Jim Jefferies - Why UK's Healthcare Is Better Than USA

[@jamgart]

The interviewer was desperate to make the uk sound bad. We are far from perfect. But give me a 3 week waiting time for my skin condition and cops that are trained to de-escalate a situation over bankruptcy and death by police any day.

[@TheLastCrumb.]

Too right.... and they fail to say that if your skin is that bad then you'll be on priority appointment. But then again Americans probably run to the doctor for a foot blister😂 whereas we only go when you actually need to. I watched an interview and an American woman was complimenting the nhs which was refreshing... but her reason for using it was a migraine which she'd suffered with through her life..... just go to bloody bed and don't use up nhs time with a bad headache... just to get pills which you can buy from asda

[@stevec6427]

British cops are "generally" pretty decent. I can get out of a speeding ticket by using my best sorry face and not arguing and I don't even have boobs. I have been arrested and they treated me as a human and didn't shout & scream at me and point weapons at me, they realised I was drunk and being an idiot and would probably just need to sleep it off in a cell, they even made me a cup of tea in the morning.

[@grammarnationalistpartylol6301]

Cops aren't trained to deescalate 😂 they don't even stop real crime. All they do is chaperone drunks. Weed is illegal and class b, yet, they allow it and don't arrest people with small quantities. So it's a law but they choose not to enforce it. What other laws do they choose not to enforce, let's see.. Electric scooters are allowed to roam all day everyday in the capital. So are off road electric bikes. Drivers don't ever signal like they should, or at all (even though not using your indicator is a fine and points on your license). It's a mess of a city and a country. I've got more examples but brits are a weird bunch. Repressed, quiet, cold, conservatives.

[@JoseAndCode]

Youre not black, you dont got none to worry about in murica

[@slimblu1]

Long live the NHS...It's not perfect , the waiting list for certain procedures is long but if you're unfortunate enough to be in a life or death situation, the emergency service will ask what your blood group is before asking for your insurance info, regardless. As a Brit who pays National Insurance on my earnings I feel so lucky to have this system in place. Also we do have private healthcare (Bupa etc)

[@revbenf6870]

I wake up every day glad I don't live in the "greatest country in the world". Our nhs is not perfect, but having had a heart attack and stroke in recent years, the care I received was superb. I listen to some US commentators and wonder what planet they are from!

[@JoseAndCode]

Stay there

[@robertlangley1664]

Well we all know most Americans come from another planet they are not the full ticket

[@revbenf6870]

@@robertlangley1664 harsh and unjust, I feel. No need to make it personal and insulting.

[@robertlangley1664]

@@revbenf6870 yes I know but it’s true ,but they cannot call themselves civilised society when poor people can’t healthcare or can’t afford to call a ambulance ,but can spent more on arms then the rest of Europe put together

[@readmylisp]

Anybody's healthcare in Europe is better than American pharma's American version.

[@elvisisacorpse]

British police treat the populace with way more respect than American cops do, they don’t just try to make arrests. When I was in London I saw two guys get in a fight and the cops were called and made each guy walk in opposite directions down the street. They broke up the fight but they didn’t ruin anyone’s life by arresting them and causing them to miss work and get fired because they were in jail, or prevent them from getting a new job because they now have a criminal record.

[@szqsk8]

Al Something As a US citizen, I can say that the police in this country have used 9/11 as an excuse to amp up their aggressiveness towards everyone they come across. They think they are playing military but they are not trained military (at least not all of them). No civility. They are aggressive as soon as they arrive at a situation which escalates everything from the moment they arrive.

[@Dazzxp]

Depends really, they can get aggressive but only if you push them. I have been out drinking and people would go out of the bar for a smoke and won't be let back in as they are closing, and they would demand to be let in to the bouncer who will refuse and ask them to leave. Which they would refuse cops show up about 2 minutes later asking what's happening, of course asking the person soba (bouncer) first is the best way to find out the situation the police would then ask the guy to vacate the property and you will get some stupid person who will refuse then they grab the pressure nerve slam their face on the bonnet of the police car and handcuff them then throw them into the back. They get a criminal record for drunk and disorderly and a night in the cell before being let out the following morning when they are soba. Also we do have police with weapons SA17 aka armed police (basically like the SWAT Team) that will show up if police believe there is a danger to life and weapons are involved they typically carry G36 assault files and a glock 17 side arm. You see these normally at major international airports now like Manchester and London since 9/11

[@fionagregory8078]

@@Dazzxp sober*

[@will4may175]

@@Dazzxp Here in my little town in Lincolnshire UK, some guy had an airsoft sniper rifle and had been threatening kids from the window, armed police raided him lol, I had just finished work and was walking towards the police van, just as I was getting there, 3 coppers walked out carrying guns, one of which was the sniper, although their guns looked more like MP5s like in CoD games, but they did have attachments on so might be something else.

