JimBob Has An Evidence Problem

[@citadelstudios8764]

I couldn't have resisted referring to him as "Rimjob".

[@time4807]

Cause you're a low iq tard. Enjoy your ignorance. ;)

[@JB-yb4wn]

Boo! Hiss! 🤣

[@Evolved_Skeptic]

B'dum-tsss! Oh wait, that's a *Rim - **_Shot._* My bad. Carry on...

[@ninjaofspades]

I hear that is an esteemed title among your kind.

[@blindarcher4962]

I can totally believe this guy doesn't believe in knowledge...

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@blindarcher4962 From a chopped and edited video to form a misquote? I bet your triple vaxxed and own a NASA shirt

[@tessaninetails8065]

@@BrodyAleksander-YOB You're*

[@gryph01]

@@BrodyAleksander-YOB Take your copium lad. Most of us have endured JimBob before.

[@justkenzie]

Then you should actually spend some time on his channel.

[@blindarcher4962]

@@BrodyAleksander-YOB Don't need a NASA shirt to recognize an idiot.

[@scottstanton3517]

Sometimes these apologies remind of flat earther they disprove them self while trying to prove themselves

[@komradjay5738]

This one is a flat Earther. So that checks out.

[@aquavitae3824]

​@@komradjay5738globe skeptic, not a FEer

[@komradjay5738]

@@aquavitae3824 distinction without a difference. Completely and demonstrably wrong, in either case.

[@aquavitae3824]

@@komradjay5738 one is a neutral position and the other is a positive position. Clearly different positions, like the distinction between being agnostic v atheist. It's not complicated.

[@Evan-k]

​@@aquavitae3824same thing

[@gryph01]

Thanks for listening to JimBob's entire video and just giving us segments. You took one for the team JL.

[@JLWarren]

Any time!

[@CharlesPayet]

Yep. I could never do what these guys do without stealing all of Sir Sic’s whiskey & drinking it in large quantities before trying.

[@pragmaticcrystal]

😂

[@tonyderosa5921]

Discuss/debate Jimbob in real-time, dweeb. You won’t though.

[@archapmangcmg]

@@CharlesPayet "You have courted death!"

[@chrisose]

JimBob has a PhD in gaslighting from the same diploma mill where Kent Hovind bought his degree.

[@inrainbows1829]

Wonder is Jimbob has the wack a spouse disease too

[@archapmangcmg]

Yep, he tried to pretend on my comment that he didn't use a false dichotomy fallacy (as well as an equivocation fallacy).

[@marveloussoftware4914]

Ken Hovid's degree cost $1.35 from a box of cracker jacks.

[@MrCanis4]

@@chrisose And has a PhD in reflecting

[@chrisose]

@@marveloussoftware4914 Actually it was from a double-wide trailer in the desert and likely cost him upwards of $10 including postage.

[@bananaslug.1951]

Thanks! very good video and very helpful for understanding how using the right information in the wrong way can fool the people who want to be fooled.

[@JLWarren]

@@bananaslug.1951 Thank you for the support Banana!

[@aubreyleonae4108]

Another good one. Their song remains the same.

[@JLWarren]

Thank you for the support Aubrey!

[@gatorboymike]

I've never seen anyone deliver playground apologetics in such a smarmy, passive-aggressive fashion. Seriously, every single thing this guy says is on the level of "Can you hold a number four in your hand?" or "You have faith in air even though you can't see it, so you're being inconsistent."

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@gatorboymike look harder

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@gatorboymike smarmy is the defining term for Portland VSauce and the commentors here

[@ninjaofspades]

incredulity. slurp the word salad

[@somersetcace1]

Jim Bob has a lot more than an evidence problem.

[@archapmangcmg]

A clear case of rectocranial inversion.

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@somersetcace1 says the single guy addicted to uber eats and videogames

[@somersetcace1]

@@BrodyAleksander-YOB Damn! How did you guess!? Actually, I'm about 15 miles from anywhere that would have uber eats. Damned shame really. However, living out in the middle of nowhere does have its benefits. For example, I rarely have to encounter morons like you in the real world.

[@Evan-k]

​@@BrodyAleksander-YOBok Jim bobs cousband

[@komradjay5738]

A liar, a bigot, a Flerf, a YEC, and a PreSup all walk into a bar. The bartender says, "Look everyone! JimBob is here. Let's all point and laugh!"

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@komradjay5738 What's a yec and flerf

[@komradjay5738]

@@BrodyAleksander-YOB Young Earth Creationist and Flat Earther

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@komradjay5738 thank you! Hes actually not either of those btw

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@komradjay5738 curious what's the objection to presup

[@archapmangcmg]

@@BrodyAleksander-YOB Presupps presuppose they're right when they've no grounds for assuming anything like what they do. For a start, you presuppose you're competent to have this conversation.

