JingYuan proves "THE" tierlist wrong by getting 40k Score in Purefiction.

[@OPHONKAI]

MFs don't know how to play him smh.

[@JoaoVictor-hq8zv]

They really do don't know man, most of the communities that take part in prydwen discord and data gathering are from MR. Pokke and kafkamains

[@zerk343]

Its not like he is hard to play anyway

[@ValentineRey]

Jing Yuan Teams are fun, so many to choose from. Keep up the videos man, you got a sub. ❤

[@OPHONKAI]

Thanks!

[@BelialRus]

Prydwen makes their TL based on E0S0 characters I believe (not saying its good/correct tho) also tbf almost any char can get 35Kish with E1S1 Robin here

[@sutkonos]

Not claiming it but I doubt jingliu, blade or clara can without being carried by himeko/jade/argenti

[@BelialRus]

@@sutkonos JL most def not, Blade it depends on the weakness probably worse, Clara def outperforms JY. I hate to defend Prydwen bc their TL is garbage but to their excuse they claim to use "best teams" (whatever that means) and I studying it I found a very strong correlation between characters positions based on team synergies. For example their Blade TL position is 100% based on Jade etc.

[@sutkonos]

@@BelialRus makes sense, honestly i wouldn't really call prydwen TL garbage it's just that some takes are absolutely horrible and biased but for average player it's reliable enough to make pulling decisions in most cases, imo

[@meory125]

​@@sutkonosnot really i can get 37k score with clara hypercarry

[@misery4388]

@@sutkonos my clara clear this pf easily

[@ZytenEspada]

Jingliu could literally never. KINGYUAN.

[@OPHONKAI]

​@@ZytenEspada maybe my jingliu can. I will try to get 40k (or even 30k pf score) by using jingliu all by herself.... Upcoming vid today I guess..... (Edit: she can't 😢)

[@ZytenEspada]

@@OPHONKAI 😭😭😭😭😭

[@Vrsds]

So me that has an e1 Robin with her event light cone (After I got Robin I Missclicked and pulled on her character baner getting E1 at 0 pity.) I'm bad at this game because for some reason pulling for eidolons is bad??? Oh I have Ruan Mai and Galagher, if I pull Firefly I'm a wail because I have a meta team. Shelle a 1.0 Dps is a joke in the eyes of the community, but I can still 0 clear with her to this day. Silverwolf when she came out, was overhyped, players and content creators were saying, she was a must pull. Now almost no one cares about her and uses her as a meme for overhyped upcoming characters. The players just need to relax, pull for what they like, ignoring the self created meta in a not competitive game and put the time to learn the gameplay of their characters.

[@traive-alastor]

Okay but, why does Robin's song sound so groovy at 2x speed???? Anyways, nice gameplay. I gotta try this setup

[@Cadmun]

Prydwen don’t play the same game we do. It’s like how they put Firefly above Boothill when he outperforms her in 2 game modes and is more future proof 😅

[@7Clover]

lol literally a popularity contest there. tierlist really don't matter at all if you put in some Eidolons tbh. Unlike other gacha games.

[@sairamanbalagan8853]

Robin E1S1 showcase xD

[@7Clover]

yup it's literally same when you use any other dps with Robin too. Fei Xiao, Yunli, Fua literally relies on robin lol.

[@dantez3600]

​@@7Clover problem is op is arguing that tier list is wrong when the tier list only ranks units according to their E0S0. Op is not being transparent.

[@7Clover]

@@dantez3600 That part I agree. arguing against a pointless tierlist.

[@OPHONKAI]

@dantez3600 Uhhhh I don't have e0s0 Robin (I don't have tomorrow journey's lc max level) so I had to use my signature lc for it. Could be doable at 3 cost with e1 Robin but seriously it's not a huge issue tho? Like this team is using two 4 stars unlike other clears with full 5 stars. I know e1 isn't allowed but 40k run can be pulled off with jade , Robin and fuxuan in the mix. I had said in my description (sorry for not telling y'all in the video) that e0s0 Robin instead of e1s1 can do 30k-35k with the same time shown in the video.

[@vwoeng7477]

Good video! Please ignore the comment section, I hope you will create more content despite this sort of people's.

[@Pe_iki]

starting to think maybe i should upgrade my Jing Yuan that i got in 1.0 with his light cone and never used

[@Hermitpurple-t6u]

i get 40k in first half but 2nd half i don't get 20k

[@TcorpDon]

We're just not gonna talk about the insane 185 speed Tingyun has???

[@madom1r]

He's not the worst, but majority of players can't play him, hence why he always get bad scores in PF, in the last three phases Jingliu and Jing Yuan have basically the same score, still, I wouldn't place him in the same tier as her, but it's justified.

