]

Wrong. It increased everyone's work day. Under the 3-shift rotation, everyone worked a single 8-hour shift in each 24-hour period with 16 hours rest time. The 4-shift rotation, meant that everybody then had to work 2 separate 6-hours shifts (12 hours total) in each 24-hour period with just 12 hours rest time between each 6-hour shift. Hence why all the crew h@ted it, and especially having to transition to it so immediately.

[@TentaclePentacle]

Everyone hates jellico but he is right on everything. Picard was soft on the crew, jellico is a real military leader.

[@stevenhandzel5929]

I like Picard, we all do. But there’s a part of me that wishes Picard died or got kidnapped and we got a full season of Jellico. I think once the Cardassians were introduced, sh1t got real. We start to see the conflict that was missing during Roddenberry’s tenure. Things start getting uglier, and this is when we need Jellico.

[@Troy729]

It would only work if there is an actual war. I can't see Jellico's style being that interesting if they were just exploring and doing science stuff.

[@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan]

Riker was such a smug a-hole in this episode

[@76JStucki]

Jellico is not as bad as he is often made out to be. And Riker really should have been more proactive in carrying out his orders. HOWEVER- Jellico could have prevented a lot of friction by simply communicating better with his senior staff. He didn’t need to give them detailed or classified information. He could simply have said “we could easily find ourselves on a war footing very quickly, and if that happens I want this ship to be as effective a weapon as possible. So here’s what I want.” And everyone would have jumped to it.

[@cirrustate8674]

Exactly.

[@paulsommerhalder9049]

Picard killed ravioli-baby's mother....not cool.

[@nonombre7159]

Jellico was a combat captain. He was built for wartime and most of the crew were about exploration. They all needed to butch up.

[@benwillems8584]

Jellico was a good captain, but not with this crew. With his own handpicked crew, we would have had an interesting show.

[@babaganoosh1969]

Dick Jones....

[@stoyanb.1668]

Pic is just really arrogant

[@gnarkillgnarkill7725]

There's a lot of reasons why he didn't need advice from the other crewmen because he had already been briefed about the entire situation and already given that plan, he didn't need there advice.

[@pepperVenge]

I can't stand Jellico apologists.

[@g_oduofthenorth9618]

I can't look at him as anything but Dick Jones... and I'm just realizing his name is Ronny Cox... really? Really?

[@joannkirk-il3mo]

Jelico makes a better leader

[@toriasdax2166]

The thing I didn’t like was how Childish Riker came off as. I understand getting used to someone else’s command style is difficult, but rather than try and work with Jellico and understand him. He instead has a few fits of frustration and then he just sits in his room in a bathrobe. Then he makes Jellico Beg for him to come back, even though their is a mission that if they don’t succeed could cause another war with the Cardassians. If this was an actual military or a competent organization and not a written show, Riker would have been kicked out of Star fleet for his behavior. Even Picard would have been pissed at how Riker acted to his Commanding officer, and how he nearly compromised the mission because he didn’t like his captain.

[@Unethical.Dodgson]

Yeah. Picard would have chewed Riker out if he had been on the ship.

[@isoroxuk]

Jellico failed miserably in explaining the mission and situation to Riker. He was too bothered about settling in to his quarters, looking at kids pictures, and redecorating the ready room to actually brief Riker.

[@beaubutts84185]

​@@Unethical.DodgsonPicard would not have issued mutually exclusive orders and thrown a sissy fit when it was pointed out to him. He ordered Geordi and Worf to have them same people do multiple tasks at the same time and could not handle it was impossible. Thay kind of thinking leads to disaster and is a sign of incompetency.

[@ModernDayRenaissanceMan]

PROSE!!! 🤣

[@joshfox4479]

I don’t think it came off as childish at all. Riker DID try to work with Jellico, multiple times, but each and every time the Cap didn’t want to listen to the reasoning and just said “get it done” like some boomer who thinks the world still works the same way it did 50 years ago. Also the last part about you assuming Picard would be angry that Riker didn’t like or agree with his CO goes against the very reason Picard chose Riker to be his First Officer, which was the fact that Riker was willing to go against his superior officer if he felt he making the right call for the mission or moment at hand. So…you couldn’t be more wrong lol

[@baileygregory9192]

Jellico seems like an actually great commander and leader. Im glad his finaly getting appreciated

[@Darth-vade123]

As a Captain it's important to prepare for everything

[@adamskeans2515]

great commanders don't have their subordinates constantly doubting them.

[@Darth-vade123]

@@adamskeans2515 that is true a good Captain would have the crew's support but don't forget the crew isn't always right

[@JorTanos]

While valid, that also stems from them being used to Picard and his "sTaRfLeEt IsNt A mIliTaRy" nonsense. ​@@adamskeans2515

[@joestevenson5568]

​@@adamskeans2515Yes, because they would never select the bridge crew Picard has. Jellico should have replaced them all.

[@kelpie1533]

It's a testament to Ronny Cox's acting that he made such a lasting impression. Great character, terrific actor.

[@TheVeritas1]

Agreed. Jellico has also appeared on Star Trek: Prodigy (great show) on Netflix.

[@jeffl0385]

Ronny Cox is such an incredible actor, I also love him in Stargate, Senator Kinsey is played so perfectly, I love to hate him

[@adcon00]

@@jeffl0385 Oh my god, I never put that together before!

[@Jar0fMay0]

Prior to Star Trek, I’ve only seen him play villain roles like in Robocop or Total Recall.

