Toro TIMEMASTER - Feature Comparison - Gas vs Electric

[@johnvanek2931]

An extra grand for a mower that will cut for one hour. So add $250 for a third 10ah battery if more mow rime is needed. And it won’t move under power without the blades moving. Your experience with your gas model, and this comparison, reinforces my desire for the gas model. Good video!

[@temujinkhan6326]

and applying it to commercial use you will need 12-15 batteries and hopefully they last 2-3 years and that you don't forget to charge them

[@sparklawns3433]

1 hr in nice dry grass, ideal conditions. Don't you dare mow wet heavy grass or in extreme temps or the batteries will overheat and go into circuit protection mode. I'm sure the crews will love have multiple lunch breaks per day while the batteries cool off.

[@jcjc7783]

Please keep the reviews on this mower coming. Especially testing the different blades. I run a fully electric lawn care service and this will be my next mower, and you have the best videos on it.

[@homerj1640]

THANK YOU for finally making this video. No powered transport is a deal breaker for a mower this heavy. I'd hate to be the person who made the decision to remove that feature. I'm off to try to get one more Honda before they stop making them.

[@temujinkhan6326]

I've had 7 or so of the hrx217 granted I've only bought 2 new and the rest bought second from homeowners. Thinking of checking the honda commercial but they are about 1500-1600 plus tax

[@DGMVW]

Mine is being delivered on Wednesday and I can’t wait! I have a little less than a half acre lot but we have a pool and gardens so it usually takes me about an hour to mow. Now that I know about the blades I’m going to just run the regular blades and I already have a third 10Ah battery and will mulch on max…can’t wait to see what’s left on the batteries. I currently have a gas Timemaster.

[@GlennMcKeon-n5s]

So...what do you think about your new 60v Timemaster? All of us gas Timemaster owners would be really interested to hear your honest opinion!

[@howlingwolf125y]

Great video ... A lot of good info.. But what about a cut quality comparison.. And power.. and which one cuts thru thru semi tall or tall grass better.. Or did I miss this.. Thanks so much..

[@1975oldschool]

If the engineers where going for max battery life, I’d think they get rid of belts and have dual motors 🤷🏻‍♂️ Thanks for the video!

[@JimmyLewisMows]

I asked him about that. He said it was a matter of cost and serviceability with the decision to keep the blades belt-driven.

[@GlennMcKeon-n5s]

If they did 2 motors the blades would no longer be able to avoid hitting each other without a total deck redesign to offset the blades as most dual blade mowers do. They obviously wanted to avoid doing that.

[@TheLawnGuardian]

Nice, video Jimmy. I have to say after testing this mower myself, I have been really disappointed in it. During a normal maintenance mow it was tearing the grass blades and leaving lots of uncut grass in the auto and max power mode. To remove the blade stop feature was a huge mistake. For the current price point of $2400 I think they should have really spent more time on the overall design. Have you been having cut quality issues?

[@jralphharper]

I plan on chaining three 21" 60v Super Recyclers together for a 63" mow deck with 3 motors and 3 7.5 ah batteries. People will say that's an insane amount of money to spend on mowers, but it'll be $2 cheaper than the 60v eTimeMaster. Insane that Toro thinks thats reasonable.

[@jeffc2138]

I ordered the day my Toro dealer was able to place an order. First I'm learning of the inability to transport under power with the blade off. Hugely disappointing as that was a main reason I bought the gas Timemaster. Hopefully Toro takes advantage of further improvements battery power allows over gas with a gen 2 eTimemaster (ie no belts at all, direct drive motors for each blade). Still excited my neighbors wont have to hear that massive B&S engine on the gas version.

[@jimcrookston2776]

I'm also on the original belts on my 4 year old gas Timemaster. Hoping to get several more years out of my gas version, but I will consider electric when the time comes and hope that battery tech and cost will both be better at that time.

