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[@therealjimmysworld]

Check out twincessna.org/?aff=jimmysworld and Use CODE jimmysworld to get 10% off any purchase lots of free resources too! learn more owning and flying these wonderful airplanes.

[@nickoD509]

If only every one of your subscribers would donate a dollar, that would be awesome.

[@lynnkramer1211]

I just cannot watch a video like this for an hour and a half. Sadly I have come to disbelieve your video titles. Con man is a strong word, but making yourself rich by YT embellishment seems to be the entire point of this channel. So long I have real stuff to do.

[@diesellady1]

Save the 310!!!

[@nolt4024]

Call the fantasy of flight guy. See if he’ll help or would want it for his collection. There can’t be too many early 310’s out there that are polished up like that one is. …he’d prolly even want to fix it before putting it in his collection.

[@BruceCarbonLakeriver]

I watched the whole video - keep that bird and make it class 1 super dooper airworthy - we'd love it

[@blancolirio]

The reality of proper maintenance on older airplanes! Excellent expert Inspection! Thanks for posting!

[@realone4341]

Thanks for the positive comment Juan.

[@whiffy506]

Cheers Juan. Have nice weekend sir

[@timkuehn8888]

Hey Juan good to see you here!

[@Scott_Hauck]

Owning a 1964 150 i dont think its no longer maintenance it is more like a on going restoration.

[@AraCarrano]

@34:08 So nice to hear the words "Impressive for its age", instead of "insane".

[@davidnelson8081]

I am a 40 year A&P/ IA. I fully respect and support these professionals in this shop.

[@tomruth9487]

@davidnelson8081, These people have a serious knowledge of these planes. I'm sure this takes years and years of experience.

[@dabneyoffermein595]

@@tomruth9487 you almost have to be a metallurgist as old as these birds are now. no one wants to fly a "crack-a-melon"

[@superegghead13]

@@dabneyoffermein595 people settled into to “replace” lifestyle

[@codiphany]

Yes, I'm so impressed with the professionalism and detail. I'm an inactive A and P.

[@superegghead13]

@@dabneyoffermein595 i love when the laundry list comes out. That shows that every little minute detail has been checked. Most people who aren’t into aviation don’t appreciate this level of scrutiny. They just run it till it falls apart and gawk at the idea replacing tires that look like Mr.Clean’s bald head, or brakes, or oil changes. Its mind boggling to me

[@scottmueller6560]

Jimmy I can't tell you how much I felt Your pain an aguish watching all your 310 videos. I'm 73 and have owned three airplanes over the past 45 years and was just looking at buying another piper lance one to work on but after seeing what you went through you have convinced me to build a Vans RV-10 instead. Thanks for sharing your honesty and integrity with us all. I recently bought a top of the line 17 year old, low milage Class A Diesel pusher for $85,000 about $20,000 under value. To look at it both inside and out it was a 9/10, but as I begin to fix the squawks I quickly put $10,000 into it and did the work my self only to find out that all four slides were severely rotted between the interior and exterior from sitting out in Florida weather for 5 months a year by the previous owner who kept it very clean but poor roof maintenance and while the exterior fiberglass looked like new it has so much unseen rot and delimitation found which prevented me from closing the slides air time and would have to be rebuilt for a cost of $40-60.000. Needless to say I couldn't sell it to anyone else without telling them what I found out and sold it for $55.000 to a guy that repairs slide outs and knew what he was getting into. my loss was $38,000. thanks again !

[@Chefbriank]

i feel your pain as well! RV rebuilding is also expensive from personal experience!

[@gsguy9359]

These hidden little gems on old aircraft make you think twice about buying someone else's problem. There are areas that you would never think to inspect or look at when purchasing used aircraft. Thanks for the insightful and informative video on used antique aircraft maintenance.

[@evryhndlestakn]

Or, at least for a price that is adjusted for age & fixing any issues.

[@michaelsimon7414]

Why dump money into something you will never see a return on. I would invest in another plane.

[@billakers6082]

Exotic cars can be worse.

[@johnwayne2103]

That is always the case, when you buy used you are usually buying someone else's problems.

[@common_c3nts]

That is why you either pay for a pre purchase inspection or you factor in worse case scenario.

[@ericgoldstein4734]

Jimmy, I want to compliment you on your honesty; addressing these problems instead of hiding them may very well have saved lives. My hat’s off to you.

[@itsbingbongyo]

So refreshing to see the A&P side of the house getting some spotlight. I’m Avionics/A&P and while we take a lot of pride in our work, we rarely get some credit. Love seeing these vids lately. I work at a flight school and we’re dealing with spar corrosion on some of our twins. Not a fun thing to find and definitely a costly job. These older girls take a blank check to keep flying!

[@johnb4183]

What is the hourly rate of a guy who does these type of repairs ? Thanks!

[@chuckschillingvideos]

Not to mention some likely metal fatigue to go along with it!

[@itsbingbongyo]

@@chuckschillingvideos 100%. Intergranular corrosion is the root of all evil haha

[@Turbolious]

@@johnb4183 Anywhere from $24/hr to $55/hr normally. Normal labor shop rate is around $140/hr, which is cheaper shop rate than most automobile dealers.

[@DblIre]

When I became an A&P in the mid 70s, a car mechanic was making more than an A&P. We had 3 FAA licenses and MUCH more responsibility. I left the business in the 80s recession.

[@600torque]

Ladies and gentlemen, Jimmy has to be one of the most honest people i have ever seen. He is not hiding anything and has put it all out there for everyone to see. well done jimmy. Sleep on it and take your time with the decision. you will make the right one.

