Jim Edmonds is one of the best center fielders to play the game. When the Cardinals acquired him from the Angels, I went nuts. Everyone else was talking about how he wasn't a team player, bad influence in the clubhouse, but I knew EXACTLY what we were getting, and that was a spectacular fielder that had good power too.
@carbajal82838 жыл бұрын
One of the prettiest swings I've ever seen.
@StlCards617 жыл бұрын
carbajal8283 him and Griffey top 2
@jjp92307 жыл бұрын
carbajal8283 Robinson cano is on the list too
@jjp92307 жыл бұрын
I had no idea he played on that many teams.
@polishtheturdmickelson54736 жыл бұрын
JJ P, I didn't either and I consider myself a good baseball fan when he played.
@froey1980336 жыл бұрын
carbajal8283 between him, Griffey, Will Clark and Robinson Cano. They all have sweet swings. They make it look so effortless.
@um527 жыл бұрын
Whenever I think or hear of Jim Edmonds I think of one of the greatest defenders of all time.
@futuregohan48376 жыл бұрын
Edmonds Was Also Known For His Terrific Offensive Skills
@jakepatt42208 жыл бұрын
Only needed the pirates to complete the Central Division haha but will always only look right in a cards uniform
@daviswilliams2014 жыл бұрын
It is an absolute crime that this man isn't in the HoF. He made so many iconic plays. His offense was well above average. His game-winning HR is game 6 of the '04 NLCS was amazing and his catch to save the game the next night made him a legend in my eyes. His defense was absurdly good. I don't understand how someone who is an EIGHT TIME GOLD GLOVER could just be cast aside the way he was. Either way, STL will always love ya, Jimmy!
@crystalgouge65462 ай бұрын
He has a 132 ops+ and 8 gold gloves. I don't know what's keeping him out of the hall. You can't tell me freaking Harold Baines is a HOFer, but Edmonds isn't, Edmonds has almost 30 more career WAR. What are we doing?
@Kreege5 күн бұрын
Jim Edmonds being excluded from the hall is a huge robbery. He is eligible for consideration from the veterans committee in 2026. Hopefully they do the right thing.
@rockerboyka947 жыл бұрын
I miss the triple threat of.edmonds, rolen and pujols
@ZUCK666US7 жыл бұрын
and dont forget ricky sanders!
@SurviventheOnslaught7 жыл бұрын
murderers row
@ksa51286 жыл бұрын
Hairi what a great comment
@jackson51166 жыл бұрын
Reggie Sanders. Larry Walker was in there for a time too, but Edmonds, Pujols and Rolen were consistent through the early/mid-2000's.
@polishtheturdmickelson54736 жыл бұрын
Yeah that was brutal for a few years.
@Maudogg188 жыл бұрын
Jim Edmonds was a beast!
@futuregohan48376 жыл бұрын
He Makes It Look Easy On Defense And Offense
@poooky3217 жыл бұрын
The fact that this guy fell off the HoF ballot after the first year is an absolute joke. He should be in on his defense alone. When you look at his offensive numbers in St Louis its staggering that he couldn't get enough votes to stay on the ballot.
@jackson51166 жыл бұрын
got the shaft because it was St Louis. Baseball writers hate those from St Louis. Hell, even Joe Buck hates St Louis, and he's from St Louis!!
@katiemangiagli38785 жыл бұрын
This also happens to many Astros and guys like Curt Schilling. They've let guys in who did roids without question. Look at Ozzie Smith... for some reason, he got into the Hall of Fame. Or look at Albert Belle, he deserved to get some votes, but did not. It's political. How does Mussina get in over Schilling?
@alb44775 жыл бұрын
Damien Thorn Ozzie Smith is the best Defensive SS of all time man.
@alb44775 жыл бұрын
-bias cardinal fan 😂
@alb44775 жыл бұрын
If there were ever a case to be made that someone should be let into the Hall on defense alone Ozzie is a great example.
@metalmanalishi6 жыл бұрын
Jimmy Ballgame always played with heart . Love all those quality highlights and I know from watching him play with the Cardinals that there were plenty more . His performance in the 2004 NLCS vs. Houston was spectacular .
@tredagrate36865 жыл бұрын
TOTALLY UNDERRATED........ THE DUDE WAS COLD WIT THAT GLOVE...
