Jennifer Botterill and Kevin Bieksa ARGUE over Jacob Troubas elbow on Evan Rodrigues!!

[@brookslight16]

Disagreement seemed pretty civil to me / not sure why anyone needs to “leave HNIC or lose their job” - Jesus the overreactions here are wild

[@MrCoryb77]

Ask Don Cherry.

[@brookslight16]

@ can’t

[@MrCoryb77]

@@brookslight16 Exactly.

[@ML-my8qq]

This is the exchange people are up in arms over? Wow. People are so sensitive. It was a couple of minutes of people disagreeing. We’re allowed to disagree still lol

[@Ccisports]

@@ML-my8qq this isn’t the one this is from last playoffs. It’s just the first one that comes up on Google so people are assuming it’s the one from Saturday night

[@ML-my8qq]

@ oh thanks!

[@Goldminer63]

Last year, Jennifer Botterhill said "They should take body checking out of hockey." I lost all respect for her that moment.

[@deandunn-q1o]

She's brutal...

[@Arasteele]

She's right.

[@eddieharcourt6049]

She's amazing. One of the better commentators on HNIC.

[@bobbybeast1000]

maybe but shes right here. That was aweful

[@huck29329]

Bieksa is right! Please don’t go down the road the NFL is taking. They pussified their game and are loosing viewers. I suppose you can also add the NBA into that category. NHL hockey is a great game, keep it that way.

[@Arasteele]

He's wrong. Period. Trouba knew he was beaten so he threw the elbow. She's right, you and Bieksa are wrong.

[@gastondeveaux3783]

I agree with Jennifer, I don't know how you wouldn't call that an elbow, and he caught his jaw. However, this just sounded like adults disagreeing, but respectfully. No big deal at all. P.S., I would love to see Lafreniere have a huge break out year. Go Laff!

[@JordanUlrich-rf1me]

I'm with Bieksa!

[@clintfink1036]

Yep she's gotta get the f off the panel..

[@sfm5s]

The arm was extended to enable the elbow to hit the player in the head. It was a penalty

[@scaletipping4715]

It was a penalty. Lol. No one saying it isn't. He didn't target head.

[@sfm5s]

@ well if he wasn’t targeting the head he was trying to blindside the player. Same result, both physically and mentally. Used to call it getting snotballed, it is bloody dangerous and cheap.

[@ryanmartyn9289]

I don't see why people are making a big deal about this clip. It was a simple discussion with a couple different opinions... 🙄

[@DaveRino]

That was close enough to be an elbow to the head IMO.

[@nathanmackenzie1174]

Fine line between clean and close enough. That’s why people like Bieksa are awesome to have analyzing. Jenn needs to leave though; she is completely insufferable and knows little to nothing about the game.

[@brucecooper8559]

If you extend your elbow in the direction that Trouba did, that’s not a move where you’re protecting yourself while doing a hit! That’s a deliberate move to widen your body to slow down someone instead of using your hand. I agree on the grey area it’s in but by the track record of Trouba, who by the way is a very tall player, I would say he doesn’t hold back or worry about the legality of his hits. Botterill is not exhausting, she is a voice of reason on head injuries that end careers or CTE in later life! If I’m doing my job that I love and someone is acting carelessly and injures me I’m not going to be happy down the road where I’m a shell of the person I used to be because of a grey area!

[@paul-baseballcollector]

I'm confused why are the comments so recent when this happened 5 months ago?

[@Ccisports]

Botterill had another freak out this Saturday and almost cried on tv about the Penguins and Habs end of game battles.

[@747Cone]

@@Ccisports post it

[@cindywasylkoski5249]

I can't find that last one. I think that's why people are here.

[@ddswong]

Looks pretty tame to me....probably went out for chicken wings and beers after this "confrontation"!!!

[@brianwilliamson9404]

Bieksa still thinks the hit on Nathan Horton....was a clean check.

[@dashcroft1892]

Depends on your definition of clean. It was a late hit to be sure and the turning point of the series.

[@mikec3971]

Botterill is exhausting…always ”woman-splaining” about etiquette and the physical aspects of the NHL, to former NHLers. It’s time to move her to the PWHL where she can comment on a game that she understands.

[@TrevorFryer]

Ah yes, the age old "the woman is the problem" adage. Because Ron and the rest of them do such an amazing job. I like Bieksa most nights but if you can't stand a woman telling a man he's wrong I feel sorry for you. It takes too much out of a person to be misogynistic. I hope you can do better.

[@mikec3971]

@@TrevorFryer "misogynistic"...seems I struck a nerve. hahahaha She's a DEI hire and a narcissist, who refuses to acknowledge the differences between the mens game vs womens game. When it comes to her understanding the game within the game in the NHL, she is completely clueless.