[@tigertiger1699]

Funny how yanks can’t get they’ve got it wrong

[@fionagregory8078]

Yes

[@tigertiger1699]

Fiona Gregory Hi, should I say.. to me anyway..., Ive never lived or use medical in the US.., live in NZ .. & used med in Aussie .. both universal & reciprocal.., easy n works... all out of our taxes.. no bill when ya sick etc👍

[@rogergreen9861]

They myth of exceptionalism runs deep. They still think that they beat the Nazis and it wasn't the Russians at all ffs.

[@girlsdrinkfeck]

because usa is controlled by the 1% rich, the 1% rich control democracy

[@bigoldgrizzly]

Funnier still is watching the dumb fools !

[@Kaiserbill99]

If you went to see a doctor in the UK with a dermatological issue and the doctor thought it was something serious then you would not be put on the waiting list for treatment. The urgency of treatment is key.

[@grammarnationalistpartylol6301]

Totally wrong. They misdiagnose people all the time, and also don't take symptoms seriously. I've got plenty of horror stories, some from me, many others from friends and colleagues.

[@Kaiserbill99]

@@grammarnationalistpartylol6301 Then you are questioning a GP's or a number of GPs' competence not the system. But I have heard no-one question the level of training of UK GPs. The US is the only developed nation I am aware of without a universal healthcare system and I don't believe the UK's is as good as Germany's for example. But life expectancy in the US is lower than any other of these developed nations. Your anecdotal evidence really does not change the argument.

[@madpete6438]

Same deal in New Zealand - it ROCKS. I ran a saw through my hand and had 6 hours of surgery to reattach tendons and nerves. They even grafted the top of my little finger onto the end of my middle finger.... I had to pay for the parking and nothing else. Also had a Broken Clavicle plated (and then un-plated when healed) and got paid 80% of my wages for the time I could not work. Our taxes are about the same as what are paid in the USA - I suspect that there is much lying done about healthcare in the USA.

[@asacarrick1440]

But NZ doesn't go around bombing people...that can use up the tax dollars

[@jasbindersingh2441]

You can be on holiday in britian and they'll fix you up , it doesnt matter whether you're a tourist and they'll still fix you up.... What matters is you are an Australian Australia and the uk have reciprocal cover that is the key. As a brit I've been to a couple of aus doctors , as a tourist and it didnt cost me anything , same for you the other way round.

[@Dazzxp]

Just to add salt to the wound, you can go to a doctor or go to the emergency room in Russia they will xray your leg, provide pain reliever, fix your leg up and put it into a cast and it costs nothing either, even if you are not a Russian citizen. The US is the only modern nation that doesn't have a proper universal health system. Never been to the US, but i have heard that the ER in the US is where people without insurance go too to get their meds without costing a fortune or for minor injuries which makes me wonder. why?... isn't this a huge waste of money and resources for trivial things and increase the waiting time. which i guess where the comment came from which i laughed so hard "i gone to ER and the line was so long the guy in front has a musket wound". If doctors are paid for like the NHS through tax then minor injuries can be treated by you local doctor without interfering with ER that can focus on patients with critical injuries or require urgent attention. It's no wonder the US spends 17.1% of their GDP on health care because you have skilled doctors doing trivial things, and then all the paperwork with insurance companies and working out the care plans in what they cover. I think US doctors did a poll and 60% of their time is taken up doing paperwork while the NHS is like 7% and the US pays 50% more let alone what people pay for with their medical insurance.

[@SleepySeel]

They treat anyone. Its one of the reasons there was so much propaganda that health tourism hurt the nhs so badly in the past decade or so. Health tourism costs us about 1.8 billion a year from the nhs budget, which is much larger to be fair. I think they recover about 200 million from other countries that compensate us. Still, its a fair few nurses wages or a decent pay rise for the rest of them.

