Jinjer Vortex: Shocked Band Teacher's Reaction!

Band Teacher Reacts to Jinjer Wallflower
"Vortex" is a powerful and relentless metal track by the Ukrainian band Jinjer, showcasing their signature blend of progressive and groove elements. With Tatiana Shmailyuk's fierce growls and captivating vocal range, the song takes listeners on an intense sonic journey that combines technical prowess with emotional depth, making it a standout in the modern metal scene.
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[@bobcieslinski]

What a great song and a mind blower with the music, singing and visuals. Let me know your thoughts. Buy Jinjer Music Here: apple.co/3TErMlW Support the channel here: bobcieslinski.myspreadshop.com/ Join Channel Membership: bit.ly/BobCieslinskimembership More Jinjer Reactions: bit.ly/JinjerReactions Top Reaction Videos: bit.ly/TopReactions Check out these Select Reactions: bit.ly/SelectReactions Buy Apple Music Subscription Here: apple.co/3xl0Ey6

[@palladinodessa8988]

The talent all 4 of them have is special - to have them all play together is exceptional! The way they can play together towards their intentions, have it be seamless, and still unconventional is the draw. I have seen them live 3 times and just can't wait for the next time! 🤘🤘

[@bobcieslinski]

They would be so incredible to see live. I’ll go thr next time they come through my area. Such talented people.

[@palladinodessa8988]

@@bobcieslinski You will not be disappointed. Jinjer is that band, the one I just get excited for, I watch in awe. They are also that band that you can just listen to live in front of you and no matter who you focus on, you can hear their part in the concert of music coming at you. Vlad is impeccable, Roman just makes it look effortless, and Eugene jams while missing not a note. Then you fix on Tati and really see how talented she is as she transitions and looks like a 16 year old just having so much fun.

[@notimportant3686]

@@bobcieslinski ive seen them 4 times so far and it was excellent...

[@steflevieuxcriss]

@@bobcieslinski Saw them live in Sepramber in Montreal. I"ve been waiting for this for a few years, got blown off... GOOD FUCKING MUSICIANS

[@Jinjer13]

I heard and read this in the last few years: What is crazy is that they've said that the guys compose the music first, then they give demos to Tatiana she finds inspiration for title and lyrics, and weaves her vocal composition into the guys' music. The guys have said they don't know what Tatiana is going to sing about until she shows up in the studio, and she's said that "they don't even ask me" about what the music should be. How that works so seamlessly is beyond me... thanx a lot for another great reaction on a great, great song, warm greetings from a german musician

[@bobcieslinski]

Hey nice to hear from you again. That totally blows me away. I feel like it usually works with lyrics first then the music to back it up. What a unique way of arranging and composing. It’s always amazing too!

[@j.f.fisher5318]

Eugene who is also the manager says they don't know what Tatiana is going to sing until they get to the studio. Tati has said "they don't even ask me" though she has a standing request for more reggae and they'll extend a part if she needs to get more lyrics in. I think they've gotta be composing with some idea that there has to be room for lyrics, but also Tatiana loves improvisation and with the Macro album that was composed with severe time constraints Eugene said she just came with lyrics and improvised the vocal composition. I feel like the emphasis on the musical composition first helps balance the creative input between Tatiana and the guys. Also, constraints can be a good spur for creativity, and since any of the guys can take the lead in composing a piece there's a lot of different inputs into the creative process and different musical ideas for Tati to use as a starting point for her work.

[@hemlock399]

I think what amazes me the most about the way they compose is just how well Tatiana manages to create vocal lines to rhythmically, harmonically and melodically fit with such rhythmically, harmonically and melodically complex and unconventional music.

[@nickmoutos8308]

I've heard the same thing in several different interviews over the years. Not being a singer or musician, it sounds like a somewhat unorthodox way to write songs/music, but for them it just works beautifully! I saw a recent interview where the band is talking about their next album and Eugene was talking about how they Vladi and the guys compose the music and make the demos for Tati. He made it a point to say that with a vocalist like Tati who is able to sing multiple styles and vocal ranges, they don't have to restrict themselves in the music they compose. I thought that was a tremendous compliment and something that must certainly set them apart from almost any other band.

[@christerfurberg6538]

Not only that, apparently she writes the lyrics in Russian first, and then translates them to English! And somehow, she makes the rhythm and rhymes fit. She has said herself that she doesn't quite know how she does it.

[@Robertsmith-dy3sh]

I love how they completely ignore the standard verse/chorus/verse song structure and just take you on a journey! Jinjer doing Jinjer things!

