Jim Chapin Speed, Power, Control, Endurance Instructional Video

Jim Chapin Speed, Power, Control, Endurance Instructional Video
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The timestamp on this video:
02:08 - Intro
05:16 - The difference between french and german grip (3 motions vs 1 motion)
09:59 - Moeller Technique
12:38 - Down Strokes
14:17 - "Say you got a car..."
15:32 - Moeller Technique explain Down/Tap/Up
18:23 - Develop Control (Strange strokes)
20:29 - J Burns Moore Technique (Karate Chop)
25:42 - Develop Control (Soft strokes)
29:03 - Develop Power
32:53 - Posture
34:27 - Exercises Moeller Technique
37:08 - Stop at the Top
38:03 - Develop Power (Bridge Position)
41:03 - Develop Control (Elbows movement)
42:59 - Exercises Sheet (Page 1 - example A)
43:36 - Exercises Sheet (Page 1 - example B)
44:09 - Paradiddle Exercises Sheet (Page 2 - example A)
44:34 - Paradiddle Exercises Sheet (Page 2 - example B)
45:34 - Exercises Sheet (Basics in sheet)
46:48 - Paradiddle Exercises Sheet (Page 3 - example A)
47:20 - Paradiddle Exercises Sheet (Page 3 - example B)
47:40 - Paradiddle Exercises Sheet (Page 3 - example C)
48:29 - Paradiddle Exercises Sheet (Page 3 - example D)
49:43 - Pull-Out Concept
54:20 - 3 stroke roll
54:43 - 4 stroke roll
54:57 - 5 stroke roll
55:30 - Ruffs Exercises Sheet
57:18 - Explore the Techniques
57:52 - The position of the thumbs
1:00:17 - Hold the sticks
1:03:19 - Variations on Traditional Grip
1:05:43 - The end (You really must see this)

[@hanbo123]

"*_It proves how many things you can probably discover for yourself, by not being caught in what I have to say or what anybody else has to say. So think for yourself. And if someone shows you something that’s good, believe it. Or discard it. But examine it._*" There's something awesome about guys in the WWII generation, of which Jim is a part. Clear, uncomplicated, and no-nonsense. Great stuff.

[@MetricMod]

I’ve used this Master’s work since I was a kid in the high school jazz band. Within a few weeks I noticed that my playing had changed so much that I became addicted. If I didn’t take on his books and work I would have never left my small hometown and done music for a living for 30 years.. a legend, a gentleman, a scholar and a beautiful human being. I haven’t watched this for YEARS and YEARS. It’s a great revisit. Thank you for posting ❤️

[@MikeCeritto]

Hey man. I've been a drummer for 30+ years. Jazz band, rock band all that. I have a question; Why do these guys always play/practice on pads? Like there is a big difference between an acoustic snare skin vs pads. Like even if they turned off the snare buzz it would be more relatable.

[@patrickwickett1787]

@@MikeCeritto Philly Joe Jones also recommended practicing on drums and not a pad, but I think it's also important to consider the development of technique. You can spend a lot of time on a pad that you can't necessarily at a kit. And when you apply it to the kit, you have the technique. Just a suggestion. Peace

[@XENOX449]

@@MikeCeritto probably trying to prevent hearing loss or being able to be heard while talking to the camera

[@boomerguy9935]

@@MikeCeritto I've been playing drums since the 60's, jazz since the 70's and one thing I have learned is not to limit my learning environment. I am 75 and I am still learning. Do not leave out anything that helps you learn. Whatever works, use it! You may find that are missing something. Whether or not you like or use practice pads is up to you. However, I practice with a practice pad with sticks. I also practice on bare heads with and without the snares on with sticks, rods and brushes (all shapes and sizes) with and without listening to music. I also practice with different cymbals at different volumes. This requires many different touches. Open up to more learning experiences. Try something new and different. You may like it.

[@maxmoon2254]

Around 6:30 he says “it’s part of the stuff I’m still learning.” The consummate teacher knows he is really just an expert student.

[@markdemell3717]

This old dude is good , real good.

[@fm00078]

Ever since I was little, I always went to the older folks for info & advice. Still did decades later. After all, they learned many ways to get 'X' done, I'll learn those & the shortcuts. So here I am, in my 60s still looking for older folks to learn from. Only problem is, those older folks are ALL DEAD! But alas, we now have the Internet and this myriad of videos uploaded so the world can reach & watch at a moments notice and enjoy and/or learn from (2 thumbs up). If I was able to drum as fast as Jim Chapin, you would swear I had 8 THUMBS UP! REALLY BIG THANKS Jose!!!+! (8 thumbs meaning, 8 thumbs up)

[@MrWomax]

Well, now, you're the older folks younger ones go to for brain picking :)

[@juancaraya3033]

"Think for yourself, and if somebody shows you something that's good believe it or discard it, but examine it".......

