Jinhao 85 Fountain Pen Unboxing and Review 2021: Is this the ACTUAL Parker 51 Reissue?

This is a new model from Jinhao and is a clone of the new reissue Parker 51. The interesting thing is, it has been on the market well before Parker has released the new 51 (today). I do an experiment on the pen where I try to get the hood off to swap nibs - it didn't go well. I unbox it, talk about the parts and features of the pen, provide some size comparisons and measurements, and then do a writing sample. After the writing sample, I talk about what I like and what I don't like about the pen. Please feel free to use the chapters provided below to skip to various parts of the review.
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Introduction 0:31
Unboxing 3:51
Parker 51 Clone? 5:28
Boiling the Nib 13:06
Parts and Features 15:54
Size Comparisons 19:42
Measurements 20:31
Writing Sample 20:46
Likes and Dislikes 24:37
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[@InkquiringMinds]

I successfully swapped the nib by using Bobby's technique of pulling the nib from the front. Watch here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5eXiqFqYrd6p6s and see the image of the writing sample with the Bobby bent nib here: kzbin.infoUgyUvvAZpwAp141cMAh4AaABCQ

[@MrCabimero]

Finally, a pen review from you that makes me NOT want to run out and buy it now. Thanks for another fine review.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Glad to help! I'll try to find more crappy fountain pens for you! LMAO

[@vitthorn5395]

The best Parker-51-like pen, in my opinion is Wingsung 601 with new pump filler. This is what a perfect Parker 51 should be. Extremely well made and with ink window, and can be taken apart, easily to clean.

[@InkquiringMinds]

I agree 1000% with this Vit! I can't tell you how thrilled I am with my WS601 Flighter with the steel hood and the Bobby nib.

[@laverneclark8191]

Doug, the Boiling the Nib section is hilarious!!!

[@InkquiringMinds]

It is funny when it is sped up, but that was a frustrating hour or so! LOL

[@tictac9074]

Thanks for the great reviews. I had one solitary pentallic demonstrator from my childhood (made in "west germany") up until my stash of pelikan ink finally ran out a year ago. When I was searching for new ink, I ran into these videos. Now I have way more than one type of ink and pen!

[@InkquiringMinds]

Thanks for sharing!

[@robsalley9670]

Once again, thank you for an insightful and entertaining review. You are one person that people can trust because you shoot straight

[@InkquiringMinds]

Thanks so much Rob!

[@w.j.m.91]

There's another version of the Jinhao, called "86" from what I remember, which is plastic with metal cap and even more similiar to the new Parker 51 than the 85. Unlike 85 it posts well and I find it a pretty good pen for the price (I think you can find them for 2 USD) and overall an improvement over the 85.

[@danielrasqui9555]

This was my first review of you. Thank you, this was extremely instructive and on top funny. Thank you!!!

[@InkquiringMinds]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@raclark52]

Great review again Doug. Unlike some other reviewers your handwriting does not make me cry when you are using a fountain pen regardless of the cost. Have a great day.

[@InkquiringMinds]

I appreciate that! I've always hated my handwriting and mostly printed with mechanical pencils and technical pens throughout my career. Getting back into fountain pens and journaling every day has helped a bit. Thanks.

[@penmoel]

Another great video with hilarious mini clips on top of the great info provided, thanks.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@LazyDogTypewriters]

Well hello there, Mr. Rogers, er, Rathbun! :) Nice intro. This pen does look nice - but the Bobby nib swap is just essential for these! I really enjoy the Jinhao 51 with Bobby's nibs. Thanks for all the details revealing the origins of this one.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Thank you, Lazy Dog Typewriters!

[@johnsomers8269]

Love your KZbin programs!

[@InkquiringMinds]

Thank you, John!

[@johnsomers8269]

You absolutely nail the evaluations! Thank you for your KZbin channel long may you and it prosper. Of the Chinese pens, which one do you rate as best value and functionality? What do like for a flex nib pen?

[@InkquiringMinds]

Thank you very much! My favourite Chinese pen is the Penbbs 456; excellent value for the money. I'm not a flex pen writer and I haven't found one that actually does what it claims. The softest gold nib with lots of line variation is the Pilot Falcon with a SF nib.

[@MARIANUS2187]

And thank you for such a patient review.I don't know that those clone 51s are so popular outside China.I have a Wing-sung 601 and I'm really impressed by its piston filler.

[@InkquiringMinds]

I think the Chinese 51 clones are incredibly popular outside of China - look at how many Jinhao 51a and Wing Sung 601 and 601a varieties are out there.