[@conservative599]

I have had the SAME issue on my 2016 Toro 30 in TimeMaster. It NEVER starts hot. There was a recall to change the crummy paper fuel filter, but i solved that design flaw, where the fuel feed is only 1/2 in drop from the tank outlet to Briggs 120000 series engine carb. I lashed on my Honda GCV190 Tank and a nice long hose, with a Disc filter and Shutoff valve from Home Depot. The Briggs recall is to install a metal HEAT SHIELD between the cyl head and float bowl, to fix hot restarting. I often do better than that, just get some silver foil faced R-MAX foam insulation, maybe cut 3x5in,, smash a recess to fit behind the float bowl with a small hammer, and shove it in place above the black plastic belt guard cover. surfaces, that worked for a few years,then needed to cool things down with Starting fluid or Gumout to restart hot. I then replaced the carbs several times with the inexpensive ones on Amazon. Worked a little better than Briggs OEM. FINALLY, I did replace the Magneto coil and shutoff switch, but yesterday PROVED THE NEW ONE IS INTERMITTENT. Got an adjustable Spark Tester, set for 10KV gap or larger - NO OUTPUT!!!!!!!!!!! Then I took the old one, sanded the pole pieces and TAPED the entire HV lead with 3M Electrical tape, and split the plastic insulator sleeve from my new Spark Tester, covering the CHAFED section where the muffler heatshield abradedi it. BINGO, it finally started! I then checked the Compression cold, but forgot to open the throttle plate - it read almost 30lbs. We also replaced the crummy HEAD GASKET again, with the 2nd gasket in the $42 Amazon kit, which HAS A NICE METAL fire ring, but is for the 223CC Upgraded engine all the Yard Service guys pay $500 new, to finally fix the underpowered temperamental 190. I found the old gasket BLEW OUT near the Exhaust side, a second time, vapor from all my Starting Fluid was coming out. Another telltale sign was the 4 head bolts were NOT TIGHT. I should have retourqued to the 125 in-lbs spec AGAIN after a month. Since 70lbs seems to be the spec for these 190CC motors, I WILL be buying a new Piston, Rings, and Wrist pin set, and the 2 different length Rod bolts to raise the crummy 30lbs that is causing stalling issues. And my friend set the VALVE clearances ay 0.006in, AFTER INSTALLING THE NEW thicker gasket. It starts if I put the choke rod in, but soon I fave to remove it, and flip the choke spring 180 degrees over, to the main governor spring post, r it will bog down too rich! When I get anther $500 saved up, I am going to Toro Menders in ATL to buy a replacement 223CC engine, and a new DECK for another $100. Final note, there is a Hi Lift Blade kit, including a new front V shaped shield that bolts in with the front wheels assy - critically IMPORTANT, IT USED TO just fill the chute with grass. ------------- for the past 8 years it will FILL the bag with even wet grass- My thoughts, nothing else is safe on my sloped back yard, and at 150lbs for me, I can easily handle this 135lb mower. Just skip the $200 more Electric Start option, because it will be clunkier to use there. Just my thoughts after 8 years of Time Master troubles. And I replaced many broken cables, worn bearings, and belts Fyi, Hilary in GA

[@infernalaanger]

I'm not sold on any battery powered lawn equipment other than my Ryobi blower to clean out the garage. Still use my 2-cycle blower for actual work.

[@jaimeromo1647]

I'm still gas guy there nice mowers I have the comercial one and I like it

[@trevormuggeridge4560]

First Aussie 😁. Jimmy, looking forward to the rest of the review. 🤠

[@kenlong5033]

Jimmy Lewis. Was just wondering how much the 60V Max eTimemaster weighs.

[@billwhite5853]

I saw where someone complained about the cut quality due to lack of power. Any imput please

[@lifeandmylens]

Great video. I'm curious how the power / suction compares to the gas model?

[@GlennMcKeon-n5s]

It's never going to be the same due to the lower lift blades. You can put high lift blades on but be prepared for much less run time. So maybe not an issue if your lawn is really small or else you will need extra batteries.