[@dogbugler]

Hang in there Jimmy, God isn't finished with you yet. Shalom

[@stevepurduski2932]

Jimmy, we don't know exactly what you are going to decide on this situation with the 310, BUT this video has been highly instructive and entertaining for us airplane nerds out here. I have learned so much about the inner workings of airplanes that one seldom gets to see, and I hope this provides impetus for aircraft owners to go the extra mile on their routine maintenance and inspections. Thank you for sharing this whole story with us!

[@pilsplease7561]

A family friend was a pilot, he picked up a brand new plane from the factory, and was flying it across the US back to California, Suffered a dual engine failure due to manufacturing defects in the fuel system, fuel all bled out and he called in to the closest tower told them he was going down and he was going to land on a road but a car came around the corner so he landed it in a field flipped it upside down in a drainage ditch got knocked out his brother pulled him out of the plane. The manufacturer had to pay him a shitload of money and gave him a new plane because of it. I believe it was Piper that was in the 70's

[@evryhndlestakn]

So true. Not an area to neglect, rather it should be a priority. The price for scrimping or delay can be huge, & that is irrelevant of dollars & cents.

[@edwardmyers8782]

General aviation is dying because $10,000 to $12,000 to rebuild a heater is ridiculous and $30,000 for a turbo part is criminal

[@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935]

Run a Cessna 150 instead of a 310.

[@iqeen]

@@edwardmyers8782 or just go experimental. Costs are killing GA.

[@caseycappoen251]

​@@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 even then man! I got my ppl on a 150. Moved up to a 172 but... I'm seeing that Experimental is the way. Prices on 150's-172s got ridiculous & Prices on certified avionics are a joke Seen the Garmin USB C charger ??? Lol "certified $400 charger, without install" Then you have to pay some crazy labor costs and get a sign off on it.

[@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935]

@@caseycappoen251 Rent, let someone else worry. I had a share, nightmare.

[@TreDeuce-qw3kv]

My step-grandfather, an accomplished Bush pilot who owned an FBO had among other planes a beautiful 310. I once asked him why he rarely flew it and he said... "I'm afraid of it" .

[@jonathanfreedom1st]

That Cessna 310 in Polished aluminum is the most gorgeous Cessna I've seen..

[@jwc4520]

It lacks nice Penny.

[@daszieher]

And like many hot pretties, it'll leave a dent in your wallet. 😂

[@gowdsake7103]

Its garish crap Just because its shiny does not mean its a heap of rubbish which it is

[@jimsteinway695]

I agree. Looks beautiful.

[@jimsteinway695]

@@gowdsake7103not either. It’s a beautiful example of aviation from that time period. Juan Brown flies one and he’s a 777 pilot. What do you fly? Look at the Amelia Earharts aircraft. The beautiful Lockheed Electra. Finished exactly the same way? What would you do? wrap it the same color as your Tesla?

[@larrytalley117]

Normally when I take a stroll through Jimmy’s World, it starts with a buzzing in my ears, a swirling mysterious fog, and an insatiable need to watch the video; followed by a serene satisfaction of having spent a wonderful time with Jimmy. But this video was a bit different. While the buzzing and the fog was there, the visit was a bit different. I felt as if Jimmy took my hand and the two of us wandered back in the past and experienced the first sight of the original 310 all covered in dust in that old barn. We watched the engines start and again felt the excitement and anticipation of what was to come. There was the roller coaster ride with the up’s and downs of success followed by disappointment. Together we felt the elation of finding the Silver Bullet and now the crushing realization of how many issues within that gleaming exterior were waiting to be found. BUT, this is Jimmy’s World and I have learned that sometimes the agony of defeat can sometimes be turned into a win for Jimmy and all of us who experience his world with him. I sincerely hope this is one of those circumstances.

[@realone4341]

We can surmise we are true Jimmy fans when all of what you say makes complete sense and will draw us back.

[@alangarrett1181]

Not a problem Jimmy, the wife can always get a second or third job. Silas is old enough to hold down a couple of jobs by now as well.

[@BruceCarbonLakeriver]

Yeah send Silas to mow lawn for bucks ^^

[@eagle2019]

@@BruceCarbonLakeriver I think "Pool boy" pays better!! 😁

[@merrystoneequestrianfarm]

I hear coal mines in China are still a viable career for underaged children 😂

[@BruceCarbonLakeriver]

@@eagle2019 Oh, yes maybe xD

[@psilver063]

@@eagle2019pool boy in Florida is definitely the better job than Lawn Boy. Jimmy needs to find him a pool boy job on Wisteria Lane and then he will become Pool Man by summers end 🤣! FYI: Wisteria Lane is the name of the road the desperate housewives live on!

[@squaredup-x5e]

This bird is now a display item. Great eye candy. Its new life will be in a museum, corporate foyer, mall display, hung from ceiling, something like that. It can live forever and give joy without flying.

[@bill-8794]

I vote for Jimmy's crew to do the repairs as possible. Get it back in the air

[@dr_jaymz]

Me too. But it will will still be a tired aircraft, tired interior, leaky engines and you can still find a fault that ends it even after 110k spent on it. So makes no sense to fix it up... thats why he should do it. He's already got the savethe310 domain.

[@JS-ti8ny]

bill The metal is likely too fatigued. It would look and function well as a focal piece in my barn in Wichita.

[@TXLorenzo]

600-700 hours to fix the metal? YIKES!

[@dabneyoffermein595]

No, it should be repaired, she's a beauty of a bird. You do NOT scrap this particular 310

[@georgebrennan2304]

Incredible A&I. Very fortunate to find a inspector/ mechanic like this gentleman

[@downsouth5971]

Eh, yes man. As pilot and apprentice AME I have worked with some amazing AMEs. This aircraft might sell for ~$250,000usd when repaired ?

[@androidemulator6952]

This video should be viewed by every would-be plane purchaser, as essential "Pre-Purchase Inspection" video - those Cessna Twins guys really know there stuff. Thanks Jimmy.