[@bikkies]

I was with you right up to the bit where you suggested a politician has a soul, and then I just knew I was facing a world of fiction. Joking aside, I adore my several genuine Parker 51s and my several several several Jinhao 51As, the WS601 and many others. I love the idea of Parker redoing the P51 but not in the way they seem to have gone for. Deep posting, slip cap, smooth section-to-barrel lines. All things that became iconic for a reason. Don't think I'll be getting the new P51 any time soon.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Thanks, Graham!

[@Luuka11]

Thanks a lot for such a detailed review 👍

[@InkquiringMinds]

You’re welcome!

[@williamcrane1]

Another informative review - keep them coming. Of course I have no intention of buying one, although I had been awaiting the Parker 51 reissue. However I have recently purchased a Parker Centennial Big Red and just days ago could pass up the Pelikan M805 Blue Dunez on sale at Goulet. Alas, some things are best kept from my wife of 38 years.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Shhhh! 'Nuff said.

[@FountainPenJourney]

I too love the smell of napalm in the morning! 😀 And another Parker 51 homage... I’ll be getting one, and also now one of these Jinhao pens! Thanks, Doug 👍

[@InkquiringMinds]

Thanks, FPJ! :)

[@ccahua]

Thank you for the extensive research and experimentation! It looked like wrestling a gator and you gave it more than the college try :-)

[@InkquiringMinds]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@edwardwiper1323]

Great & entertaining video as per usual Doug & i shamefully had to laugh at your attempt to remove the hooded section(boiling water is a no no).I have found this out to my cost in the past,you have to soak,soak & keep soaking.I've ordered one by the way with a 0.80mm nib so will let you know how i get on when i have inked it up.Once again cheers Doug.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Thanks 👍 I took some advice about boiling water for 8 minutes working with a Hero 100 hood. I don't want to repeat that again so I'll only work with hoods that are designed to open. LOL

[@somnathsikdar6657]

Thanks for the review. I have this pen with a fude nib and it works well. I ordered two more of these with their usual EF nibs as I expected the internal design to be similar to the Jinhao 51. I would have attempted to open their hoods and replaced the nibs. It's really disappointing to know that you can't.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Thanks for sharing! I'm glad to hear they fude is an option. I still wouldn't recommend this pen over a WS601 or Jinhao 51a.

[@CosminMiron]

Thanks for the experiment and for the review...you should get at least 1 buck from every viewer for that info....Let's say you took one for the team, and I alone for sure appreciate that! Thank you again! 🎩

[@InkquiringMinds]

Thanks for that! $10 isn't much for what became quite an adventure!

[@TweakMDS]

Not a pen for me, but I've once again enjoyed you taking the bullet to test something out. Thanks for that. The Bobby bent nib is interesting. I was going through my pen case last week, and found a nearly forgotten Wing Sung 618 (fully clear demonstrator version) that has the same uninteresting nib. That fine nib, almost infuriatingly, is very consistent, but it just doesn't give me a good writing enjoyment. On Bobby's etsy store I see a 0.5-0.8mm as well as a 0.6-1.2mm. Being a medium/stub nib kind of guy, I'm tempted to go with the bigger one, but I have no experience with bent nibs. I know some are intended more for drawing than for "normal writing"... Which one would you recommend? A new nib might turn the 618 back into rotation, since it's essentially a very nice piston filler, but the boring fine nib. Edit: I just found chrisrap52 did a comparison, great sommunity effort it seems ^^

[@InkquiringMinds]

Bobby has a listing where you can get the variety of those nibs I think. I got the .5-.8 mm version. It is VERY similar to a Penbbs Fine mini-fude type nib. The .6-1.2mm nib is more like a traditional fude nib which can get very fat and thick.

[@MrAndrew1953]

Doug you are definitely taking things to a new level re nib interchangeability the manufacturer never contemplated. That’s probably why they glued the nib in. Every manufacturer is now working out how to make their pens Doug proof. Keep testing them I say.

[@InkquiringMinds]

LOL Jinhao must be run by Apple; they hate when users look under the hood.

[@miker5502]

“ I promise not to crush it or boil it!” Cracked me up…ordered the Wing Sung 601 in Stainless Steel with the fude nibs after watching..lol. Cheers 🥂 MikeR.

[@InkquiringMinds]

I use that damned WS601 "Flighter" every single day. When I'm doing measurements of the various pens, I use the WS to jot down the notes as it can be left uncapped indefinitely without drying out.

[@richardc6932]

Looks like the best things coming out of China these days are adhesives. Boil resistant!

[@InkquiringMinds]

They are! It is like they made this one at an Apple factory since Apple never want users to look under the hood.

[@ichirofakename]

1. I came very near to doing similar damage to my Kaweco Frosted Sport. I was trying to unscrew the nib unit from the section for use in a TiLiner. But it isn't screwed in at all, it's glued in. Lucky for me, OdE had a video on Kaweco nib swapping that straightened me out. 2. That Wing Sung 601 all stainless steel takes my breath away every time I see it. What does "flighter" (sp?) mean?