[@ruadhagainagaidheal9398]

CANZUK all the way !

[@leonbrooks2107]

In the UK we know that if a person is getting treatment before us it is because they are more in need rather than they are simply wealthier than we are. If someone was to go in to the Dr’s with a skin complaint that was clearly in desperate need of treatment then they would be instantly referred to the hospital who would normally be made aware the patient was coming.

[@grahvis]

Tax in the UK might seem to be higher but when it comes to healthcare, US citizens pay per capita, about double that paid in the UK.

[@richardpoynton4026]

Also,they pay fees for healthcare but it’s not called a tax

[@BigBadLoneWolf]

@@richardpoynton4026 Yeah, they never add the average cost of healthcare to the tax, plus they are still required to make a payment, even with insurance which is the main reason for bankruptcy's in US

[@sprogg2001]

That's what blows my mind they pay 2-3 times more and receive no better treatment for it. Stay safe America one day you too will have healthcare better than the third world.

[@eddoyle4849]

If its life threatening you will be seen immediately otherwise you may have to wait, people will never risk losing their homes or being left with a debt that they will never be able to pay off

[@jjsmallpiece9234]

The NHS healthcare isn't free, its paid for by taxes. However it is mostly free at the point of use/demand. At least you know you are very likely to get acceptable medical treatment, more likely excellent medical treatment. NHS over US insurance system any day.

[@jannikmeissner]

In Germany, its also pretty bad if you turn up without an insurance card, and the public insurance fees are almost as high as my UK NI and Income tax combined on the exact same salary...

[@kevoconnor145]

We may pay 4-5% more in each tax bracket BUT, we have the 1st 12.7k tax free, so the tax is only applied after that 12.7k is earned, we DON'T have separate State & Federal taxes & we don't have to worry about co-pays, plus, whatever tax we do pay, we are FULLY covered. The average Brit pays far less per annum for full Healthcare than the average US citizen does for even 80% Healthcare.

[@kevindavis3615]

nhs is the best care in the world yes there is problems but i would not change it

[@warriorclass1040]

Then it's not the best is it?.. what a dickhead comment.. it's the best with problems . Listen to yourself Its convenient, simple, and decent..with huge challenges.. far from best in the WORLD.. Dubai and saudia arabia has the best free healthcare in the world.. thou it maybe jus free if you have citizenship... run on oil money.. FACTS!

[@kevindavis3615]

@@warriorclass1040 o yes it is we dont ay for a thing if were sick

[@warriorclass1040]

@@kevindavis3615 not paying for something doesn't mean it's the best.. you idiot.. other nations have better free healthcare and services than the UK. Leave the country and you might learn outside your little bubble

[@corvus1238]

@@warriorclass1040 ooooh you're a little triggered aren't you?.

[@brennancattermole3898]

@@corvus1238 That escalate quickly😂

[@alexrobert13]

Fundamentally it seems to me to boils down to this - Have you gone into medicine to save life or to make money? It’s not mutually exclusive, but just seems like the insurance companies are out to make money at the cost of life! I strongly recommend people watch Michael Moore’s Sicko as hard has explained it more eloquently than I can or ever will!!

[@kerensabirch5214]

A three week wait for a specialist would be e dream in the UK. I had to wait nearly 8 weeks for an MRI scan and many more months for a specialist for my back problem when I was over there. He then referred me to another specialist so it took nearly a year before I got appropriate treatment. We may have to contribute to costs in Australia but I've been able to get an MRI in half an hour here without an appointment.

[@kingleonidas6092]

Maybe you had a bad experience because I've always had immediate MRI and x rays etc

[@garettjames6349]

The tax in the UK is a bit higher on AVG than America depending on the state, but, it's not because of healthcare. Universal healthcare is actually much lower cost than the American private system. A fiscal conservative should prefer it.

[@latestagelarper]

i think it goes, "the guy in front of me had a musket wound but he was dying of old age"

[@Sou1defiler]

Oh you mess with a bobby at your peril let me be clear with that. Treat them with respect they will respect you. Disrespect them you're gonna regret it.