@jimstephens75187 жыл бұрын
We've gotta keep making noise about this. It is insane he isn't on the HoF ballot.
@froey1980336 жыл бұрын
Jim Edmonds was the man and yet it's like no team wanted to keep him. He was one of my favorite players and loved watching him rob people of hits.
@smp-vn3pc2 жыл бұрын
I grew up in LA Dodger fan but also baseball fan I used to watch and listen to Jim Edmonds play for the Angels he was amazing
@raymondraymond37817 жыл бұрын
is it me or does it feel like Edmonds should be in the hof because I know for 8 years he was top 3 cf in the game easily
@mochzac4 жыл бұрын
100% he should be. One of the best defensive players to ever play the game!
@josephhale91984 жыл бұрын
He was better than any centerfielder he played against. Name a better centerfielder past 25 yrs defensively
@treybear81744 жыл бұрын
If he would’ve got to 400 HRs they would look him over more closely but baseball is 2 things reputation and numbers....
@AV573 жыл бұрын
Y Marina, Jones was also great defensively, but for my money I’d rather have Edmonds in my centerfield. The guy played so shallow that he robbed tons of hitters of cheap little singles, while also being able to go back and catch just about any ball hit deep to center. Jones played a much deeper center field and had better range to the gaps, and a superior arm, but I’m willing to bet that in the long run Edmonds’ strategy saved more runs than Jones’ did. The runs saved stat doesn’t accurately account for wildly different strategies, so I kind of throw that out the window in this case. And as far as hitting goes, give me Edmonds’ best 8 years over Jones’ best 8 years. That being said, I think they should both be Hall of Famers.
@AV573 жыл бұрын
Edmonds deserves to be in the Hall. Playing center field is, perhaps, the toughest way into the Hall of Fame. Guys like Mays and Snider set the bar so damn high that now any center fielder that doesn’t produce like them is seen as a poor hitter. It’s odd, because centered field is one of those position any head manager will sacrifice hitting for defense, yet the writers don’t seem to grasp that strategy when voting. The writers expect center fielders to hit like left fielders and first baseman, and then pay very little attention to their fielding. Edmonds was legitimately among the top 5-7 center fielders ever in terms of hitting over a 10-year period. On top of that, he won several gold gloves, was a leader on a team that always competed for a World Series and had several huge playoff hits, throws, and catches. But the writers didn’t care about that. All they saw was that he came short of 2,000 hits.
@notphilivey3 жыл бұрын
Jim Edmunds belongs in the HOF. His offensive numbers are way better than average for a centerfielder, He was the premier defensive centerfielder of his generation. He belongs.
@tommcconville677Ай бұрын
Absolutely Edmonds belongs in the Hall, agree. Much better centerfielder than that popgun Puckett light hitter and barely above average range in center field. The pity party voted him in. Puckett couldn't hold a candle to center fielders of the day like Ken Griffey Jr. and Edmonds. Right an egregious wrong and elect Jim Edmonds to the Hall of Fame.
@jagartharn63613 жыл бұрын
Im a Cubs fan but Jim Edmonds was always one of my favorite players even before he was a rental that one year. Pretty mad how he fell off the ballot, for most of his career he was one of the best 2 way players out there.
@matthewfrey2807 жыл бұрын
Should be in the Hall of Fame!
@fito656 жыл бұрын
He wiil be soon, because was one of best players I have seen
@jackson51166 жыл бұрын
he's not on the ballot anymore, he didn't get the minimum needed his first year, so he's been dropped. His only chance now is through a committee who chooses guys like Whitey Herzog to put in, because they feel the voters made a mistake.
@polishtheturdmickelson54736 жыл бұрын
Great player but not HOF worthy.
@Garrett12405 жыл бұрын
@@polishtheturdmickelson5473 8 gold gloves at center and 400 homers isn't HOF worthy?
@Garrett12405 жыл бұрын
@Y Marina Curious, why are Gold Gloves overrated? Edmonds is universally regarded as one of the best OFers in recent memory and without question one of the greatest defensive CFers in the game's history. He's tied for 4th most Gold Gloves by an outfielder in history and apparently has more wall-climbing and diving catches in CF than anyone since the invention of the television for what it's worth, according to a number of baseball statistics websites. He made the difficult plays look routine and had a flair for the dramatic as he owns a number of the most lauded and famous catches of not just his era, but all time. I think he deserves to just make the Hall.