[@jonnowds]

Now I’m waiting for the Jimbob/Brian Holdsworth crossover. “Whoever wins, WE LOSE!” 😜😝🤣

[@XEndlessSteelX]

That would just sound like a J.B.Peterson monologue.

[@archapmangcmg]

@@XEndlessSteelX I don't think Jimbo or Brian have enough brain cells between them to word as wordily as word salad man himself. Instead, we'd get 5th rate warmed over Ben Shapiro.

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@jonnowds I'm waiting for a comment from this brainded fanclub that isnt a ad hom

[@jonnowds]

@@BrodyAleksander-YOB You’ll have to communicate a little more clearly 😂🤨🧐

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@jonnowds wow the pools that shallow you don't know what an ad hominem is

[@SouthernMenace]

Having discussed with JimBob extensively a few months ago, I can attest that he likes to dribble himself with a skewed and simplistic view of philosophical concepts, score an own goal in his mind, then promptly celebrate into the horizon his great victory. It's actually kind of amazing to see in action.

[@Angel-nl1hp]

Yup, you just described exactly how he acted to me in the chat a few hours prior to the premiere.

[@gryph01]

Yes, he takes Occam's razor to literally

[@terrencelockett4072]

Then he seems to have the problem where he thinks he can philosophize his god into existence. We don't prove gravity with philosophy. Do we prove aspects that directly interact with the physical reality through philosophy?

[@archapmangcmg]

@@Angel-nl1hp It was how he acted during the premiere in the chat to everyone, too. And now in the comments.

[@CozyCoziee]

"Some men just want to see the world learn." - J.L. Warren

[@JLWarren]

@@CozyCoziee I did not expect that comment to blow up like that.

[@vex1669]

Never forget: Jimbob is not stupid, he's just completely dishonest.

[@wilberforce1826]

I mean, he's a presupper, so that's kind of a given, isn't it?

[@chrisdurhammusicchannel]

JimBob got some cray-cray arguments!!!! 🤣🤣

[@darkfalcon7856]

Why is it that most applogists don't quite understand that the laws of logic and the laws of nature (i.e. gravity) are DESCRIPTIVE, not PRESCRIPTIVE? Also, I personally encourage honest questions and don't get offended at honest ignorance. As an example, if someone asks about evolution, even if they need it explained a couple of times, but they do actually learn, then it was honest. However, if they keep misrepresenting evolution (like Ken Hamm does), then it is not honest ignorance.

[@uNiels_Heart]

Some do understand the difference and still present it to their audience as if the word law can only mean one thing, because it serves their agenda and it's easy to do in the face of persons who have only been properly exposed to one meaning in their life.

[@dannyp2208]

Can the laws of logic exist without human minds around to describe them?

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@dannyp2208 crickets...

[@dannyp2208]

@@BrodyAleksander-YOB it's only been a few minutes. Give them a chance 😂

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@dannyp2208 it's a prediction 🤣

[@mdug7224]

There is such a high level of intellectual dishonesty required for this kind of apologetics, I can't believe they are genuine.

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@mdug7224 cool claim, point out one instance.

[@mdug7224]

@@BrodyAleksander-YOB Did you watch it?

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@mdug7224 yes, now please point out one instance. Should be quite simple based on the _"high level of ...dishonesty"_

[@mdug7224]

@@BrodyAleksander-YOB you watched it but didn't see it? Amazing.

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@mdug7224 nope guess not. Stop obfuscating and point out one instance please

[@BlackV1ruZ]

the way you express yourself clearly shows that you are the type of person that understands any D&D rule on the first time you read it. Even if its DND 4e. This isn't an insult, i like it. you got a new sub :)

[@JLWarren]

That’s high praise. Thank you so much!

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@BlackV1ruZ ROFL 😭🤣 This is a all time comment. And you're not even trolling... this is the funniest thing I've seen maybe ever on a YT comment

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@JLWarren no its definitely a insult, despite it being praise. Holy shit 😭🤣😭🤣🤣

[@DJTheTrainmanWalker]

My response to the opening salvo. Ah... The old 'lets deny the reason element of the 'evidence and reason' equation.

[@OldBenOne]

JimBob's method: A=B, C=D therefore A=D.

[@stevewebber707]

What's an apologist to do, when his smoke machine runs dry, and his mirrors are cracked?

[@asyetundetermined]

Jimbob is a performer, through and through. He is selling precisely what his audience is in the market to buy.

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@asyetundetermined and what is that

[@asyetundetermined]

@@BrodyAleksander-YOB validation, victimhood, stereotype confirmation, cheap camaraderie, proxy personality, etc.

[@vex1669]

@@asyetundetermined And the feeling of having profound philosophical understanding.

[@I_Am_Monad]

J.L. "So you have no God." Jim Bob: "I have concepts of a God!"

