Why I'm Ditching My Staccatos…

[@DR-co4hs]

"This isn't click-bait" *Proceeds to explain why he isn't really ditching Stacatto, making the title clickbait*

[@vmpgsc]

Yep. :(

[@johnwyliejr347]

Yeah, this video is pretty lame. Total click bait.

[@jhos9494]

I lose all respect for content creators when they do this. It’d be infinitely more helpful for people to accurately title the video.

[@Osprey1994]

​@@iamtherealrauschguy Clickbait irritates the shit out of me. Part of why I unsubbed from Armed Scholar is because his clickbait is way over the top, and he will milk a case like mad.

[@TheLegoJoker]

Yeah. Sending to be fixed or modded is not “getting rid of.” Definitely clickbait. Ugh.

[@PhilipDozois]

"Title isn't click bait" ... turns out to literally be click bait lol

[@josephfleming1666]

Sample size of 1. Haven't experienced this and neither have any of the many Staccato shooters I know or have trained with because they know to use the proper magazines and base pads. It's not a design issue. There has always been an issue of potential over insertion with extended mags in 1911s and 2011s. They are designed around the standard capacity mags not the extended mags. The base pad is not a band aid for a "design flaw", it's what you need to safely use extended mags.

[@brentsproc]

69% of the 420 friends of mine who own staccatos have experience this problem. It's a design flaw.

[@JUSTAGUY1000]

@@brentsproc there's 421 clowns in your circus?

[@silkytx]

100% Agreed. He's calling it something it's not. Looks like a paid ad for his friends at Vulvcan because they're having a hard time selling their products/services.

[@josephfleming1666]

@KEV_101 gee thanks for the condescending psychoanalysis. Don't need to justify anything as the cost is not an issue for me. Just don't like these clickbait types of videos that provide anecdotal information to viewers that is misleading.

[@SuperMrBguy]

try out the ltt p30 series, if your going from staccato's it would be interesting to see your thoughts on the LEM trigger

[@emeryemond7904]

Been shooting STIs in USPSA since 90s, now own 3 Staccatos - not only are you rehashing a phantom issue but youre about a couple years late to "reveal" this over hyped so-called flaw. If youd been paying attention you would have been aware how to correctly do a slide lock reload, or if really concerned you could have paid attention and purchased some basepads along w the Staccato aquisitions. This sob story "breaking news" video sounds like an ad for Monsoons grip module ???

[@BrothaGoodReps]

I own 3 Staccatos P, C2, CS and have never had this issue. Do think it’s just your pistol or have other people been complaining about issues as well?

[@JUSTAGUY1000]

No it’s only a problem for guys that don’t listen and use the wrong mags. He won’t buy baseplates because he has like 15. (That would cost $300) he’s going to instead replace 2 grips that cost $700 each. Lol

[@Nickalapokis]

Apparently it is pretty common you you like slamming reloads in like if you switch to a 19/2011 from a plastic gun or similar. I believe it has been around since extended mags have been made for 1911s but I'm still new to them.

[@tmgjurassic3738]

You can't slam a mag into any slide locked pistol, they all over seat. If the complaint is "I am dumb, put something in or on the gun/magazine to overcome me being dumb" then whatever.

[@tonoqt]

I’d be interested to see you rocking a Cajun Gun Works CZ PO1

[@victorsimon3745]

According to Staccato, Gen3 mags fix the issue…..I have a C, C2, CS, P, XL, and XC; with well over 10k rounds through the XC….zero issues……

[@nated3663]

Go with an M&P performance center or the C.O.R.E. Series. The grey ones that come with 3 or 4 mags and a pelican case, knife, and a red dot you can sell off towards a better one. All for like $550-$625 depending on the sale. I have the older 4.6” version and am really liking it.

[@markallenalford]

I’d love to see someone big really dig into the CZ P01.

[@mrs.vasquezz]

Like almost every military on earth?

[@markallenalford]

@@mrs.vasquezz Yes….I meant someone big on YT.

[@mrs.vasquezz]

@@markallenalford 😞

[@theremnant216]

​@@markallenalford Honest Outlaw has gone over them a few times. The p01 has been my favorite pistol for years. I've gotten plenty of guns double and triple the price but the p01 is just such a sweet spot for me. Recoil impulse, follow up shots, ergonomics etc. It's just insanely good. If you're considering one, I highly recommend it.