[@PaleHorseShabuShabu]

The song feels like a tornado spinning up. It starts off fairly calm but progresses into it namesake and takes us for a ride. What a ride it is, too!

[@bobcieslinski]

Sure is.

[@1dognight166]

The band being from Ukraine, glad to see them well . Heard how a few band members were stuck there when the war started. Soo glad there well.

[@bobcieslinski]

Me too.

[@capstan50g]

There's so much musical talent in this band. Their ensemble play always impresses, and the songwriting itself blends intricacy with anthemic motifs, with Tati's extreme vocals providing a wonderful seasoning. I love Jinjer. Great reaction, Bob.

[@bobcieslinski]

Thanks so much! They are amazing musicians. They blow me away every time.

[@coder4liberty]

This song is basically about the idea of thoughts and worries weighing you down and sucking you into a mental vortex. There is another complex song of theirs you might like for the same reason called Homeback.

[@bobcieslinski]

Thanks I appreciate it.

[@Friskee62]

JINJER, my all time favorite band. They are the BEST in the business...got to see them Aug. 12 in Syracuse, NY. Great sound. Tati has the best 'stage presence'. The players are at the TOP of their game...

[@bobcieslinski]

Wow you are lucky you got to see them. I’ll try next time they come. Such a fantastic and talented group.

[@rongray9858]

When too much negative energy gets in, chaos is imminent. It is hard to get that positive groove back.

[@spiderbass65]

Vlad has a great drum playtrough of this, and so does Eugene on bass. Even more impressive when you see them up close.

[@bobcieslinski]

I’ll check it out spiderbass.

[@ralphwiggum6385]

​@@bobcieslinskiPlease do! 👍😎🤘🇨🇦

[@davidjames6036]

Interesting time signatures = Jinjer's whole discog 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Jinjer - Perennial (Live at Wacken 2019) Jinjer - Pit of Consciousness (Live in Kiev) Jinjer - Pisces (Live Session) Jinjer - On The Top (Live in Kiev) Jinjer - Who Is Gonna Be The One (Official Live) Jinjer - Judgement & Punishment (Tatiana One Take Vocal) Jinjer - Teacher Teacher (Official Video) Jinjer - Captain Clock (Live at Resurrection Fest 2018)

[@bobcieslinski]

Thanks!

[@chriso6719]

Hey Bob. My favorite song from the Wallflowers album. Love how low Tatiana gets near the end. She has said that the song is dedicated to everyone like her, that spends so much time thinking about their inner world, they start to be consumed by the dark thoughts. And says not to dive so deeply. I agree , Vlad is awesome, glad he has solidified the position. They had 4 other drummers in the 7 years before he joined in 2016.

[@bobcieslinski]

Hey Chris! Man this band is something else. They are just some amazing amazing musicians. Such an interesting and awesome sound.

[@PRC533]

I absolutely love the groove in this song. It really hilights the close connection between jazz, rock and metal.

[@bobcieslinski]

That's a great point. There isn't much difference and the really great bands all seem to have that Jazz background with at least a few of their musicians.

[@ryanrivers1259]

His ghost hits are unbelievable

[@DJ-qi4zz]

I could listen to you talk for hours ❤

[@bobcieslinski]

Thanks I appreciate it.

[@digitalmouse3314]

Yeah I seen them live this song sent the mosh pit insane, its was crazy I was in the middle huge pit too. Highly reccomend its a sight to se even if you don't go in the energy is just electric.

[@digitalmouse3314]

Oh yeah tatiana writes the lyrics after and matches the lyrics to the music then translates from Ukraine then to English.

[@hiawatha.g]

I agree re. Vlad. He is mind-blowing. They all are.

[@bobcieslinski]

For sure

[@TomClark-Futoura]

Some people (reactors, too... they're people, right? ;-) think what they're seeing is a swirling vortex from space or something with some kind of awesome trash monster game-like character, when what they're actually witnessing is the brutal place that is Tatiana's troubled inner psyche of uncontrollable thoughts and emotions. Tati is such a complex, dichotomy of a richly talented yet sensitive and unassuming superstar. I simply love her, the guys and their awesomely powerful music. Thx, Bob!

[@bobcieslinski]

Thanks Tom! Just a wild ride inside her mind right. Such a talented group of musicians.

[@FHB71]

I love Jinjer, Their complexity is mind-blowing!

[@bobcieslinski]

It sure is.

[@reboot_2.00]

World class videographer as well!