[@wilberforce1826]

Jimmy Bobby is really leaning on the fact that "faith" is polysemous. Faith means belief without evidence, trust in consistency, and honest behavior (aka "acting in good faith"). Presuppers never miss an opportunity to equivocate.

[@simonditomasso9868]

I can’t understand how people like Jim bob actually thinks that belief that your wife loves you and belief in a god are remotely similar

[@BIayne]

I know how. He's dumb.

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@simonditomasso9868 I cant understand how midwits dont get it

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@simonditomasso9868 its called Faith

[@simonditomasso9868]

@@BrodyAleksander-YOB one is faith not the other

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@simonditomasso9868 oh really what is the scientific experiment you've devised to demonstrate that your wife loves you objectively I'm excited for this empirical evidence

[@kendreamer6376]

Someone needs to time stamp when he gives his criteria for exist. 3:30 I time stamped it myself

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@kendreamer6376 it was a internal critique you clown

[@optimus_rhymes6955]

I watched his evolution debate with based theory, and it’s really funny to me that he basically told grayson, he would need to physically see examples of evolution to believe it. I can’t take him serious.

[@RichWoods23]

Was it countered with him being asked if he would need to physically see examples of a murder suspect murdering someone to believe that the murder suspect had murdered the murder victim? That would make for quite the courtroom drama. "Will the defendant please take the stand, and place your hand upon the knife."

[@optimus_rhymes6955]

@@RichWoods23 haha! That’s hilarious. I actually think Grayson may have brought that up. And he just picked up his goal post and started running.

[@DJTheTrainmanWalker]

O.K. gonna add another one here. Frankly I find myself thinking that the question "does 'god' exist?" As framed keeps the argument on theist terms. So these days I frame my respnse as....I am an atheists. I know 'god/s' exist. Humans invented them circa5-4000bce. This is however no call to go round 'believing' in them. Not only does doing so encourage them: but its also sonewhat like asking if one 'believes in' cars, houses, tin tacks, or paperclips. These things exist. The big questions are ... What are they? What are they for? Why did humans invent them?

[@DJTheTrainmanWalker]

The problem with the notion of 'mind independent' phenomena... Is that the idea, itself, is a mind dependent phenomena. All labels, signs etc are. Which is problematic. So we kinda have a true statement that can't be demonstrated as true. A loophole that many theists then exploit. But actually just demonstrates the underlying uncertainty of existence. Or put another way Gödel's incompleteness. To assert Certainty one tends to need to invoke a 'god'. And then the real problems start. Cos everyone is certain their version is the only one...creating schism, blasphemy, heresy, pogroms, crimethink, crusade and jihad.

[@Evan-k]

Nah, gods don't exist, don't muddy the waters for these cultists

[@DJTheTrainmanWalker]

@Evan-k Why make it easy for them? We can either go round and round the same nonsense theistic claims... Or completely de-rail them and get the conversation onto what 'god/s: actually are, how humans invented them, why, and what for.

[@alanhyland5697]

!:47 - 2:14 - I am so glad you included this point.

[@uNiels_Heart]

Given how he has treated other contemporary KZbinrs, I'd wager the second option is worse. If it's just him having no idea what he's talking about, there would at least be a sliver of hope of an improvement in the future.

[@vex1669]

Yeah, he's just a used-god-salesman looking for chumps to bamboozle.

[@martinbaxter4783]

A question - based on that intro alone, have JimBob and Barnabas Nagy ever been seen in the same room at the same time?

[@GrimAngel01100]

I think the issue with arguments from ignorance from the atheist side is that functionally we are still operating under the notion that god doesnt exist, not saying god doesnt, but simply living and making conclusions in the same fashion as if god doesnt exist, and this is what they focus on. Like sure, absemse of evidence isnt evidence of absense, but this isnt the position we actually have or are in. Its not just that we have absence of evidence, but that absense of evidence is paired with evidence of absence by virtue of alternate explanations. For example, per argument from inorance, I cant say magic doesnt exist dued to lack of evidence, but given that when we test for magic there is a lack of evidence AND evidence to the contrary, notably that there is some other explanation that isnt magical or some inductive evidence, I dont think its proper to treat the notion of this lack of evidence as an actual argument from ignorance.

[@Angel-nl1hp]

A god that is undetectable by any empirical means is functionally the same as a god that doesn't exist, so I think our position is well justified.

[@archapmangcmg]

@@Angel-nl1hp Hell, so long as an entity hasn't been detected through itself or its actions, belief is unjustified. It doesn't have to be hard to detect, just something that hasn't been yet.

[@Evan-k]

Gods don't exist, it's just an undisputable fact, the religious are insane

[@rightpa]

22:26 Hey! It's me! Does that mean I am KZbin famous now?

[@GrimAngel01100]

Jimbo. Is one of the few people I actually hate listening to speak, its so slimy how quick he is to project his poor tactics onto others.