[@InkquiringMinds]

Hey Fakedude. "Flighter" is a name that Parker gave to their all stainless steel versions of the 51, 61, 45, 75 etc. It was to suggest the space age and jet fighters; hence "flighter".

[@edisontrent5244]

Disappointing, I was thinking about the bright blue one. Thanks for the review Doug! Would you be willing to share your hat retailer?

[@InkquiringMinds]

Hey Edison! My favourite hat has a label that says "Wind River by Bailey made in the USA" and is called "Little Felt". It is looking beaten up, but by far, my favourite hat. I got it at Lammles in Calgary during the Calgary Stampede several years ago. It was the only one in the store which had 1000's of hats. www.lammles.com/

[@edisontrent5244]

@@InkquiringMinds Thanks Doug! Ones life is not complete without a good hat and a worthy writing instrument!

[@williamyuen7139]

This video is a lot of fun. Obviously the pen is not. BTW, is it me or you played quite a few Jim Croce songs lately? I love all of them. Thanks so much.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Thanks, William! I'm using two Croce intros alternately. It is way too much work to make a new musical intro for every video and I want to demonstrate at the beginning of my videos that my fingernails are there for guitar playing.

[@coachperry6123]

Professor Doug, I do love the look of hooded nibs, not sure why. I own a gold Parker 61 passed down by a family member to me on his passing, my first fountain pen. Loved the don't try this at home section, I only wish you had chosen any clip with Jamie Lee Curtis from a Fish Called Wanda

[@InkquiringMinds]

I have used cutaways of Jamie Lee from AFCW where Cleese speaks Italian and she melts. :)

[@alexuny]

I bought a few these this past month (very cheap, ± 3$/unit), two funny 86 on orange and khaki/mustard, one 86 "flighter" or brushed stainless steel (nicely on hand)... and the stainless 911 for 2$. All works correct to fine. Not bad. But sincerelly... I prefer the 911 so much. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@modusodus]

A thoroughly entertaining review, as ever. Although - I thought this pen was a steal! I've been using the red version daily for about a month & the nib has a glossy feel on paper that makes it pretty nice to use. The plastic body has quite a pleasing smoothness, and its extra length is fantastically comfortable & has left me hoping it begins a trend. The cap was the only thing that disappointed me - its material feels light and cheap & out of step with that in the rest of the pen.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Thanks for sharing!

[@ovebjornson7846]

I met the same section challenge. I soaked my section overnight, and it all came apart. I had the advantage of using a Vacumatic wrench on the threads - the large one. Boiling water can get a bit rich on most plastics, 80 celsius is more suitable. I hope I'm not too patronizing, I do have a couple of decades pen-repair experience, and a few ruined pens to prove it. Never give up! Interesting to learn the similarities between the 51 "reissue" and the Jinhao 85.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Are you telling me you got the Jinhao 85 hood OFF? Wow, good for you! That makes some sense to me that 80C might be better than 100C. Did you heat the water to 80C put the section in and then just let it sit in cooling water overnight? I'm just interested because, even though I've destroyed this 85, I don't like being defeated! LOL

[@ovebjornson7846]

@@InkquiringMinds I soaked the section in room temperature, it could have been for 24 h. I then dipped it in warm 70-80 C for short periods - 1 minute - and tried to unscrew the parts. At some point the adhesive gave up and the thing came apart. I might have been lucky, but repeated heat/long soaking- sessions often does the trick. Like you, I use Bobbys replacement nibs for all 51 my clones.

[@InkquiringMinds]

@@ovebjornson7846 That's really cool, I mean hot, I mean warm! Thanks!

[@goofygame]

Thanks for the great information. I am also sad because this pen cannot be disassembled. Is your finger hurt?

[@InkquiringMinds]

It was an ordeal and my digits did get a bit damaged in the process. LOL

[@goofygame]

@@InkquiringMinds ouch!😂

[@oscarmedina1597]

Prior to watching this video, I was not interested in this pen, and you’ve succeeded in keeping it that way. But now, damn it, I want the Wing Sun 601 Flighter. Damn you, Doug, and you super interesting videos.

[@InkquiringMinds]

I adore my flighter now. It is beside my keyboard every day. I never thought I'd enjoy a slick metal pen!

[@TheNightowl001]

@@InkquiringMinds Where to get it? With the steel section?

[@InkquiringMinds]

@@TheNightowl001 I bought the pen and the upgrade steel hood and nib at Bobby's Etsy shop ChinesePen.