@maxsmiley71913 жыл бұрын
honestly, maybe the most underrated player of his era, it seemed like every night he was a making a great catch and he could rake, plus his peak years are dominant, he was not somebody that just compiled stats because of a long career. If he was a Yankee, yikes!!! he needs to be in the Hall
@Bughy22365 жыл бұрын
As a lefty this dude was my idol growing up
@titansfan42152 ай бұрын
I really wish he was in the HOF. Growing up a Cards fan watching Edmonds in CF was such a treat. You always felt his presence on the field and in the lineup. Unbelievable catches, incredible throwing arm, high baseball IQ, solid power hitter, showed up in big postseason moments. Cheers Jimmy 🍻 ⚾️
@kjcaroway3184 Жыл бұрын
Jim Edmonds is my favorite baseball player of all times. Gave my family and I some of the best 2 way player moments during his days as a St. Louis Cardinal. Miss those days and put him in the HOF
@donaldleider73824 жыл бұрын
Are the writers out of their minds? Get this guy back on the ballot!!! Jim Edmunds had a rock solid major league career for 17 years. I’ve been watching baseball over 55 years and he’s made catches other centerfielders wouldn’t even attempt, defensive genius, and a great hitter and a complete player. Jim stacks up very well against outfielders who are in the HOF. He merits serious consideration and I think most baseball people( players, coaches, managers and GM’s) would say he belongs in the HOF.
@thomasdeitsch84052 жыл бұрын
I'm a reds fan but I loved watching this guy play. His defense was out of this world.
@shanesnell10492 жыл бұрын
At 50 seconds….. greatest catch in the history of baseball. To track that down, back to the infield, going over your head, keep a bead on it as it’s going straight away from you versus it coming at you…..literally the greatest catch of all time.
@patrickmelhorn90956 жыл бұрын
He deserves to be in the HOF
@jackson51166 жыл бұрын
He should be in Cooperstown, the writers shafted him because he had success as a St Louis Cardinal
@futuregohan48375 жыл бұрын
Before Becoming A Cardinal He Had Been An California/Anaheim Angel
@Tigerpuffer7 жыл бұрын
5:06 he got jammed and still hit it a mile. What a hitter
@joshfrench52752 ай бұрын
Jim Edmonds is and will forever be my favorite ball player
@aeroman4life8 жыл бұрын
Hell yes. Edmonds is pure excellence. Sucks that he won't be in the hall of fame. Damn sports writers. It should be former managers and players voting.
@jackson51166 жыл бұрын
he could still get in with the veteran's committee. They put Whitey in, didn't they? They could put Edmonds in, but we'll see.
@krizza0525 Жыл бұрын
My favorite center fielder of all time!!!! Edmonds was a total stud!!!!
@etchosts81626 жыл бұрын
Greatest catch ever
@smp-vn3pc2 жыл бұрын
Yup I was a little kid when he made that cath with the Angels if that's the one you are talking about I was watching live on KCAL 9 the old Anaheim station
@burtmacklinfbi88245 жыл бұрын
I like how he almost played for every central team, lol but he’s always gonna be remembered a cardinal!!
@travischapman84914 жыл бұрын
I am still mad that my favorite player of all time didnt make the Hall of Fame!!! He was an absolute amazing player
@cards19857 жыл бұрын
Great player.
@gossard568 жыл бұрын
I don't get it. Offensively he stands as one of the best center fielders of all time. Then you add in his off the charts defensive abilities....and he is off the HOF ballot after 1 year?!? I'm not saying he's a no brainer or first ballot HOF, but he matches up so well with the CFs that are already in the HOF.