[@MrCanis4]

@@GrimAngel01100 Kind of like a monster with an angel face, don't you think?

[@richardctaylor79]

18:58 JimBob is an epistemological "tool"... lol

[@martinmckee5333]

I will never understand how anyone can be so arrogant to claim to speak to the inner thoughts and motives of entire groups of people who disagree with them. And yet, somehow, theists also often claim to be humble. Something doesn't add up....

[@uNiels_Heart]

It kinda makes sense in a pragmatic way when one realizes that they're trying to move the people already on their side. Namely further away from us. It serves their motives.

[@martinmckee5333]

@@uNiels_Heart Oh. I understand why they do it. I just hate myself whenever I act arrogantly. I simply can't imagine acting that way deliberately - even when doing so provides utility.

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@uNiels_Heart as you literally speak on what a entire group is intending to do

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@martinmckee5333 you stupid hypocrite cant see your doing the same thing in these comments?

[@archapmangcmg]

@@BrodyAleksander-YOB Apologists admit their motives, no assumptions needed.

[@grayintheuk8021]

Absolutely, this is correct. There is no good and sufficient evidence for the claims being presented by the magical thinker.

[@adalbertred]

Concepts must be demonstrated. Otherwise, it is just a futile intellectual exercise.

[@Noetic-Necrognosis]

Can you demonstrate that concept?

[@rylanasher4756]

JimBob's dedication to dishonesty is almost admirable... almost. In another world, where being an unbridled liar is commendable, JimBob is running for president of the U.S! ... wait...

[@uNiels_Heart]

if it weren't for all the damage he's doing with it, yeah ...

[@rylanasher4756]

@@uNiels_Heart it's the dedication bit that is impressive, the single-minded pig headed determination. However, the lying scumbag part is detestable through and through.

[@sallyskellington3024]

He's got nothing, why can't he just say, "I got nothing".?

[@goldenalt3166]

He's afraid of hell. Or loss of income.

[@XEndlessSteelX]

Because JimBob is not honest. If he was honest, he'd be an atheist after all.

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@XEndlessSteelX why do you guys have to strawman everything. It's super pathetic. I can believe there is honest atheists even though I think they are deeply wrong, one can be a honest theist aswell.

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@goldenalt3166 arent we all

[@XEndlessSteelX]

@@BrodyAleksander-YOB There is no strawman being applied here, JimBob is a dishonest person.

[@ColinLittley]

Awesome again philosophically speaking.

[@tonydarcy1606]

Ah JimBob's so clever ! He knows stuff that I don't ! "I piss therefore I urinate", seems to be about his level.

[@zaymennemyaz8407]

Love your content 👍🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@JLWarren]

Appreciate it Zaymen!

[@TheDeath138]

Arguments can be fun, but they aren't evidence. I will not be convinced by an argument and, frankly I find philosophy to be mostly mental masturbation. I do indeed want empirical evidence. As Aron Ra likes to say, "If you can't show it, you don't know it."

[@terrencelockett4072]

I feel the same way about philosophy. I think folks put too much on philosophy, especially when trying to prove things exist in reality.

[@goldenalt3166]

Philosophers will try to claim everything is philosophy. But i agree on the things that are the exclusive domain of philosophy seem to lack any way to come to agreement.

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

Cool philosophical claim bro

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

​@@terrencelockett4072cool feelings and philosophical statements dude

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

​@@goldenalt3166no

[@KL-lt8rc]

I love it when apologists attack senses as being totally unreliable, not realizing that literally everything they know about their religion happened via their senses. It's not like the bible got downloaded into their brains, matrix-style.

[@terrencelockett4072]

They'll claim people's senses they disagree with are invalid, like their shitck about morality. They'll also turn around to defend why their senses alone come to the objectively correct conclusions.

[@goldenalt3166]

God is formed in their minds. That's why they don't need external evidence for Him.

[@XEndlessSteelX]

JimBob, as calm and collected as he may appear in his videos, is one of the most vile and dishonest KZbin apologists currenly.

[@MadebyJimbob]

Give me one example of me being dishonest. I’ll demonstrate you are in fact being dishonest when you fail to produce an example.

[@XEndlessSteelX]

@@MadebyJimbob False equivalencies between uncomparable things, strawmanning of atheists and their positions, ad hominems and more.

[@archapmangcmg]

@@MadebyJimbob Wow, you hit on why atheists reject god claims! No gods have ever been produced when challenged.

[@stephanusghibellino]

​@@XEndlessSteelXGive concrete examples

[@JLWarren]

@stephanusghibellino X did give concrete examples. JimBob claimed that atheists presuppose empiricism to make claims which they do not. He is not only misrepresenting what atheism is but he's misrepresenting science as a whole. That is intellectual dishonesty. Period.