[@daneelolivaw602]

Don't dare, don't dare even consider, knocking a coppers helmet off, you ain't seen nothing like it, they go bleeding mad, arm's flying all over the place like squidly diddley, it is terrifying.

[@michaelfarnham8261]

To pay for the NHS all tax payers contribute a small amount out of their salary. In all honesty you would not even notice the deduction. When you are of pension age you do not pay for your prescription. I have had in my time a heart attack, type 2 diabetes, surgery to remove a disc between the 3rd and 4th vertebrae. This has cost me nothing, where would you live if you were in my shoes?

[@whiteturbo2405]

Smashed my pelvis, its held together with titanium plates and over 30 screws, Top specialist sorted it, and it was filmed and used in his presentation that winter in America. Was in hospital for six weeks. Cost in UK Zero, estimated cost in America 1/4 million $. I don't even have a limp(except when I try to run for the bus)BUT they are now deliberately running the NHS down, waiting times can be as long as 18 months, especially since Covid!

[@adrianh332]

My friend from Oklahoma was charged $130 for three baby aspirin as part of treatment for a suspected heart attack, when you have that sort of appalling corrupt behaviour going on then your system is totally broken. The NHS is very far from perfect and sometimes really bad but at least if I require complex treatment I'm not in any danger of insurance get out clauses and going bankrupt and losing my home as a result. America has the best doctors and surgeons in the world bar none but one of the worst healthcare systems.

[@DavidKing-jx3sg]

Similar system in Australia, we used to have free university education too

[@whiteturbo2405]

In the 80's we had free university education and free adult education. I think Blair got rid of that, Fucking warmonger twat!

[@nomadsteve5297]

It’s not tax it’s national insurance that we pay from our wage every week

[@paulbakerma61]

Can I ask what may seem to some like a daft question but do American’s pay for the fire service? Just want to be clear if ambulances are the only emergency service you pay for? I find the US system to be heartless but I’m unclear just how far this madness goes.

[@Bekinditcostsnothing]

They do not, nor the police or schools or roads, just the health service. It used to be largely non-profit until Nixon passed the HMO act that made it easier for private insurers to make profit, (there was lobbying involved as usual) they bought up HMOs then these insurance companies spent the next few decades brainwashing America into thinking universal healthcare was socialism and that for-profit insurance was better, needless to say Americans drank the kool-aid.

[@24magiccarrot]

@@Bekinditcostsnothing This isn't entirely true some US fire services do charge for a call out, some bill the survivors and some bill the insurance companies, in some areas you need to have a fire subscription to be covered to have a fire engine come out and they may refuse to put out your fire if you aren't covered.

[@DavidKing-jx3sg]

Got hit in the gob with a Hurley stick in the UK went to e.r got stitched up no forms no questions

[@24magiccarrot]

You'll always get people complaining, "but the NHS is not free it's paid for through tax". Yeah true, but you are equally as covered as the next person regardless of how much tax you've paid, doesn't matter if you are a millionaire that pays thousands a year in tax, on minimum wage or on benefits (and if you are long time sick there's a good chance you'll be on benefits) if you get ill or injured you are fully covered. And as I live in Scotland our prescriptions are also free I don't understand why the rest of the UK hasn't caught up with that yet.

[@mickyday2008]

The NHS saved my life.

[@whiteturbo2405]

Mine too! Pity the Tories are running it down in preparation for a American style insurance based system!

[@dumplzbabi1514]

Probably the reason they didn't question your name was because you're not known and if you don't like our health service you should have got a plane and passed off back home for treatment and paid.

[@djelalniyazi4090]

iam asuming when beat cop calls in the cops with guns they will be there in minutes, dont you worry about that.

[@Kaiserbill99]

Not when you compare the probability of being shot in the UK compared to being shot in the US or the number of times a cop is shot in the US compared to one in the UK.

[@dwattz21]

I love how every comment here starts with "were not perfect, but"

[@Gambit771]

I always have to laugh when yanks try to talk about other countries. First thing is that they always mock their accents as if they haven't heard themselves speak and they speak with such confidence yet all they say is based on stereotypes they've seen in the Simpsons. Always wrong, always ignorant.

[@tommoric376]

Would hate to live in America so backwards

[@wangdangdoodie]

An American being schooled by an Australian. He must feel so low!