@TexasPsychoK8 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I wonder how guys like Albert Belle(robbed of two MVPs, and 2 or 3 all-star appearances)leave the game with injuries at the age of 33, Bagwell, Kent and guys like Edmonds have trouble getting in when Jim Rice, Frank Thomas, and liabilities on defense and on the bases get in. Guys like Trammel, Edmonds, Rolen who played both sides of the field should easily get in. Certain guys have gotten regardless of PED rumors(Piazza and obviously Henderson.) Ozzie Smith is in, but couldn't hit for shit. And I'll take Larkin in his prime over him on defense. And Trammel of course... the dude could hit but was slowed by injuries. Vlad the Impaler and Bagwell have to make it, but they're busy talking about Rollins belonging while Kent, Whitaker, Trammel, and others just get forgotten. I'm guessing that Utley and Kinsler will have trouble unless they can put a few 35 homerun seasons to end their careers, haha. If Pettitte and his 3.85 career ERA, 1.35 WHIP, 2.37 k/bb ratio gets in... wow. Schilling belongs. I thought that Biggio was a first ballot hall of famer, but goes to show what little I know.
@ThatWiffleGuy7 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna have to disagree. He's a great player but I don't think you can put him the same conversation with DiMaggio, Mantle, Mays, Tris Speaker, Ty Cobb...etc. The center fielders in the Hall right now, including the ones I just named are some of the best hitters EVER to play the game. The problem in Edmonds case is that he's not even the best hitter of his time. Yes, you can say he was arguably the most defensively inclined (although you will get a run for your money from the Griffey fans) but its very hard to make the Hall of Fame on that alone. Unfortunately Edmonds was never finished better than 4th in MVP voting, hit over .300 just 5 times in 17 seasons, and actually for all of his Gold Gloves he allowed -7 Defensive Runs Saved. Edmonds was a great player yes, but he just doesn't stand up against the greats as you suggested.
@jimmyp45107 жыл бұрын
lol you don't have to be one of the greatest players ever to be in the hall. You're comparing edmonds to dimaggio and mays like only players of their caliber were inducted. In that case, there would be like 30 players in the HOF. Ozzie only batted .262 his entire career, and he still made it in with his amazing defense. Meanwhile Edmonds had spectacular fielding, a great average, and could easily hit 30 homers a season, and for some reason he's not in.
@ThatWiffleGuy7 жыл бұрын
gossard56 The last time I checked you actually do have to be one of the greatest players ever to be in the Hall of Fame sir. That's why it's called the Hall of FAME. It's not called the Hall of "Pretty Good". Again I'm not taking anything away from the guy I just don't believe he stands among the all timers.
@jimmyp45107 жыл бұрын
Make a trip to baseball reference and check out some HOFer's stats. Not everyone has a .320 career avg with crazy slugging...
@hey12358y5 жыл бұрын
Argue WAR and whatever, but never seen a guy that came close to matching the graceful artistic nature of Edmond's game. Guys piled up more numbers, but no one ever looked more like SuperStar Baseball player than Jim Edmonds swinging the bat. Once-in-a-lifetime ability. Ought to get the Hall just for how Incredible he looked playing baseball/
@Peppyroni2472 жыл бұрын
So underated, great ball player
@zachkatona94216 жыл бұрын
Holy crap Jim Edmonds almost had his own NL Central tour! Cardinals, Cubs, Brewers, and Reds. Wow!
@frankiefiggs18148 жыл бұрын
That catch at 0:46 is the BEST CATCH OF ALL TIME
@ryanklauman24167 жыл бұрын
Frankie Figgs yeah exactly.. you said it right. But for some reason the Hank Aaron catch will be the greatest of all time. that catch has nothing on Jimmy's.
@polishtheturdmickelson54736 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I have to agree with you for a non playoff catch.
@kdonovan2215 жыл бұрын
Frankie Figgs I agree
@polishtheturdmickelson54736 жыл бұрын
The Boys, nice video thanks for putting the time to post it. He was the best imo who knew where the ball was going after it left the bat.
@fito656 жыл бұрын
Future HOF, awesome player.
@jackson51166 жыл бұрын
he's off the ballot because he didn't make the needed vote his first year, so it's up to the veteran's committee to put him in, voters won't be.
@larryholstein79253 жыл бұрын
Edmonds should be a hall of famer, one of the best defensive outfielders ever
@blessd2410 ай бұрын
Jimmy had such great swagger. I love how he moved playing the game.
@davidhackett71062 жыл бұрын
He put one on the right field roof at Tiger Stadium. Ever since then I watched him when I could.
@johnkitners93863 жыл бұрын
Two of the most St. Louis things ever....a Ken Wilson call and a Jim Edmonds catch...
@TwiceButt6 жыл бұрын
the king of the backwards-facing diving catch
@closrod88563 жыл бұрын
One of the prettiest homerun swings.