[@cynthiarichter792]

If you could only buy one Jinhao fountain pen, which would you buy? Just wondering. Nice comparison video.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Jinhao 159

[@reillyi7607]

I just went through this with a Jinhao 51a in acrylic. Metal section was glued to the hood. Boiled it, almost went crazy trying to get it off. Eventually decided the time and effort was not worth the pen. But an hour later, on a whim, I gripped it with a rubber glove, twisted and it came off! I have Bobby nibs coming, so that ones a success story. But I will never go through that again with one of these.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Thank you, Reilly I!

[@Raul1971xxx]

The Coyote from Looney Tunes would try to unhood that Jinhao with a cartridge of dynamite... 😄😄😂😂

[@fountainpencollection8337]

I seen that jinhao 85 fully made in Stainless Steel with chrome trims, has appeared on the Aliexpress, and i bought one yesterday , it's about 5 $ with all !

[@InkquiringMinds]

I still don't think it is worth that much.

[@w.j.m.91]

Great review. As for the pen I rather liked mine - I mean, for $7 I gave for it there's nothing wrong with it. The nib on mine is very smooth and wet for a XF. If you like the aesthetic, XF nib and don't mind that it doesn't post, I'd say it's an OK pen. But as a remake of the 51 it kinda sucks. WS601 is 51 closest successor. If Parker went to Wing Sung rather than Jinhao and commission a bunch of 601s with a Parker logo then... we would get a horribly overpriced version of the 601, but likely more of a 51 than the actual 2021 51. Anyway I've seen one review of the new 51 on YT (unfortunately for most people here - in Polish). The author states that the 51 is made of precious resin (unlike the Jinhao which is metal). Also it seems that the Parker posts better than Jinhao.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Now that I have a Bobby bent nib in the pen and it writes nicely, I might actually have used it. But because the cap doesn't post, using it unposted with this type of pen is just weird. So it will be uninked today.

[@chrisrap52]

For a while, I thought you were making nib soup. Reddit suggestion, say no more. Maybe OK for stocks. I bought one, with wood barrel. In your 601 variants, need to show the one with a No. 5 nib. That's easy to swap. I've been suspect of the many "Chinese" pens marketed as "from elsewhere". I guess those uneducated buyers are Ok with that. Thanks for taking a bullet for those of us who may think, "I'll replace that nib." Maybe my 85 section will unscrew, we know how these mass-produced items vary. Soldier on into unchartered territory. Sharing success & failure.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Thanks, Chris!

[@fountainpencollection8337]

Well i think i will buy one with wood barrel , the nib it's not a problem for me but if I want to replace it I will go with the fingernails clipper method ! :) I think i will buy a Parker 51 (2021 ), probably around summer for now I have other pens in line . :) From what I understand JinHao ( well the company behind the brands JinHao and Baoer ) does not produce the pens they just assemble those pens the pen parts are produced here and there , mostly by Hero . Hero also makes the Wing Sung 601 , 618 , 698 , 699 and the other 6XX series pens, for the company behind Wing Sung 6XX series and that company it's ( Green ), the design for those pens and the base materials are provided by Green !

[@InkquiringMinds]

Fascinating information! Thank you so much!

[@neilpiper9889]

I am using a Soyuz 65, a Soviet 51 gold cap teal body fountain pen. with a proper built in twist filler. The nib is perfect. Gold, and flexi. A pull off cap. A sword shaped clip. Seele has a review on a couple of Soyuz.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Cool! I've never heard of that model. Sounds like a space craft.

[@MARIANUS2187]

Well,I think the Hero100 looks like Parker 61more. Their nibs and pen rods are very similar.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Except for the fact that is has a non-arrow clip and doesn't have the Parker 61 inlaid arrow on the section.

[@siyuanxu3537]

Really like the "DDtaHome" part, nice. I thought at first the JH85 is a copy of the new P51, but after I compared spme photos I have this feeling that might they look similar the section and the feed/nib are different (please correct me if I am wrong, but they look different). I almost preordered the new P51 but read some negative preview so I hesitated in the end. I will definitivly try the JH85. WS601 I have 3 of them, really love them. Thanks for the video. Best regard.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Thanks! The feed and nib might be different because the Parker COULD be made in France AND it has a 14k gold nib. The J85 might be the same pen as the steel P51 reissue which is made in China.

[@siyuanxu3537]

@@InkquiringMinds As I found out in an article in Nov. The feed mechanism of the JH85 is basically the same as the Jinhao 51 (the writer has disassembled both pens and put compare photos there). Just for the Information should anybody interested.

[@InkquiringMinds]

@@siyuanxu3537 Do you have a link for that article?

[@siyuanxu3537]

@@InkquiringMinds it is on a Chinese website in Chinese, if You want, I can sent it to You per Email. (Can I sent You PM here on youtube? Is there this function at all?)