[@danyeo]

@@GlennMcKeon-n5s 20AH can do a lot. I can mow 10k Square Feet with 7.5 AH in my Ego mower and I can handle that. To me around 20k square feet is a good amount, if you have acres to mow then stick to a gas rider.

[@nobrien1]

I have a 3-4 year old Toro 60V mower (model 20353). The average house lot size in the U.S. is less than a quarter acre, so after you take out the square footage for the house, driveway, and landscaping, the area to mow is even less. My point is that you don't need as big mowers as you are talking about in this video for most people. My Toro uses a single battery and I only use about 2/3 of it to mow my net 1/4 acre lawn. Additionally, the distances to push the non-running mower are much smaller so not having it running while moving it isn't really an issue. If you look at new 22 inch mowers at Home Depot, the Toro electric 22 inch recyclers are about $125 more today than the Toro gas versions. But, you don't have to buy gas, do tune-ups, oil changes, etc. The battery should be good for many hundreds of recharges and overall lithium ion battery costs are declining geometrically so a future replacement will be less expensive. And, electric motors basically last forever. (If I remember correctly, the motors in the trolley cars in San Francisco lasted for like 70 years.) Lastly, while not a reason by itself to change to electric, there is a side benefit of less pollution. Studies have shown that running a gas mower for an hour creates the same pollution as driving a car for 50 - 100 miles (varies by study). I understand that electric isn't the solution today for every lawn situation today but I do think it is for the average homeowner, and it will be for more and more as the technology evolves.

[@adamhancock6288]

So glad you put this video out. Im excited to try out the etimemaster for myself. Im curious if you have any comments on battery life. Currently running an Ego select cut xp on a 10ah battery, and i always have approx 50% power left when im done. Tried the gas timemaster, but had some issues in the first 3 days of ownership, so it went back to the store. I have approx 7000 square feet to cut. How's the battery life on max cut setting?

[@aliaskink]

I just purchased a 2156sp ego. I can get my 1/4 acre lot cut 2x per 10ah charge. Would not be a fan of having the blades always engaged. That's a big no no

[@JimmyLewisMows]

I’m running some tests, especially with the other blades. Will have another video out soon.

[@kenlong5033]

Jimmy, What is the weight of the Electric model compared to the gas model? Thanks. Nice video.

[@randyowens4437]

Disappointing that they stayed with the same belt and pulley system. That’s the Achilles Heel of the gas models IMO. I’ve gone through every belt/pulley/spindle at least once and most of them 2 or more times in 9 years as a homeowner mowing approx .5 acre of turf. I was excited about this model until I realized it’s the same as the gas model with the addition of an electric motor. :(

[@zachdailyfost4433]

I am really curious as to the size of the motor they are using for the these, as the Toro 22in is a 2kw motor, ( blade is a light weight, switching to normal toro blade)

[@freightking1757]

I had a 2013 for 10 years. Only belt I replaced was the self propell belt. My engine lugs did come loose. Actually lost one. Don't think I'm ready for an e- mower. My yard currently take about 1:20 min with my new 2024 toro timemaster.

[@ColeSpolaric]

I wish they would at least put an electric motor on the drive wheels. I think it would be more efficient as well. No parasitic loss in belts. If they can find a way to use 2 motors for the blades that would be great, just have to keep them in time

[@GlennMcKeon-n5s]

This would eliminate their Personal Pace feature which is fantastic as long as it does not lock up when trying to pull the mower backwards! I have mowers with both systems and I much prefer the Personal Pace system, even with it's occasional quirks!

[@ColeSpolaric]

@@GlennMcKeon-n5s they could keep personal pace. Instead of adjusting how much pulley engagement, it would adjust motor speed instead

[@GlennMcKeon-n5s]

Does any battery mower have this yet?@@ColeSpolaric

[@ColeSpolaric]

@@GlennMcKeon-n5s I'm not sure, but it seems easily doable. I have enough knowledge of electronics to know that it can be done for not a lot of money

[@GlennMcKeon-n5s]

As you can see, Toro did as little redesign as possible here. They basically retrofitted an electric motor and batteries to replace a gas engine and fuel tank...changing as little else as possible@@ColeSpolaric

[@cahg3871]

I have a Toro 60 v Recycler with Personal Pace,and it has a hard time going up a steep incline.Does the gas Time Master tackle hills better?