[@OPHONKAI]

Uhhh.... Jingyuan is mostly played all by himself (or sometimes with jade) compared to jingliu who is exclusively played with herta(or blade). Otherwise she ain't gonna score even 40k ,let alone 30k It's just that I was trying to show jingyuan's potential as a hypercarry dps who doesn't need chars like jade , herta in order to clear pf.

[@madom1r]

@@OPHONKAI I was not even considering 40k for both of them, I don't think he is that bad (hsr players are known for skill issue), even though I don't agree with some positions on the tierlist, they have to base them on something, Jing Yuan kept getting less then 30k on average so they had to lower him. I know you are just trying to showcase his potencial with decent investment (No S1 but E1S1 Robin) and I don't have a problem with that, I was just yapping about his position on the tierlist because that's why you made this video.

[@OPHONKAI]

That's fair tbh. Honestly they gotta start doing their own proper testing.

[@blancka4200]

185 SPD Tingyun???? 💀

[@keilumina]

The robin e1s1 downplaying is crazy, love when people use limited support eidolons and claim it’s the dps carrying. Let’s see this without that level of investment, Prydwen even specifies that their lists are made excluding eidolons and signatures

[@OPHONKAI]

I think Robin at e0s0 is probably be fine for jingyuan to score *atleast* 30k in pf? I do think lightcones and eidolons are kinda unrelatable for the majority of players in the game. Also I honestly don't think e1s1 Robin will carry blade, jingliu and Clara through the first half by themselves. Hence jingyuan is still carrying. (Edit: also this team has two fours stars while e1s1 Robin is kinda crazy ,this team is actual cheaper compared to 4 cost normal sustain teams coz signature lc is cheaper and higher chance to get.)

[@oworandom]

​@@OPHONKAI downplaying clara is crazy 💀

[@OPHONKAI]

My bad, I actually know clara's potential. (I wanted to edit the comment but didn't.) she t1 frfr.

[@7Clover]

why do you make it sound like investing in Eiodolon is a bad thing in a gacha game lul. prydwen should be ignored unless you are going fully f2p.

[@oworandom]

@@7Clover frfr The term 'ignoring investment ' is just fucking stupid and is just saying that you suck at the game and cant even build proper characters

[@bokayu]

I support this.

[@danielalfredoquesadacortez1424]

Prydwen ranks limited units using their E0S0. You are using E1S1 Robin. This video is pointless.

[@OPHONKAI]

Vaild point. I already mentioned (in the description) But I think this team with e0s0 Robin will score around 30k or more? Also the team is using 2 four stars compared to most players using all 5 star teams and the total cost (of this team) is 4 cost. And can be further reduced to three cost with e1 Robin.(My traces and builds weren't the best so there were other players who could clear better than me.) having a single e1 when you're using 2 four star units isn't crazy, I get it prydwen doesn't take e1s in consideration too but jingyuan , jade , Ruan mei/Robin and fu xuan team all e0s0 btw can clear 40k. I think jingyuan sparkle Robin aventurine can clear 40k?. (I don't have aventurine) (Copypasted)

[@dankmeimes4274]

I fear that this video proves that jingyuan is mid

[@7Clover]

@@dankmeimes4274 wow 1.0 character that can still clear end content with that score is mid. then the rest must be mid too.

[@dankmeimes4274]

@@7Clover He was mid in 1.0

[@7Clover]

@@dankmeimes4274 yup mid because he can clear everything

[@dankmeimes4274]

@7Clover mid because he needs 2 whole patches of investment and e1s1 to barely clear a game mode created for his character class yeah

[@7Clover]

@@dankmeimes4274 I guess you don't play many gacha games but clearing end content itself is not mid at all. there are many gacha games that literally makes heavily I mean heavily invested characters cannot clear(fire emblem heroes, dx2, etc). 40k is not a barely clearing content my dude. also I auto 40k with JingYuan hypercarry team consistently in pf so it all depends on the perspective. Also it's a freaking gacha game there is no laws against investing in characters. You literally can play however you want. If your life is all about going to JingYuan videos to call him mid then your rl might be below mid...

[@xpeke2.027]

*prydwen tier list is based at e0s0 characters only *says jingyuan being low tier is untrue *To prove his point, he uses an e1s1 robin as his support *Wow jingyuan is doing 40k *Thinks he proved a point E1 robin is literally a ruan mei ult, s1 solves her energy problems. While I do agree that prydwen tier list have wrong takes, trying to prove that it's untrue using characters that are far above the condition is just plain stupid.