[@InkquiringMinds]

@@siyuanxu3537 Yes, please. Send it to [e-mail]

[@i.c.3157]

Instead of going through the hassle of taking the section apart, a nail clipper or scissor can be used to grip onto the nib and wiggle it out for easy swap. As for the pen, I do enjoy the caps design an the screw off cap as the usual slide on caps always feel like they either have too much resistance or not enough so that change doesn't bother me. The lack of posting could be a downside to some but I don't really mind however it's a shame that it only comes in gold trim and that ugly parker style clip so I'll skip on it and stick with my Jinhao 911.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Thanks IC. I had wondered about pulling the nib from the front like others do. Now that I've wrecked it, I'm going to see if it actually works.

[@rafaelpapp]

I believe you can pull out the nib without dissassembly the section.

[@InkquiringMinds]

I had that in the back of my mind, but since I have nothing to replace it with, I didn't want to try. My nibs for the 601 don't look like they'd just slide in.

[@reinulf656]

Exactly. there is even a video on KZbin by Bobby showing how to do that with a pair of scissors on a 51a.

[@rafaelpapp]

You are right kzbin.info/www/bejne/b6Cwc5uCqJWqb6M

[@anniebus105]

Well, capped, it's a nice looking pen for $10. Other than that, well...it might be fun Frankenstein/customize a pen just for the heck of it, right? Thanks, Doug. Stay safe and healthy.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Now it has the mini-fude, it writes much better. Still...

[@MrAndrew1953]

It would be good if Parker released one of those commemorative pen sets.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Don't hold your breath!

[@robertreid7221]

Douglas Von Rathbun, the Butcher of Calgary. Shame I say, shame on you sir 🤣🤣🤣, but as you say Inkquiring minds want to know ? Great video Doug. I think I may very well buy a Jinhao 85 and trust an unmangled section will not skip ✌❤ Rob

[@InkquiringMinds]

LMAO Thanks Robert! I've heard others say their Jinhao 85s write well. I'm sure the ink collector in mine is now damaged. I still think a Jinhao 51a is a superior pen to this one.

[@nancymilawski1048]

Unpackaging works for all package types. I thought most Jinhao nibs were easy to swap out?? I bought a Vector in late 2019and and it is marked made in France. I have a jinhao 250, 450 , 750 , and 159 and none of them post well. I'm hoping the 997? I have on order will post nicely. Why do I care about posting? It's essential to keeping the nib from drying out. Very important for functionality of the pen and I want to not lose it. So I usually post the cap. Especially when I'm using these at work in a factory.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Good points on posting!

[@AdamGarrett72]

My Jotter Fountain Pen indicated Made in France on the package.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Was it made before 2010? I have a Jotter ballpoint from 1954 made in the US.

[@AdamGarrett72]

@@InkquiringMinds Off the shelf from Office Depot 2 years ago

[@InkquiringMinds]

@@AdamGarrett72 Interesting. It was the Wikipedia page that said the manufacture of the listen models were shifted to Shanghai in 2010.

[@nestorred]

Is the new 51 part of a new Pen-demic?

[@InkquiringMinds]

Oh I hope not!

[@arthurclef4339]

Actually some false information leaked into this video :D, it's true that for 95% percents of Chinese made hooded-nib pens comes with hood glued on and can be unglued as said in the vid, 4.9% percent comes with screw mounted hood, which is exclusive to recently designed and made ones. But Hero 100, is the one and only of the millions of Chinese made hooded nib pens that's both NOT glued on nor screwed on. It uses a inserted piece that screwed into the hood to hold the internal mechanism in place(from the reservoir side) that requires a proprietary tool to assemble or dissemble. EDIT: this vid is old and I guess you already knew that, but 99% of Chinese made hooded nib pens doesn't require dissemble the hood to replace the nib. You can simply use a pair of pliers to pull the nib out from the front if you don't mind damage the stock nib. And again Hero 100 is the sole exception that which nib can't be directly pulled out. Hero 100 nibs comes with a hook that keeps it inside, and only through dissemble the hood and take out the internal mechanism can it be swapped.

[@ciochinabogdanvasile]

I have and love my jinhao y6 open nib, Jinhao 159 jinhao 886, Dikawen 889 , Parker Jotter fountain pen and vector, the hooded nib ones are more ok for quick writeing ar the university. Pens for me are slippery +with a fountain pen i have more control, my disability affects my writing. For me hooded nib fountain pens are the perfect combo, a Ball Point mixed with a fountain pen

[@InkquiringMinds]

They are indeed very useful. That's why the Parker 51 was such a huge revolution in writing back in 1941!

[@ciochinabogdanvasile]

@@InkquiringMinds mai ibasc you if you can find the model of the fountain pen în this vid kzbin.info/www/bejne/fn2lqYB7ncdogdk all i know is that is made by wing Sung under their yong sheng brand

[@InkquiringMinds]

@@ciochinabogdanvasile I've never seen anything like that before!

