Jesus: Truly Man AND God?

[@genesis1_20]

“Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.” ‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2‬:‭5‬-‭8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

[@philtheo]

This is merely a taste to whet the appetite for Craig's entire systematic philosophical theology! 😊

[@simonline1194]

I, for one, just can’t get enough of all things Judeo-Christian theological, especially the Nature of God and His Incarnation. Simonline🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🤔🙏😃👍🇮🇱

[@The_Lord_has_it]

And the more i get, the more this world falls away. 🙏​@@simonline1194

[@philtheo]

@@midlander4 What you said would be an argument from design (teleological argument). But Craig isn't really known for this argument. At most, he uses a version of the teleological as part of an overall cumulative argument for theism. Craig is best known for his kalaam cosmological argument. That's where he's done his most serious philosophical work, which is in fact widely recognized by secular academic philosophers, though many obviously would take issue with certain parts of his argument. So that and his work on the nature of time are probably the two most "Craig" arguments that again are widely recognized and interacted with my secular philosophers around the world. Just search the literature on your own if you don't believe me.

[@BiblicalDhiman]

On my channel, I interviewd Dr Stephen Wellum from Southern Baptist Theological Seminary and he EXPLAINED this question more profoundly.

[@WorldCupWillie]

It doesn't matter how "profound" you might think it is, it doesn't explain away the contradiction. A man by definition is limited. For example, man isn't omniscient and Jesus admitted Yawhew knew information that he didn't. God, by most definitions IS omniscient. So, Jesus can't know everything and not know everything at the same time, because that's what it would mean to be 100% man & 100% God.

[@parsaeye]

@WorldCupWillie As remarked elsewhere, Jesus' deity must have been limited by his humanity. Hence his statements to that effect in the Gospels. There is a crucial reason for this that relates to Messiah's other saving mission.

[@WorldCupWillie]

@@parsaeye that doesn't address my objection. If Jesus isn't omniscient, then he isn't 100% God. Sorry.

[@parsaeye]

​@@WorldCupWillieYour objection is illogical: how can a human contain the infininity of the Creator God?!

[@BiblicalDhiman]

@@WorldCupWillie, the doctrine of Incarnation helps to understand the humanity and divinity of Jesus. If you are truly a seeker then you must study the doctrine of incarnation and here Dr. Craig touches that.

[@somethingtothinkabout167]

Would God's coming to dwell in the temple necessarily limit Him?

[@evangelistpatrik]

Jesus is Lord!

[@skepticsinister]

No it ain’t. That simple.

[@bawahtanah4705]

So the god mortal?

[@drcraigvideos]

If by mortal, you mean Jesus had a body that was capable of death, resulting in the separation of body and soul, then yes. If by mortal, you mean Jesus ceased to exist due to bodily death, then no. - RF Admin

[@noneofyourbusiness7055]

It requires some serious emotional investment & desperation to believe 1+1+1=1. Then again, we already know Low Bar Bill will believe this nonsense against 1:1000000 odds, as long as there's a single piece of evidence, and even if evidence as a whole contradicts his preferred belief. Billy felt special with an emotional experience of conviction, and promptly buried his epistemic bar... also, remember that the virgin birth thing almost certainly popped up from a misreading of translated original text.

[@The_Lord_has_it]

Also remember the slightest detail makes it all fall and yet every piece of archeological evidence ever produced evidenced the Bible to be true. Every prophecy ever written (some 500-100 years before the actual event) that came to pass also down to the slightest detail. Present day NDE's while attempting to dismiss them as a brain starving for oxygen fail to explain one knowing what is happening in the next room, or across the country or even the color of a tennis shoe on the roof of the hospital. Not a few, but thousands. And now quantum physicists are investigating evidence of life after death thru experiments with substructure in the brain called microtubules.

[@noneofyourbusiness7055]

I'm never not impressed by the emotional investment & gullibility displayed by the religious, parroting every long-debunked apologist talking point without a second of fact-checking.

[@petersubbiah]

1 what? 1 apple?

[@noneofyourbusiness7055]

1 Jesus who is god + 1 holy spirit who is god + 1 leather daddy who is god = 1 god. If it doesn't work with apples, it shouldn't work with jealous entities without a brain.

[@Owen_Hi]

​@@noneofyourbusiness7055You're misunderstanding the Trinity. It's not 3 beings making up 1 being. That wouldn't make sense. It's 3 persons making up 1 being. This is still confusing but it means your math equation doesn't work.

