The Kwite Accusations Are NOT What You've Heard...

[@vampzyxo]

The fact kwite was essentially forced to show his face and throw a bunch of his insecurities and past on the table because of a seemingly false accusation is insane. I feel really bad for kwite.

[@vampzyxo]

And the fact that this all seemed like an attempt to bring his career down because kwite didn’t want to be back in contact anymore is also super insane

[@angeIcakie]

i guarantee that the reason why Orion called Kwite out was because Kwite had cut ties with him.

[@Devilspade]

It honestly makes me so mad, nobody should go though this ever

[@Ta-m01]

Yeah

[@howdoesonesocial]

@@angeIcakie Honestly. I think it was like, if you won't give me attention, then I'll just make your life hell. The allegations are so flimsy that i don't think Orion ever expected to never be found out. I think he just wanted to cause as much mischeif as possible and destroy Kwite's mental health as revenge.

[@Pobert69]

False accusations just make it 20x harder for actual victims to get their voices heard

[@ActuallyHoudini]

EDIT: I GET IT I GET THE DOCUMENT WAS FORGED PLEASE STOP TELLING ME I FUCKING KNOW EDIT 2: READ MY OTHER FUCKING COMMENTS BEFORE RESPONDING TO THIS ONE I HAVE HAD FUCKING ENOUGH OF THIS BULLSHIT, FUCK!! he did provide proof of being sexually assaulted, which was a letter from a therapist that details him showing most of the signs of a victim of sexual assault. what could have happened was a merging of memories, which is a sign of intense trauma, where in their head they mistook their sexual assault with the sex with kwite. this isn't to say he is in the right or that he should've done this the way he did or that kwite should just suck it up and leave, but it is probably a sign of deepened mental trauma. maybe a form of psychosis or paranoid schzophrenia. paranoid schizophrenia is very commen in victims of sexual assault, with the most infamlus example being valerie solanas. a paranoid schzophrenic misandrist who tried to kill andy warhol in 1969 over a non-existant dispute about who owns the rights to a play she wrote. she was a victim of sexual assault through her childhood up until her early adulthood. this isn't me diagnosing the dude, but i just hope he gets the help he needs to avoid this pattern of behaviour again.

[@Brainlessness7138]

@@ActuallyHoudini Wasn't that document he provided proven to be fake?

[@pandozmc]

@@Brainlessness7138 commenting so I get a notification whether it was proven fake or not

[@JamesP7]

@@pandozmc It was proven fake. There were typos, the symptoms were copy-pasted from Google (Orion even accidentally pasted one of the symptoms twice), and the signature was extracted from another source as the pixels around it didn’t match the document.

[@HoneyBee-im3ny]

​@@pandozmc It was. I can't post photos on YT but there is somebody showing how it's fake. Two biggest signs is two repeating bullet points and the signuranture.

[@Brodie3K]

10:43 Orion just SAYING things like, "I had his phone number, had met his parents, knew his address, and had SECRETS on him" is so gross and scummy.

[@faeb.9618]

it's horrifying honestly. i had a friend that more or less was doing the same things towards me minus sa accusations because i am luckily paranoid enough and careful enough that i have never put my pics up online or released personal info, so all they had were my social media and an online friendship. they still managed to stalk me online and dig up my early 2010s deviantart account that i had completely abandoned and forgotten about and had no relations to on any current account whatsoever. what some people are capable of is terrifying

[@ShendonV]

I’m getting a huge gut feeling that Orion is currently stalking him or is at the very least planning to. Either way I hope Kwite is unable to see him again.

[@KIDhazama]

Talk about a Freudian slip. The second they said they had secrets on him is when I knew something was off. The way Orion said it just felt wrong.

[@Likeomgitznich]

Yea, when he played that part I physically cringed and said “what the actual fuck”

[@mieko7785]

Those are what a manipulator would say. "had SECRETS on him" is basically Orion's way of telling everyone in that one video that he has stuff against Kwite that he isn't afraid to use.

[@notenoughmemes1847]

Someone should tell Orion that falsifying medical documents is a federal offense.

[@triotriggerhardt4035]

I'm sure people have. And if not, I'm sure the doc he took that signature from, who has been contacted about this, will let him know.

[@moraelity]

People have but he doesn’t care. From the messages, he reminds me of my own ex friend who did this sort of thing. These people don’t care who they hurt, they just double down again and again because they want attention or to be what they say. They have a weird obsession with being a victim

[@sgtstr3am785]

What set me off was "I'm working on,my BPD diagnoses." No you're not it's not a degree that you're striving for. A therapist diagnoses you or you don't have an issue you're just an asshole.

[@dianaarriaga4054]

Real 💀

[@Poppipower]

Someone should tell Kwite that SA isn’t okay

[@ShendonV]

The fact that he felt obligated to even show his face because his “victim” leaked his face on the internet must be so invasive for him! It’s extremely vile for Orion to potentially put him in harms way over shit he didn’t even do! Orion had half a decade to learn from his own mistakes, but no, he instead dug a deep hole for himself because he wanted to ruin someone’s life even more to the point of possibly breaking the law! He needs to screw off the internet for good and either go to jail if he’s able to or just learn to leave people the fuck alone!

[@Reddzion]

Possibily breaking the law? He's done slander/defamation, faked a medical document and made a false SA claim, there's 3 crimes there.

[@mudadino]

Orion dug himself a hole so deep he can actually get into legal trouble

[@ShendonV]

@@mudadino Damn near the earth’s core

[@marionette8739]

I want Kwite to sue for defamation and libel.

[@marionette8739]

Considering the precedent set by the Johnny Depp v Amber Heard suit, it's been proven that you can use Tweets as evidence in those types of suits. It will be painfully easy to prove defamation and malice in this particular case, so he's got a good chance of victory.

[@eutopian319]

This is truly disgusting, I do hope Kwite is doing okay.

[@neraslight4997]

A good man was fucking ruined, the rap-up of his explanation had me feeling down with how he said he doesn’t think his career is worth it it anymore, I don’t blame him at all and I hope he makes a well return from his break.

[@udednow]

I understand it isn't the same as the Slazo incident, but didnt Kwite jump at the chance to tear out his former friends throat and cancel them over false and extravagant allegations?

[@eutopian319]

@@udednow i do agree there, fair point.

[@blank1393]

@@udednow He responded to the slazo situation in the response video he made its a pretty short segment

[@AmazingAutist]

​@@udednow does that make this right? He addressed this in the video, and apologize to slazo again. On top of that, while what he did was wrong and is not justified, it is at least understandable as he is a victim of sexual assault himself.

[@loonychief5797]

kwite did not deserve this

[@Aaronnh]

this whole situation was terrible. im sorry for kwite.

[@XxSTACKxX]

Sounds like my ex. They also have bpd

[@AnarchoTak]

@@XxSTACKxX same my ex was like this but they were more love bombing and then randomly say I'm inferior and stuff and were suicidal every time I didn't talk to them. my ex was like this diagnosed with BPD.

[@CT-hr9nk]

Man, i feel so so bad for kwite, i hope he recovers from this. :(

[@XxSTACKxX]

@@AnarchoTak yea I got the love bombing stuff too. I was never told I was inferior. But I definitely got told somewhat similar things. It’s crazy

[@bonjouritsready]

@@XxSTACKxX Orion probably doesn’t even have BDP. Those type of chronically online people tend to hoard any condition that they think makes them a) quirky or b) absolves them of any accountability

[@spookystarry]

it’s horrible that orion has made REAL s/a victims have a harder time coming out about their struggles. so many of their followers in their replies were talking about how disappointed they were in him, and many said they were also s/a victims. i find it disgusting how people went from sending kwite death threats because of orion’s claims to doing a 180 and talking about how much they supported kwite. i really hope kwite recovers from this and i hope him and his family are safe, i can’t imagine how difficult this is for them.