[@aerocorby]

There is no such thing as a pre-purchase inspection, only a pre buy exam

[@AlanMydland-fq2vs]

everybody buys your experience😢

[@jimcear1766]

Wait for the numbers on the 421. Have a defibrillator nearby .

[@adamcc0000]

First time I have seen the reality of aircraft ownership shown on KZbin. And it was on Jimmys World, no less.

[@1nvisible1]

*Watching this video makes me so glad I did not purchase this airplane!* [note: I am not a pilot. Rather poor, too, but still glad 🙂]

[@dennisstoesz]

I've been there ,bought a couple bad ones , boy oh boy ..what a sick feeling.. I would not buy old junk like this ever. Part it out..! Not worth fixing !

[@pheasantplucker6117]

What a fantastic outfit that company is. Should be model standard for the whole aviation industry. Well done.

[@coldisle]

THE most beautiful machine ever…a functional masterpiece work of art. The polished aluminum just accentuates every beautiful line.

[@JS-ti8ny]

From the era of Bespoke aircraft. A true masterpiece of aviation

[@chrisruthford4492]

The older gentleman reminds me of my great uncle. He was an Airplane Mechanic his whole life. He had forgotten more about airplanes than most people will ever know. He used to build the most spectacular RC aircraft as a hobby in his spare time.

[@perrycorn2789]

It’s a lovely looking 310 and it will cost to fix it but if you want it as a private collectable aircraft it’s worth fixing but as a commercial project it’s not worth it unless you are using it for a VIP service but would be a shame to scrap it . I am a aircraft engineer about to retire and would love fixing these old aircraft just for something to do to preserve them for future generations to admire

[@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24]

He's a know nothing cowboy, I wouldn't fly on anything he's touched.

[@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24]

Nah these guys don't know what they're talking about

[@Mark-ll3kh]

Hi Jimmy, welcome to my world with saving the 340. I’m in my plane about twice what I could sell it for. Having said that….it is mechanically and structurally in excellent condition now. Having said that……there are still things….really expensive things that can and may well go on in the future. Kinda like an old bulldozer. You can break 10 grand worth of stuff just walking by and looking at it sideways. Here is the bottom line. If you don’t trust the machine, don’t keep it! What’s it worth to you, ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$) to gain that trust? I am a 23,000 hour DC-10 guy who’s retirement gig is flying an air tanker. I love to fly! I can’t imagine any other job or hobby. I should have dumped the 340 but I didn’t. Shame on me. It’s a great flying plane, (now $$$$$$) and I’m just not going to look back. My advice is salvage out the 310. That one won’t pan out. Good luck with the 421. They are a joy to fly once you can trust the machine. You are a rock star in my book Jimmy!

[@Kevin19700]

Absolutely spot on advice. Just what I saw in this one vid said salvage it. Some “money pits” you just need to walk away from. I’ve done it on a few very expensive cars over the years. My biggest (thought process) mistake was to keep thinking back to what it cost new and what a new one would cost now. Big mistake. The years go by and mechanical systems wear out. Don’t let that “barn find” kill your finances😏💸

[@daszieher]

​@@Kevin19700and even expensive cars can be kept running on a shoestring budget and won't necessarily kill you, if you keep steering and brakes in check. Complex aircraft require more attention, if you want to live a long life.

[@flyer617]

The comment about an A&P who has time to put into this stuck out. That might be the solution and could possibly fetch more money than parting it out and there is a much better chance the plan will live on.

[@wyateerp1]

Kinda like my Harley. Just add 3 zeros to any repair. Geeeeez

[@WalterThorne-h5k]

With older airplanes it is common to be unable to recover the costs of deferred maintenance or most improvements

[@Alfaspiderman84]

Jimmy, The Alclad is the pure aluminum, and its on the outside to protect the aluminum alloy of the sheet metal. FYI. Thanks for your content. Its still the best!!

[@Alfaspiderman84]

If anybody can fix it, you can!...

[@Ut005A]

I am a Metallurgists, free aluminum is 99% and pure aluminum is actually less than that. 100% aluminum would be to soft for any structural form.

[@platapus112]

​@@Ut005Ayeah but alclad aluminum is 99% aluminum with alloy inside

[@danielwhite3929]

You'd think the mech would of corrected jimmy about alcad. Kinda thing he should know. (It made shout out ya wrong dudes lol)

[@dabneyoffermein595]

@@platapus112 spot on Platie

[@JimBronson]

After watching this video, the old adage that "if it flies, floats or f***s, you should rent it" comes to mind.

[@Iflyagrasshopper]

Haha sad but true

[@imonaroll9502]

😂😂😂

[@nickvan4514]

I don't think I want to rent a plane. Even Jimmy flew a plane that was dangerous. Imagine someone who isn't as meticulous giving you the keys to their problem. Now you are 15,000 feet up .. ..

[@user-ev2qo1hj1g]

@@nickvan4514 Me neither. Few hard landings or over G loadings under the skin that doesn't show until u hit that first patch of turbulence.

[@jimpalmer1969]

The cladding is 1100 series alloy. It is rolled onto the substrate material in the mill at high temperature while the sheet is being rolled out from a block of substrate with a plate of clad material on the top and bottom. I would guess the substrate is 24-T3 which is an obsolete material that is equivalent to today's 2024-T3. 2000 series aluminum the primary alloying element is copper. 1000 series aluminum is nearly pure aluminum. what you see in the corrosion is where the clad material was chipped exposing the substrate. The substrate is protected from corrosion by the clad. This is why it is important to clear Alodine after polish. Save the 310, the sequel.

[@johnkoz34]

I feel for you, Jimmy. When I had my 421, I had many similar conversations with Tony and Marla. Always painful, but always knew I had a safe aircraft. Good luck on deciding what to do with the 310. I hope you don't have similar conversations with the 421...But, these are old airplanes......and still lot's of fun!