[@kendreamer6376]

At 4:14 I'm confused we established a criteria for exist now there is this thing essence next to exist

[@_Omega_Weapon]

JimBob, it's not *just* the fact that I've seen no empirical evidence for any god, it's also that I've never heard a non logically fallacious, coherent unambiguous and internally consistent definition for one in the first place. Most theists will define god as both space-time independent and the creator of it, which is both logically and cosmologically impossible. So i cannot even form a conception of such a contradictory "agent".

[@dalep.2508]

Where is your empirical evidence for logic?

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@_Omega_Weapon that is not logically impossible. That's simply wrong

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@dalep.2508 just engage his comment instead of acting like the other poor faith commentors bruv

[@_Omega_Weapon]

@@dalep.2508 Logic is a concept, it's veracity is confirmed by how it reliably and consistently describes how things operate in the universe accurately.

[@_Omega_Weapon]

@BrodyAleksander-YOB Then please explain how it's possible for something to both "exist" space-time independent, absent dependency on anything extant in space-time and cause or create space-time absent space-time. If I cannot even form a conception if such a being because of these things, I can't engage in any assessments of it from there to begin with.

[@DG-cu1vt]

I see JimBag is dishing up more of his nonsensical word salad. Such a hack!

[@memecity9849]

That's why I'm an agnostic atheist. I don't know with a level of certainty if God or any god exists. Therefore, I have no reason to believe that one exists

[@Evan-k]

Don't worry magic isn't real

[@OscarSommerbo]

Hey JL. I have a question video idea that might tickle you. It intersects Nietzsche and sci.fi drama, staring our favorite Christian "actor" Kevin. In Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda (which was made after his death) there exists a human "race" called "Nietzscheans", which are basically space-Nazis espousing Nihilistic catchphrases. It might be that the writers wanted to showcase what unchecked jingoism and an obsession with biological purity might lead to, but I wonder if they aren't meant to be space-Nazi as much as space-Atheists? A quick peek at who was involved on the creative side reveal no obvious bible thumpers but rather hold-overs from the TNG crew. I just thought it might make for an interesting video.

[@MrCanis4]

Atlas, Brahma, Coatlicue, Diana, Eos, Freya, Guanyin, Hades, Indra, Jupiter, Krishna, Loki, Luna, Mars, Neith, Odin, Poeninus, Ra, Seth, Thor, Utu, Venus, Wodan, Xochiquetzal, Yemayá and Zeus. all gods. Now proof to me that they don't exist. And if you can't do this, that means they DO exist ??? RIGHT ???

[@drewstinson3901]

All irrelevant because of the historical Person of Jesus Christ, God in the flesh. Those who knew Him started His Church, which exists today in Orthodoxy.

[@MrCanis4]

@@drewstinson3901 Can you prove that they DO NOT exist?? And I'm not even convinced that jesus existed. Let alone that he had super powers.

[@_Omega_Weapon]

​@drewstinson3901 There's no way to prove jc existed historically. Even he some religious figure named that did in fact exist, for the sake of argument, that in no way proves he was any god or nullifies by default other god claims. Learn logic.

[@gryph01]

​​@@drewstinson3901That's possible but not necessarily true. The Greek gods were not only physical, they interacted with humans. Chaos (Void) created Gaia (earth), Uranus (sky), Tartarus (underworld), Erebus (darkness), and Nyx (night) Gaia and Uranus created 12 Titans which included Oceanus, Tethys (fresh water), Hyperion (light), Crius (The constellations) and others that gave us order, thought, intelligence and the ability to question and reason (Themis and Coeus) Prometheus created humans and gave us fire (Zeus didn't like the fire part). And the Olympians (children of the Titans) interacted with humans. So based on your logic, We see the earth, sky, light, night, darkness, constellations. So they must be real. If they are real, then which religious tradition should we follow?

[@johnrap7203]

Quetzalcoatl Quirunus

[@robertmontgomery4742]

Not sure how a material posits knowledge of a material thing with any certainty.

[@trevorlunn8442]

Jimbob makes me wonder if having one mouth makes it impossible to talk out of both sides of it at the same time unless you are two-faced?

[@WhiteScorpio2]

I'm a pretty hardcore empiricist. As I responded on the video in question, of course we have empirical knowledge of the existence of knowledge. You can come up to any question and ask them a question about reality. If they answer, they have empirically demonstrated that they have knowledge about reality. It's convenient to discuss abstract concepts as a separate things from mind-independently existing things, but since minds are material, abstract concepts are also material. Given enough knowledge, you can cut it out of your brain with a knife. And the same with "Is there empirical evidence that empirical\scientific evidence is the best way to understand reality", the answer is obvious yes, given how demonstrable useful science has been in all areas of our lives.

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

How tf are minds material? 😅

[@WhiteScorpio2]

@@BrodyAleksander-YOB You ever heard about this neat thing called a brain?