[@AndrewsArt78]

"I never would have done that if I was God." Perhaps that's why Christianity is the truth.

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

Which _truth_ is presented in Christianity?

[@conversative]

@@Theo_Skeptomai What do you mean by "truth"?

[@justinjustin4605]

Doesn't the Bible teach though that Christ's spirit is in fact the Holy Spirit?

[@simonline1194]

Yes. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God [YHWH] and since the Father and the Son [NOT Jesus of Nazareth] are both YHWH then the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of both the Father and the Son. When Mary conceived it was the Holy Spirit Who overshadowed her but the Messiah/Christ is the son of the Father rather than the Holy Spirit. In the Great Commission (Matt.28:16-20), the Messiah/Christ promises that He would always be with His disciples even to the end of the age (Christ in us, our hope of glory (Col.1:27)) but the Messiah/Christ could not achieve this whilst here on Earth. He had to return to His Father so that He could send His Holy Spirit to indwell each and every one of us, not just being present with us collectively (Jn.16:5-16). Simonline🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🤔🙏😃👍🇮🇱

[@redblaze8700]

Religion is one hell of a drug

[@The_Lord_has_it]

Yes, and Jesus Christ is the cure.

[@redblaze8700]

@@The_Lord_has_it A religion being the cure for religion is the dumbest joke I've ever heard.

[@petersubbiah]

Drugs cure diseases...

[@JadDragon]

Jesus lives ♥️ and is God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑

[@JadDragon]

@@midlander4 Yes, praise Him 🙌🏻

[@skepticsinister]

No it ain’t, it’s that simple.

[@JadDragon]

@@skepticsinister yes it is, it's that simple. Praise the Lord 🙌🏻

[@JadDragon]

@@midlander4 The Triune Lord: Father, Son and Spirit. Amen. Jesus Lives ♥️

[@JadDragon]

@@midlander4 @midlander4 The Triune Lord: Father, Son and Spirit. Amen. Jesus Lives ♥️

[@TrumpCantRead]

Such nonsense

[@duncanbryson1167]

👍 and I haven't watched it yet.

[@petersubbiah]

How?

[@Konoshinobi]

Jesus is one Person but has two Natures. Emphasis on one Person (mind or soul).

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

How did you determine this Jesus is a _reality?_

[@Tobi_237]

@@Theo_Skeptomai Study [sincerely and carefully] the gospel accounts of Jesus of Nazareth! And do a conceptual analysis on the words specifically used to describe Jesus, especially as seen in John’s gospel. The earnest conclusion stated above is just what follows from such an endeavour.

[@simonline1194]

That is oxymoronic metaphysical nonsense. It is the Second Person of the One Tri-Personal Divine Creator, YHWH (Ex.3:14) [the Son] Who, as incarnate, simultaneously exists as BOTH Divine Creator [YHWH] AND human creature, Jesus of Nazareth (Matt.1:21). This is why the Messiah/Christ (NOT Jesus of Nazareth) is called Emmanuel - God with us (Matt.1:22-23). Jesus of Nazareth is a finite human creature. YHWH (and YHWH alone) is God (Isa.43:11) but the Messiah/Christ is BOTH. Yes, Jesus of Nazareth IS the Messiah/Christ but there is, quite literally, infinitely more to the Messiah/Christ than just the finite human creature. Simonline🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🤔🙏😃👍🇮🇱

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

@@Tobi_237 So you're not aware of any _actual_ evidence that this Jesus was historical or is now a reality. You simply and blindly accept the source of the claim. Is that fair to state?

[@Tobi_237]

@@Theo_Skeptomai Okay? So by “actual evidence” what exactly do you mean by that and what does that look like?

[@WorldCupWillie]

Christianity where 3 = 1 😂

[@petersubbiah]

3 what?

[@WorldCupWillie]

@@petersubbiah the Trinity

[@parsaeye]

Another troll who goes around Christian channels and pesters the participants. Ignore him!

[@WorldCupWillie]

@@parsaeye it's not really trolling to point out the logical incoherence of the Trinity doctrine. Especially when some Christians tell me I can't "justify" using logic without the Christian god.

[@duncanbryson1167]

​@@parsaeye Calling out 🐂💩 isn't trolling or pestering. The ridiculous is open to ridicule. Craig gets away with his 🐂💩 because he has bearing and gravitas. He comes across as learned and erudite which, along with his educational (partly "educational" 🙄) background impresses some people. That is those who are unable to see through the nonsense.