[@eagle2019]

I too have had similar conversations with Tony & Marla. They did the prepurchase, which later turned into an annual on my Twin Cessna. Mine needed the side brace kits installed. My annual was $30k+

[@bobwollard9105]

Jimmy, it makes me sad to see the difficulties being encountered on this aircraft. Surely, the expense to get this girl up to snuff is a real choker. Keep in mind that having broadcast the damage assessment, it will serve as evidence in case the 310 continues flight. Any incident investigation will certainly refer to this video as knowledge of the various deficiencies in the structure. That is the cold, hard fact of restoration. God bless you, Jimmy. You've got a really difficult decision to make about the Silver Bullets future. The possibilities truly break my heart. I love these old birds. But reality is reality.

[@patrickmercado5284]

Man, I love airframe repairs. The satisfaction of finding and repairing the various issues. The specialization one can develop learning a certain model or type is simply invaluable.

[@steveschmidt5489]

She's a classic and rare. We all started with save the 310 lets keep going .Rally support to fix her then auction her off and get the next going , we are in it for jimmy's world adventures.

[@donmertle9099]

Lots of good lessons for any prospective owners. Metal, wood, cloth, fiberglass - like a boat they always need work and picking the right project for you is the question. Upholstery and paint are the easy ones.

[@jonathanhorne6503]

Decades ago the company I worked for as a newly minted A&P did an annual inspection on the same type of 310 with the augmented exhaust. The engine exhaust blew through the stainless tubes and ate through about 30% of the spar. The plane had been flying that way. I found it. My boss called the local FAA FSDO mx and had him come look at it. The plane got condemned. We eventually had to cut the wings off and it was a parts plane. I remember it had good engines and props. I’m glad I’m retired now.

[@AlanMydland-fq2vs]

dont fly really old airplanes😢

[@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24]

They couldn't replace the spar?

[@DblIre]

​@@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24It's not that easy. You're talking about rebuilding roughly 1/3 of the airplane. Probably wouldn't be economically feasible .

[@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24]

@@DblIre I've worked on spar replacements for commercial passenger jets compared to that a Cessna twin is a simple Kite. That said I can see how the cost may be higher than the aircrafts market value. My big question is why didn't I inspections catch the exhaust leak way before it torched a spar?

[@matthewcrawford6737]

The 2 by 4 analogy is a classic....What a gem of a guy!

[@michaelmartinez1345]

Right on Jimmy!!! I have some experience with aircraft A&P work... The majority of that experience is with Sheet metal and structural casting/forging repairs & replacements... The majority of the repairs and procedures with Your plane, can be fiund in ATA chapters 51 and 55 , in the SRM...(Structural Repair manual) for Your plane... The corroded leading edge strips of the L/H horizontal stab can be replaced and new strips can be fabricated by first bending some 0.025" 2024 alclad (what the material id callout is, in the SRM for your plane) in the 'O' (annealed) condition making a partial straight bend using a cornice brake with the matching radius as what the original piece largest (inboard) radius is,.(maybe.a 30° bend).... Then make a piece of 18" long 1x4 pine with a 3/4" wide 1/8" thick mild steel 'C' channel with a ram-rod welded to it to back-up of the the 4" depth pine-wood nose forming piece use several sand bags as a moldable surface to disperse the blows from the 3# sledge hammer striking the ram-rod of the radius forming tool....The nose forming die should be a similar bending radius that the steel male die was at Cessna... Use the original removed piece of the leading edge to get an idea of what the OEM shape was... Allow a slightly tighter radius to compensate for spring back after the bending is being done... The bending of the metal will work- harden it to the point of obtaining the strength & hardness of T-3... Since it is 2024, it will remain stable after being work hardened and/or tempered, without having to be artificially aged (T-6) in a temperature controlled oven, as other types of alloys need (6061, 7075)... When the remaining un-bent metal has been heat treated in a hot salt bath and quenched the remaining straight un-bent sections , to assure the strength & hardness has been tempered into those un-bent areas of the L/E capstrip... Trim the extra capstrip flashing to the proper length and width to match the internal structure underneath that they were originally fastened to... The use of blind fasteners is acceptable, to re-attatch those aerodynamic caostrips back onto the stab... That capstrip is not considered part of a PSE (Principal Structural Element) of that empenage that it is attatched to... Oversized Blind rivets are available to accomadate for slightly hogged holes.. Make sure to leave a gap of at least 1 T (1x the metal thickness) between the adjacent skin panels and the new caostrip to allow for thermal expansion, before it is drilled (transfer pins & hole finders) to match the positions of the existing holes... Yse care when drilling the OEM fasteners (AN-426 rivets) by ysing a pilot drill (#40) and careful drilling of the head of the solid rivet to be carefully broken off... I wirked for a major airline that had DC-8's, 727's and 737 classic types for almost 25 years before the Aloha airline incident (inflight- instant convertible top conversion) scared the heck out of the insurance companies... A LOT if the NON-PSE parts of those older classic planes were fabricated in a workshop, right there at that maintenance base at SFO... Those guys were absolute MASTERS at what they knew, and it was a privelage to have a chance to learn from them...

[@rogerwilco2]

Keeping up maintenance on whatever, your bike, car or house, is always good advice. Things usually get more expensive to repair quickly as they get worse.

[@waynegrissom8845]

Jimmy, I'm really sorry to hear this news. As an American living in England, I've always found a time of rest and enjoyment watching your videos. Especially when you found the silver 310. We are thankful you are alive and well after your inflight scary ordeal. Thank you once again for your enlightening videos and fun sense of humour! An unexpected $110.000 would put a dampener on any happy-go-lucky person's day. We are glad you are safe and sound sir! Looking forward to your future videos regarding this project. Take care!

[@downsouth5971]

Depends on the resale value.