[@TheAbyssro]

people are really so fast to jump on one side (usually the supposed victim) without the person giving any hard evidence and basically only using hearsay.

[@null6209]

@@TheAbyssro This, mother fucking this, people want a victim on which to project their own victimism, without thinking twice about evidence or how these affects the "alleged abuser"

[@TeoUnreleased]

​@@TheAbyssro probably feminist most act like men can't be SA Victims or they are all Ra**sts kinda stupid how low IQ Twitter Users are

[@monsterbrat]

@@TeoUnreleased don't bring feminists into this.

[@TeoUnreleased]

@@monsterbrat with their recent activities why wouldn't we do you hear the shi they say about men also didn't they say Andrew is guilty until proven innocent like I said most Twitter Users are dumb af

[@gothica_temptress]

When I watched the 'victims' testimony I realized a lot of things, as a long-time viewer of Kwite I realized how many badly patched places the story held. I feel so bad that he had to open up to so many people unwillingly just to try to free himself from being called a 'rapist' I feel horrible for him, I really enjoyed him and his videos and the whole thing sucks. I refused to unsubscribe from him and kept checking for a response. Because the story just felt too weird and patchy.

[@CasperTheRamKnight]

that shit look liked a wattpad fanfic more than a "confession"

[@CorruptedReality359]

I felt the exact same way. I refused to believe the accusations. It's a damn shame that we may have lost a great KZbinr because someone wasn't getting enough attention

[@CasperTheRamKnight]

@@CorruptedReality359 nah fr tho, that Orion bitch was so Braindead, what did she expect? To Kwite be quiet and let this shit pass? hell naw those mfs gotta think first lolol

[@nyagggl]

@@CasperTheRamKnight LMAAOAOOOO

[@CasperTheRamKnight]

@@nyagggl asdfghgfrdbgfrfv

[@PokePony64]

there was something scary when Orion said in that video "I have his address, his secrets, i know his parents because we were best friends" - like in some way they're flaunting around that they have this sorta power over Kwite. They released his face, that is a form of doxxing. That is not okay. Also, in most cases, abusers DONT want you to know that information - they isloate you, they control you, they don't want ANYONE to know of their situation. Idk this situation just sounds really weird to me.

[@pastelguts6182]

When you're in the relationship sure, but a narcissistic abuser will look at every break up or falling out and even just distance growing between former friends as a betrayal. They will then use everything they know about you to punish you for leaving or disobeying them. and yes, lying about about the victim 'actually being the abuser' is a textbook tactic of narcissistic abuse. And it doesn't help that Orion has self admitted BPD, which leads to extreme views of relationships ie; I love this person so much nothing will ever come between us, they are late to dinner by five minutes they must be cheating fuck them fuck this I hate them they'll suffer for what they've done to me.

[@christianrodriguez3957]

Man it sucks that kwite got forced to unmasked himself because of Orion I really hate when fans or people who are close to the popular creator forces them to unmasked just because they are “best friends” you are not a friend if you did that to a faceless content creator

[@popsicIes]

@@pastelguts6182 Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't people with BPD sometimes have an FP? Do you think Kwite was (unfortunately) this person's FP, and that's one of the reasons why he was so nuts with Kwite?

[@pastelguts6182]

@@popsicIes I believe so, though I know more about narcissism than I do BPD.

[@grippekatze2313]

@@popsicIes just curious, what does fp mean?

[@approximateknowledge5577]

I watched Kwite's response today and he is so eloquent. I'm in my early 30's and seeing such a young man deal with this breaks my heart. He was very calm and mature and did a great job showing where Orion's story didn't add up. I'm sad for him that he had to out sooooo many private details about himself that he wouldn't have broadcasted otherwise. This makes me want to support him more.

[@nekoqueen22]

Kwite is cool and I wish this didn't happen to him

[@anglepsycho]

Even having to explain during a very biased mediator call his house was FLOODING and he had a HURRICANE proves alone that he was super stressed and being called a rapist is just... Fuck Orion. And no, not in the ass like he threatened Kwite with almost constantly, I mean like reputation wise.

[@WestGarbage6]

@@anglepsycho I agree with the point about the call, not only did Orion attempt to paint Kwite as gaslighting from the very beginning of the point about the call, thus effectively making everything he said or did that could help his case worthless, but he had to deal with a biased mediator who Orion stated "Knew better than to believe him" he was essentially forced into the call during a hurricane while his house flooded after he almost lost thousands of dollars worth of equipment, and then the fact that he got angry and emotional was used as ammunition against him? I'd have been pissed too, that's enough emotional stress to make anyone break down. And then after that his apology was labeled as Kwite "Trying to further gaslight" Orion with zero basis just to further defame him.

[@stewiegriffin5557]

Is anyone surprised that a person with mental illness, to the point they believe their a girl, would do something crazy like this? When a mentally ill person has only people that reaffirm their delusions, instead of rebuke them or actually try to help them with the truth, their going to be living in a whole different reality that doesn't make sense to anyone with a grasp on real life. No surprise that he tried to destroy someone that fed into his delusions because they thought it was the nice thing to do, it's not and it will only destroy that person's ability to function in the real world.

[@mothfeatherofriverclan439]

@Pat C Can not bring transphobia into this? Maybe just focus on the slander that Orion spread about Kwite

[@Snoebal]

Who else is thinking that when Orion finally responds again it’s gonna be something like “Sowwy for false awegations 🌟🤪🧚‍♀️ my BPD and Autism made a woopsie🧚🧚🫣😱🤪😜”

[@Josefuumii]

"you can't silly your way outta this one"

[@Inadefender]

"I was in a silly goofy mood😝🤪😜🔥✨️"

[@notaghere]

nah if they actually do that (as an autistic and BPD folk) I will be so mad holy fuck

[@thezonaiarchitect]

they did partially respond a tiny bit by forging fake medical documents showing a "psychological evaluation" filled with spelling errors and copy pastes

[@Y0UZHE4E]

YE😃

[@lavendermoonmilk3576]

Tbh I don't watch a lot of kwite but it looks like he's innocent so it is terrible to see that he has to deal with rumors like these....

[@joverplays9342]

who do you mean by "this man"?

[@gwenethp511]

I remember when Pyrocynical faced a bunch of grooming allegations. In order to prove his innocence he basically had to out that he enjoyed sexual furry role-playing and read some of his chats. It's so annoying that people will come up with false allegations that people have to release personal information to prove their innocence.

[@falcon_arkaig]

Is it just me (i know it's not) but do y'all notice 96% of these false allegations are towards male creators? Like I've ONLY seen false allegations be directed at male KZbin creators. But I have rarely seen false allegations towards female creators. Idk many I'm just living in my own bubble or something.

[@femboy-alex117]

@@falcon_arkaig you are correct my guy it's because even if a woman actually rapes a guy people will say things like "oh don't be a pussy you should be grateful" or "you should like that" since this has already happened multiple times

[@falcon_arkaig]

@@femboy-alex117 OMG Yeah, it's very disturbing. A female teacher could literally sexually assault a male student and ppl will legit make fun of him.