[@markallenalford]

@@theremnant216 Oh man, I love mine! And I’ve probably watched those many times! I’m actually patiently waiting for him to send and/or get it back from CGW. He said he was going to lol.

[@SmittyWessn]

My vote is for the M&P 2.0 Metal. The Barrel and Hatchet guys just switched to it and are liking it.

[@GhostDaTactical]

Isn't "over-insertion" an issue with 2011s as a general rule? From what I have heard, when doing a reload on a 2011, you have to pause ever so slightly between getting the mag to the magwell and inserting to prevent this issue. Someone with experience please correct me if I'm wrong here.

[@Mastersnake392]

To my knowledge it can be, but from I've heard the Staccato P shouldn't have the issue with their 17 and 20 round magazines since the base pads interface to the bottom of the magwell to prevent over insertion.

[@SnapD24]

I'd love to see the fits induced going from Staccato to the Langdon P30/L.

[@statechamphotmail]

I second this

[@dougo753]

Makes sense, I tell everyone my Staccato does everything my HK VP9 does about 10% better but costs 3 times as much. It is NOT as reliable on all ammo types as my VP9, I bet that P30/L is super nice.

[@farastray1]

Why P30? DA/SA is just a turnoff. Their VP9 is really good as is, without mods, just throw a SRO on top.

[@WDLC1911]

@@farastray1, try a Langdon Beretta 92. Outstandingly smooth Double Action trigger (under 7 lbs); 0.10” trigger reset and a 3.4 lb super crisp single action press.

[@farastray1]

@@WDLC1911 Ben stoeger has had interesting posts about them breaking under heavy training regimen.

[@jdglock9114]

HK P30 LEM / Law Enforcement Modification Precise break like a striker. This hammer fired system allows staging if needed to make a precisely placed shot.

[@h3brew]

My vote is also for a LTT P30L with LEM trigger and Dot. Im a HK USP fanboy and would love your opinion on the P30 series. 😎

[@seandurns110]

Have two and love them. Put 3K through one of them in six weeks. Zero failures and I shoot cheap crappy ammo.

[@jakedub7453]

I hate when people knock the prodigy as just not as good, when this video is literally about returning a 2011. Because guess what I have had with my 3700 round prodigy? ✨no issues✨

[@Highdragdan]

Man, you need to try the Dan Wesson DWX!!! If you end up going with a DWX or other CZ’s let us know(Primary Machine) we’ll get you hooked up!

[@S13hunter]

The older designed STI 2011 grip modules can still over insert, the ones you have probably are using the Dawson Posi Lock Mag release, that stops over insertion in the gen 1 modules. Hopefully one day Dawson will design Posi-Lock for the Staccato grip module.

[@kellen9188]

You should check out the Walther PDP. I’ve been very content with my Glocks for a while but this gun has got me itching to get one.

[@dirty-civilian]

Good stuff man. Quick, to the point and honest.

[@urgi.j0e]

Full m&p line! Or at least a 4” 2.0 and metal 2.0

[@SolarPhantomHD]

I also vote for the CZ P01 (my edc) however they also can have an over insertion issue. If using non-stock mags, same thing you describe. I’ve had luck with using Taran tactical base pads on mec gar 15 rnd mags.

[@Razerhasgame]

CZ’s are beasts. Love all mine.

[@patrickmichael1565]

So not getting rid of them. This video sure seems like fishing for a company to send a free gun. 😂

[@caleb.w]

CZ p10c is the fucking jam

[@pranavkamath4329]

Beretta 92 imo in general is one of the closest guns I’ve shot in terms of how well it recoils and get back on target to a 2011. The 92 XI is a sao with a frame safety. Might be the closest option. The Langdon P30 sounds awesome. I love the LEM trigger. It’s not as crisp and nice as a 2011 or CZ, but it’s good enough for combat/carry and imo is the best hammer fired trigger system if you don’t want to run a safety Then there’s CZ. Great guns, can tune them to be super crisp and super fast.

[@johnwallroff5918]

The new USA made SIG P226 X-Five will fit this same category as well. SAO, frame mounted thumb safety. 5" barrel, all P226 mags will work in them. Heavy steel frame. Etc etc.

[@Johnblaze678]

That makes sense. I have a 2019 Staccato P with the Tree Bark grip, and I've never had magazine over insertion or ejection issues. I don't think I've ever experienced a malfunction.

[@joshgoetz8879]

Try out one of those Langdon P30s! Would love to hear your experience.