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

Did you really claim that you can cut abstract concepts out of the brain with a knife or is it too later and I'm delirious

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

"The answer is yes given how useful it is" is not scientific evidence you absolute mutt

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

_My car is the best,_ *demonstrate that claim,* _look its useful_ 😅

[@o0OshadowplayO0o]

I know this doesn't have anything to do with the subject of the video, but... I'm just imagining someone staying over at your place, they wander around at night trying to find the bathroom, accidentally open your room and see the silhouette of that lifesize realistic Jason Voorheis figure just standing there in the dark. I know that would scare the everloving hell out of me haha.

[@JLWarren]

lol, even funnier that in that half-awake state it's even gotten me a couple times

[@Slartifartblast]

"Goodnight Jimbob!!!" That's all I can think of when I hear his name. "Goodnight John Boy!!!" Oh no, I can't stop.... 😂

[@adamstrange7884]

Jim Bob makes Cletus look OF THE SMORTS!

[@emmanuelpiscicelli6232]

One question why does Yahweh need a printing press to create his manual for life ❓️

[@iluvtacos1231]

"Personification of an extended gap year" Oh, you SWINGING swinging.

[@charlieinwhite]

jim appears to be going the hovind/jar jar 'meesa smarter than all science and historian and anything i don't like is wrong' route

[@clemstevenson]

It's hardly surprising that Christianity is based upon faith, rather than verifiable facts. Why should I take biblical magic claims seriously, when there isn't a shred of supporting evidence for those claims?

[@goldenalt3166]

There's the Bible to definately disprove their claims if you cherry pick the right parts of it.

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

​@@goldenalt3166that would be strawmaning

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

Do you believe Space isnt made of water?

[@goldenalt3166]

@@BrodyAleksander-YOB Do you believe Job is a real story about a real god?

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@goldenalt3166 yes I do. Now plz answer my question do you believe space is made of water? If not is this this something you know for certain or something you have faith in?

[@no-one-knows321]

Do asthists believe they have a Spirit or Soul?

[@JLWarren]

@@no-one-knows321 no.

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

Ofcourse not. But they will use the terms in day to day conversations then cry etymological fallacy

[@thesunexpress]

Imagine cosplaying being an adult & insisting imaginary deities from ancient Middle-Eastern mythological nonsense, are somehow real.

[@stephanusghibellino]

Imagine believing that truth exists with absolutely no basis for that belief and somehow fancy yourself as "rational".

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@stephanusghibellino 🦗🦗🦗

[@TeaParty4Thugs]

Confidence from the Latin con fide, meaning "with faith"

[@JLWarren]

Etymological fallacy. These representative terms have evolved.

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

​@@JLWarrennow your disagreeing with the experts in your own field that you have faith in 😅

[@TeaParty4Thugs]

@@JLWarren you brought up etymology in your video

[@JLWarren]

@@TeaParty4Thugs to show the history of the word and how they diverged in concept. If you’re not even going to represent the subject matter correctly, I’m pretty much done with you.

[@TeaParty4Thugs]

​@@JLWarren you just asserted they have different meanings when they're synonyms

[@CeezGeez]

i have yet to meet an honest apologist

[@BIayne]

Honest apologist is an oxymoron.

[@CeezGeez]

@@BIayne true

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

​@@BIayneyou realize this channel host is a apologist for atheism?

[@terrencelockett4072]

It's always wild that not being able to definitively prove their god doesn't exist, proves their god exists. Why do you they even think switching the burden of proof, takes away their burden?

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

Its called coherence

[@archapmangcmg]

@@BrodyAleksander-YOB Yes, it's entirely absent in burden shifting.

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@archapmangcmg apophatics

[@archapmangcmg]

@@BrodyAleksander-YOB No word salad, thanks.

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@archapmangcmg how is single word a Salad you muppet?

[@AnnoyingNewsletters]

13:45 To paraphrase Aron-Ra: *_Every argument for God is a logical fallacy, and every logical fallacy has been used as an argument for God._*

[@archapmangcmg]

Jimbo in the chat like "but you have faith!" when he is talking about reality continuing to do what it does. Problem of induction isn't "faith". It's just not absolute certainty. Really is childish to pretend they're the same things.

[@MadebyJimbob]

Wrong, the assumption of regularity is question begging. The problem of induction isn’t just an issue of certainty.

[@archapmangcmg]

@@MadebyJimbob You MADE it an issue of certainty by pretending there is no justification for assuming it, just "faith". Don't blame me for your own incompetence or dishonesty.

[@babotond]

well, my axiom is that jimbob is always wrong about everything, so...

[@ianbabineau5340]

“The fact that everyone has faith….” You wouldn’t be making this video if EVERYONE had faith in the same things. So obviously not everyone has the same kind of faith (if they have any at all), so that means that faith proves nothing as it either causes people to come to different conclusions or doesn’t work for everyone.