[@paulniezabytowski7170]

Thank you very much for this informative video! Toro says the eTimeMaster can run up to 65 minutes on two 10 AMP batteries. So I was wondering if the mower could run on one 10 AMP battery for a shorter period of time? If so, I would assume for up to about 30 minutes.

[@PaulSikkema]

The eTimeMaster can run on one battery in any of the three slots.

[@TheRosebudz]

I'll wait for the exmark one

[@garlandholland]

I love to have one but at that price I would buy a standon or zero turn for $1000 to $1500 more.

[@laurapalmerTDGE]

Not in the near future I think 😂. " As low as $39,999 or $1,060 per month " for an Exmark electric ... Exmark = Toro.

[@LL-mt2nz]

Lol you should shop in Canada for a real price shock!

[@laurapalmerTDGE]

@@LL-mt2nz Bonjour bonjour. Have you factored in the 'Maple Leaf Markup'? It's an economic phenomenon where goods in Canada, including Exmark mowers, tend to be pricier due to a range of factors like import charges, regulatory compliance, and market size. You think quality is worth the money? And are you a hobbyist or a pro? Bien à toi.

[@LL-mt2nz]

@@laurapalmerTDGE I’m not a pro, but I do appreciate nice equipment.

[@laurapalmerTDGE]

@@LL-mt2nz - That's the right approach if you ask me. Quality takes precedence and that makes the work more pleasant. Everything has to be fine with me, from sharp blades to the best trimmer line to the perfect 10w30 and spark plugs. And therefore years of fun. And of course also great results due to the experience that has been built up over the years. But to make a switch to electric now ... I don't see myself doing that right away. Perhaps in a few years some elements, including a hedge trimmer. Although I am extremely satisfied with the HS 87. A GX 35 from Honda weighs a bit too heavy for me, I may replace it with a Stihl that is more manoeuvrable. And even then, the main reason for me is that I had a tendon transfer to the shoulder two years ago, which makes abduction uncomfortable after some time. My garden is a modest 1,600 Square Meters so that's not too bad. The Advanta Renova overseeding looks beautiful. Only here and there voles that cause damage, but that is taking shape. Grtz.

[@SinghSingh-ci5yc]

Off subject, but did you build the shed yourself? If not did you purchase a kit?

[@toddhewett1027]

@Toro.. only an hour??? You do realize people buy these mowers have huge yards right? I’ll stick with my TurfMaster, yeah its heavy, its loud, but when I fill it up, it can do 2 acres+ on a tank(my yard 2x). Best part is when my lawn is wet, it powers through it like nothing.

[@modemfox]

You never mentioned anything about weight, are they roughly the same?

[@JimmyLewisMows]

Yes. Feels very similar.

[@fuckmenora]

And if rear drive wheels hit a 1 inch depression in lawn the deck edges bite into the ground and you have to drag the SOB off the high spot in your lawn

[@tb693ny6]

I have the makita 22" brushless e mower with no belts, only reason why i didn't go with Toro. Has Toro spoke of any plans to go belt less?

[@JimmyLewisMows]

Based on my conversation with them, they kept the belts because of cost and serviceability. They also mentioned that the brushless electric motor doesn’t vibrate like the gas model, and because of that they expect a significant decrease in issues with the belts and pulleys.