[@jayweth]

M&p 2.0 or XMacro

[@charlesreeves3426]

A CZ P-01 with otics plate and trigger work from CZ's Shop.

[@Ncgear2017]

Oh please do the M&P 2.0!

[@henrykim4535]

+1 for LTT P30L with the LEM trigger

[@Glandash]

This issue exists with every metal magazine on the market. The only exception is the molded in overtravel stop on Glock magazines. I don’t know why more companies don’t emulate that feature of Glock’s magazine.

[@Michiganbreadboyz_bt8919]

My M&P mags are metal and I don’t think this could ever be an issue

[@Glandash]

@@Michiganbreadboyz_bt8919 M&P mags use a baseplates to prevent this. If you use aftermarket long tubes with the baseplate not in place, it will happen. It you use standard M&P 17 round mags in the 15 round compact and don’t use the sleeve, it will happen.

[@Michiganbreadboyz_bt8919]

@@Glandash oh I get it now hahah thanks for the reply my man.

[@doc4874]

CZ Glock HK SW etc are all very good. Comes down to preference. Definitely the golden age of handguns.

[@bannedmonkey]

Langdon P30/P30L should be it. Beautiful gun and you can beat it in the ground and it will still work.

[@barrelandhatchet]

M&p 2.0 Metal 5 inch (competitor) or 4.25 inch

[@billdrill22]

Zev OZ9 is my vote

[@jacobthompson7611]

+1 for m&p

[@appaple2937]

p30 with LEM trigger would be awesome

[@Knight_of_the_Old_Code]

I had a C2 for roughly a month and sold it back to my dealer. Even after putting new followers in their newer mags, the gun REFUSED to slide lock on any of said mags. This is completely and totally unacceptable for a $3k handgun. My $500 Gen 5 Glock 45 MOS slide locks EVERY TIME. I might get another Staccato in the future, but it left such a bad taste in my mouth, I'm not sure.

[@briarbohach9099]

Are staccatos just giant or are Jimmys hands tiny?

[@OAGG10]

LTT P30L would be awsome, everybody talks about HK but not enough CCW reviews on its best models.

[@brennanbrennecke3323]

Do the right thing. Join the M&P 2.0 gang.

[@rickpineo2588]

Try the LTT P30 LEM. I have 2 and they are amazing!

[@jeffbarber9561]

You're being nice. Everyone knows it's unacceptable for something to cost so much to have any type of issues that aren't caused by excessive use. With that being said, every gun has its own issues, except Glock :) (when it comes to reliability) But if you're still looking for something with class and all metal give LTT RDO Beretta's a try. Frames are aluminum.

[@Michiganbreadboyz_bt8919]

Do the 26 round staccato mags over insert

[@ryancarmona4587]

I am someone who has never liked Gucci glocks and aftermarket parts, I’ve always felt like you sacrifice ruggedness when you start using lightweight parts and cutting off metal. I have also always been a fan of metal frame guns, they just seem to shoot better. That said, I think the m&p 2.0 is a no brainer. Between the grip angle & texture, the serrations, optic compatibility, I could go on and on. I run the metal and it’s the perfect factory handgun.

[@Osprey1994]

Personally, I think the polymer is an advantage.

[@jessegpresley]

you sound like a boomer.

[@Tennessee_est1983]

CZ P-01! It’s by far my favorite handgun!

[@kevinkelley5438]

If you like 2011s, why not try a Wilson Combat? Or if you want a modern striker fire, why not try the PDP or PDP-F 4"?

[@caseycollins7294]

Pretty small sample size to be moving away from the entire 2011 platform. Kinda felt like this was just an ad for Vulcans grip.

[@PolymerLad]

Hop on the Beretta train, LTT RDO and send it.

[@MR.G-417]

Try the smith and Wesson m&p compact with a c&h precision eps plate and mount the eps plate. Awesome set up. Or if you really want to go crazy get the m&p that is direct milled for the aimpoint acro.

[@glockfowtay]

"not clickbait" *proceeds to show the title was clickbait*

[@willparker7864]

So what I’m hearing is that the para p14 style guns are the way

[@dkava76]

CZ P-10C please. Give it a shot. You’ll love it.

[@Fidicious]

Can you do a Review of a Hi-Point? Thanks!

[@seandurns110]

Langdon HKP30. Have two and love them.