[@gmugrumbach]

That 310 is a flying museum piece! Keep it going! Such a beautiful plane.

[@adf360]

Actually, a one-time ferry flight to a museum may be a good option, preserve the aircraft and use it as a tax write off.

[@downsouth5971]

14 on Trade a plane. Check the market value.

[@JamesHand-ek9mg]

Now THIS is the most accurate, and REAL depiction of Twin Ownership, nay AIRCRAFT ownership I have seen...Kudos!

[@lanceterrill5062]

Excellent video Jimmy. As an A&P IA I have had to be the bearer of bad news frequently. And we as maintenance providers prefer to get the airplanes in and out of our shops as quickly as possible. But we encounter problems as aircraft have aged more frequently. I wish more owners could understand the issues you have gone through on your airplanes as well as you have. Your videos should be an intro to owning an aircraft mandatory coarse. Your 310 is in the antique category of aviation and will always increase in value with age. So it will gone done to whether you can afford the cost at the moment. I hope you can swing the cost and keep this aircraft flying. It ia also wonderful to see how you have learned from Tom & other technicians, and how your videos have educated other pilots & owners. I wish you well and keep the shinny side up.

[@UnitSe7en]

The Cessna twins are a flock of really good-looking aircraft. Always liked them since a boy.

[@DaveyHo69]

"I picked a bad day to quit sniffing glue"

[@evryhndlestakn]

Lol

[@goo_rocket5897]

Ouch

[@goo_rocket5897]

Ill reskin it for a beer and some glue

[@evryhndlestakn]

@@goo_rocket5897 🤣🤣🤣👍

[@dougpartington1843]

Jimmy, my heart wants to see the Silver Bullet fixed and flying, but my brain says a $125,000 isn't economical. Plus, the fact that one of the engines will soon need an overhaul. The only hope would be to set up a gofund me for it and hope enough of us would throw in enough money to keep it going. Good luck! The video was very enlightening.

[@D43vil]

That's lottery money

[@FPVSlacker]

General Aviation. The most expensive way to die.

[@adamr9215]

Only if you don’t know what you are doing. Every problem found in this video should have been caught before he bought the plane. He should have had a 310 specialist do a pre buy inspection. I’ve been doing this close to 30 years and before KZbin, you never saw people buying planes without pre buy inspections.

[@danielsmith9500]

@@adamr9215now it’s all about views. Ppl make so much that it pays for itself

[@hepphepps8356]

Yes, unfortunately that’s pretty much what is left to it. Insanely expensive because of tighter and tighter regulation, but it is also getting more and more dangerous, partly because regulation is a giant gatekeeper against technology and the proliferation needed to keep cost down. What is left is rich people flying around in old, uncomfortable junk about to die. This was not supposed to be this way. We need to start over.

[@johnnunn8688]

Not even close, gen5 military, is SO much more expensive.

[@hepphepps8356]

@@johnnunn8688 Yes. F22s and F35s are still ahead of a used 1973 Cessna 172, but the gap is tightening. I did the math, they will cost the same in 2032.

[@jimdavis6833]

I remember back many years ago when I first joined the USAF, and my first permanent assignment was on F101Bs. I was assigned as assistant crew chief on our Commander's plane. None of our planes were painted, and my plane had to really outshine the rest. We used Nevr-dull, and if you think polishing your 310 was tough, you should try polishing one of the largest jet fighters ever made by McDonnell.

[@nndorconnetnz]

The old adage is, rust does not sleep, regardless of flying or sitting on the ground. Seems some owners don't get it. You still need to maintain it even if it's not moved!

[@tedsmith4353]

This day will change the way Jimmy inspects the future planes he buys. good all around.

[@williamoberlander7932]

Well S T. Everyone makes ! Mistakes! Still a lovely very old Aircraft

[@bigdmister]

I am not a pilot but I know that if I’m buying say a used car for example I’m making sure that it’s inspected thoroughly Given the age of this plane, and what could be wrong I’m stunned Jimmy didn’t have this done. What am I missing.

[@robbbbbie12]

Hopefully he never loads up his kid and takes one of these sketchy aircraft on a flight again.

[@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24]

@@bigdmister The guys a multi millionaire who can easily afford to fix this aircraft. Everything you see in the videos is scripted. He buys these planes to make content. He has them inspected and knows the problems. The guy isn't dumb. His goofy persona is an ACT he plays a character for the channel

[@BBG-512]

Thanks for showing the ups and downs of plane ownership. Also the importance of plane maintenance and storage.

[@dirtcurt1]

The way I look at it is you can always buy a new one! With everything fixed just add it to the selling price. A new Barron is close to two million. Heck a loaded 172 is half million. You can get another one that is “airworthy “ and start all over again. You know that plane, fix it, keep it if you can’t sell it.

[@vermontaviator1248]

As a GA Pilot I used to think these videos were a distasteful way of earning money of aviation tragedies. However, after watching more of your videos I have noticed myself becoming increasingly more aware of my own shortcomings in areas I need to improve my skills and training. I have no doubt your efforts are bearing fruit and making a difference in Aviation safety. As sad as it is to hear about these tragedies, it would be even sadder if they died in vain and the aviation community failed to learn from their loss. Thank you for your work! God Bless you all. 🙏

[@alrad5686]

Jimmy, I'd donate to a museum and take the write off before I'd part it out, but that's me. I can understand your passion, a lot of blood sweat and tears goes in to taking and older plane and doing the best you can to make it look and fly well. Sorry the news was so tough, but I had a feeling when I started watching. Good luck on your decision my friend.

[@brianschumaker5912]

As for the trim horn screws/bolts, why not just use stainless instead of replacing them every annual?

[@DaveyHo69]

....that 310 would make a GREAT roof ornament for your garage....

[@W7LDT]

A very large weather vane.