[@Ccisports]

I disagree with you that she is a DEI hire. She is a very skilled experienced decorated and highly educated hockey player. However i do agree that she cannot see the difference between the physicality of the men’s and women’s games sometimes and she gets super defensive about it. She has been working on taking things to personally though. This weekend was the first time in assume she got that defensive about something i was very impressed with her work on that last season.

[@mikec3971]

@ none of her credentials and experience relate to the NHL. All the female analysts are DEI hires, however Campbell-Pascall and Pounder analysis make sense. Boterill is a narcissist and has a disdain for the physical elements of the NHL. Her attitude was on full display a couple nights ago when she said to Bieksa “…guess what, the game is changing…”. Most of the time, when she speaks the panel sits silent until she’s done and they move on. I feel sorry for those guys having to stomach the nonsense that comes out of her mouth. 😂

[@jasonsparks4887]

She's a waste of oxygen.

[@soty391]

What is hard to discern from the video , that if he touched his shoulder at all, it is clearly the shoulder but the fact that he hit with his elbow half of his head and half of his neck which is also clearly visible on the video is just the neck for Bieksa 😂

[@jasonmaurer]

This is so dumb. Very civil disagreement between a sports panel. Wtf are people going on about lol.

[@Arasteele]

Bieksa thinks an elbowing can only go one direction. He's wrong. It's why in wrestling the forward elbow is called an elbow smash. Elbowing doesn't just go backwards. He's a moron, and Jen Botterill was 100% correct in her assessment. Trouba was beat and he knew it. His only play was to go dirty.

[@redwingsrock1000]

Trouba tried to take his head off with his elbow, I am sure if someone did that to Trouba

[@dans8617]

I was expecting to see someone having a tantrum. Not sure what all the excitement is about. By the way I think Jennifer called it right. Trouba had his elbow at the guys head.

[@Vince-s4r]

I don’t know about anyone else but what argument are they talking about

[@joannelake8130]

So... it sounds like Jennifer does not support humans hitting/smashing/elbowing/chicken winging/cross checking etc other humans in the neck and or head. Kevin, give YOUR head a shake. The game is evolving. Lots of data now on concussions, right? Humans need their heads/necks to be intact after their hockey careers are over. (the discussion wasn't an argument, if you ask me)

[@dougellis5139]

Good call Jennifer, it was an elbow to the head.

[@PatFrenchLeafsFan1]

If Don Cherry survived the poppy outburst, he would've gotten angry with Botterill by recreating Trump's "NASTY PERSON" comment against Kaitlan Collins. I think Don would yell it out. "Lemme tell ya, you're a nasty wimp!"

[@Chriscam2you]

It’s the most obvious and blatant elbow extended straight out in front of himself to reach before he gets right past and to the net. There’s no defence for this blatant elbow to the face.

[@jerbear5312]

For once I agree with her on this trouba doesn’t just stick his elbow out he extends it out to hit e rod in the head and considering how dirty- bad Trouba is it shouldn’t surprise anyone

[@Arasteele]

Exactly. Trouba knew he was beat. His only play was to go dirty.

[@Jammsizzle]

First one to bring up Pronger wins.

[@gordtaylor4621]

Bieksa is a muscle head!

[@camciolo]

This isn’t what people have made it to be 🤣🤣

[@mach1timingsystem-dragraci174]

Just a different read on a controversial call, could go eitherway. What is there was 2 min., but he has a mild concussion?

[@TheDusssty]

Not much of an argument, elbow all the way.

[@toddmurphy390]

There is no such thing as a legal elbow so elbow out should almost always be a major.

[@TheKenchambers]

Why am I getting old broadcasting

[@kylelanglois6753]

Im trying to see where the issue is. Seems all cool here. They all know the game more than we do, They're gonna disagree once in a while

[@kevinpercy1714]

Jennifer is right

[@beofonemind]

Bieksa is so wrong, is he blind? Should be ref.

[@davidcheung6975]

He is a poor loser, he a dirty player too

[@zubzr6]

I hate that someone can argue about anything that hasn’t played at the same level…. She played woman’s hockey and he made a career in the nhl. His opinion is the only one that matters… I have kids and watched my wife give birth doesn’t mean I have the same experience

[@HaroldPreston-g1l]

How much more of her do we have to put up with.

[@jonnyerazo1865]

Botterill is right

[@jeffbond2094]

Get rid of her.She can cover women's hockey.

[@johnnychinstrap]

Only opinion that matters is the one from the man that walked the path of a hockey player. There was no intent and it was the right call. If you never played on a team with at least a team bus your opinion is moot.

[@Devlins10]

I was expecting something alot more heated then this. Waste of time.

[@mike6.10]

She’s frustrating to listen to. Her and Gutless Maclean need to go.

[@brodieallard6638]

Watching this is why i stopped watching HNIC years ago. Ron Mcleans a coward and teamed with Botterill is absolutely painful.