[@BlGGESTBROTHER]

Great life advice.

[@PeaceLoveDrumsticks]

juan c araya a quote that transcends drumming or music in general.

[@MrBTBusch]

@@PeaceLoveDrumsticks Yup

[@brandonkain9231]

One of the best sayings ive ever heard

[@willbrown1910]

Yes aye

[@absoluteunit8628]

He is so excited to teach. I've never heard of this man, but his ability to hit that meditative focus is very, very dedicated.

[@MrBTBusch]

IKR

[@Lightman1964]

I took a lesson with Jim when I was a kid and studied with Dom Famularo. Two great people with a true love for drumming. I recall Jim being a very nice man.

[@joserosapercussion]

Jim was an awesome human being y Dom is now taking the rightful place of Jim as one of the top teachers in the industry.

[@Pharesm]

You are a lucky man...

[@almizanalawal]

Very lucky indeed. Congratulations !

[@martyolone6140]

WOW‼️ You are a lucky man👀. I hope you still have your sticks❗️

[@xbeast666]

I'm an Australian Drummer and I studied with a man named Jack Savage, he was from New York and moved to Sydney Australia in 1971. He use to tell me lots of stories. One was he was very close friends with Him and he said he hasn't spoke to Jim in a while, it was getting close to the 4th of July, I said maybe U should ring him on the 4th, sadly Jim died that day.

[@oldelectronics70]

A true Jewel lost in the ocean of the web. THANK YOU SO MUCH Jose for posting this, Jim is being greatly missed.

[@joserosapercussion]

Thank you Andres for your kind words. Jim Chapin was a very special part of my life, he showed me how to play jazz the right way also his wisdom, kindness, and guidance helped me to become what I am today. He is truly missed.

[@joserosapercussion]

I want to invite you to subscribe to this channel.

[@oldelectronics70]

@@joserosapercussion thanks. I just subscribed to your channel.

[@joserosapercussion]

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[@tonym994]

@@joserosapercussion as long as this tape exists, he's still w/ us, teaching. I play guitar, but find this fascinating.

[@YouzTube99]

For those who didn't notice the resemblance (and last name), JIm was father to singers/composers/humanitarians Harry and Tom Chapin.

[@t5k313]

nice thanks

[@ericdreizen1463]

I met him at Local 47 & told him I was a big Harry Chapin fan & he nodded, like he'd heard it B4! VERY nice guy! Much missed!

[@MrBTBusch]

Wow. I didn't put together . Thanx

[@Darrylizer1]

I googled Jim Chapin before I read your comment and just found that out. Looking at Jim I really see the resemblance to Harry and Tom. Fun fact!

[@glytch5]

What he said at the end there is huge. Even if you aren't great at drumming... or any instrument it really doesn't have to be about that. Its about making music.

[@jamesian-allen8725]

Joe Pocaro hipped me to the mysteries of moellers' and chapins' technique...p.i.t 91-92...and i was an apt pupil. :)

[@KitCatStudio]

This is the best video on KZbin. you can delete all the rest

[@Six3rdy]

Wait, wait, wait, wait!!! 😱 Ain't nobody saying all that, now! We still need Eric Moore, Rob beat down Brown, the 80/20 drummer, Steve Jordan, and many more. Lol. I agree that this should be a featured video. But we gotta keep the rest. Lol.

[@patrickwickett1787]

@@Six3rdy Rob beat down brown does have some dope vids. My dude Stanton Moore too

[@keithhart3212]

56yrs old and still learning from masters. Thank you Jim Chapin and friends\family. What a treat...

[@joserosapercussion]

Our pleasure!

[@luiscalvillo6926]

Thank you for a priceless gift 🙏💥🙏

[@brunocazaban-mazerolles5504]

A wonderful kind and passionate teacher...

[@tomelbourne5294]

Why haven’t I heard if this guy before ? He is amazing

[@c0ns1d1ne]

I was lucky enough to attend a masterclass with Jim in the 90's. He needed a stick to walk but his hands were blindingly fast. A gentleman and a legend.