@Stach234 жыл бұрын
There's few things I love more in baseball than Jim Edmonds as a Cub.
@bbigjohnson0697 жыл бұрын
The catch at 0:40 is still the best I've ever seen. The last HR was the last at bat of his career. Too bad he couldn't get 7 more to get to 400 HR's.
@aholmes74ah4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely best catch I've ever seen
@cobragang2546 жыл бұрын
Love his swing, outfield range & the hustle around the bases.... five tool player shoulda been in HOF..
@GregsGameRoom15 күн бұрын
I wish the Cardinals had brought him back for one final season. Love Jimmy Ballgame!
@claytondusauzay67454 жыл бұрын
He definitely made his rounds in the NL Central towards the end of his career. Had no idea he played for so many teams.
@shanecurlee26927 жыл бұрын
so underrated
@MAMP8 жыл бұрын
Those catches!!!
@owenex93 жыл бұрын
“He is a weird dude but a good ball player” - my dad
@chrisj67734 жыл бұрын
I grew up watching edmonds play for the cardinals. I never knew he played for the reds. I knew about the angels, brewers and cubs though.
@petenrita3 ай бұрын
Will Clark, Steve Garvey, Jim Edmonds. Natural superstars who should be in the Hall.
@ron883032 ай бұрын
After reading about HOF voting process and who the voters are; it's as much qualitative as it is quantitative. Doesn't mean they don't get the majority of them right, but they make some big errors, too, both in who they put in and who they leave out.
@yunghanhuang81882 жыл бұрын
he should be Hall of Famer
@ron883032 ай бұрын
After reading about HOF voting process and who the voters are; it's as much qualitative as it is quantitative. Doesn't mean they don't get the majority of them right, but they make some big errors, too, both in who they put in and who they leave out. The voting process for Gold Gloves is also interesting, and in a way slightly diminishes the award.
@mannymarrero27352 жыл бұрын
Absolutely GREAT player!!!!
@jsage54 жыл бұрын
This guy was hitting pops ups to left center in Wrigley Field for home runs. Even he had a surprised look when he would hit one. Gave the Cubs a great year and they didn’t resign him.
@tooshmart66694 жыл бұрын
Big part of my childhood
@dj_6ix20two62 жыл бұрын
Jimmy had true POP! No lower body movement, just grown man strength
@vicjose3 жыл бұрын
What a sweet swing
@DAVID-fh5ck4 жыл бұрын
0:28 My Dad Rest in Peace
@rosslongoria47727 жыл бұрын
He went from the Cardinals to the Padres to the Cubs to the Brewers to the Reds and back for one day to retire with the Cardinals. Crazy that he bounced around with almost all of our division rivals like that.
@jackson51166 жыл бұрын
because he had so much success as a Cardinal, all these rival teams saw him play and wanted him.
@frederickglass15835 жыл бұрын
We don't speak about his Cubbie days. That's high Heresy around these parts...Just like no one speaks of J-Hay anymore in STL
@dj_6ix20two62 жыл бұрын
This man had absolutely zero disregard for his body. Respect
@matthewbush23713 жыл бұрын
Jim edmonds is greatest outfielder ever
@danzemacabre88996 жыл бұрын
clutch hitter,dynamic fielder,only injuries keeps him from HOF.he in my opinion,should be in the Cardinals HOF
@Billbert338 жыл бұрын
Great hitter and fielder
@lynnerose78912 жыл бұрын
I did not know that he played for so many NL Central teams!
@nathanhill7233Ай бұрын
How is this man not in the Hall of Fame?!
@efrainortiz62513 жыл бұрын
I know Griffey Jr had the sweetest swing ever but Jimmy was not far behind. Such a smooth all round athlete
@cedericocosantorini80138 ай бұрын
Griffey Jr did not field as good as Edmonds, by a very very long stretch.
@michaelalvarado33798 жыл бұрын
one of the best I've seen in Anaheim! at the big A
@acornsucks21115 жыл бұрын
That last clip where he hurt himself was the last time he played. HR in his last ab.
@ladiesman1ate75 жыл бұрын
He played for almost every nl cenral team
@bigbassmaster962 жыл бұрын
He played for every team in the NFL central besides the pirates. that tells you the teams he played the most new how valuable he was. HOFer for sure
@scottweber22976 жыл бұрын
That’s messed up. Dunno who put this together, but how you gonna have any Edmonds highlight reel without his game 6 game saving catch in the playoffs?