[@grammarnationalistpartylol6301]

Nhs is crap. Gp's (general practitioners) are bad. They always ignore your problems, misdiagnose you. Either out of being lazy or not knowing (since they are only general practitioners, emphasis on the general).

[@bryan7938]

Well my daughters arthritis is controlled and monitored brilliantly. One med is £10K a year. It’s delivered monthly. Hubbie has type 2 diabetes again, monitored BRILLIANTLY ie eyes photographed annually, bi blood tests to evaluate meds impact then tweaked if necessary…..Two parents had cancer, full immediate chemo etc…then excellent palliative care. I could go on. It’s not perfect but it’s not crap.

[@KnuckleHeadMusicUK]

Paid in taxes + National Insurance, basically a tax just for healthcare. It's being privatised now so more of our culture thrown out for money. Also if you can afford to be seen next day you just go private, there are even private doctors who come to your home. So we had the best of both. Now the poor will simply suffer or die.

[@daneelolivaw602]

It's the Labour party that started TRYING to privatise the NHS, The socialists don't like anyone knowing that though, selling off parts of it to wankers in Luxembourg, well done socialists.

[@2opler]

The ONLY hospital sold off to the private sector was sold by the Labour party. The only attempt to introduce an element of private insurance into the NHS was made by Labours Tony Blair and his buddy Richard Branson. The Private Finance Initiative to build hospitals was under the Labour party at MASSIVE cost to the NHS. The Conservative party is the least of the NHS`s problems.

[@whiteturbo2405]

@@daneelolivaw602 Tony fucking Blair the warmonger, sold off parts of the NHS, scrapped free university education, dragged us into an illegal war, Called themselves New Labour, I call them Tory light! The only thing that pratt ever did that I agreed with was ban Fox Hunting, which the Toffs seem to ignore anyway!

[@cornishplumber5051]

Hey jim , how did that fake islamaphobia interview thing work out for you ?

[@Mrgoofyoops]

Zoe!

[@mrwhitelivesmatter6841]

Actually UK police do carry guns

[@pspence9569]

Some, which is what he said.

[@remiiday]

Not all

[@minhearg8331]

General duties police officers in the UK are not armed with lethal weapons and if they find themselves in life-or-death situations, they have to request specialist armed officers who can only be deployed after authorisation by senior officials.

[@E30Tur]

Min Hearg Wrong. Armed officers can discharge their weapon if the need arises after assessing a live situation, no authorisation needs to be given.

[@minhearg8331]

@@E30Tur When they are called to an incident, specialist armed response officers come under the senior officer present at the scene who is usually not part of the armed response team. It is this senior officer who gives the go-ahead for firearms to be used. When an operation is underway (an entry into a building, say), the decision whether to actually discharge a weapon is dictated by the situation and is at the firearms officer's discretion. And, just to reiterate, general duties police officers in the UK are not armed with lethal weapons and if they find themselves in life-or-death situations, they have to request specialist armed officers to attend.

[@barbaradyson6951]

That aussie sounds as pissed as a fart.

[@wangdangdoodie]

It's their natural state of being.

[@paulsmith5218]

What a liar. I’ve never seen anyone glassed in fifty years of drinking in pubs.

[@whiteturbo2405]

My sons Friend was hit over the head with a bottle when he was just passing a pub, He suffered a fractured skull and brain damage(he's now a bit retarded)

[@jasonw137]

#CastrateTheCops #FineTheFuzz

[@ruadhagainagaidheal9398]

The head injury explains a lot , Jim.

[@riverdragon5020]

what a snarky bitch reply

[@MACCA8569]

Lol America really trying to justify there health system hahahaha

[@crustysockandfriends1128]

Lol what about mass stabbings in the U.K, did the Knife do it? Or the person?

[@muffintime10]

Lol what about mass shootings in the US, did the gun do it? Or the person?

[@crustysockandfriends1128]

@@muffintime10 I'd say the person my dude, just like bombs dont drop them selves

[@Craxin01]

@@crustysockandfriends1128 Yeah, people suck. Let's ban people!

[@conner6417]

Wow, what an original thought. You may be the first to ever make that comparison before.

[@BeanBossing]

The only mass here is the weight of ignorance im prettt sure you have

[@SunDevil31]

This didnt age well.