[@elian222]

This was clearly rushed to market by on-the-cheap-hastily hacking a brushless elec motor atop the existing TimeMaster cutting deck and drive system. Oh and for some extra fun and added value they decided to rewove the standard modern mower's ability to propel the mower sans blades engaged. Super disappointing... This electrified TmeMaster release should of been an opportunity for Toro to take their time and offer a completely redesigned 'E-TimeMaster' like model completely re-engineered from the ground up. I'm thinking something like a high-end EGO with dual blades and the signature TimeMaster 30" wide cut. I'd like to imagine somewhere in Toro-land there's a building where engineers tear down and evaluate competitors electrified mowers for ideas, reverse engineering, etc?!?!? If so, they'd at least have some idea of what a modern elec mower benchmark for features should be which this clearly is nowhere even close. On the positive side, at least they went the cheap/safe route so it being nothing more than a warmed-over classic TimeMaster with an elec motor it should be tough and reliable insofar as the cutting deck/drive system. So there's that... I honestly cannot think of any even remotely valid use cases for buying this mower, especially so given the significant additional purchase cost over the existing time-tested ICE model, unless one is somewhere like California or some place that has or will soon mandate the stop-sale and/or use of ICE powered push-mowers. For the asking price they could of at least included a third battery for some additional run-time - at least something to incentivize folks to buy this overpriced, under-engineered-featured 'e-mower' version of a classic ICE TimeMaster. End of rant...

[@monzav8]

So this new one also uses the same transmission instead of an electric drive motor? If so that’s very disappointing as the gas mowers transmission is it’s weakness on very hilly yards

[@coltonhenderson482]

60v doesn’t mean anything to me but battery life what is the power equivalent too?? 223/ 150?

[@cactusray3368]

Is the electric version significantly quieter than the gas powered model and is the power comparable?

[@JimmyLewisMows]

No to both unfortunately.

[@cactusray3368]

@@JimmyLewisMows Thank you for the reply! I live in California so it's going to be hard to find the gas powered model because of the gas engine ban. I have to locate a dealer that has one in stock because ordering a new one from the factory is now illegal for both businesses and individuals.

[@KeepItMowed]

I've operated the Timemaster from the very beginning for my business. I've been critical and positive through the years. I'm sure they don't like my honest reviews, but thats ok. Just looking at this "E" Timemaster, it looks like a Rushed slapped together battery mower. No blade brake feature is stupid as it comes. I was really hoping they were going to come out with something I'd have to buy because it was unbelievable. Unfortunately, at this price I think I'll pass on this paperweight.

[@allensadicario5196]

Which one you like better

[@JimmyLewisMows]

Still working on that

[@ultimaetsolder]

Biased and sponsored video...

[@mikegreene7437]

Curious on the weight difference 🤔

[@JimmyLewisMows]

They feel very similar.

[@GlennMcKeon-n5s]

They are the same.

[@travisgarrett1478]

Is the motor the same one that's on the toro 60 volt 21 inch. Someone commented on a night video that he swapped out the motor of a 21 inch electric mower onto his time master.

[@JimmyLewisMows]

I don’t believe so. This one has a lot more power.

[@sjstanislav]

A shame Toro reusing the belt system for blades and drive systems. They could have addressed the major reliability problem in these by going direct electric drive. You'd think for reusing most of the engineering of the gas Timemaster that the price would be lower.

[@suzrmx250]

Does the devk still clog as bad ?

[@sparklawns3433]

This was never designed to make a gas to electric transition, it was only created to shut up all the people complaining why there was no 30" electric. The same people won't buy it because of the price tag, they're essentially going to be sold to a very small niche market, and commercial users won't touch it with a 10 ft pole unless they're forced to by local ordinances or if they already have a massive budget to play with new toys.

[@ericrebert1378]

Its definently cool but the price point will kill this model. Get production cost down and I'd imagine a large following.

[@biffhenderson1144]

weight is a big difference between. if you don't want deep ruts in your yard over time.

[@newtonbrook]

No reason why they have to be so expensive.