@patricknoonan36102 жыл бұрын
Smooth swing.
@papadaddy11033 жыл бұрын
Damn! He played for every Central team but the Pirates.
@Thesavagemeister773 жыл бұрын
One of the biggest monsters to ever play the game.. no doubt
@ORagnar2 жыл бұрын
He's played for a lot of teams!
@noahdaub-evans91268 жыл бұрын
If Edmonds had stayed healthy I think he had a chance to be in the HOF
@futuregohan48376 жыл бұрын
Edmonds Would've Easily Had 600 Career Home Runs
@charlespiatchek81722 жыл бұрын
That why I call jim superman Edmond
@gabrielbullard2698 жыл бұрын
+MLB Extras I like your homepage
@rickwenthe95024 жыл бұрын
Jimmy Ball Game hit ,500 when he made contact he did love to swing great CF . Played shallow and ran to it.
@BjtheLawyer_2 жыл бұрын
I remember watching him as a kid, wanting to hit a walk off home run
@kdonovan2215 жыл бұрын
Harold Blaine’s is in but Edmonds isn’t that is a crime. I’m calling 5-0
@kyokogodai-ir6hy3 жыл бұрын
Harold Baines.
@williamelkins50342 жыл бұрын
Man almost play for the whole NL Central
@jackfentress02812 жыл бұрын
Edmunds was a stud
@gabrielbullard2698 жыл бұрын
Nice video
@mlbextras94768 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@tomhopkins39982 жыл бұрын
Sweet left-handed swing, an animal instinct prowling centefield.....
@deiradinn4 жыл бұрын
Edmonds should be in the HOF
@kendrahwhyte99604 жыл бұрын
He's not human!
@nathanhill7233Ай бұрын
In the 90's and early 2000's you either wanted Edmonds or Griffey in center. With all due respect to the other center fielders, though two men could go get the ball.
@chrisrivers60744 жыл бұрын
Spiderman in the flesh... My guy
@juncruz62668 ай бұрын
hes deserve be in the hof
@ron883032 ай бұрын
After reading about HOF voting process and who the voters are; it's as much qualitative as it is quantitative. Doesn't mean they don't get the majority of them right, but they make some big errors, too, both in who they put in and who they leave out.
@josephhale91984 жыл бұрын
He was just as good as Ken Griffey jr. ! Defense and offense!!! 💯💯 plus Edmonds has a ring!!
@jagartharn63613 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind Griffey played his prime in the king dome with Edgar Martinez and ARod. Edmonds was definitely better defensively over a longer period of time.
@blakepettys283 жыл бұрын
You can’t call it a complete highlight list without his 2000 NLDS against the Braves
@jorgebellidodeluna64148 жыл бұрын
playing a game at miller park cubs vs astros?
@rvhx72138 жыл бұрын
Yeah I can't figure out why they were playing there
@DepressedTwinsfan8 жыл бұрын
+Team Rvhx they had a rain delay some where in chicago
@carterschultz36668 жыл бұрын
+Black Guy Emoji in Texas
@chifanpatt8 жыл бұрын
+Team Rvhx It was because of Hurricane Ike. Zambrano threw a no-hitter during that series.
@milobaseball39528 жыл бұрын
+Black Guy Emoji thanks buddy I was wondering why CHC&HOU were playing at Miller Park.
@oldmanandthed2934 Жыл бұрын
I think sometimes an entire (or most of a) generation misses seeing excellence in the game, when other obvious things are holding their attention. That's the only reason I can justify in my own head why Jimmy E. is not in the HOF. The only other lefty that I felt a lot of times was ever-so-slightly late on a pitch on PURPOSE, because they knew the ball jumped off their bat to the opposite field, was Darryl Strawberry... baseball afficianados will know what I mean by that. He was a pleasure to watch. Hope he gets in via the Veteran's or some other committee. Nice trip down memory lane.
@ron883032 ай бұрын
After reading about HOF voting process and who the voters are; it's as much qualitative as it is quantitative. Doesn't mean they don't get the majority of them right, but they make some big errors, too, both in who they put in and who they leave out.