[@brucewayne3602]

Botterill terribly overmatched ... always "to me" endless occasions ... please replace !!!

[@dgm2485]

So the jaw isn't part of the head? Ok... 🙄

[@Kfunk83]

This woman has no place on the panel, hitting fighting etiquette is something she knows absolutely nothing about. Period end of story.

[@zachlesk5685]

Bieksa winning analyst of the year with these types of takes is a joke

[@Ccisports]

Yes, definitely a player who recently played for a really long time has no idea what they’re talking about

[@zachlesk5685]

@@Ccisports dude sees with his own two eyes clear evidence that trouba elbow connected first with roddys head and he still said “nah I don’t think so” when that’s literally what happened

[@Ccisports]

He said it rolled up his shoulder and that it wasn’t an elbow. It was a forearm shiver.

[@zachlesk5685]

@@Ccisports yes, he says that after clearly seeing that it was indeed an elbow. And if he’s gonna make the excuse that it’s a “forearm shot” and that’s a type of play he would’ve made, then bieksa is a dirty player as well

[@Ccisports]

You clearly never watched him play hockey before

[@brianfurchner]

She was right as Bieska trying to qualify the jaw as not part of the head. Bieska needs to shut up and be more familiar with anatomy.

[@bobknoblick4231]

I have difficulty agreeing with Bieksa.

[@JimmiJuiceHockey]

Definitely an elbow.

[@douglashartleib5823]

How does Bieska have a job? The woman completely embarrasses him. He was just making things up at the end lol. Sitting back like I’m right and I don’t care what you say. What a loser. I agree with her.

[@ronniek7748]

Trouba definitely guilty. SB 1 game suspension. He’s a dirt bag.

[@pete4ism]

What the hell are people on about. Normal ass conversation haha

[@patricklucki5368]

1st time I do not agree withe Bieska

[@alvinulep3764]

I'm with Jennifer. His elbow hit the jaw. 😂

[@breezyolive]

She's brutal , just like she defended Morgan Rielly crosscheck

[@gregspaetgens8290]

Sorry, Kevin Bieksa is a joke as a commentator.

[@sharkhudson3282]

I dunno bieksa. That was clearly an elbow to the face/head

[@marcelsarrasin2308]

Bieksa you are so wrong

[@steve709061]

When are they moving her to the pwhl?

[@xxy5306]

this is old everyone

[@Kfunk83]

Ron McLean is a total clown🤡

[@PattyC4kes97]

Apparently your jaw isn't part of your head now 😂 L take from Bieksa.

[@DoctorRevers]

What a terrible panel. Really takes away from the whole enjoyment of tuning to watch hockey. A true low in nhl broadcasting.

[@Kfunk83]

Bring back cherry

[@PatFrenchLeafsFan1]

Have him scream like Trump.

[@Kfunk83]

@ 😘

[@PatFrenchLeafsFan1]

@@Kfunk83 Like yelling this out. "I think you're a nasty wimp! Lemme tell ya!"

[@genekrobel4707]

Bieska... joke.

[@cchapman7101]

I can't take Jennifer Botteril. One of the lefties that is ruining the game. Get her off

[@aydee3909]

She needs to leave HNIC - she's ruining it.

[@jays2035]

no shes not. grow up

[@aydee3909]

@@jays2035 Yes she is. You grow up.

[@cheltenjones3215]

People respect Trouba? Hilarious.

[@brianstuble3400]

She needs to leave all sports commentating. She’s so damn annoying. Always has a boring story for every player that is playing. No loss.

[@HorganBlatt]

Bruh, be real. Your issues is the fact that she’s a woman on a hockey panel, not with what she’s said. Hilarious that there are so many triggered hockey bros talking about how she doesn’t know shit when she’s both a far better player and more knowledgeable than any of the arm-chair “I coulda made the big league if it weren’t for…” bros in this comment section.

[@jays2035]

@@HorganBlatt -yup. brians manhood is harmed.

[@brianstuble3400]

@HorganBlatt give it up bud. She’s not gonna read this and you don’t have a chance with her. Quit trying to score points with her? Have you seen any of her telecasts either on ESPN or TNT? What does she bring to the table? Horrible stories of interviews she’s had with the players. Provides nothing in the forms of color commentary. Never said I could’ve gone pro in anything other than pulling my taffy but sure. Go ahead and think that.

[@kaymatthew6812]

Cherry got fired for less than

[@04tsxpower]

Bieksa is like a child he has to be right. Zero respect for Jennifer. What a clown

[@mikiinnovation3699]

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[@geedubb-q1u]

Rogers and their DEI hire. Let her have a staring role announcing, doing colour, and everything else when the women’s season starts. Leave her the hell away from the Men’s game.

[@JohnGambini-ov7gf]

Boterill is nauseating. She ruins the show

[@blainekerfoot6870]

Dive