[@bengough6772]

Same but mine was around 2004. He walked out with a stick, all old and I (arrogantly) remember thinking that this can't possibly be good and...dude, first drummer to blow my mind. His hands were so quick, so elite and I humbly listened to him for several hours

[@dmcubing6342]

What a treasure this video is!!!!

[@thinktank8389]

Now on 5th hour learning again. Going to be a long journey!! Its actually enjoyable. Cheers, anyone else doing this for first time? Are you having fun?

[@peterguidera7845]

This is an amazing video - I've only seen parts of it before, so never knew how detailed Jim Chapin and Moeller were.

[@alexisleigh6193]

As a beginner this is incredible. Thank you.

[@joserosapercussion]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@media5698]

Thanks for posting - I just got a new set after a 30 year break and I will be using this video for sure. Never heard of this guy but I like him already - reminds me of my grade 9 percussion teacher - very straightforward and clear instruction.

[@s34cea75]

I'm fairly young and quite new to jazz drumming and music in general and I must say thank you to the uploader because this is an absolute gold mine. I subscribed and I cannot thank you enough for sharing this slice of heaven

[@pdxfunk]

Man... thanks for posting this whole thing! What a gem. This guy is such a legend.

[@rafalvarezsevilla]

that's the best video for drummers ever!

[@giancarlogiul9527]

For me the best Video on hand tecnique

[@kevinharrah2260]

Gee. How amazing.....No words

[@kevinharrah2260]

Unreal the amount of knowledge just gained from this vid while 90% of his drum set sits in the background......shew

[@drumkick2315]

Sometimes, his hair is wiping as well. Really cute

[@drewanderson7175]

What a treasure! Seems like a super cool guy

[@joserosapercussion]

He sure was a super cool guy. Very humble and a great teacher, he is missed everyday.

[@MrFazerus]

Thank You Very Much. Wish I seen it 16 years ago, it answers all my questions that I had to learn the hard way. Anyway its nice to get confirmation from such a drum beast. Mr Chapin for me became One of the greatest drummers in just a few minutes of this video, humble hardcore skill;)

[@Raphaeldrums]

Always cool to see it again!

[@andrekunkel1520]

Great teacher.

[@BartovaBartova]

A drum teacher that doesnt pretend im stupid

[@soulintake]

A drum teacher that doesn't pretend to be humble!!!

[@brianwhitney5441]

Joe Morello and jim are great drummers and teachers.

[@jamesconnors5653]

Thank you.

[@THEADSALESPRO]

All I can say is - Daaaaaamn

[@oz_medias]

Back when men had style enough to wear a shirt, tie and jacket to play drums.

[@gumhkawngla3612]

In early 70s in my country, young ppl who played contemporary music got called hippy street gang persons, my mum would reject all hit songs I pkayed, I protested a lot to her, now you see this guy wear like gentleman suit 😂 I wish mum could see drummers aren't gangsters.

[@brunocazaban-mazerolles5504]

I agree 200 % with you...

[@rbtz07]

I bought this VHS tape as a teen when it was first released. It used to run all day and night in my bedroom. Chapin is a master...

[@ede6539]

I'm new and that's what I'm doing he's a legend and I'm gonna absorb it all!

[@devinw9088]

One really cool thing about Chapin is that he only started playing drums at age 18! It just shows you that you don't need to be a child prodigy starting on the kit at age 2 to get really good. You just gotta freakin practice hard and practice the right stuff!

[@paulcrown3754]

This is the holy grail of technique, look at the age of Jim and the power speed and ease he plays with.

[@Juandrumx]

Great post Jose. How are you brother? God bless you...I'm still learning, thank you for your lessons,🥴👍✝️🇵🇷🇨🇺🇺🇸🥁🎶

[@joserosapercussion]

All good

[@FatherGapon-gw6yo]

If I see this guy do one my triplet I am going to poke my eyes out

[@LimpBizkit999]

Please don’t ever take this down. This is by far my favorite lesson on YT.

[@ellisweiner6405]

It's not entirely accurate, but it helps to think of the rebounds and the control of them as being like dribbling a basketball. The stick is the ball, and you're capturing it after the bounce and sending it back. What's different is, after the main bounce, you get another tap, and then your're "dribbling." Jim is pretty eloquent in this.

[@nealsausen4651]

No, that’s an excellent analogy. My teacher FRED GRUBER tought, this very same concept many decades ago to me when we were developing my wrist and fingers think of the stick that’s the basketball and the drum head is the court or the floor. When you dribble a stick you control the intensity, the impact the rhythmic flow etc. but it takes a minimum of force to do this…. If you do it right!