[@arttrixmix7178]

@@falcon_arkaig imo it's 2 things. 1. popular youtubers in and of themselves are more often male, so even if youtubers were accused at random, they would be more likely to be men, and 2. people are aware that female sexual abusers are relatively "rare" enough that it'll be a hard sell for the general audience they're telling the accusations to. part of why these false accusations are so effective is that people know and are aware that there ARE actually tons of moments of popular internet men genuinely being creeps (i only remember one or two who're women and they're definitely not as well known as kwite or pyrocynical), not just that but also everyday men in people's personal lives in general, and the liars take advantage of people by telling a lie that's "plausible" in theory :/

[@falcon_arkaig]

@@arttrixmix7178 Yep. I've seen so many KZbinrs getting canceled for actually good reasons, so I can barely trust any KZbinr anymore tbh. I was quite um, neutral about this Kwite thing before he released his video. I saw SO many people just automatically hating on him and calling him a r*pist and shit like that even when he hadn't responded. It's like. If he responded quickly and made a shitty video, people would've gotten mad at him. But since he took a bit of time to respond that made people think he was guilty by virtue of him...hmmm, not responding automatically? Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[@jacoblockwood4034]

If people aren't convinced about Orion's medical documents being faked, the document contains instances of the same section being repeated twice (probably copy-paste) and a fake doctor's signature

[@Xxanimegirl0xX]

It was lmaoooo

[@Talking_Ed]

Jail time moment lmao

[@MissRandomNomad0o]

@@TheProfessor230 Can't wait for jail and a headline on the news.

[@Khino.978]

Is there a way for me to report?

[@YaBoiJamo]

That’s a federal crime

[@HoDoBoDo]

At first I was conflicted, but now I'm aware that Kwite was 100% innocent. He didn't deserve this...poor guy :/.

[@ThatGayGuyFromHell]

THANK YOU HOLY SHIT; I WAS SO MAD THAT PEOPLE IMMEDIATELY JUMPED DOWN KWITE'S THROAT WHEN THIS DROPPED. I FELT LIKE I WAS IN A ROOM WITH TODDLERS. I waited till his side came out to make my opinions on things because THAT'S HOW THIS STUFF WORKS. (about about 14:30) This whole thing makes me so angry and sad. I love Kwite's videos and streams; which now he might not do anymore (which I don't blame him nor would ever hold that against someone since I'd do the same shit tbh). He didn't deserve any of this. It just makes me so upset that people keep doing this type of stuff; especially with SA. As a victim of long-term SA abuse, seeing people use it to cancel someone who didn't do anything just pisses me off to no end. It isn't a joke or something that is to be taken lightly, it destroys your mental well-being--which for the record, the way that Kwite responded to Orion's messages is the same thing that I do when I receive "those" kinds of messages from people I used to know. I don't know, I needed to rant somewhere Great video and thank you for covering this whole thing; I love seeing your stuff :)))

[@tgrey_shift..mp334]

Same. Unfortunately I seen this with Spector, Tobuscus, Dream, Pyro, Slazo, and many others through the years. In fact, false accusations have been an issue since the Middle Ages until the innovation of “innocent until proven guilty” was placed in England under their common law reform. Not to say it’s fruitless, but new generations don’t learn from old mistakes and I feel like it’s our collective fault for not preparing minds to not react like an angry mob. I hope there will be some major change in education regarding how situations like these should be handled or how to manage complex emotions when faced with cases because it honestly makes me sad how easy it is. Even personal friends and myself gotten falsely accused and were not even popular. Anyways, I just say this as a way to relate, give hope, and historical context of the larger issue of false accusation in past and modern times. Thanks for speaking out too btw!

[@kaydwessie296]

I wasn't gonna take sides until I heard both sides. Glad I stuck with that route

[@sophthesigma]

@@kaydwessie296 Same

[@syz3630]

Same. They didnt even try to wait or try to talk to them

[@MadeOfConfusion]

​@[T://Grey_shift.]#.mp3 it's rough since he was in the crew that immediately presumed full guilt for Slazo. Guess he understands the importance more now I imagine, but neither of them should have had to go through any of this.

[@spookypaladin4667]

You're one of the very few creators I have genuine respect for, one of the few who didn't jump at Kwite's throat without any proof, which is something you can't say about most nowadays despite the now many similar situations.... The internet never learns.

[@upd0g1]

Don’t encourage him. He is just gonna continue to approach things in a calm fashion taking account of the nuance. This means he will never grow and we can never develop the insane parasocial bonds that come with internet fame. So please. Don’t encourage him.

[@spookypaladin4667]

@@upd0g1 Oh fuck you're right

[@TripleTG]

Kwite has shown himself to be nothing less than a great guy and it's absolutely appalling that Orion could be so vile and malicious towards a person who tried so hard to support him. I hope Kwite gets the justice he deserves.

[@htsunmiku]

Maybe they want some kind of owner ship of him. But that went south (because surprise. Being pushy with friends and treating them like a therapist is not a good idea. I've been there and that friend spilt up my friend group 😅). Proof of this is that they keep on suggesting they become friends again. Even after everything. The classic Hurting someone because they wont do what you want anymore.

[@lindarose68]

Don’t forget Orion is bungs co creator for scp confinement who refuses to believe Orion is lying( so he is slandering kwite)

[@June.Pandora]

The fact its easy for people to conjure up DANGEROUS accusations just for the sole purpose of watching them fall or because they're lonely kills me. The fact real victims have to sit and watch all this and think "damn, now its gonna be even harder for me to put my story out there"

[@CChissel]

I’ve been through this before, where you have a friend with mental health issues, and they use you as a way to either make themselves feel better and to constantly be talking them down and reassuring your friendship. It’s honestly exhausting and they shouldn’t use regular people with their own mental health issues for this, they need professional help. And when you’re near the breaking point and need some distance, they use guilt and accusations to hurt you. It’s not good and is a tricky situation. I feel for Kwite, I’ve been in that exact position before and the best thing to do, at least in my situation was to cut off contact and recommend professionals they can talk to, or introduce them to a professional.

[@jczbas]

I had a friend like this and I was a ‘bad friend’ cuz ‘friends let friend vent’ it’s like bytch ur not venting u complain ALL DAY EVERY DAY AND CHANGE NOTHIN

[@oreoloki8872]

This comment just….opened something up for me, holy shit…….I think I have someone to talk to….

[@rasmachris94]

I feel the same, was in the same position with a girl I knew. If i spent a single day at home and not with her she'd threaten suicide. It becomes taxing and as an introvert with depression anyway spending all my time with her, trying to walk her back from the edge was killing me. I had no time to take for my own mental health and things gradually deteriorated. There's only so much of this stuff you can take before you stop caring. And Kwite was correct in calling them his abuser because this is emotional manipulation and abuse. To anyone reading this if someone you know is using suicide to keep you around, they are emotionally manipulating you. It is not your responsibility to keep their mental health in check - it's theirs. The most you can and should do is be there for them when times are tough, make reasonable suggestions about how to improve/combat the negative thoughts and when things get real bad welfare check / advise they see a professional. This will emotionally destroy you if you dont. This is why I'm emotionally unavailable at the moment and kicked me back into my depression when I was just breaking free of it. It's a co dependency that relies on you sacrificing your own mental health for theirs. As life guards say: 'I will try to rescue you, but that doesnt give you the right to drown me too.'

[@AntiVectorTV]

Clearly Orion's worst crime is being a Vriska defender. On a serious note, I really hope Kwite and his career are okay after this. He's clearly had some rough times and unfortunately even provably false r-word accusations tend to follow you when networking for a public job like he has. He should never have to deal with this.

[@Romanticoutlaw]

aight but why is every vriska apologist an actual asshole, it's a weirdly accurate common denominator

[@ma.2089]

I think he’ll be fine. Pyro got massive respect when he destroyed the allegations against him, so I’m sure Kwite will be in the same boat.

[@void_eagle4577]

​@@ma.2089 The differance is that Pyro only had to reveal 2 things. 1 that he liked furry shit, and that he used to do ERP. Kwite had to reveal his face, his self harm past, his mental health issues, and his insecurities. I'll honestly be surprised if he stays on the internet after this. Best case scenario is that he stays and grows a lot bigger. 2nd best is that he stops doing youtube and finds another passion to follow thats preferably away from the internet. He no longer Kwite. He's either that guy who destroyed that other guy who accused him of a sexual assault. Or the guy who committed sexual assault.