[@TheSolidSnakeOil]

Another reason Jellico was great is because of Ronny Cox. You see him and you automatically think of him as "the bad guy". Everything he's known for, it was always the bad guy in a TV show or movie and he just flips that perception on it's head. Even now, I still think of him as the Senator/Vice President for Stargate.

[@OneManPowerTrip]

"WHO CARED IF IT WORKED!! We had a military contract for 209 for the next ten years!!"

[@imtableship1703]

My entire body recoiled whem I heard Kinsey's voice in just this short 😂

[@FriendlyNeighborhoodNitpicker]

Yes, this! You expect him to be doing some kind of double crossed just because of all the other characters he played. 🤣

[@MaskofAgamemnon]

Jellicoe is named for the famous British world war 1 admiral who won the critical battle of Jutland.

[@kommandantgalileo]

Jellicoe, one of my greatest personal heros.

[@MrRurounismc]

ooh, had no idea Theres a story to be told for sure: what he did during the Dominion War

[@kommandantgalileo]

@@MrRurounismc Yeah, Admiral Jellicoe was the admiral of the Grand Fleet, Admiral Beatty fucked up, costed the GF 3 Battlecruisers and thousands killed, Jellicoe had to turn this losing battle into a strategic victory, he then became the First Sea Lord, Beatty replaced him as the commander of the Grand Fleet, then Beatty became the First Sea Lord and tried to slander Jellicoe in order to cover his ass, damaged Jellicoe's reputation, now there is a debate between the Jellicoe Supporters (myself included) and the Beatty Supporters. If you want to learn more about Jutland, I recommend the video by Drachinifel and the one by History of Everything, those are delightful videos, Historiograph has a few videos about Jutland too, those are great.

[@MaskofAgamemnon]

@@kommandantgalileo Jellicoe all the way. Germany remained blockaded for the duration of the war and that was more critical than the British public's yearning for a Trafalgar-style total decisive victory. It was a different time than the Napoleonic Wars, with torpedos and mines. Star Trek's Jellicoe is cautious, serious and highly effective just like his real life counterpart.

[@kommandantgalileo]

@@MaskofAgamemnon Absolutely, Jellicoe was one of the best admirals to serve in His Madjesty's navy.

[@stevenserna910]

Had a job once where I worked for an USAF Engineer, Lt. Colonel. Best leader I ever had the honor of working for. Not perfect by any means, but decisive, fair, and very plan and goal oriented. You didn't have to guess what he needed or wanted in a project. When you did good work, he let you know. If you didnt, he let you know that as well.

[@seanraines5871]

Did he say thank you? Jellico just walks out on Riker after asking not ordering. Wude. 😅 And thank you for serving

[@Vesperitis]

Ohhhh to have seen Jellico team up with Sisko. The Dominion War would have been over by Christmas if they had both been on the scene.

[@HP-mf4df]

I feel like we lost something major by not seeing Jellico in DS9.

[@ABQSentinel]

They'd have kicked the Dominion's asses and been home in time for corn flakes!

[@chrisklecker]

Everyone would have been home in time for cornflakes.

[@dougsmith6262]

When I was a kid, I thought Jellico was a dick. But watching again as an adult who's had to handle being in a position of authority, both in the military and as a father, I understand his reasoning. The crew had a lot of shit to do and not much time to do it. So he had to be the hard-ass and crack the whip.

[@TekTrekgamer]

My sentiments exactly.

[@glm3781]

This episode made Riker so unlikeable. Jellico was the right leader for a crisis.

[@andywilliams7323]

Jellico wasn't the right leader, he simply had the right crew. The crew (except Riker) largely carried Jellicoe through the crisis. The crew didn't respect and h@ted Jellicoe and with good reason. But they were professional enough (except Riker) to put it aside and get done what Jellico needed. Jellico was an insecure and distrustful leader, who had to force (rather than lead) the crew to do what he required through distrust, domination, control and micromanagement. If he'd had a less professional crew, it would have resulted in a crew completely alienated from him, never going out of their way for him and just doing the bare minimum for him.

[@glm3781]

@@andywilliams7323 I respectfully disagree. Jellico's style was exactly correct for a military organization in a potentially lethal crisis. They needed someone who was quick, decisive, and precise. There's nothing wrong with "forcing" crew members to follow orders in such situations- lives depend on it.

[@mandolinman2006]

​@@glm3781exactly. They didn't even have the luxury of letting the crew in on the gameplan. If they'd known they were having to switch gears from a vessel of exploration and diplomacy to warship in a matter of days, they would've had a different outlook. By the same token, he admitted he wanted the Cardassians to believe he was a hot head that had everybody on their toes. He knew how to approach them since he had dealt with them before. When you look at it like this, he did as well as could be expected. Could he have changed things up a bit to make the transition easier? Yes. But he didn't have the luxury of time or to disclose what was going on.

[@GrandGoblin]

Jellico saved us from Troi's silly spandex clothes and that makes him easily one of the best captains of all time.

[@wyldhowl2821]

Yup, until then, Troi was still a bit of an entitled princess, like her mom. After that episode Troi got serious about becoming a better officer.

[@gregquinn7817]

Kinda funny how they made it a bristling order to Troi to start wearing actual uniforms/not her choice...yet she kept doing it when he left. Lol😂

[@katelights]

might just be a gay thing, but I sure found her more attractive in the real uniform anyway :D

[@russellmz]

​@@katelightsless cringe ==》 more hotness