[@OPHONKAI]

@@xpeke2.027 i do agree with some points. I can't really turn off e1 Robin so uhh. Also I don't have jingyuan bis sustain (huohuo) or aventurine for that matter(which does matter in this team btw). Uhh e1s1 Robin is basically essential for me cuz my traces ain't max and builds (I know this might sound like bs). E1S0 seems popular with most 40k clears of solo jingyuan. 3 cost is doable is for him. Jingyuan can clear with jade + Robin + fuxuan all at e0s0. (Maybe even at 3 cost?) But counter arguments to it (jade showcase) get annoying when you consider top teams normally use dual dps. I tried to prove that (I tried ok) that jingyuan is fairly decent on its own (I was trying to prove the pryden tierlist here who unironically put a complete aoe unit in t2 in same tier as a garbage solo (no subdps) pf unit who can't even score 40k. Prydwen tierlists are used as gospel in the community you know? Not everyone knows the meta and they follow what's popular in the community and spread misinformation regarding certain units. Nothing else I ain't trying to prove he is some godtier pf unit, he is simply in the middle or above average in some cases that's all.) Also the team does consist of two 4 star chars so it's fairly f2p? (At 3 cost) But I still agree with no eidlons no signature ( even tho can be stupid at times) so e0s0 Robin would score around 30-35k (I tested with using crippled e1 Robin with bronya lc) Full 40k with jade is possible.

[@xpeke2.027]

​@@OPHONKAI​ no misinformation is being spread my guy. T2 is still part of meta characters. There's literally a big text on top of it saying "Meta Characters". What part of that tier list says he is below average? The title of your vid is literally "jingyuan proves the tier list wrong". But what exactly are you trying to prove? Idk if you even know what meta characters mean my guy

[@OPHONKAI]

@@xpeke2.027 nah nah nah. he is in the same tier as JINGLIU like WHAT. (mind you I have her at e1s1 but never ever used her in pf. She is worse than blade when it comes to using subdps units , cause blade at least benefits from jade but not jingliu. (Herta and jingliu are semi viable at best.) like seriously has there been a single low cost 40k clear of her? Even with herta or jade? Don't think so) At best he is T1.5 and still performs with jade/herta well. Putting jingyuan in the same tier as jingliu is straight misinformation for the general masses. Also dot teams(If you exclude acheron/jade in the mix) are seriously performing worse than even jingyuan teams with similar investment. I still haven't seen an 40k clear with a premium dot team with Kafka , blackswan , Ruan mei and huohuo. Like where is the 40k? Cause acheron is literally carrying dot teams rn. They still haven't considered dropping them but considering dropping seele cause people don't know how to play her. And I also want to shoutout serval here too and she deserves t2 . Like how is she worse than fucking qingque? Seriously don't try to argue and defend this tierlist.

[@xpeke2.027]

@@OPHONKAI again, what are you exactly trying to prove? The threshold of that tier list is 30k not 40k. Reason why you are even getting 40k is because you have characters way above the criteria indicated in the list. I'm not defending the tier list, im just saying that your way of trying to disapprove it is so stupid because you aren't even using characters that are in the indicated criteria. Actually you don't even know what the criteria is which is the funny part lmao.

[@xpeke2.027]

@@OPHONKAI i just did pf and got 40k using fei herta robin adventurine easily. No e1s1 5 stars, just e6 herta with a 4 star lc and the others others with f2p options lol. Show me a clip of e0s0 jy team hitting 30k+, ill wait lol. Also if you're gonna say "oh but you're using feixiao", again, read the criteria of the list

[@zerk343]

Robin is truly the goat

[@7Clover]

@@zerk343 harmony(or support) usually carries every dps. there is no dps that can solo at e0s0. literally every dpss. every dpss get carried.

[@Sprinxer]

Insane Robin hypercarry

[@raz5]

Robin showcase

[@7Clover]

@@raz5 it's same with literally every fua based dpss nowadays. actually same goes for every dpss and their supports. your fave dps are probably trash by themselves.

[@ArchangelSunday]

I was about to tell you gg until I saw your traces. I'm at this point to dislike lmaoo, Lyo stop hiding we know it's you 😂 (Fr tho please max your ult and skill at least)

[@OPHONKAI]

I am addicted to farming relics raaaah 🗣️

[@SpicyFox-0]

Ok i love Jing Yuan but Robin E1 enabled this.

[@7Clover]

robin does the same to other dps too. Also you make it sound like putting in Eiodolon is a bad thing in a gacha game lul.