[@ChrisHarding-lk3jj]

​@@W7LDT I was going to say the same thing. Build a structural steel pole with bearings and an attachment frame for the aircraft.

[@daszieher]

it'll look bad very soon and nobody is going to put in ten grand every couple of years just to keep it shiny.

[@silverXnoise]

@@daszieher What’s happening in a few years that hasn’t in the last 70?

[@daszieher]

@@silverXnoise I meant as a weather vane

[@hfc1969]

If you own or are thinking about a Twin Cessna going to one of Tony's seminars is a MUST

[@jb7486]

Very informative and educational video for individuals thinking about buying old aircraft. It was very straightforward of Jimmy to take it to the best Cessna twin shop for a “pre-auction” inspection. He had to know there was no way a rather rough 70 year old plane was not going to escape that shop without at least two or three serious issues being found which would be costly. And putting it out there for everyone to see says so much about him as person. If he sells it the buyer knows exactly what is up with this A/C. I’m looking forward to see what happens to this 310. With this A/C having what is basically a restoration done, someone can finish it with new interior and avionics and have a really nice antique A/C thats still versatile and flyable. Costly - sure - but all this work really makes it viable for many many years.

[@jimsteinway695]

So much better aviation content than the Elvis jet conversion.

[@fredbugden6935]

Sometimes there's cool stuff that needs to be kept going against all logic and expense. , this might be one of them. It's a beautiful classic.

[@briank1671]

From "Save the 310" to just send me money so I can have a nice airplane pretty much sums up the channel now. Sorry that's how I feel at this point.

[@slurpeeslurpee69]

I 100% agree. I thought it was cool he bought the Elvis Jet and all the other plane revivals but honestly his channel has more of a gimme gimme rather than the wholesome content we used to get.

[@annone6462]

He acts like jim carey of aviation and is constantly thinking up another, “donate” scheme.

[@dcu8530]

Why so negative? I enjoy his content and he provides a lot of education

[@Avi8tor857]

Looking around the horizontal stabilizer is between 1000-5000 used, and swapping it out is something you could do under A&P supervision (AKA how you do much of your work originally) The nose I would have them fix. The cracks behind the engines I would think can be stopped drilled and patched. The things like polishing off the burs and marks off the spar, can be done as you have with A&P supervision. I mean reskinning it isn't that difficult, it is something you and your team could also do, it is no more complicated than any vans airplane in assembly, assuming your A&P has the experience and willing to do it. Honestly I would not ferry it with the cracked skin on the tail. I'm not sure what the other "bee stings" are but I'm guessing most are not grounding issues and can be moved to watch list or done by your team. This I think is why so many owners are afraid of taking a plane to a shop like this, it is far too easy to mechanically total it.

[@eagle2019]

I've had two Twin Cessna's including a 421C and there is no one I would have work on them other than Tony!!!

[@MikeCris]

@@eagle2019 And you'll pay the price. The next owner will thank you.

[@eagle2019]

@@MikeCris I really don't care about the next owner. I know that when I and my family board the aircraft and I hit those start switches, my aircraft is in the best condition it can be and is safe! The first time you take a "new to you" aircraft for its annual, you will pay a high price for all the differed maintenance the previous owners skipped or were unaware of because the shop was not experienced in the make and model. Subsequent annuals are no where near as expensive.

[@chriscusick6890]

Hopefully someone could donate the necessary parts and Jimmy's crew could replace them.

[@RwP223]

Jimmy is a gentlemen 10:43 giving the mechanics flashlight back to him as soon as he was done using it. It's those little things that makes a big difference.

[@martymartian9820]

I'm not an aviator but been around the industry. Im an all round gear head at 73. So a couple of analogies. Such a huge difference of transportation over the ground or through the air. Can you imagine the difference of all of those inspections happened to road transportation? They just wouldn't be the life and limb risk. At slow speed, a number of years ago I had the right front wheel come off my minivan because of poor maintenance from the previous owner. it could've been life-threatening at freeway speed but at 30 miles an hour or less it just gave us a scare. So if you wanna fly you're gonna pay, right? I know what it's like to get into a project so deep that you're damned if you do and you're damn damned if you don't. To move forward you can't be practical if you really love the plane. Probably between the income from your channel and maybe using the plane for things that promote your business, you will start to recover your investment. I think you know, just like hot rod builders they do it for the love and not many make any money on the thousands of hours of hard work. Vintage planes of course are no different just 10 times more for the cost of the hobby. I have a question about the exhaust. I know it would be through the stratosphere Sheret expensive but why can't that be made in stainless ?

[@oldschoolman1444]

Glad Jimmy is getting the 310 looked at. Every time I hear about a 310 crashing it always makes me wonder.

[@DDDeeter]

Form an LLC and get a group of folks like you to fix the 310. Shared ownership

[@onedaya_martian1238]

Best suggestion !!

[@JD96893]

Yeah! I'm sure lots of people would love to help work on it! I would definitely donate some money! The aircraft is still in pretty good condition.

[@chuckschillingvideos]

Why on earth would anyone else buy into that?

[@JD96893]

@@chuckschillingvideos because they don't want this plane to be abandoned.

[@chuckschillingvideos]

@@JD96893 There's nothing special about this 310 as opposed to any other than Jimmy stupidly purchased it without having a prepurchase inspection performed by a competent mechanic.

[@rickmontague4397]

Time for it to be a museum piece. Not worth repairs. But beautiful to look at.

[@jimfisk4474]

Gosh darn Jimmy and I was just getting ready to buy it. Well good luck with whatever you're going to do with it. You're the man.❤

[@theantichrist4267]

Aluminum corrosion can be stoped using Zinc sacrificial plates . Or Zinc sacrificial strips mounted to the Aluminum chassis , and or cross members , I used to build Aluminum lake yachts, and Zinc sacrificial plates were used to stop corrosion to the hull of the Yacht .