[@idontknowacoolnameso5758]

I feel so sorry for Kwite. He seems like such a cool guy. Also the fact that Kwite refers to Orion as HIS abuser in the end breaks my heart. False accusations are super bad and make it harder for actual victims to be heard. I was already on the fence when I heard the accusations, well just as Kwite said: "Trust, but verify"

[@kitten-whisperer]

Kwite dropping bombs. Decimating those accusations. No clue who he is but he killed it.

[@Marchers46]

Trust me, Kwite is a true king when it comes to commentary.

[@booyaboibob]

​@@Marchers46FrFr 😤

[@luv.ch0c051]

Thank you, Orion, for making it harder for actual victims to come out. I really do applaud you

[@BluAru]

Forreal. If you're not mad at Orion for affectively ruining Kwite's life, you're mad at him for being the reason real victims are denied justice and are not believed. What a douche.

[@fandomjuice]

not to mention probably increasing the stigma for trans people

[@faeb.9618]

man the moment i heard bpd i cringed HARD. now to be clear i dont think people with it are evil or anything like that. just that from past personal experiences with different people this sounds like a favorite person situation that got out of control, i had to cut two friends off because they suddenly became horrible people to me accusing me of things that didn't even happen or that i was picking favorites with other friends and didn't want them anymore. turns out i was their favorite person and that's why everything escalated. i feel so sorry for kwite, i hope he can recover from this

[@kandycult]

I have BPD and y e a h- my ex gf has bpd and it(neopronoun of ex) was almost exactly like Orion

[@captainspaceboy]

IF he has BPD, it's mostly likely he faked it

[@kandycult]

@@captainspaceboy hhhhh .(

[@daffodil3063]

Just for the record, just because you/someone is diagnosed with BPD, that doesn't mean that the actions BPD person chooses to make are excused. Sure, it is explained and other people should try to understand, to an extent. Having BPD and being a shitty person is not synonyms. If you fuck up, don't hide behind any diagnosises but make up or take the consequences of fucking up. It is not other people's responsibility to cater you, it is your responsibility to get therapy, medication, have a safety plan, explore better coping mechanisms etc. BPD is proven to be for most people not be a permanent diagnosis, you can get better. Time is on your side too. Sincerely a person with BPD. Also for others, don't armchair diagnose people you don't like with BPD, or NPD or anything else for that matter, I see this so often. "My mother wasn't diagnosed but I think she has BPD" things like that only creates more stigma.

[@oliviabigley3378]

Same, I’ve had a similar experience with my step sister who has BPD. She also accused me of this same accusation of sa. I’ve disconnected with her since then, but I seriously hope she took action in taking care of herself and her disorder and she sticks with it.

[@fluent_debt]

Kwite didn’t deserve this kind of harassment. All because he didn’t want to be a toxic person’s friend. Really shows the severity of the internet.

[@pocketproductions7206]

the fact that before he could even HAVE THE TIME to do his response people were flooding his tweets with "arnt you a r******?" really fucking says alot, the internet will never learn, let's stop the whole "we gotta stop doing this as a community"and instead publically shame those who engage in provably false cases, just fucking lace them down, make them feel what people like kwite had to, since they don't wanna fucking learn

[@pissboy047]

i cant believe this situation has made him scared to go outside. No one should have to be scared to simply live

[@wizardgod4325]

When I heard him say that I felt so sad. The poor guy didn't deserve this at all. Being labeled as a rapist when you didn't do it is awful.

[@emilybarclay8831]

Especially since Orion literally doxxed him by revealing his face to the world when Kwite clearly did not want anyone knowing what he looked like. People will now recognise him on the street. His privacy is now dead

[@gilbert7508]

Man I haven't watched a Kwite video in like 2 years. Poor guy has to deal with BS accusations that so many people automatically believed. It's like Bowblax said "Slazo 2.0".

[@awkwardsquirtle]

What's ironic is he was one of the people who helped make those accusations believable when it came to Slazo.

[@gilbert7508]

@@awkwardsquirtle Kwite is blamable for that but the difference is at the time the allegations against Slazo came out he genuinely believed them to be true.

[@sarahcote4724]

​@@awkwardsquirtle in Kwite's video he does bring up the irony of being in Slazo's place... the world sucks

[@rearrangeable]

I can only say this as a victim of someone with much the same behavior exhibited by Orion; it was absolute hell and was a constant barrage of being blamed for things that literally never happened. To such a degree that even those that actively lived with this person (and I'd literally only been in the same room as this person maybe three times with my spouse, and their then spouse) had to move out of their shared home and seek a divorce. This person who was a relative stranger to me painted my name as the cause for everything negative in their life. It was terrifying. It wasn't even worth it to argue with them because they'd apologize for their behavior to your face, then go on deranged tangents online. And as an actual victim of sa, this sort of behavior sets off every red flag for me. The calls alone egg on my PTSD something wicked.

[@Apoenzyme]

I'm so sorry you went through that

[@StefHMika]

it absolutely disgusts me that orion used such a serious and terrible topic as a way to get back at him. orion needs to face consequences for this. i doubted them due to their lack of proof and suspicious behaviour from the beginning but mostly kept my mouth shut about it, but now that kwites response is out i am glad he was able to make such a thorough response. i hope whatever way he chooses now moving forward will be the best for him and that this wont continue to hurt him. i dont know if jail would be a solution but orion NEEDS to at least be fined. the fact that they even faked a medical document on twitter for their PTSD is so ridiculous

[@jonathangoodwin5609]

Holy hell, Orion effectively ruined his life and his career in one go. I believe Kwite can and will recover from this. But the fact that Kwite might just completely quit KZbin because of Orion, to be forced to completely abandon his career. This whole situation really sucks.

[@myrjavi]

Orion will probably be having many, many issues if the whole internet hates them false accusers make me furious, glad to see this idiot get destroyed Orion must now look really hard to get a job or just try to live in peace…

[@Clockwithhands829]

Orion deserves to be in jail.

[@_synthicyde]

This really reminds me of the Pyrocynical accusations. The creator accused had to come out and dump every log of every interaction to prove their side and in doing so they release a ton of private, intimate, embarrassing things they should have kept hidden otherwise. I'm glad to see Kwite was innocent. I'm sad this is what he needed to do.

[@The_Funniest_Cut]

Pyrocinical’s case a little bit worse than this. Pyro was not innocent. Yes, he didn’t groom the victim and met them on an 18+ rightfully assuming them to not be underage yet continued to stay in contact even after finding out their age.

[@Mehhhhhhhh]

Pyro is a sicko

[@FH4Player6397]

​@@The_Funniest_CutIncorrect

[@MrKneeBeeYT]

didn't Pyro find out after they were accusing him of grooming? Also the minor wasn't innocent either for faking their age to get on an 18+ RP server. And I never heard he "continued to stay in contact even after finding out" And why would he stay in contact? The minor almost made him ruin his own career.

[@The_Funniest_Cut]

@@MrKneeBeeYT Doesn’t explain why he still stayed in contact after the fact.

[@VikkiVibe]

I'm disgusted with Orion. He's making it so much harder for actual victims to come out with their actual experiences. I pray that Orion gets faced with charges in one way or another, by Kwite or Kwite's family. I hope Orion is disappointed with himself by the end of this because there is no way he is getting out unscathed.

[@seeminglyseph]

I'm so tired of the Wounded Gazelle Gambit. It's such a common and popular abuse tactic and the internet has made it even worse. People need to figure out that a lot of abusers will try and make their victims look like monsters to gain even more sympathy and attention... edit: I think I worded this poorly, as people think I am indicating Kwite is pulling the gambit. The gambit relies on pulling the it first. I'm talking about the dude throwing baseless accusations as a way to continue to abuse and control someone who has obviously from just the little bit of evidence in this video has been struggling to escape the abusive relationship for a long time. The Orion guy called abuse first as an abuse tactic to hurt their victim and people were quick to believe him because no one has critical thinking. That's why you have to apply critical thinking in these situations.