[@SpicyFox-0]

@@7Clover yes putting in an eidolon into the mix is a bad thing as it inflates the numbers. Most people will not pull eidolons so the numbers they are seeing from Jing Yuan in this video are unrealistic and just straight up misinformation. Prydwen tier list makes every 5 star be E0 for a reason

[@7Clover]

@@SpicyFox-0 that's why prydwen is stupid. Why do such thing in a pve gacha game. Unless you are planning to go f2p, it's all pointless. if I am playing skillful game I would go play fire emblem or something else.

[@OPHONKAI]

Honestly think of this as skipping 5 star sustain unit (*cough* luocha *cough*) for a desirable eidolon, 3 cost isn't insane for 40k clear (mine is 4 cost but there are 3 cost runs too)

[@dantez3600]

The tier list ranks limited units according to their E0S0. I hate this kind of non transparent videos the most.

[@OPHONKAI]

Vaild point. I already mentioned (in the description) But I think this team with e0s0 Robin will score around 30k or more? Also the team is using 2 four stars compared to most players using all 5 star teams and the total cost (of this team) is 4 cost. And can be further reduced to three cost with e1 Robin.(My traces and builds weren't the best so there were other players who could clear better than me.) having a single e1 when you're using 2 four star units isn't crazy, I get it prydwen doesn't take e1s in consideration too but jingyuan , jade , Ruan mei/Robin and fu xuan team all e0s0 btw can clear 40k. I think jingyuan sparkle Robin aventurine can clear 40k?. (I don't have aventurine)

[@Oclurat]

Nice video! but try without robin, then everyone can believe he's not mid.

[@BailuGaming]

my Feixiao did unironically better at the same investment...

[@KneecapBreaker445]

Feixiao should not be working this well in pf

[@fordknievel2607]

@@KneecapBreaker445this pf maybe because of you need to break a lot of enemies for pf buff (she can spam that ult with fua allies)

[@somedude8435]

Yeah, Fei + Herta combo is almost as fun as Seele + Herta combo for me in PF 😅

[@kochokanae8313]

feixiao works surprisingly well in pf for a hunt character but you cant really compare her to jy because hes a 1.0 character bro. It takes half a brain to realize who would be the better "meta character"

[@somedude8435]

@@kochokanae8313 nah it's just Jingyuan thing, because Seele is better than him in this PF. Seele team even capable to 0 cycle 2nd node this PF with 3 - 4 costs (the amount of 5 star limited characters and/or lightcone)

[@afn4775]

You mean robin got 40k

[@7Clover]

@@afn4775 same for every dpss that use robin

[@Super-7327]

Impressive, very nice... Now let's see this without Robin

[@7Clover]

@@Super-7327 same goes for literally every dps nowadays except few.

[@Super-7327]

​@@7Clover Mid Yuan was bad since Seele, bro got so many limited supports to save his ass and apparently Sunday is supposed to save him again??? Don't lump him togheter with older DPS, it has always been a Mid Yuan thing only, and that cuz Mihoyo messed up his kit on a fundamental level.

[@7Clover]

@@Super-7327 bad in terms of cannot clear end game contents? the fact always has been he always cleared them though. all the supports are for the other dpss too though. you literally cannot solo clear with a single dps... you literally cannot.. I tried. Fundamentally flawed means he cannot clear anything even if you give him max support including Eiodolons and such but I can auto clear 40k pf and 0 cycle moc 12 with 2 harmony and 1 preservation unit. If he cannot clear single end game with maximum supports then I would agree but facts actually says no so... Maybe you didn't pull him or use him and base your experience from the community? I never felt any limited dpss were bad for it's time. sure some has fallen off because it's gacha but they all can clear endgame contents with enough investments. I literally pulled all the units so... I don't get all the bashing other than being toxic towards other star rail users... I really don't get why people go crazy over eidolons when it's p2w gacha game...

[@Super-7327]

​@@7Clover Point being some characters can clear with less investments than Mid Yuan

[@7Clover]

@@Super-7327 Less or more does it really matter? If the goal is to clear the content with the character(s) that you like? I wanted a character voiced by Jotaro JP VA with a stand to do a million damage in one hit and I made that happen by investing in it. Same goes for any other gacha games. I used to be meta chaser in Genshin but changed my ways when I realized it was pointless in a pve game. Isn't having fun in a game the end goal? That's why I cared way less about tierlist when I started this game and Genshin really made me realize it. Also as always supports matter way more in hoyoverse game compared to any dps.

[@alvarogalvez1725]

I think it is crazy that you are pairing a eurdition character with E1S1 robin on pure fiction and you unironically think this is “proving the tierlist wrong”. For a e1s1 Robin supported erudition, he barely got work done this should have been a 0 cycle 😂

[@7Clover]

@@alvarogalvez1725 tierlist doesn't need to proved wrong because it's so pointless in the first place unless you are planning to go fully f2p.