[@BassMecca312]

The late Jim Chapin. I remember going to a drum clinic in North Miami, Fla, with a 1 drummer/friend and my guitarist/sister however, I don't remember the name of the Drum store sponsoring the clinic. This was in the late 80's. It may have been one of the now defunct Resurrection Drum locations. I can tell you that as legendary as this man is/was, there were only a handful of people at this clinic. Including store personnel, myself and a few others maybe 10-12 max. I'm primarily a bass player, & play other instruments, and I love to be around and talk to drummers. This clinic was beneficial to me because Jim's ideas in terms of presentation, technique, achieving control, using your power to make statements at the right time were invaluable.The principles can be applied to any instrument as long as you understand how to apply. I didn't even know what the 'Moeller Technique' was until Jim broke it down at the clinic. Definitely blown away by the 1 & 1/2 hour of knowledge and experience at that time. I cherish this particular time in life because as you can see from this instructional, Jim was a fabulous teacher, patient, and as "Greg+" mentioned below, consumate. He taught and theorized as if there were 150 enthusiastic new drummers in the room. Not to mention a very classic type of guy. A little over 90K views? Unfortunately that's saying a lot about today's culture. For a lot of young players, they want it fast. Not flashy or blazing enough for some, but I guess teaching never really is. Music theory is important to any musician and you should have a really good understanding of the fundamentals, myself included. Thank you for your contributions to the drumming world and music as a whole_ Rest in Power Jim Chapin.

[@Phoenix2772]

Broooo i remember Resurrection Drums especially the main one off Bird Road... took lessons there when i was a kid now im 29.. amazing times 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@coryburris8211]

Sometimes it takes a while for any KZbin video to break through to a wider audience. I just became aware of this over the past weekend.

[@SinclairLott]

Thanks very much for posting this. His sign off is pure gold. "Some of the best players I know really can't play the drums very well...but they play music superlatively well....Think in terms of how do you relate to other musicians. How does it feel to them when you play? Do you make them happy? Do they make you happy?

[@brianmoore493]

I clicked because I thought it was bill Clinton. Now thoroughly impressed

[@MridulSehgal-t3e]

😂😂

[@paulj0557tonehead]

Born in 1919 Jim Chapin died 19 days before his 90'th birthday in 2009. All those 9's sound like a drum exercise.

[@weareallbeingwatched4602]

Timing is everything

[@TGUlricksen]

This is a teaching style that is very classy and intelligent, seems very rare these days.

[@emluzsee1]

Loved watching this lesson!

[@joserosapercussion]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@carlosreismusic9813]

Tk very much for this!!!

[@vmail19]

My god ... i love everything about this man! What a teacher and so humble!

[@dynasticlight8706]

We, are blessed to have what Jim left Us here. Stop listening to bangers at Geeetar Centa , They abuse the priveledge to sit behind a Drum or hold sticks.Then throw the Sticks all over the floor. Take a header.

[@Isaiah54V7]

Interesting at the end of the video when he wants to play at higher speeds the finger technique kicks in

[@edoardozampetti4601]

I'm now starting to study this technique..unfortunately late..better late than never.. because with just wrist work I can't play fast and clean.. w Moeller drumming treasure and w Chapin

[@guitaryeti4040]

This guy is old school and his presentation is jam packed with exhaustive technical information. I'm not even officially a drummer but I love the way this guy teaches. Thanks for posting. Cheers!

[@drums5785]

This may be the greatest thing I've ever seen

[@waynewoodz]

Back to the basics.. I needed this

[@Mfusionhq]

I’ve been teaching myself for 1 year and practicing on my pad almost every day After watching this I realised how important it is when playing matched grip to have absolute symmetry between left and right Literally started just playing L R L R L R L R L R again found a major floor in my Left hand and corrected it All of the sudden it felt absolutely satisfying and balanced This video has taught me a major lesson and I’m so glad it was uploaded Thank you so much 😘😘😘🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@tonycarpenter-Makzimia]

It's a hard pill to swallow doing such basics. I went back to basics about 2 months ago after playing 21 years. I discovered playing slow and precise with heavier marching sticks on a gel pad has taken me to a new level. Each day (in addition to about 3 hours of normal playing) I play 10 mins on the pad morning and evening. Matching precision is the key.