[@jailhousephilosopher3309]

And another theist is stretched out and played like a guitar!

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

Woosh

[@howardreynolds2183]

Hello. I've been away. You have again assured me that you are an island of sanity in the sea of chaos. Praise the beard.

[@JLWarren]

Welcome back! And thank you. Glad you enjoyed it.

[@SolitaryCore-mj2mr]

the problem with JimBob's equation of concepts and physical entities l.e. knowledge and and god raises more questions than it answers sure im gonna switch out god for a cat but to make my point here we know cats exist, we know how they look like, we know what cat prints look in our surroundings, we know what sounds cats make in heat, we know how male cats mark their territory so we have direct and indirect evidence that cats are in a particular circumstance, also that proves that cats in general have some impact in thier surroundings, especially if you are or know a catowner cathair everywhere, clawmarks and bitemarks on your skin .... my point is cats have various levels of proof to indicate they exist and thus can be found if you put enough effort into it reggardless how hard that particular cat tries to hide knowledge on the other hand is a concept lacking all of those physical traits and thusly can't affect our surrouding in the same manner as a cat can my question that rise here is god just a concept how is it supposed to interact with the pjysical world without leaving a identifyable mark? if god is a physical entitiy why didn't we've found proofs that he did stuff around here that are undoubtly only came from his actions and no other means? sure pet's hair or clawmarks in somone's home can also be from a dog but there are other ways to identify if that are cat or dogs hair f.e. we can look at them under a microscope or see if if a litterbox in the houshold can help to determine if that is cat or dog hair, we could ask the pet staff ... erm owner where that hair came from and they most likely will answer truthfully unless they have reasons to decieve you, i assume in that hypothetical they don't have ulterior motives though

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

Nobody said God is just a concept... your arguing with a strawman

[@SolitaryCore-mj2mr]

@@BrodyAleksander-YOB jimbob i that clip tends to equate god existing to lthe same level as logic existing, so either logic is an entity or god is a concept, that is the point i wanted bring across

[@page8301]

Even if there was evidence that something akin to a "god" existed, that does not mean I would deem it worthy of worship.

[@visforvegan8]

I don't believe Jim Bob exists.

[@Gijs-t7p]

Thousands of years of absence of evidence, that should have been there, does falsify a loving god who listens to your prayers. Maybe not a deistic god but certainly a theistic one.

[@stephanusghibellino]

Why God should answer a prayer from you.

[@zombine555]

​@@stephanusghibellinohe loves us, does he not?

[@terrencelockett4072]

Oh yea that's extremely dishonest to try and compare abstract concepts to something/someone they believe created the entire universe.

[@Resopmirepus]

let me understand, physics according to Jimbo is a matter of faith right? so according to his theory a body in motion hitting a still body is the same as pray to have something better in life, this means if i slap him i am praying is the same type of Logic he's presenting so there has to be no consequences because i "believe" right? 🤣

[@Endlesshosemach4]

Can you show me dark matter?

[@BIayne]

Why do you ask?

[@Endlesshosemach4]

@@BIayne do you believe dark matter exists? Asking for a friend.

[@michaelbell3181]

Omni? The very concept violates the law of noncontradiction. Something can't be Omni=all, "All good" and "all evil" at the same time. And, if you add a descriptor you have just limited the concept of Omni.

[@chameleonx9253]

At the end of the video, it sounded like you said to check out the "SCP." I'm pretty sure I misheard that, but you should do that anyway. I made SCP-009, you know.

[@JLWarren]

Oh that’s awesome!

[@chameleonx9253]

@@JLWarren Yeah, it was based on one scene in an old web comic called 8-bit theatre, where Black Mage used an "Ice 9" spell to freeze the universe.

[@Marine_Veteran_Vegan_Gamer]

Never trust anyone named _____ Bob.

[@WE_R_DNA]

Cafeteria Pizza 😂

[@darrendelaney8161]

well lets get it straight. faith is induced belief in the face of facts to the contrary. faith value is determined by the invalidators of the assertion not the confirmers. faith and belief vary inversely and are oppositional mental stances.

[@cygnustsp]

All i heard from him was a bunch of whining

[@markenglishby4146]

Gamma confirmed

[@mattfrazier5025]

G'night Jim Bob (from The Waltons). Your tired arguments need a rest

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

8:30 Who is the judge of how extreme a claim is? Where is the measuring stick?

[@JLWarren]

This question was answered in the video. And if the difference in extremity between the claims “there’s a dog in my backyard” and “there’s a spaceless timeless mind that magically willed everything into existence” is not prima facie, then I can’t help you.