[@ciochinabogdanvasile]

@@InkquiringMinds i baught it from a supermarket 🛒, later i foud out yong sheng is a wing sung brand, writes smooth, medium. Love it except the juel on the cap

[@glennkelley6096]

Aurora Duo-cart ?

[@InkquiringMinds]

Doesn't the Aurora Duo Cart have a slip cap and a flat barrel end?

[@Vermiliontea]

That was painful to watch. It is maybe not applicable to this case, but seeing how you work... here's a tip: When you're faced with the problem of unscrewing pen parts, stuck together, from each other, be it section, finial, whatever, - do not use pliers! Do not use any kind of pliers, be they have cylindrical rubber jaws whatever! When you're using a plier - or your finger grip for that matter - close to the thread or on top of the thread, you increase the locking power of the thread, because of the pressure. Here's what you want to do instead: Make sure the pen is clean and dry. Wash it with soap of some kind to get any grease off. Then you take a roll of fresh tape. You want the common, non-elastic, clear acetate, thin office tape, like Scotch. Make sure the end of the tape is very fresh and untouched on the sticky side. Cut the end, don't tear it. Start winding the tape around the part that is hard to grip, as close to the parting as possible. Wind it on firmly, no slack except for compensating for conical shape, no bubbles. But - this is important - in the SAME DIRECTION THAT YOU WANT TO UNSCREW THE PART! Just continue patiently to wind the tape firmly around the pen part. This way you will get a small tape roll around the pen. Often, the part will come loose even before you're finished or try to twist it, just from the torque of firmly winding on the tape. How does this work? The tape grips the part with a perfectly circular, compression grip, without deforming it or cause any locking spots of pressure. At the same time the diameter - and thus the torque - increases as you build up the tape. When the diameter is twice or thrice the diameter of the pen part, it's usually easy to unscrew it, completely undamaged, with your fingers gripping lightly around the tape. You're then left with the boring task of unwinding the tape from the part. But hey, in my experience, you usually do that with a big smile on your face. You also tend to not care about having to throw away that used tape.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Thank you for this.

[@rafaelpapp]

You can buy the Jinhao 85 with a fude nib.

[@InkquiringMinds]

That's cool! I didn't see that. The Jinhao 51a is still a far better pen.

[@kindface]

Was that really you singing Groce's classic?

[@InkquiringMinds]

Yes indeed! 'Twas moi!

[@kindface]

@@InkquiringMinds Good for you! 👍🏽💪🏼 Good voice too! Maybe a few James Taylors for future review intros too?

[@InkquiringMinds]

@@kindface Thanks so much! Like this? soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11882570

[@kindface]

@@InkquiringMinds Whoa, that's a pro! What are you doing mucking around with pens, Doug? Yup, that's the Taylor I could listen to all day. Love his brother Livingston's stuff too. Keep up the good work, Doug!

[@InkquiringMinds]

@@kindface Thank you! My music videos get copyright strikes on KZbin and get a tenth of the views of my pen videos anyway!

[@TheRealOfficialGator]

If you are willing to boil your pen to get the nib out you might as well just get a nutcracker and commit to getting that nib out because now Im curious too 😂

[@InkquiringMinds]

The hood is epoxy glued on to the Jinhao 85. There is no removing it. However, I did use a nailclipper to pull the nib and replaced it with a bent nib instead. I still don't like the pen itself.

[@SuperJohnnykay]

Find everything you dont have in the classic 51 and make a shocker of a steel nib pen that handles like a brick and writes like a nail

[@InkquiringMinds]

Thank you, John Kyneur!

[@JoelTurrell]

I think the Parker 51 is an acquired taste, like eating raw oysters. In my own case, I sat upright in bed one winter's night, and went to my desktop computer and started shopping. Within a week, I had found one I could afford. Today I have several, including the all gold Signet. I have tried clones from Hero (2 different eras), Wing Sung, WingSung, and everybody but Sanford and Son. I even have a couple Aurora 88s.None of them touches the genuine Parker. I personally prefer the Aerometrics to the Vacumatics, on repair grounds. I'll pass on the current round of reissues; it'll be easier on my blood pressure.

[@InkquiringMinds]

I love the ergonomics of the original Parker 51 although not the nib - too stiff and uniform. That's why I love this bent nib option so much - lots of character. If you are dreaming about pens and then get up and go to your computer to pen shop... do we need to do an intervention with you Joel?

[@JoelTurrell]

Hmmmm.