[@ralphonofrio1518]

I still teach this stuff in my classes,also the books he wrote are so great,In 1948,the first book became biblical to jazz drummers.The independence is eye opening..A true genius of teaching..

[@lattmusic]

Fantástico material...muchas gracias por compartir

[@MrBTBusch]

OMG. This man was a Nation Treasure!

[@tjroy]

Seen this b4. What an amazing video. Dom Famularo i kno that voice anywhere Fun fact. One of Jim Chapins sons is Harry Chapin, of the Cats & the Cradle with a Silver Spoon fame I use all kinds of sticks for various things but i will tell you BIGGER STICKS BRING EASIER REBOUNDS. ITS P U R E. P H Y S I C S. & DCI knows this & is why those boys & girls use tree trunk sticks

[@justhadrums]

39:52 on this vid is all I can do as of now

[@jerrynoc7128]

This is a great video, Thank you for posting. Just got done about 45 minutes of practice. I am going back in.

[@joserosapercussion]

Wonderful!

[@drummer78]

I remember this VHS at drum shops (remember those?). I probably gravitated to whatever current rock drummer had a drum instructional VHS but if I was smart, I would have bought Jim Chapin’s video. I was so image conscious then, an older man in a suit was “not drums” to me then...what a fool was I.

[@paulconrad7649]

Greatest drum instruction video ever! And what a great guy! Love his car analogies. A regular “Joe” with extraordinary talent.

[@ikarooz]

The best hour, nine minutes and forty-five seconds I've ever spent, behind a set of sticks. I especially appreciated "I'm still learning."

[@vovkin1001]

I would like to see how to accent 2nd and 3rd beats using Moeller techniques.

[@popejoejet8404]

Anybody else catch the audio guy's name? 1:08:55

[@NeddyRich]

I am almost 65 yrs old now - and I just love an old fashoned personality like this JIm who is a true expert from the old days. This was greatly appreciated and I will be going thru this treasure of drumming techniques here for a long time.

[@marcdemell2987]

I just recently learned of this man ,how did he go under my radar?He explains things clearly with no jargon.

[@coryparsley3946]

My music school teacher got to play 2 gigs with this guy

[@t3hgir]

"the stick has no significance" deep

[@marceibel1131]

Thank you so much for posting this...R.i.P Mr. Jim Chapin

[@Noah-gq7pq]

is there more of an advantage to play traditional grip than match grip

[@Daniel-wp8fq]

I bought this dvd a while back, the single best drum dvd I’ve ever owned. be sure to check out his books too, particularly “advanced techniques for the modern drummer” it will open your mind to a world of percussive possibilities. No shit 👍

[@gracegeek4678]

C'mon dude. Can't we just trigger some samples? Learning is such a drag!........ I'm kidding, but sadly too many others aren't

[@brandonkain9231]

The stuff in that book is so hard to play...ive had it for a long time...im not a jazz drummer....but u will def develop some amazing independence....

[@markdemell3717]

Then one can shift gears and become a pro.

[@darkoanton5]

These days most kids are not taught techniques. It all about pretending that they are 'rock stars'.

[@timothybrannigan]

Best drum lesson ever. Thanks so much!

[@colinferguson2134]

Jim Chapin fantastic what a gentleman and master of the drums ,thank you.

[@ralphonofrio1518]

My good friend, mentor,and teacher.....I learned more from Jim in 9 lessons than any other teacher I ever had.I studied with him 50 years ago, and still teach this method.

[@drumduder]

Ralph Onofrio one degree away from moeller himself. Very cool!!!

[@valvac5250]

Say between which fingers the grip of the stick is carried out. Thank you.

[@hansoloist9756]

Maybe you should watch the whole thing before talking for nothing

[@stalliec]

Jim Chapin! His Advanced Independence book was a must for anyone wanting jazz chops when I was coming up. I had a whole winter in Alaska coming up and knew I'd have shedding time so ordered it in 1979.. It came in the mail and I had that booklet, a pad, and a whole Alaska winter in front of me. Opened to the first page and was blown away at the difficulty - in fact I thought it was impossible. Decades of study in that little booklet - it was a rite of passage for so many jazz drummers. What a treasure this is. Thank you.

[@sierramodre1]

Truly mind expanding; thanks so much posting Jose

[@mat4410]

Jim and Elvin Jones had teaching studios above Ippolitos music shop in NY. Frank did all sorts of magic to sets. Buddy Rich said he wouldn’t play a set unless Ipollito worked it over...same with Steve Gadd.