[@tauhidershadKUFNAFLORAN]

He ain't.

[@Konoshinobi]

According to Genesis 1:20-25, some animals have souls.

[@CtRacerX]

There is nothing of the sort in Gen 1:20 -25, but good try

[@Konoshinobi]

@@CtRacerX Go read again and do proper exegesis. Reminder: the Bible was not written in English.

[@Dosor72]

How can animals have souls if God didn't breathe life into them?

[@Konoshinobi]

@@Dosor72 You're erroneously assuming that God breathing into Adam provided the soul whereas the Bible states it rendered the soul alive. That is, causing the soul to be in connection with Life Himself. It doesn't say Adam become a soul, it says Adam became a living soul.

[@Konoshinobi]

@@Dosor72 The exact same word for soul, nephesh, is used for the animals mentioned in 20-25.

[@williambeckett6336]

He's lying to you. Substitutional death makes no actual sense until you realize the jesus tale was concocted to replace the Yom Kippur sin forgivness ritual which became impossible in 70 CE when the temple was destroyed.

[@petersubbiah]

What happens when a human dies?

[@Terabapu3156]

He is God in flesh🇺🇸💪✝️

[@Terabapu3156]

@@midlander4 like you life?

[@skepticsinister]

No it ain’t, it’s as simple as that, meaningless nonsense that is totally useless in the real world.

[@Terabapu3156]

@@skepticsinister you god allah stole divine titles of Lord Jesus Christ

[@Terabapu3156]

@@midlander4 coward what do you believe

[@parsaeye]

Jesus' deity must have been limited by his humanity.

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

Are you asserting this Jesus is a diety?

[@parsaeye]

​@@Theo_SkeptomaiNot asserting, but affirming a theological truth! Spell check?

[@simonline1194]

No! Absolutely NOT! Divinity CANNOT be limited in ANY way. God is REALITY in the Absolute sense. This is why God is Infinite, Eternal and Immutable. The way that God Exists at any one point is the way that He Exists at ALL points. This is why the Son had to take on a SECOND finite human nature in order to incarnate as the finite human creature, Jesus of Nazareth whilst REMAINING in Existence as the Infinite and Immutable Divine Creator, YHWH. This is why the Messiah/Christ is called Emmanuel - God with us (Matt.1:22-23). Jesus of Nazareth IS the Messiah/Christ but there is, quite literally, infinitely more to the Messiah/Christ than just the finite human creature, Jesus of Nazareth. Simonline🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🤔🙏😃👍🇮🇱

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

@@simonline1194 test

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

@@parsaeye Are you aware of ANY _evidentiary facts_ that demonstrate this Jesus is a deity or even historical? Yes or no.

[@simonline1194]

I believe it is the Second Person of the One Tri-Personal Divine Creator, YHWH [the Son](Ex.3:14;Jn.1:1) Who is God, NOT the human incarnation, the human creature, Jesus of Nazareth (Matt.1:21). The Messiah/Christ [i.e. the Son] is both Divine Creator [YHWH] and human creature [Jesus of Nazareth] but YHWH is NOT human (Num.23:19; Jn.4:24) any more than Jesus of Nazareth is Divine (Lk.2:52; Jn.1:14; 14:28; Gal.4:4; Heb.2:17) but the Messiah/Christ [Both YHWH and Jesus of Nazareth] is Emmanuel - God with us (Matt.1:22-23). Yes, the finite human creature, Jesus of Nazareth, IS the Messiah/Christ but there is, quite literally, infinitely more to the Messiah/Christ than just the finite human creature, Jesus of Nazareth. This is why, for example, Paul makes no explicit reference to Jesus of Nazareth in Col.1:15-17 because Paul knew (knows?) that Jesus of Nazareth had absolutely NOTHING to do either with bringing the Creation into existence or sustaining it in that same existence. It was the One Divine Tri-Personal Creator - Father, Son and Holy Spirit Who exclusively brought the Creation into existence and sustains it here. No finite creature (including the Messiah/Christ as human) had anything to do with the Creation. Such a belief is Mormon heresy?! Simonline🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🤔🙏😃👍🇮🇱

[@skepticsinister]

Whatever, who cares about this fiction.

[@simonline1194]

You will when you stand before the Messiah and have to give an account for your life. Simonline🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🤔🙏😀👍🇮🇱