[@archivist17]

Great review. The Parker 51 is iconic, and has several notable features which made it the prophet of the future (all of which are absent from the new version). It's as if the Parker developers and designers have not one scrap of the courage of their forebears, and instead produce a lame excuse for a classic in uninspiring, cheap-looking finishes, with a half-hooded nib, and a SCREW CAP, for goodness' sake! I don't like the 51 particularly, but I do feel sorry for it after the insult perpetrated by Parker, and I fear for what abomination they might produce to cash in on (sorry, 'honour') the 45, which I am fond of.

[@InkquiringMinds]

I'm looking forward to seeing what they've done to the new reissue Parker Duofold Centennial they just announced.

[@archivist17]

@@InkquiringMinds *Peeks warily from behind sofa...

[@InkquiringMinds]

@@archivist17 IKR? LOL

[@hrnekbezucha]

Just fyi, there is a model of Hero 616, called "Jumbo" or "Doctor," and it is 1:1 clone of the Parker 51. Except of course, build quality.

[@InkquiringMinds]

I think I've seen that somewhere before! It would be a fixed aerometric filler as well I guess?

[@hrnekbezucha]

@@InkquiringMinds Yes, it is! I kinda wish there was a well-built clone with the aerometric filler. This filling system gets a lot of well justified hate but I have a strange fondness for it. Note: I had several Hero pens and was happy with exactly zero of them. I don't have high standards, they're just not worth they few bucks. The 616 Jumbo is the best of them and it's still nowhere near the build quality of something like the Jinhao 51a base version.

[@ciochinabogdanvasile]

What about jinhao 991 and jinhao 51a?

[@benhauber1979]

I think he did the 51a a while back. One of my cheapest and yet one of my favorite pens. Smooth wet writer.

[@ciochinabogdanvasile]

@@benhauber1979 i own both 51a and jinhao 991. I think he reviewed 51a open nib

[@benhauber1979]

@@ciochinabogdanvasile Right, that's the one I have, too. I just don't like the look of hooded nibs. I don't own any.

[@MechFrankaTLieu]

The Jinhao 991 is downright copy of the Hero 339 model ( 2nd version ) and the 51a is IMHO more user friendly , the hot water bath method work on the 51a quite well , Ive swap in different nibs onto my hooded nib 51a. The open nib version obvious need not that.

[@ciochinabogdanvasile]

@@benhauber1979 i personalul prefere a hooded nib for some quick writeing, for example. at university

[@coreyjs55]

I just got this, a Jinhao 86, and the new Parker 51. I'm pretty disappointed with the new Parker, I got it at a good discount, about $55 cad plus tax. it should be down at the price of a metropolitan. it has the same nib as the Jotter, I've got two of those and of the three of them none has a good nib. I don't have a vintage 51, but if a Jinhao 51a is the same length then the new 51 is quite a bit shorter when unposted. it's about the same length as my vintage 51 Demi, which was the smaller size version. the problem with that is the pen has metal cap threads, it doesn't post as deeply as the vintage pen but it is secure, but the threads mark up the barrel which makes me not want to post it, and then it's too short... one thing I do like, the material thins out where it goes over the nib and the light shines through to give it a nice chatoyance which looks really cool in the burgundy colour I have. overall, if someone wants a parker 51 with a screw cap, go with the Jinhao 86, plastic body and plastic cap threads that let it post a bit deeper than the 85, and it's only a couple of bucks.

[@InkquiringMinds]

100%!!

[@Knoize1]

OMG Gibson ... Acoustic... beef & fat sound

[@benhauber1979]

That's persistence!

[@InkquiringMinds]

That didn't pay off in this case! LOL

[@jorge23483]

I'm finding this jinhao more Parker 51 alike than this 2021 "relaunch". Anyway, thanks for the video Doug. Those dislikes in that videos are medals of honor 😂👍.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Right on! Thanks Jorge! Each click counts, up or down! LOL

[@jorge23483]

@@InkquiringMinds It bummed me that the "new 51" is screw capped, because it looks like it won't post as comfortably as my 51... oh well, I just need to find other pen as a self-present for my birthday on April. Thank you again for the video Doug. May you and your loved ones stay safe and healthy 👍.

[@InkquiringMinds]

@@jorge23483 Thanks, Jorge! My birthday is in April too!

[@Adriel-ze6lw]

Parker Clone Wars: A Netlix Series

[@InkquiringMinds]

LOL. A new episode to come: The Return of the Duofold Centennial!