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@JLWarren I'm not going to sit thru 15 minutes of you sperging to listen for a answer that I did not hear the first time. Maybe stop acting so prudish and just answer the question and stop obfuscating everything

[@lonnierh0dgejr41]

@@BrodyAleksander-YOB what he's saying...i'll put it as simply as i can for you, so you can understand. "there's a dog in my backyard" is easy to provide evidence for. just go look in his back yard. see a dog? evidence provided, it is safe to believe the claim. whereas "there's a spaceless timeless mind..." is much more difficult to provide evidence for. therefore the "spaceless timeless..." claim is much more extreme and thus requires much stronger evidence to support that claim.

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@lonnierh0dgejr41 the fact that presuppositions are invisible to you is wild

[@lonnierh0dgejr41]

@@BrodyAleksander-YOB they are? how so? what did i miss? please enlighten me. 🤔

[@captivedesk3168]

Jimknob is turrible, thanks for the video

[@marveloussoftware4914]

His father wanted to name him "Jim" and his mother (sister) wanted to name him "Bob." Thats how he became RimJob. 😅😂🤣😂😅💩💩💩

[@vinny142]

I've seen these "you're doing it too" defences a few times now and I have yet to figure out how they think this works. If you insist that Atheism and Theism use the same methods then Theism's methods are nolonger better than Atheism's methods. He's trying to say that Atheism has a very poor base for their findings, and then goes on to say that they are in fact the same base as that of theism... sol.. theism also has a bad base... I could try to understand it if he tried to show that theism also uses evidence, to try to lift theism up to the level of atheism, but ofcourse he can't because there is no evidence for any religion.

[@vex1669]

His argument is so much worse than you would ever believe. At its core he's saying "If I say god exists, logic works and I can reason that god exists. The alternative - a worldview without god - can't have logic, so mine is correct." To make this "work", he uses a misrepresentation of nonrevelatory epistemology, bad, outdated definitions, a malformed reductio-ad-absurdum, circular reasoning and question begging. He can do that, because presuppositional apologetics don't actually want to make an argument for the existence of god, they want to get atheists to shut up. That's the reason for him and his flying monkeys always being on the offensive. That's the reason for the constant stream of insults and baiting. That's the reason for his debate tactics of muting the opponent, talking over them, interrupting them, strawmanning their position, asking malformed questions and poisoning the well. It's not about truth, it's about winning internet arguments.

[@2l84me8]

I told jim that I don’t believe his claims due to a lack of evidence being presented, and he randomly demanded I demonstrate that a mind exists. Not only is that completely irrelevant to this discussion, he didn’t even provide his burden of proof for his claims. He’s either a troll or not all there.

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

It's called presup

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

If the mind is irrelevant to the discussion I challenge you to have a discussion without a mind

[@Evan-k]

Nope, its a fact gods don't exist

[@OrthoCarpenterGuy]

☦️

[@haydenwalton2766]

aren't theist's adorable ? schlepping from one bad argument to the next. the silver lining here is of course - this is their last on. which is a shame because jimbob's whiney little surfer voice is great to nod off to

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

Go back to your marvel comics

[@haydenwalton2766]

@@BrodyAleksander-YOB I read proust, mother fucker

[@haydenwalton2766]

@@BrodyAleksander-YOB I read proust, mother fucker

[@manuelbaez7148]

smack down

[@RustyWalker]

Et Tu, Quoque?

[@briannyob7799]

Why doesn't his god just prove it exists?

[@stephanusghibellino]

Why God has to prove to you that He exists?

[@briannyob7799]

@@stephanusghibellino I thought god wanted to have a relationship with me? But if he doesn't, no worries.

[@JLWarren]

@briannyob7799 and that would be the justification for reasonable disbelief as concluded by the argument from divine hiddenness ala Schellenberg. 1) If no perfectly loving God exists, then God does not exist. 2) If a perfectly loving God exists, then there is a God who is always open to personal relationship with each human person. 3) If there is a God who is always open to personal relationship with each human person, then no human person is ever non-resistantly unaware that God exists. 4) If a perfectly loving God exists, then no human person is ever non-resistantly unaware that God exists (from 2 and 3). 5) Some human persons are non-resistantly unaware that God exists. 6) No perfectly loving God exists (from 4 and 5). 7) God does not exist (from 1 and 6). (Schellenberg (2005) "The hiddenness argument revisited" Religious Studies, Cambridge U Press)

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

God proves he exists everytime I look around

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

​@@JLWarrenGod doesnt bow to your description of reality or how he should or would do

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

7:30 Quote the coomer saints😅

[@JLWarren]

That you would categorize Hume, Laplace, Jefferson and Sagan as “coomers” demonstrates you don’t possess the acumen to be apart of this discussion. Get educated.

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@JLWarren what I dont posess is a neon gooner cave with memorabilia

[@JLWarren]

I really hope you don't think insulting the decor of my office is a defeater.

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@JLWarren I said they are saints to the coomers, fool

[@BrodyAleksander-YOB]

@@JLWarren I'm sure it's a love life defeater