[@shihokage8751]

Id agree if there wasnt the documentation of evidence kwite had.

[@aliquid2430]

Mate.... You can't be serious...

[@aliquid2430]

​@@shihokage8751EXACTLY

[@CryptiComet]

I remember when this first started I was honestly taken a back. I believe we should believe the victim and allow them to speak but not attack the accused. Especially not until they’ve had a chance to defend themselves. This is a perfect example of why.

[@blackberrybriars]

My exact views. Like Kwite himself said, "trust but verify." I'd never claim that the victim was lying, but trying to hurt someone and ruin their life with no proof at all is wrong too.

[@yuminamikko5551]

This whole situation breaks my heart- Kwite is one of my favorite KZbinrs and the fact he was forced to face reveal, talk about his insecurities and even reveal something as personal as being a virgin on camera for millions to see, just because he cut ties with someone toxic and that person decided to ruin his entire life is so fucked up. I am genuinely worried about him, because I can't imagine the weight of being accused of such horrendous things when you're the actual victim. I really hope he'll get better and this won't lead him to do anything bad to himself-

[@wizardgod4325]

I also genuinely feel so bad for him. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't return. He's my favorite youtuber and i hate to see him having to publicly admit such personal details. It disgusts me. He should have been able to keep his privacy. He shouldn't have had such an awful thing happen to him.

[@sxnbu]

watching Kwite's response yesterday was a roller coaster & i couldn't be more proud of him. & even though the relief of him being innocent is strong, unfortunately Orion made things 100x harder for actual victims to come out & be believed as well. i wish Kwite only the best & i hope those couple of weeks of fame was worth it, Orion :)

[@booyaboibob]

Fr. 😮‍💨

[@bakarogers7146]

To be fair, most actual victims dont have highly incriminating discord chats of themselves or forged doctor's notes copied from webmd

[@fenbyrat]

i think its crazy that not only did Orion lie, but he said REALLY predatory things :/ the "jokes" about basically raping kwite if he didnt do what orion wanted, even if jokes, are absolutely vile and I feel nothing but distain for this cruel, cruel person >:(

[@Poefeathyr]

It's clear to me that Orion was/is a parasite towards Kwite. He took advantage of Kwite's kindness especially with his depressive episodes. Trauma dumping is hurtful and the way Orion acted implies he would have hurt himself if Kwite just stopped responding to him. Orion honestly reminds me of my ex who I was afraid to leave because I was worried he'd hurt himself if I did. I truly hope things get better for Kwite in the future and I hope he can heal from this even if he doesn't come back to KZbin I wish him the absolute best, he really deserves it.

[@DeathsinkTV]

The way Orion is being described here sounds so familiar to me since I have dealt with the same kind of co-dependent, toxic, manipulative friends. Feels like Orion made up a lot of these accusations only because he wanted to make Kwite "pay" for daring to cut off this unhealthy relationship and move on from him.

[@JinxTiger]

There I am! I’m so happy with how you made this video and I’m happy to have a little cameo!! ☺️

[@JimmyRobins]

Thank you again, I’m glad you brought this to my attention

[@lantearia]

As someone who has BPD, it's common to villainize people who we aren't getting along with. It's also common to worship people who we are. Any good therapist would have worked with Orion, about this aspect of the illness. We have many difficulties with friendships and relationships, and, this is the one that bothers me the most. In my mind, there's little chance that people still like me when we're fighting. It's more likely they completely hate me, because, how could you yell at me or say cruel things to me, when you do still like me? But, I KNOW that's my BPD talking, even if not in the moment, I'll focus on that later, and try to make amends, if possible. A lot of Orion's behavior can be attributed to his BPD, in my opinion. HOWEVER, that's NOT an excuse. Not even near. If you're aware you have flaws and faults at something in life, you work on them. You don't weaponize them, especially not repeatedly. And, if someone tells you they can't be around you, because YOU are bad for THEM? Yeah, it stings. It hurts like hell. But, if YOU loved that person, you should ACCEPT them doing what is best for THEM. Even if it hurts. That's just my take

[@crazykay9422]

I never side with anyone when accusations like this come out, and it baffles me how so many do. Often immediately to whoever claims to be the victim. This is why more people are more scared then ever to be seen, to do something they love because if they get any kind of an audience and someone pins something bad on them they will forever be seen in a negative light. Not only thought it also makes things harder for actual victims to use their voice because false accusations are far too common. In just being a hive mind and not waiting for both sides of a story people are hurting everyone. By trying to sentence someone to death before hearing the whole case.

[@williamjenkins4913]

Especially with all the big name false accusations coming to light recently. We have seen in a big way how easy and common lying is. Can we just hold our judgement for a second.

[@femboy-alex117]

yeah I never believe any side but I noticed now that whenever there is a "Victim" i immediately think of it as being false even if I don't know the accused just because there are so many false accusations nowadays

[@mysterylovescompany2657]

Imagine emotionally overburdening someone & consistently disregarding all their boundaries, _in between_ persistently sexually harassing them, under the guise of "friendship", repeatedly until that person is so traumatised by contact with you that they melt down in anger + anxiety while being harried + shouted down by you in the conversation they _relented,_ against their own comfort, to have with you + your sleeper goon at _your_ insistence for _your_ benefit... And then being so furious at their actually being a whole-ass person, instead of your emotional comfort doll, that your response to that ego wound is to resolve to ruin their rep, social support structures, mental health, & career, in any way you can, up to + including selling yourself & other ppl the fictitious history-edit that _they_ abused _you_ in the worst way possible. Imagine having months of your shared messages to look back on which show again + again, _you_ being sexually aggressive towards them, with their response being pretty consistently passive + non-reciprocal, & in-depth discussions of _their_ sexual anxiety + dysfunction, & thinking - or worse, knowingly _lying_ to ppl - "Oh, yeah, this person definitely r***d me." I don't despise Orion, bc he legitimately seems extremely mentally ill - we _know_ he has Depression + BPD, + probably some degree of Anxiety, too - & it's entirely possible that he truly believes, at least by this point, that the history he tells genuinely _is_ what occurred. But he evidently needs much more extensive help than he's currently getting, some accountability CBT, & to get hit with a restraining order that protects Kwite from ever having to deal with his harassment + spite ever, ever, ever again . I _get_ feeling hurt when someone who previously reassurred you that they'd always be there for you changes their mind - to your eyes, bc of your compromised empathy, "out of the blue" - & reinforces your insecurity with the rejection you'd feared for so long, but he's ruined that poor man. Even if Kwite comes back to YT, his brand is fucked, his earnings are going to be massively damaged, the safety of his anonymity is gone forever, & now he gets to be anxious every time he leaves his house that some random who bought into the witch-hunt is going to approach + harass or assault him. Orion _needs_ to be held legally responsible for that, somehow. But disheartening, my previous experience witnessing a smart situation tells me that that's a very great deal easier said than done.u

[@desantemeh2122]

as a borderline, highly depressed person - no, mental health is no excuse for being a shit person. most of people with mental health are actually really cool seeing all the people i met at groups therapies. this? this is just being a bad person. he should get his shit together

[@mysterylovescompany2657]

@@desantemeh2122 I 100% agree; the person who did this to my dear friend for 2 years straight, deliberately + maliciously pursuing him through every new friendship group he managed to scrape together, ultimately drove that good, gentle man to a suicide attempt (thank G_d, we managed to find him before the drugs he intentionally ODed on had successfully ended his life). I 100% think my friend's abuser should be punished to the full intent of the law for Harassment + Slander occasioning Grievous Bodily Harm (as the poisoning had him in hospital for a while), & I do think Orion should be too - in his case, Harassment + Slander + Libel + Doxxing occasioning financial losses & personal endangerment. But I'm just trying to keep his fundamental humanity, * the possibility - however small - he may genuinely have been deluded that what he was saying was _true,_ after his internal history rewrite to justify the intensity of distress he felt after the trigger of rejection, in mind. I definitely think if a jury judges his mental health to have _genuinely_ lead to a false belief in the veracity of his claims, then he should either be remanded to an inpatient psychiatric facily until such a time as an overseeing Dr judges him mentally stable enough for release, & then be required to complete a community service term equal to the duration of the minimum imprisonment he would otherwise have been sentenced to if convicted, as well as attend long-term weekly therapy & demonstrate capability of successful CBT when faced with similar situations (& of course, comply with a big ol' Restraining Order protecting Kwite), all as conditions for his probation... Or else straight-up jailed for at minimum a year, while undergoing intensive psychiatric assessment + management, if convicted in Court of intentional Harassment + Slander + Libel + Doxxing occasioning financial losses & personal endangerment.