[@JimmyLewisMows]

I say that about most things these days…

[@tellinustr8up]

it’s greed

[@TheCureThatKillz]

I completely agree. I remember just a year or two ago when the TimeMaster was $1,200. Then it went to $1,400, then $1,600. All for one reason and one reason only….GREED!!! I would have bought one for $1,200. But not for $1,400 and definitely not for $1,600. I can only imagine that TimeMasters aren’t selling nearly as well as they used too. Great job Toro. The next thing we know they’ll be going “woke” and coming out with a gender inclusive non-binary lawn mower powered by liberal tears.

[@TheCureThatKillz]

@@tellinustr8upit’s 100% greed bro.

[@freightking1757]

Cost?

[@sebastian56309]

I wish you would do a video of overgrown grass, not perfectly manicured lawn. What is the blade speed of the gas timemaster vs the electric one? Just subscribed in hope you will make the video and answer my question.

[@simonamaral9904]

How about they make the handles adjustable , the 60v super recycler handles have one little adjustment that doesn't do much of anything. Time to sell mines and go to Ego

[@terryramby8505]

Mower with it!!!

[@tombelanger5489]

What is Toro's commitment to providing batteries? I'm sure I will be able to buy gas for 15+ years. Will batteries be available for 3 years, 5 years, 10 years, 15+ years. Nothing else matters if it can' be powered.

[@Dayjob351]

Look into oso 21 “ mower

[@henrythompson5624]

2018 gas here too no problems residential use only one acre of land at a time maybe that's the commercial people that's having problems with their machine

[@temujinkhan6326]

if consumers are smart they would wait another 3-5 years before buying these EV mowers. You are basically the test subjects and paying an arm and a leg for it. ALso maany of these guys doing a review got them for free from toro so they cant be completely honest about the issues and must suger coat real problems

[@GlennMcKeon-n5s]

Jimmy: love your content for the most part, but it is blatantly obvious that you will never say anything bad about a piece of Toro equipment and you never/rarely reply to those who point out the faults of any of their equipment. It makes you lose credibility when you come off looking biased like that. It detracts from your attempt to present yourself as the "trusty nice guy". Is it because you are sponsored? If you can't make any criticisms because of that, you should not be reviewing that piece of equipment...or just just tell us that you are a Toro Salesman and not a reviewer.

[@edwardrichardson1367]

The technology is here for electric spindles to run the blades - look at the Revolution Series. The belts are problematic. In my light commercial work they need at least yearly adjustment and/or replacement. The extra grand for electric over gas is mainly buying you batteries. I myself own a 21" commercial Revolution and love it. Can't afford the rest of the Revolution Series yet. I will wait on the 30" until it is beltless, and joins the Revolution series. Ease of maintenance is one of the main reasons you buy electric, and this 30" misses the boat.

[@Chrisfragger1]

$2,250 for a push mower... That's kinda nuts.

[@miguelaldana4836]

I owned two toro timemasters and I won't buying battery mowers no good.

[@wadebeaumont7570]

Massive fail that can’t be propelled without blades spinning. That it even has belts is a compromise.

[@zooknutt]

Gas mowers are more powerful but u have to keep up with gas and oil When it come to mowing grass ill take a battery charge

[@JimmyLewisMows]

Gas and oil really isn’t that big a deal to keep up on to be honest. I have both gas and electric mowers and I would still, given the option, choose gas every time.

[@PascualAnguiano]

So the blades aren’t the same 🤦🏻

[@JimmyLewisMows]

Nope

[@Agent77X]

Electric TimeMaster is much louder!😮

[@JimmyLewisMows]

It is surprisingly loud

[@ultimaetsolder]

No way those toro batteries will work in 5 or 10 years...either new tech or won't last etc.

[@JimmyLewisMows]

Maybe

[@Legendary_UA]

Since you have a crystal ball, when is the housing crash going to end?

[@ultimaetsolder]

@@Legendary_UA time will tell.

[@hongsitu3429]

Max battery life means minimized power. Dont buy toro electric mowers. They are a hot pile of crap. Stick to gas if you want a toro.

[@LL-mt2nz]

I owned both. So each has its optimal use case.