[@andrewnorgrove6487]

I was transported in a plane like this by the flying doctors in 1976 in Australia from Tasmania to Melbourne with a broken spine been in a wheelchair since ,but all good 🤟

[@berniebrown9115]

Part it out Jimmy and cut your bad investment. Just about the time you get it back with spending 125000 on it you will need to overhaul engines

[@Irontrucker]

Yessss

[@rickwiggins283]

That's the sane answer. No way it's going to be $125,000 either. $150,000 - $200,000+ easy. Remember there are parts they don't make any more and may need fabrication from scratch. And after all that you are stuck with an aircraft that has design flaws. (Not necessarily knocking Cessna ... this is just what often happens with early variants.)

[@davecat1458]

Don't love something that don't love you back. Great acting.

[@d.lindsey5583]

On several aircraft models, spair parts exist in stock including many seperate sheet metal parts. If not, Cessna still has newly manufactured replacement parts available for order including, but not limited to engines, controls systems and surfaces and even whole wing assemblies.

[@DoctoreE644]

I look back to all of the antique aircraft I have flown in, and worked on and I am in awe of the dedication of those who restore them for the sake of the generations that otherwise would have never seen them in the air. I have been up in a 1929 TavelAire elephant ear bi-plane, up over Orcas Island in Puget Sound. It was an anniversary flight for my second wife when we flew to Seattle to take the ferry up to Vancouver BC. We stopped overnight on the island and stayed at the historic hotel (are you noticing a trend here?), and saw an advert for a sightseeing flight, so we jumped at the chance! The owner and restorer was a retired US Navy pilot, and he took us on a tour of the islands up there, and then he put on some classical music as he lazily rolled through the clouds. It was quite extraordinary. Oh, back to my list, an Airecoupe, a Piper J-3 ( my dad owned them when I was a little boy, but I took flight as an adult), a number of K2 Kaydet Stearman biplanes, and others, of which my memory has lost track of, sadly. I have worked on a P-51 (installed a water injection system) and a North American Mitchell B-25, of which I redrew all the updated avionics and electrical mods for the FAA, so it could be certified airworthy. The biggest complement I got was from that inspector, who said "no, I don't want to see the original wiring diagrams, I want to see what you've done!". To which the owner replied "look at the dates". I had redone them all in the style and fonts of WWII schematics. Made my day!

[@nickbrennan3925]

Putting 120k+ into a plane that will be worth less when completed makes NO sense, cut your losses put that money into the other one in that hanger. Maybe sell the 310 to someone as a project, full disclosure and documentation of all the work required.

[@BruceCarbonLakeriver]

It wouldn't make sense if "buying and selling" airplanes would be his income. Otherwise it is about personal favor. I often hear this crap from car guys and I always ask: do you plan on selling it for getting food on the table? Nope? Then what's the issue?

[@davidcole333]

NOTHING about general aviation makes any sense. It's all a money pit so we can do what we love.

[@andyburk4825]

@@BruceCarbonLakeriver That's right - I figure the executors of my estate can haggle the value of my old stuff after I'm gone - meanwhile I just enjoy them for what they are.

[@crystalclearwindowcleaning3458]

Financially restoring old airplanes never makes sense. But just like restoring old automobiles, we restore old airplanes to preserve history. And this 310 is beautiful!

[@johntosh6146]

Just like owning a vintage car. You never get your money back. All down to personal choice

[@kimkeam2094]

As an addendum, I’m so glad my aircraft is a homebuilt wooden aircraft called a Corby Starlet. Aluminium and corrosion is not a concern.

[@williamoorejr]

termites

[@flyluv737]

Wood airplanes have their own set of concerns that make aluminum look down right trouble free

[@adamr9215]

@@flyluv737I own both and would pick a cloth and wood plane any day over aluminum.

[@flyluv737]

@@adamr9215 I’ve had both too… leave them both outside for a year and then get back to me.

[@adamr9215]

@@flyluv737 I wouldn’t do that to either. If you do, you shouldn’t own a plane.

[@Blackswan19874]

SAVE THE 310 Jimmy !! You have to, you can’t abandon her now !! She’s worthy ! She’s a classic!

[@andymunnings9109]

"I know it was timely; But? I like the pride and detailed patience you put into your work." 👍

[@FlywithMagnar]

Corrosion is really something to look out for. A couple of years ago, I had the opportunity to see the maintenance of Twin Otter seaplanes in the Maldives. Every three years, the airplanes are stripped down and inspected. The saline environment causes a lot of corrossion, especially in the empennage and floats. The damaged areas are cut out and replaced with new metal. The aircraft is primed with corrosion-resistant paint and re-assembled. And three years later, the process is repeated.

[@SSgt-]

Apparently owning a certified vintage aircraft is another way to financial depletion.

[@hawk6dm7]

I had a Cessna 172 once that I had $120.000 into. When I sold it, it sold for half that. You never make money on selling well maintained aircraft. It always costs more to properly maintain it than you will ever get out of it.

[@jimpalmer1969]

It's called deferred maintenance. Every airplane has it. Airlines devote entire engineering departments to figuring out how to defer maintenance.

[@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24]

@@jimpalmer1969 No they don't 😂😂😂 airline industry has strict rules regarding maintenance and inspection. It's a totally different ball game to general aviation

[@nameberry220]

Why do you think the next buyer should pay for your maintenance, should they pay for the fuel you used too?

[@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24]

@@nameberry220 If they buy it it's their problem. Dumb asses always gonna complain

[@scene24man]

Maybe I don’t want an airplane.

[@majorchungus]

Just get the right airplane.

[@Jigsaw407]

So sorry to hear all that. On the upside: Marla was probably the sweetest person with the most pleasant and soothing voice that you could hope for breaking the news to you. 😉

[@advancedusvsystems6255]

Is it FAA that prevents you from using composites as a fix for many of these issues?