[@mqfii8992]

Orion's response Is beyond appalling. He faked a medical document reporting the SA and ran away.

[@BeingAnArtistWasAMistake]

let them know, thanks for the quick summery for those with smaller attention spans, i watched the whole 91 minute video and there is so much information, poor kwite, i hope he can take a good break for himself.

[@wizardgod4325]

I also watched the whole video. I was waiting to see it for myself before I formed an opinion and it was so hard to see him face reveal and share such personal information just because he was accused of something he didn't do

[@RileysBread]

I hate how people who supported the “victim” and called Kwite so many bad things and even went as far as saying he deserved to die. And now that they are turning around apologizing for everything, it’s horrible. Along with so many people are deleting stuff of them supporting Orion, it really shows how people will always jump to supporting the victim until getting both sides of the story

[@m4yr4i]

It is quite terrible when these people don't learn from their mistakes, absolutely.

[@destructokat]

And it happens often enough that you would think people would wait before sticking their foot in their mouth like that, but no, people on social media want your opinions right then and there before you get a chance to even breathe. When allegations come out, it's not a contest over how fast or how well you support the alleged victim.

[@wizardgod4325]

I had a youtuber I looked up to make a video supporting orion and they deleted the video. It made me so upset that they too, didn't wait for a response and jumped to conclusions. I'm so glad I stayed neutral on this situation. It feels unreal that this happened. I hope kwite handles everything ok. I can't imagine the amount of death threats or worse he must have got. The worst I saw was the comments saying they wished they never supported him.

[@opp_goblin]

this has been one of the most egregious attempts at character assassination i’ve ever seen. not only was this his second attempt, at slandering kwite, but we’ve seen him try to do this with other people above him too (kappa kaiju). i have never seen a more hateful soul. orions behavior is based purely in envy, hatred, and jealousy. i am beyond appalled with the behavior shown and i wholeheartedly hope that no good thing ever happens to someone so vile and disgusting ever again. edit: assuming that everything kwite said is true**** i shouldn’t speak as if anything is concrete, but i feel like at the very least, it’s INCREDIBLY safe to say that orion was lying about his accusations in some regard.

[@StudlyFudd13]

I helped a friend get through a relationship like this one before. It was his ex-girlfriend (they were dating at the time) if he said anything she didn't like she would threaten the self die, and self hurting (censoring for youtube and other reasons) He would have panic attacks for days on end over it when she finally would reappear again after he had "learned his lesson" her words. I worked with my friend for several weeks to untangle all the pain and fear and finally got him to ghost her entirely. He is much healthier for it now and got therapy afterwards after I told him to do so. All the shit that Orion was pulling (if everything in Kwite's video is true of course) was very very similar to what my friend went through. They never pulled the SA card on him, although there's still time for that apparently, cause these people never move on. He would go days without sleep with stress. People that do this sort of thing are a new form of sick in the head.

[@ClovisJRomanVA]

Honestly, the amount of times big names have been falsely accused of shit, you would think people learn from their mistakes and don't blindly believe some random allegation as if it's the absolute truth and yet each time, people eat it up immediately. The amount of people who jumped the gun and were like "you were my favorite youtuber, I can't believe you actually did this!" is insane

[@wizardgod4325]

I was thinking the same thing. I stayed neutral on the situation and I'm so glad I did. It felt so weird to see people hating on him and asking for an apology before he even got the chance to prove himself innocent

[@skeletn8513]

and yet, despite all the evidence against orion, orion still had the audacity to play victim and say "hes lying"

[@waynewhatsoever-fq4hs]

I remember seeing the original callout and it still baffles me how many people just up and believed Orion at first. And when they doubled down from saying Kwite deleted social media to he deleted all their messages together and not providing proof. People like Orion are making it hard for actual victims to come out or be belived but I also think a lot of people need to start having more critical thinking skills

[@mcflurryfrostie]

Exactly. It feels like social media sites are creating a generation of people that lose the ability to think for themselves and instead default to whatever the trending or most liked/shared belief on a situation is. It's sad, honestly.

[@uatcgfhdhu]

Yep, common sense it's not so common.

[@shrimps_clips254]

At the time of the original accusation coming out, I was mainly neutral although I did unsub to Kwite just incase it was true. Now knowing what I know, originally I genuinely believed that the person that Orion was in the photos with wasn't Kwite, I even told my friends this. But now we do know that it is. I find it honestly disgusting that Orion went of of his way to ruin Kwite's life. I hope Kwite does get better after this situation as it's truly scary. I don't wanna talk too long as other comments say most of the points I want to say but way better. I hope Orion gets help though, as practically doxing Kwite through just revealing his face was damaging enough. Along with these allegations I'm worried for him..

[@neoqwerty]

Also went the cautious "unsub just in case" way. I also did extra digging into Kwite's past and previous alt and the worst I could find was that (ironically enough) he trusted Slazo's accuser over Slazo, so he seems to be attracting abusive and petty people. Poor guy needs to find the crazy magnet pulling that type of toxic people to him and get rid of it ASAP.

[@mcflurryfrostie]

Did you resub? It's the least you can do to support him, after finding out what he went through. It's the mob mentality that blindly believed only in Orion that helped to bring about this in the first place.

[@Foxy-Mask_Menace]

I hadn't heard about these allegations, but it's really sad that Kwite's face was revealed from this.

[@B1tterSweeet]

I got the tweet recommended when it was well tweeted and didn’t really believe it idk didn’t think kwite could ever do something like that, today I watched kwites video and I feel so bad for the guy

[@miriwastaken]

holy shit. to say that orion is rotten to the core feels like such an understatement. i just hope kwite's okay, and that he at least has a support system of some kind that he can reach out to, either online or irl

[@quagsiremetalhead1401]

One of the worst parts about this, is this is just gonna make his sexual anxiety worse. If he comes back or not, I am praying that he gets past this, cos he just seems like a normal chill dude

[@christianthrasher8677]

I really hope Orion gets put in jail for what he's done

[@BiggieCheeseJr.]

This is really sad for kwite. I hope that he can find some security and come back when he's ready. He should've never dealt with this and he deserves retribution for what Orion has done to his reputation.

[@TheAndroidNextDoor]

The advantage of not being terminally online is that I missed the entire accusation part and only had this show up on my radar after both sides were already out. Best advice to come out of this situation would be to not believe every accusation and remember that our society is supposed to operate on the axiom of "Innocent until PROVEN guilty." And also, a lot of really stupid people could have avoided looking even dumber than they already are if they just weren't on Twitter 32 hours a day.