[@artimla492]

PDP-F!!! Why not get the best trigger performance possible out of a striker fired platform? Or the pdp-pro.

[@venturetales7131]

Walther pdp sir I would like to see you put this gun through the paces I'm 6,000 rounds in and it is phenomenal

[@hotrodglock]

M&P for the best off the shelf Glock alternative

[@taylorpestana1809]

I definitely want to see the S&W 2.0 metal. It has my attention big time.

[@jesse5167]

It's nearly the same as the standard model and twice the cost - why?

[@J.Young808]

Does this happen on all Staccatos or just a certain year of production. My LGS has a 2020 production Staccato P for sale with the “17” (pinned to 10) round mags.

[@duoofdefense8133]

Let’s see the M&Ps!

[@WDLC1911]

I was considering one of these but… a Glock Model 45 with a Radian Ramjet barrel with their comp and an ACRO P-2 or RMR will do 90 percent of what the Staccato does for 1/3 the price and better reliability. Whispering: I’d still like to try one. 😊

[@adann3528]

M&P 2.0 with that apex flatty 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@mrgoodkat8567]

Ive been having issues with my g3 c2 mags. If I leave them loaded for more than about three months at a time, there is a noticeable dip in the follower and it sits about a strong 1/16” lower than new mags. I havent had function issues caused by it but it definitely gives me some concern. Ive never seen any other gun mags do that and ive left many loaded for longer periods of time

[@zerocool3957]

CZ Shadow 2 !

[@armorers_wrench]

The Sig P320 also has over insertion issues when using extended mags.

[@masondepaola6308]

Walther PDP or CZP10c

[@seanrodriguez2384]

M&P all day babyyyyy!

[@madeintexas1213]

Do a CZ P01 and P07 upgraded from Cajun Gunworks. I’ve also heard good things about Langdon tactical beretta 92’s

[@boomee78]

Walther pdp sd pro or any walther pdp in general phenomenal pistol 3 of my friends have replaced there staccattos with pdps with stock triggers dynamic triggers or overwatch triggers. I run stock mostly 6k rounds still tracking

[@blisstits]

Agreed. The PDP is the underground GOAT of polymer Striker fired pistols. I suggest the Pro SD or the “Poland Special” which is a nested comp version where it combines a 5” frame, Full size or compact, with a 4” slide, 4.5” threaded barrel and a PMM compensator. Sexy build.

[@boomee78]

@@blisstits that already has a name its called the pdx

[@blisstits]

@@boomee78 Didn’t know that. I’ll be calling mine that now

[@robinstephen1751]

Are the baseplates that come from factory new staccato p’s now fixing this baseplate issue?

[@THPOOKY]

Sig P226 Legion SAO (2011 alternative) Sig P320 X-Carry/Compact

[@pooptyschmoopty]

Have both of these and love them but I do love to carry my original Staccato C

[@THPOOKY]

@@pooptyschmoopty I have and love a couple P320s and a P365x. I just can't get over the price and reliability problems of the staccatos. That's why I'm so interested in the p226 Legion SAO. It seems like it would have the reliability I want, with a single action trigger that I'd never be able to outrun.

[@pooptyschmoopty]

@Keegan Timpanaro yeeeeah my p226 legion is my main squeeze, absolutely amazing and if you can find one with the rare and controversial ttr grip (I think that's what it's called) grab it! As for carry though the Staccato C has never given me a problem maybe because it was the first gen and was put under more quality controlled eyes before they fully switched over from STI to Staccato but it has never given me a problem, just 8 rounds sucks haha if I ever had to swap for another carry it would definitely be my X compact again or a 365

[@ajval9816]

M&P 2.0 Metal with an Apex trigger upgrade!

[@The_m41lman]

The 92X performance, gotta see it.

[@michaelpaynter1895]

Yo Jim i might me the only one but can you run a FN 509? Maybe a PMM comp on the front

[@Drixels269]

Thank You for the info.I need to know what brand I’m going to buy for the base pad.

[@sleekfast11]

1) Sounds like you are saying "current" staccato's should not require a "proprietary" base plate for mags to function correctly but should accept ALL 2011 mags from previous staccato (and STI) 2011's without causing feed problems as shown in video (?), 2) for the FIRST TIME in my firearms' owning experience, I don't have this problem (fist pump), but can definitely sympathize as I know what it's like to be FOOKED, 3) note that metal grips sold by Vulcan Machine Works start at about $750 (ouch), so "maybe", buying the 10-8 or Staccato base plates is a viable solution after all (?). The BIG take-a-way from your video is that STACCATO should include a notice and/or reference to a video which informs the prospective buyer and/or owner of the "problem", with detailed guidance on how to resolve it so they DON'T damage ejector (etc). Buying almost any product these days is like navigating a MINE FIELD, no matter how much $$$ you spend.

