Jin Policy Reforms | The Founding of Jin Let's Talk Lore E03

[@Babigoldfish]

Return home at 80, became a prince. Absolute chad Sima Fu

[@Binary84]

Sima Yan obviously skipped his history classes. There was already a precedent to Jin's rebellion of the eight princes, that was the rebellion of the seven states during the Han Dynasty.

[@shinsenshogun900]

Sima Yan doing his part on fomenting Chinese civil megawars by doing it like a Crusader Kings 3 player with overextensive lands granted away to his clan kindred and relative followers!

[@Dakaork]

You get fiefdom, you get a fiefdom, everybody get a fiefdom

[@thomasnguyen5197]

It's just easier lmao

[@TheSeaAsian]

Sima Fu was like 85 or 86 when Jin was established? The guy still manages to live for another 6 years, damn he's just built different And one of his descendants also became very important during late Northern Song era, these Simas just don't stop being important, my lord...

[@shaggycan]

If one of the later Han Emperors had lived that long there might not have been a three kingdoms.

[@MillerZhanged]

Which descendant? Is it Sima Guang?

[@TheSeaAsian]

@@MillerZhanged Yeah its him. Apparently Sima Guang was also the main writer of the Zizhi Tongjian too, and I remember SeriousTrivia also at times references from this work. He's a very important figure, and I find it pleasant that there's somehow a link between Sima Fu with one of China's most revered historical records.

[@JohnSmith-us9fv]

Really interesting! It makes sense that the unintended consequences led to the 8 princes war!

[@orirotem2298]

Sima liang: i have an ace its called cao huan he will return to the throne i will sacrifice myself for the wei

[@crazyhotchicken]

Another great episode

[@Minh2612S]

Great video as always. Btw, did you have a video about Han dynasty political structure?

[@SeriousTrivia]

Not quite on that topic

[@yukimurasanada5209]

the only victory Wu ever got on Wei after Sun Quan's Death was bragging rights on We lasted the longest of the 3....ok lets surrender

[@rivalstorm7216]

Our first time seeing Du Yu

[@herbangm.naibaho5405]

Du Yu think so?

[@captainmurphy4720]

MY THUMB IS ALREADY UPSED.

[@apizzanaut4923]

Did Sima Yan's new Grand Excellencies positions survive past their initial officeholders demise and if so, did successor states keep them?

[@SeriousTrivia]

No it was reversed back for the most part

[@alanfate09]

Cant wait :D

[@frost9041]

3 top level military posts? I'm sure that'll work out just fine. Well, I'm given to understand that Grand Commandant is like Minister of Defence and is more civil than military but what's the division of duties between supreme military commander and Grand General?

[@SeriousTrivia]

Da Sima ranks above the Grand General. These two are the actual military general ranks.

[@frost9041]

@@SeriousTrivia I see, one other question. I notice that the rank Da Sima and the name Sima seemingly share the same characters if I didn't misremember. Which use came first?

[@SeriousTrivia]

The are the same term with the same characters. The origins of the Sima surname is someone who had the position and decide to use it as their surname. There are a lot of surnames that are also the name of government positions. For example Cao is another case of this. So technically the government position names came first and then when someone decided to use it as their surname, it came second. This reflect a much more ancient time in Chinese history when surnames and naming in general has few rules and structure.

[@orirotem2298]

The jin had relations with rome and byzentium ?

[@SeriousTrivia]

and you get that from where?

[@orirotem2298]

@@SeriousTrivia i asked because maybe this thing happened i was curious

[@orirotem2298]

@@SeriousTrivia maybe rome had plans to have diplomscy with china

[@SeriousTrivia]

I mean trade happened but nothing directly or officially as its not like there wasn't a lot of other smaller kingdoms in between the two of them.

[@orirotem2298]

@@SeriousTrivia to sad none could establish military alliance rome/ byzentium had a thing that china would like to own as a weapon the greek fire for example