[@amyr.862]

You tortured that pen like a 16th century woman that had the audacity to live alone, ran an herbal remedy side hustle and owned a cat 🤣

[@InkquiringMinds]

Okay.. wha??? LOL

[@amyr.862]

@@InkquiringMinds Like an accused witch on trial Doug, a witch 🙃

[@ciochinabogdanvasile]

Even dp collection s Romanian brand rebrand from jinhao and baoer. Jinhao has pens rebranded by westerners

[@InkquiringMinds]

Many of these Chinese brands are OEM pen makers for Western brands (Hong Dian being the latest example of their own brand going public after decades of building for others)

[@thuntz29]

Omg!! XD 🤣 they already copied it?? I have a Wing Sung 601 that I love the look of but hate the nib! Bought another one thinking I got a dud and it was the same... 😢 I need another one nib. Might give a visit to Bobby

[@InkquiringMinds]

If you like a wet, .5mm line with some character, then you'll like the Bobby mini-fude nib. I have a video on the WS618 where I show how to change the nib. And, in my opinion, Jinhao didn't copy the design of the Parker 51 reissue, Jinhao are making (or were making) the reissue Parker 51 for Parker.

[@thuntz29]

@@InkquiringMinds Jajajaja but but.. that means they broke contract? Or Parker dropped the design? I don’t get it. Btw have you tried the 601A with the snorkel tip? I really like the look of that but I don’t want to fight the nib

[@InkquiringMinds]

@@thuntz29 Yes I've reviewed one of those and it is my wife's favourite pen. As to Parker / Jinhao, my inside source says Jinhao could be making the steel versions and Parker France making the gold nib versions.

[@MrAndrew1953]

I promise I won't buy a Jinhao 85 and boil it alive like a lobster bisque. The new 51 is girthier than the jinhao 85 and the original 51. I will get a teal steel Parker 51. Interested to see how it compares to my Carene.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Apparently, I'm not supposed to boil it (100 degrees C) I'm supposed to almost boil it (80 degrees C). I'm no cook.

[@darkchocolate4643]

You boiled the crap out of it several times and mangled it with pliers and it still writes? I'll take two!

[@InkquiringMinds]

Yeah! And now with the new dude nib, it writes with character. The Jinhao 51a is still the better pen.

[@thatfluffeebunneh]

I don't like needle nibs and I don't like pens I can't disassemble. Pass! Thanks for your pen sacrifice :)

[@InkquiringMinds]

My pleasure!

[@explorerextraordinaire5472]

:D ❤️❤️👍❤️❤️

[@InkquiringMinds]

❤️

[@archivist17]

"Do not fold, spindle or mutilate..."

[@InkquiringMinds]

Too late!

[@davidmcguigan5497]

The horror...the horror. Maybe, someone would be interested in adopting a rescue pen. You have me starting to wonder if I was made in China. Joost seems like a nice guy and if he sells a lot of new Parker 51s, it's ok with me, but I will pass. Xiexie!

[@InkquiringMinds]

Were your parents missionaries or something? Or were you assembled from after-market parts? ;)

[@wendyholiday2021]

Thank you for the copious review. Love your work..not the pen.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Glad you like it!

[@davyj5216]

Funny how people go all self--righteous about Chinese makers copying designs but also go all ignorant to Western brands that have done the same.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Precisely!

[@k.manikantantirumulpad4865]

Mr. Indi, these Chinese are obsessed with American prototypes( whether its a pen or an aircraft). 😁😁😁😁 Most probably there would be a person dressing like you and reviewing pens in Chinese KZbin 😂😂😂

[@InkquiringMinds]

Now THAT I'd pay real money to see! LOL

[@igorsova]

Damaging the pen and then complaining about it???!! LOL

[@chiefsquattingbull7624]

Never like 'hooded nibs'.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Me neither until I got a Bobby bent nib on my WS601 Flighter

[@ShahriarFarkhan]

Doug, These idiots couldn't rebadge a Wing Sung 601, a far superior pen that costs $20 retail... It's a much better 51 clone and in some ways (ink window) improves on the design... So absurdly stupid.

[@InkquiringMinds]

Yeah but who are the idiots in question? Jinhao or Parker who give Jinhao the design for them to build?

[@ShahriarFarkhan]

@@InkquiringMinds Parker, Jinhao makes pens for other companies and they have screwed them as well. You make business with dishonest companies, this is what you get. The incredible thing is Parker is charging $100+ for this turd... I wonder who’s making their new $1k duofold 😉🤣

[@InkquiringMinds]

@@ShahriarFarkhan Since the current Duofold is made in France, I would expect the new one to be made there as well.

[@ShahriarFarkhan]

@@InkquiringMinds I hope so... We also expected a good Parker 51, not a $15 Jinhao rebadged as a $100+ pen 😂

[@animula6908]

The Jinhao is so ugly it makes me want to switch to felt tip pen collecting. It would have to write like a montblanc and be willing to wear a bag over it’s head to be allowed to hang around with me.

[@InkquiringMinds]

LOL

[@diotriton2]

Beautiful channel, but too many interruptions with movie and cartoon...

[@InkquiringMinds]

My apologies. It won't happen again.