[@BoyanBonzyGeorgiev]

You can build you hand technique only from this DVD!!! I have it but it’s a lot easier to show it to someone when it’s the full video in KZbin! Rest In Peace!

[@joserosapercussion]

That is totally truth, this video is basically the first lesson you used to get with Jim. It was so helpful, he showed me the correct way to use Stick Control as the author intended and many other things to develop speed, power and control. I want to invite you to subscribe to this channel.

[@BoyanBonzyGeorgiev]

Jose Rosa Drums and Percussion Studio just subscribed to your channel, subscribe to mine if you want I have some cool upcoming videos. Once again big thumbs up for Jim Chapin, love this guy! :)

[@MrBTBusch]

Agreed

[@Pharesm]

Is it mandatory to look like a distressed robot burning up his processing unit while doing it? Regardless of the unavoidable pun, this guy is really great and awesome to listen to! He teaches excellent technique with superb clarity of explanation and demonstration! And after his closing statement, you just wanna give him a big fat kiss :D - Additional bonus: He can perfectly match the sound of a blown tire on my car at 120 mph with just two wooden sticks!!!

[@gavinremedios7953]

Every drummer should watch this, Mr Chapin is a genius, with just the droop of the wrist as he states I now can comprehend Moeller, the light just went on so excited.

[@DrSFJones]

Same here.

[@johnsin3843]

What a treat to listen to a gentleman teacher who is skilled yet humble.

[@TheTayedrums]

this guy is old old school..a humble-excellent teacher and listener...any student could enjoy being under his teachings,,,old school is still very good school....i could have learned a fortune with this teacher...and i'm learning now (smile),,,love his words of telling us all to not only to be a technician but to also be a player/listener,learner of music

[@thinktank8389]

Thank you. At 52 I'm learning all over. Very exciting and fun. Buddy Rich used this method for speed. I'm learning all over!! The CORRECT way. Cheers. Honestly, this video rendered my favorite drummers (Buddy, Neil, Max, etc.) As obsolete. This is TRUE fundamental drumming.. I'm Happy to learn all over a new.

[@puffinwrangler7557]

I have that blue book! Really great to see and hear its (famous) author for the first time; totally inspires me to dive back into his book with the respect it deserves. Thanks for uploading this video.

[@danday6852]

"Advaned Techniques for The Modern Drummer" is amazing!

[@BrandonTownsend]

His book “advanced techniques for the modern drummer” is phenomenal. I have gone through that book so many times, and there is still room for improvement. It is one of my go to books when I practice.

[@excismos8056]

I'm not a drummer but there's something very relaxing about this video.. ASMR?

[@andymetalive7031]

An hystoric document, very important and foundamental for every drummer: a great man and musician but above all, a great and modern teacher! Many thank for posting this video!!! For any generation of drummers present and future of any technical level. Future generations will have an indispensable document with this video. A remarkable video-document available to humanity. Thanks again!!

[@yourdrummer2034]

R.i.p. Sir! You have taught me more than I realized watching this for second time in many years! You are a huge inspiration!

[@Freddy-Da-Freeloadah]

@21:00 Great video and I am only 1/3 done! I work with my hands and I have found what Jim is calling the "French" and "German" timpani grip is a killer for me. I avoid this (I call it "Thumbs Up") and even sometimes move the fulcrum all the way back to my pinky finger for shuffle rhythms.... I work with my hands and only play drums in church on Sunday.... It was a learning experience. My hands can get pretty sore during the week. I was taught the "Whip" method as a teen, but then became fascinated with the grip used by Ginger Baker. But I had to stop that "Thumbs Up" business... Really you can't stop, as Thumb Up is useful on ride cymbals, but I keep it limited. IMHO

[@marcdemell2987]

I have to start drumming again ,it's been 25 years since I played .My old 4 piece is just sitting there .

[@elliottsmiles170]

Did you start again?

[@baax]

A couple of years ago i dragged my old Tama out after a 10 year break, i'm now playing better i ever have before (which is still average lol) but I am loving it.

[@danmeredith6354]

I am a rock drummer who plays regular beats.. I am hard pressed to do these super bounce techniques...Its something I believe takes months or even years to accomplish......I WISH I had the patience to do all this!

[@chrisscarfo8832]

Lol....super bounce tech

[@stalliec]

Man it REALLY is worth it in rock drumming -- so for example if you're playing a shuffle or even 16ths on the high hat with one stick - this method will really help you.