[@awknAngel]

As someone who's dealt with self harm, SA, and just out right manipulative abusive friendships, absolutely my heart goes out for Kwite. Part of it also goes out to Orion - but not in support or belief of his allegations - but instead, of the fact that this young man (Orion) has clearly gone through some serious emotional trauma. Something has driven him to spin this tall tale for attention, support, or a personal speculation of mine; a way of gaining control/justice from someone he believes he can get it from, where he can't get it from an actual abuser in his life. (ie. a SA victim reported and sought 'justice' on a former friend who'd they'd once been perhaps 'led on' by, because their actual SA abuser had already somehow, got off scott free.) In no way would that excuse any of these allegations - false, or even true - as any allegations of this manor should always be taken seriously; though sadly when false ones are indeed made, of course that makes it harder for actual accounts of SA to be looked into, etc. My personal take away, is that these two had a friendship, that lacked proper communication, and boundary respect and/or setting. Which, is going to be sadly common for young people (young adults and younger) to get themselves into; *usually* without intent from either party, but obviously there are going to be bad bad people out there. TLDR: Boundaries were crossed, people were hurt, and now people are suffering. I have my personal opinion on who may be the truthful here - Kwite, given evidence provided currently - but in harsh reality, only these two know the truth truth, and we can only speculate and hope for truth and actual justice in this case, wherever it may *truly* stand. Note to Jimmy in the odd chance you read this long comment - thank you for this video, it summed up everything leading up to now incredibly well. It was easy to follow, and decently neutral, sharing both sides claims, counters, etc etc. .x

[@titgriffin1512]

Imagine if every supervillain just starts to use sexual assault accusations to get superheroes to show their true identities

[@Thrarm]

i should try tha- i mean, villains should try that

[@juicebox7372]

Thats such an interesting comic concept I wonder how that would play out

[@Dippyyyy]

And the fact that Orion is trying to soften the blow that they know their going to get by saying they have mental health issues 🙄

[@KyrieFortune]

I had an ex with BPD that while never went as low as falsely accusing me, or anyone, of rape (she did accuse her former employer of sexual assault but there were witnesses, it was unfortunately all real), she did exhibit many traits Orion had, and me with some unspecified mental illness myself (never got diagnosed, I think it's either depression or bipolar disorder) I could not have supported her as much as she needed and deserved. She now has a much better suited partner and has worked through many of her issues even without medication, and I am very happy for her, she is a good person that has gone through a lot of bad things. Orion deserves absolutely nothing and should go straight to hell.

[@Maker0824]

Orin sounds similar to how I acted before therapy. I can tell you first hand those kind of people are a total drain on their friends. I was able the get help, but I don’t know if they are going to be willing to change. I feel bad for Kwite having to deal with that

[@katylepetsos7512]

Let us not forget that Orion did ALL of this just because they were butthurt about Kwite not wanting to bang them and would’ve accepted any of their advances towards him, Kwite cut him off because Orion was a toxic friend and they tried making him the bad guy. I hope Orion gets what they deserve and I hope Kwite gets to start living a better life now that he’s proved himself innocent.

[@BTM_771]

the fact that Orion is 21 years old and doing these types of false allegations on somebody who is just a year older than him is really shocking to me. I will admit that I took Orion's side at first, but then I took some time to think and then I remembered stuff about the Spoctor Tech drama. that made me become neutral, because “what if this is that same type of drama?” turns out I was right in the end. remember guys, don't always take the first side until the other side has a side of their own, then you can make your own opinions, deductions and criticisms based on that.

[@emilybarclay8831]

Isn’t Orion a year older than Kwite making him 23?

[@benjo90]

people seem to forget the whole "innocent until proven guilty" idea. people are too quick to act as judge, jury, and executioner despite rarely having even half of the facts. people who say "well, even if we're wrong at least we weren't *potentially* supporting an abuser" seem to ignore the harm they caused the innocent person being accused. like, i understand the reason behind the idea of supporting the victim no matter what, but instances like this are reasons why we as viewers need to stay neutral in these topics and wait for a response before lashing out and irreparably damaging an innocent person's life. not to mention, continuing to support an accuser no matter how patchy and unrealistic their story is will only hurt future victims and therefore making the reason they're supporting said accuser unconditionally all for naught.

[@ingwahte]

happy I caught this before heading to bed! thanks for the summary on the whole thing, it seems like it's a trend these days to try to expose popular creators in order to gain clout. I won't take a side on this as I've only just heard about it but so far it's looking pretty cut and dry in terms of who's in the wrong here.

[@ashpickens]

As someone who's actually survived these things, false accusations are disgusting. I hope that the situation gets resolved, nobody deserves this shit.

[@hachi9404]

as someone who's had false allegations of against me, its not fun. and its stressful as fuck. I can only imagine the stress kwite is going through

[@wizardgod4325]

I fell so glad I've never had to go through thus, but I can imagine the toll it must be taking on his mental health. I hope he takes all the time off that he needs, and if he dosent come back I completely support him

[@ReturningSomeVideoTapes]

You should just do what I do, don't go outside or communicate with anyone in person, no accusations for me.

[@stevetrzz]

Bro. I legit knew it. The moment I heard of these accusations, I thought, “oh boy, yet another clout chase”

[@Geospasmic]

I was unaware of the situation until I saw Kwite's response, and I'm so glad. I would hate for my opinion of someone to be poisoned by hearing false accusations. The last few weeks must have been hell for him and I'm so sorry for everything he's been going through. I would totally understand if he left KZbin permanently, but with the tide of opinion seeming to be in his favor I hope he'll come back. I'll be waiting to support him if he does.

[@wizardgod4325]

Me too. I hope he's ok

[@bleach-chan3199]

Damn I hope our favorite sentient hoodie keeps going with KZbin as it would sad if he left. were all rooting for you dude....

[@calamarinosquid]

Honestly, I'm just so disgusted by Orion. I believed him, and I rushed to re-tweet, like, send support through DMs because "Why would someone lie about such a serious thing?", it's so important we believe victims and let them feel like they are heard and seen but people like this, revolting people like Orion, who lie about being r*pe/SA victims just make it harder for us to do that when real victims speak out. I cannot stress enough how abhorrent it is to falsely accuse someone of A CRIME, not only are you ruining their life, but you're diverting the attention of people to your false accusations instead of the real ones we should be paying attention to. I feel so bad for Kwite, no one, and I mean NO ONE deserves to be falsely called a r*pist, and no victim deserves to not be believed; Orion is an asshole that is encouraging both of these things.

[@adamwallis3235]

This is why "innocent until proven guilty" is correct and "believe the victim" is a horrible mantra, because it gives ultimate power to anyone who makes any sort or accusation regardless of how baseless they are

[@femboy-alex117]

dude do you live in a bubble? do you know how sadly common false SA accusations are on this day and age? not only famous people but regular people get fucked by someone else just because

[@femboy-alex117]

BTW never believe anyone blindly remember innocent until proven guilty

[@calamarinosquid]

@@femboy-alex117 I understand your frustration, I'm saying that it's a horrible thing to do and experience. But as most people do (since most people have been SA'd or harassed) they empathize with the victim, I didn't condemn kwite, I wasn't calling him a r*pist or anything, but I did side with the victim and I did share their story simply because it is important that victims are heard and believed, but it is also as important that we also hear and believe the accused person when they defend themselves.

[@brendanthedreamer]

@@calamarinosquid So "I totally believe Kwite now" but "I totally accepted the lies at face value before any actual evidence was provided", this doesn't sound like a logically consistent framework honestly.