[@dalemu1944]

After watching a number of your KZbin videos, I'm convinced I'd need to win a Billion dollar Powerball just to afford the maintenance on a small single engine Cessna. This was a tough one Jimmy.

[@downsouth5971]

I have met a lot of airplane poor people.

[@samrodian919]

It's a great pity Jimmy but it is just not financially viable is it? Even if it were half the cost at say $60,000 it still would not make financial sense. You have to cut your losses and sell it for parts or whatever you can get for it. As I say it's a great pity as you all have put a lot of time and effort into the 310 and she's a beautiful looking bird specially after the great polishing job the guys did on her. But she has to go. No way forward for the 310 other than being a life saving donation in parts for another 310.

[@Scimiter1948]

Wow Jim that was a really brilliant video, I can understand your dilemma regarding the cost of the repairs to the 310, it will be sad if she never flies again, but $120,000+ is a lot of money. Stay safe.

[@downsouth5971]

I wonder if you could list it for Sale everywhere and include the video. Sell her payment before repair. Maybe worth $250K.

[@tsb-2489]

My Air Force career started on the Cessna Skymaster! AND the Cessna OA37a/b. I recall our greatest challenge was measuring the track gap the Nose Gear followed as it retracted. Working by feel!

[@richardthomas9263]

I appreciate anyone that keeps these beautiful pieces of history in flying condition.

[@rickc303]

The dumbfounded "is the tail/nose/xyz going to fall off??" gets quite annoying over and over again

[@Mark-ww9sb]

This company is amazing. Great to see an organisation that really knows its onions. Perhaps you could do a re-run of the Elvis Jet and convert it to something else? I nominate a nuclear submarine...

[@johnnunn8688]

Are you an expert on the Cessna 310?

[@Mark-ww9sb]

Not at all but I enjoyed watching the expert assessment.

[@billjamison2877]

SAVE THE 310 Jimmy!

[@RobertJohnson-gk2gj]

Those 421’s , when running, at night, with cowling off, you get to see the whole system glowing red ! Crazy Hot! Glowing turbo !

[@FT-64]

What I fail to understand about the GA market is how the market price of a plane like this is so low. A new plane which will fly the same missions - load, range, speed - would price out well into the millions, and after a couple of years the new one would have similar operating costs to the older model. Aside from the fact that most GA pilots don’t have AMEL ratings, what keeps the market price so low?

[@CaptainRon1913]

It's difficult to put a price tag on something sentimental. I had a 1947 Chris Craft mahogany boat that I put way more money and time into than it was worth. I did end up selling it to someone who continued putting more in to it than it's worth. 77 years old, it's still bringing joy, and still looks great.

[@gthree0239]

Jimmy, I know I said this in a comment on a different video, but I flew to Sacramento drove to Auburn and looked at that 310. Unfortunately (or now fortunately) covid was happening and I was unsure about my future employment so I couldn’t pull the trigger and buy that plane. I still think it’s a great plane, and I’m glad to see you bringing it back to life. I know you’ll be the one person who’ll be able to figure out a way to scrounge $125,000 to Save The 310.

[@therealjimmysworld]

Very cool! small world!

[@oneninerniner3427]

Jimmy you are a nut! A nice nut, but a nut just the same😅

[@oneninerniner3427]

I like 310s too but, I think you should cut your losses man IMHO ok

[@sanfranciscobay]

How much did it sell for?

[@ikbrrrr]

oh my gaaawd GET TO THE POINT DUDE

[@brownlee62534]

Certified planes are cost prohibitive for all, but the very high income earner. If not for the experimental planes, the average person would never be able to own a plane. The FAA has tried to open up flying with LSA, but the companies making those planes have driven the prices into the stratosphere, as they relate to the average man. The FAA needs to modernize its criteria to make EAA planes far simpler to build. I.E., allow the percentage of pre- built sections to greatly increase. Thusly cutting building time and insuring more uniform and likely better built sections, and therefore planes.

[@fastmph]

Great video Jimmy. You get a lot of credit for keeping these old planes flying, or attempting to. We no longer “maintain” these old planes, but instead “rebuild” them a little bit at a time. I believe that saying came from Tony.

[@joelobryan1212]

Clearly November 3-10 Echo Bravo is more valuable for parts in salvage than trying to repair it, get the annual done, and then selling it at a loss. Because you're still left with a one engine at near TBO, even a buyer would be taking a bath if you went the repair route and sold it at auction. Throwing good money after bad is also known as the "Sunk Cost Fallacy." The human behavior of the sunk cost fallacy explained in a quick Google search: "The greater the size of the sunk investment, the more people tend to invest further, even when the return on added investment appears not to be worthwhile. " Don't do it Jimmy. Parts out the old girl and move-on. If you were an A&P/IA then you could do this in your spare time or retirement for sheer joy. But you're young Jimmy and a family and kids still to support and help get through college in an age of ever more inflation. You need to wise about your money and walk away from thing. I'd say the same about the 421 as well. This is the reason these old twins can be had for a song on Trade-a-plane.

[@Sebastopolmark]

Sure is interesting to see everyone spending Jimmy's money! !! !!!

[@joelobryan1212]

My thought exactly from many of these comments.

[@RMSadventures-ie4fr]

Trevor Jacob would be more then happy to test fly your plane and film it for his youtube channel. of course you'll have to go drag the pieces out of the mountains after he bails out once again just for views and subs. LOL

[@austinprice2278]

😂

[@mikarasheed1075]

In AP school we actually removed the engine and prop on a 310 it sucked putting those front motor mounts back in

[@scottkleyla7752]

That 310 airframe speed 300 knots and instrumentation when new was special memories, safety first,go NAVY