[@FOX814]

CZ P10F for the win!

[@NickHairston]

I wanna see Jimmy with a micro carry like a sig 365xl. That would be Uber interesting.

[@Osprey1994]

P365XL isn't micro, let's be honest. The P365 is micro, while the P365XL is approaching a G19 footprint, while being slim. If you look at them on Handgun Hero, you see that the Glock mag baseplate protrudes, but the bottom edge of the grips are almost identical. The main advantage is width and a bit of length saved (although the G19 wasn't difficult to carry barrel length wise). I do love the P365 though, and it's ability to become exactly what you want.

[@ericraymond1274]

I haven't run any 2011s really, but I've had a ton of polymer pistols and my favorite is the pdp, and if not that than the m&p 2.0 with apex triggers

[@TheSlingshotShow]

Would love to see some CZ love on here! or even a switch to Atlas Gunworks

[@jakeminton74]

Next edc should either be the LTT P30 or the HK VP9.

[@donwelchmusic]

Do those grips fit the new staccato base pads though? Do they also fit the flush fit?

[@mikehoncho806]

You got some killer content lately man very unbiased and honest opinions and issues, do these guys grip modules work with the prodigy also or no? And my vote for the edc would be a 2.0 metal or the competitor if your feeling dangerous from what I’ve read it’s actually suppose to be lighter than the 4.25 metal not sure what voodoo they used to accomplish that

[@mattf2666]

Langdon PX4 Compact Carry with RDO and NP3. Very concealable and buttery smooth.

[@JBuriani]

I suggest the FN 509 Tactical. I have the 509 Tactical Compact and find that the grip angle is very comparable to my 1911. I don't have to adjust my grip between the two.

[@RoninWarrior1776]

I’m lucky to have a 1911/2011 armor/gunsmith at my department 🤘🏽never have to send mine out

[@uhavedied12334557]

Glock 19 with a holosun and a tlr-7a, it'll probs be close to what most people carry. Alternatively, a Nagant revolver for the lulz (it can be integrally silenced).

[@vse0]

M&P 2.0 9mm full size with thumb safety

[@MichaelTaylor-p4y]

At this price point, it should just work.

[@luckyr.8984]

Just buy a gen 1 grip and issue is resolved. 🤙🏽

[@tannertappan309]

Get a Langdon Tactical Beretta!

[@evandaniels9659]

HK p30L or SK with the LEM trigger

[@MrTjones1987]

I sold mine and carry a m&p now. Took the money and built some nice ass rifles 💪🏾

[@marcusjohnson5839]

Definitely a click bait title… m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXenp6ydd61_f5I&pp=ygUdQXRsYXMgbWFnYXppbmUgb3ZlciBpbnNlcnRpb24%3D I’m not 100% sure because I don’t have one personally (different manufacturer), yet it’s not a Staccato only issue. Other manufacturers have the same problem and there’s only a few ways around it. Either way if someone uses an extended 26+rnd magazine the potential is there to over insert. I’d have to see an Atlas/other manufacturer up close to see if they designed that part at a different angle/spec to completely remove the issue. Overall again with an extended magazine I don’t see them being able to avoid the issue. If the slide locks back in competition, the person has done something wrong. Even from a tactical perspective if it runs empty something went wrong. It’s quite possible that slide lock reloads have been a bit over popularized. Again those trying to do well in competition don’t run completely empty and if at all possible tactical people top off proactively not reactively to oh the slide locked back.

[@Delta82]

You should carry the Hi-Point C9 and get a red dot mounted on it.

[@cbin93]

I'm ditching my Staccato C2 but for different reasons and going back to straight Glocks.

[@Trade_and_Shoot]

Please explain why you are leaving the C2 and heading back to Glock.

[@cbin93]

@@Trade_and_Shoot The C2 is a great gun. But I’m stuck using Glock for work as it is and for my my G19 is 10x easier to conceal than the similarly sized C2. I regret getting a C2 over a P sized model as it isn’t as good as a P size for competition. It just does a lot less for me with a lot of money tied up into it.