[@spiry__]

something that I'm always left asking myself when things like this come up is why do i feel the need to know this information about these people that i most likely won't ever meet/definitely won't know in that personal of a way ? i cannot imagine the damage it's done to have to be that vulnerable about private matters to so many people . maybe it comes with the territory that you have to do that in these situations, but i really wish it was different . heavily agree that it's good to be patient about responses to these things . i see why kwite has to reconsider if this is a career he can keep doing as well as the fact that he can't be anonymous anymore

[@justwhy9427]

My jaw dropped when he said Orion would call him a ch*nk. I’m aware that he said he was okay with it but that’s a 🚩🚩🚩to me. Like how do you even get permission to say something like that without sounding like a total dirtwad

[@RichieBre]

I’ve gotten a ton of medical documentation with tons of typos. I said to my Mom “they make billions of dollars and take all of my money, but they can’t even afford a grammarly subscription”

[@dixiemixie5386]

The first video I watched of you was your Boyinaband video and you immediately had my respect. A lot of times it feels like people make and consume drama videos because they find it entertaining, which is disturbing to me considering most of these allegations are of abuse. Seeing you do your due diligence and listen to both sides instead of rushing like a vulture is such a breath of fresh air.

[@ToxicLemonsyeah]

the fact that orions twitter thing says "vriska's #1 defender" is so funny, its always the vriska defenders doing fucked up shit

[@rebelcastlewood3247]

When the accusations first dropped, I remember a creator was going over what they will be talking about and how his face was revealed against his will, I stopped and waited to hear from Kwite. I rather be neutral and not take a side of a potential abuser or a potential liar. Kwite shouldn't have to been forced to reveal himself and shouldn't have been put through this. I do hope he does come back and Orion get some sort of punishment

[@SillyySunny]

I feel so awful cause I’ve had a friend like this before and I somewhat relate to kwite, having to always comfort them, making sure they don’t do something awful to others or theirselves, trying so desperately to talk them out of doing or saying awful things until I broke, dropping everything I was doing to help them and even distancing myself from people irl, and plus this whole situation is just horrible. Having to show his insecurities just to prove his innocence is just sickening..

[@mysterysclouds]

Allegations like these are getting way too common nowadays, and it’s insane to me that people will lie about whatever they want just for a drop of relevance. No person should have to go through what Orion alleges that he went through, but Kwite also did not deserve having his privacy tarnished, while also being publicly shamed for his insecurities. A little tip for anyone on the sidelines for when this happens again (I say when, because it will happen again) When allegations like this come out, do research, stay neutral, and don’t speak until we know both sides of the story fully. I do hope that Kwite returns to content creation, but after seeing all of this, I don’t think it’s likely at all. EDIT: Removed a really dumb statement I made at the top that said that I didn't want to stay neutral when it came to situations like this. I wrote this comment when I had just woken up, and I wasn't thinking straight, so apologies for that. Also edited the comment to make it easier to read.

[@mariotheundying]

In my case i stay neutral when this stuff happens, too many people accusing other people falsely which means we can't trust anyone when they accuse someone of crimes, but that doesn't mean to trust the supposed "abuser" either because we don't know if it's true or not, honestly i was quite annoyed at the fact that some people instead of being neutral chose to follow "guilty until proven innocent" when the "victim" could be lying like many other people did, but i didn't care at people thinking "innocent until proven guilty" which was a bad play on my part too cuz we didn't know the truth Also I'm glad kwite is not guilty cuz i have been watching him since last year and I've been enjoying his content (and also before the apology i had some doubts against him cuz of mods silencing people from speaking about it, which they shouldn't have done)

[@rust5427]

That is stupid. You should always stay neutral if somebody is accused of a crime. If you always side with the victim there's a 50/50 chance of you being wrong. If you stay neutral and waited until more info is out then you can make the proper assessment on what to do. You don't need to support the alleged "victims", we only need to make sure they have the power to speak up for themselves.

[@mysterysclouds]

@@rust5427 Honestly, in hindsight, saying that was quite dumb, my apologies. I guess I was just blindsighted, as I was when the allegations did initially come out. I did initially believe the victim in this case, but I completely forgot about situations that happened like this one before, like with Slazo. Again, my apologies for being dumb.

[@thezonaiarchitect]

the Kwite situation feels very similar to an experience I had with a former "friend," more serious, of course. But I did have someone who was really horrible to me and tried to get me away from my other friends, used mental health as an excuse for things, there are so many similarities I could kind of pick up from it. And whaddya know, after I cut them off, guess what they did? *accused me of things I couldn't defend myself for!* I sympathize with Kwite a lot in this situation, and I'm glad he's innocent. The man didn't deserve anything that he went through. If he quits, I understand. If not, I'll welcome him back with open arms. And I know that sentiment is shared by many. He's very strong and admirable for being able to defend himself so maturely.

[@justsometroglodyte4056]

honestly, it's evil that anybody would lie about being sexual assaulted. It makes the REAL victims have a harder time being taken serious.

[@mylittledarkworldjohn4289]

This accusation thing is getting out of hand at least for me. It started with "that person did X" Is there proof of it? No Then the person didn't do X To That person did X Omg, we totally believe you, cause you wouldn't lie and fake evidence to look like the victim. What i mean is, that you could be loved by everyone and over the night be hated by everyone and nobody will believe, without you even knowing

[@Tenacioustoast]

I’m incredibly frustrated for Kwite, I know first hand how manipulative these kinds of “friends” are. Orion is a dangerous type of person. I beg y’all, if there is someone in your life that feels like it’s incredibly taxing on yourself to talk to them-ITS BECAUSE THEY ARE, AND THEY KNOW IT Edit: put on your own oxygen mask first before helping others

[@realafah]

I love how they posted a picture of a supposed physiologist report for their SA as if it was damning evidence. As if it’s good enough proof to hold off Kwites evidence until they can think of an excuse. Amber heard had those too, and we all know those were made up horse shit. It’s really sad that we JUST got done with the Jonny Vs Turd trial, so it’s fresh in peoples minds that this stuff happens and harms men; and yet people still immediately sided with the alleged victim and attacked Kwite. I get perhaps you can make an argument that it was a guy on guy abuse so it’s not a fair comparison, but if you only heard Orion, your brain would automatically process them as a woman. I know that’s what I thought until I found out they were trans, but even THEN I didn’t know if it was to male or female. The sad thing about all this by the end of the day though, is that kwite will still be seen as a monster reguardleas of proof, and Orion won’t face consequences NEARLY as bad as would happen to people in kwites shoes.

[@kitkatandanongacha6339]

Even then, it was forged. Something highly illegal

[@hypnopompicfool985]

I didn't think this video was gonna bring anything new but more than halfway through so far I really appreciate having a video that breaks everything down in a digestible order to better understand everything.

[@crablord7934]

Don't worry guys, Orion will hide behind their mental health issues and use it as a crutch in their apology after all the backlash. We've seen this script 1000 times.

[@KloutGawdKhaos]

Both they’re mental health and the trans card.

[@E3AloeLi]

As someone who had a close friend who s/a’d me. Im scared of someone trying to “call me out” because it feels so similar to what people before have faked.

[@Edward-pw6zz]

i didnt know about the "kwite controversy" thanks for making the vid, love your content!

[@nero2288]

Am i the only one that cant stand the "after weeks of silence" bit at the beginning? Like yeah it takes time to write a 90 minute script, including evidence that you have to find from years ago.

[@minecraftblockychris8708]

so proud of him for handling it the way he did he didnt make a fast statement and fuck up he waited and gathered everything he could to prove himself so good on him and ik this will follow him forever

[@lol3615]

orion got what he wanted in the end, to destroy kwite's career and harm him. i doubt that kwite will take this to court

[@leasagna2202]

It was literally just petty revenge. Poor kwite i hope he mentally recovers from this

[@_zerohour_]

Honestly it was kinda nice to know that Kwite didn't actually do this, because they were very much a content creator I liked and it very much hurt to see that they were possibly a low level person and to find out it was false was definitely nice, and damn man.

[@bige2268]

So glad I waited for evidence.

[@wizardgod4325]

Me too man

[@Vickitumbleweed]

I love Kwite and it sucks to see him go through this. When I first heard about what was going on I wanted to wait until he got his response out, it’s always important to hear both sides of the situation before making your own decision on who to believe