[@bobcieslinski]

👍

[@rodneyramirez603]

TATIANA IS A BEAST!! She’s out of this world there is no one like her!! VLAD! Holy crap those time signatures and fills making everything swing, he’s going to change metal drumming!! ROMAN is the mechanics that keeps the melodic foundation solid for the rest of the band and especially TATIANA. He always lays the hooks and keeps it all engaging, interesting and just fills the voids!! Hell of a musician!! EUGENE!! GEEEZ THAT GUY HAS IT GOING ON!! His constant movement and weaving bass lines fit like a glove, the dude swings like a mutha boy! He’s someone to watch def…JINJER!!!!

[@bobcieslinski]

Great summation here Rodney. You can really hear those awesome elements these guys bring to the music. They are incredible musicians.

[@dixiefletcher1539]

It’s okay, good musicians.

[@SuperLukeShapiro]

So waiting to next Jinjer video! BTW, noce reaction

[@SuperLukeShapiro]

Pls, take next song "On the Top"

[@bobcieslinski]

Thanks I’ll try to get to another one soon.

[@candybanks8717]

So it's one man's descent into madness. They appear to be in a library, so representing his mind. Everything he is is lost in the collapse into the vortex of insanity. Tati takes her voice into the basement and digs a hole in this one😳

[@randalljones4370]

On their YT channel, Jinjer has each of the three instrumentalists playing their part to this (and a few other) songs, in isolation. Each is amazing to watch. I honestly think that that, in some passages, Eugene and Roman write the 'strings part as if it is one giant 4 handed instrument, with a focus on interplay/counterpoint (if that's a thing) between the two musicians. To me, the bass line often paints a picture around the 'entire song's ' rhythm, in much the same way Vlad does... sorry, "words are hard" today, and I'm not typing my thoughts clearly. Example : in the mid-section, before the library is torn apart, just before the band plays that 7-legged-horse-gallop ("that's an interesting section")... listen to the slides from Eugene... rather than play in unison with Vlad, Eugene marks off a boundary around the meter with his slides... it keeps the time', but not in the conventional sense. So great, and it looks like it'd be fun to play. FYI. Roman tends to play very, very thick gauge strings. Notice how a note-bend is rarely (never?) heard from the guitar? I believe he often uses a 013 on the high E Not for the timid.... bring your flat-picking acoustic callouses to a Jinjer session.

[@bobcieslinski]

Hey great thoughts here. I appreciate it. I’ll have to check those videos out. Thanks.

[@bernhardkulzer9125]

Wait to see Eugene`s bass play through then you see what crazy things he really does... 😁🤘

[@bobcieslinski]

Oh man I have to check that out.

[@cyberia55]

Curiously, the “jumping” section you commented on is straight up 4:4 time signature. Vlad syncopates it a bit.

[@bobcieslinski]

Missed it. It just had such an odd feel there.

[@jeffmalloy8200]

Based on what Tatiana said in her interview with Elizabeth at the Charismatic Voice. If I'm understanding their process correctly. The guys in the band come up with the musical score and send a recording of it to Tatiana and then she writes the lyrics to the song. Then they go into the studio and meld the two and work out the kinks.

[@bobcieslinski]

That’s a pretty cool way of doing things. Not the normal way. It works so good though.

[@brandontolman7812]

🤘👍

[@shaunbryan3421]

Tatiana has said that vortex is about dark thoughts. I'm guessing she was meaning more along the line of anxiety attacks but she couldn't find her words during that interview. In my opinion the chaotic nature of the music mixed with the lyrics correctly describe what it's like being in a full blown attack. Just speaking from personal experiences.

[@bobcieslinski]

Thanks for that info Shaun.

[@guygourley2411]

Just went and rewatched some of your Unlucky Morpheus songs, and have to say, it's time for Dance of Eternity live. Talk about some tight work!!

[@bobcieslinski]

I think I’ve got it on the list. Sounds great! I’ll have to bump it up.

[@Garrett14]

Halfway through I kind of got scared

[@brutalshow3364]

🤘🇺🇦🤘

[@samking6583]

Top of the class in their fields, pretty much convinced Vlad is AI, cant be human ! hell the whole band is from the planet "Here, hold my beer"

[@pvdaele]

Interesting time signature? That part was in 4/4.

[@bobcieslinski]

Yep I’ve figured it out after the fact. The rhythms were pretty complicated having it a whole different feel.

[@Abcg59]

Most progressive rock hops through time signature. Varying time signatures is the defining attribute of progressive. And also long songs 😂

[@guygourley2411]

I’m going to guess that due to AI that the development of music videos has significantly improved. Years ago those effects would probably have been prohibitive in cost. I’m still not a Tatiana fan but I certainly appreciate her vocal talent. I kind of prefer Mayu from Nemophila. But the integration of music, video and lyrics was excellent.

[@bobcieslinski]

Yeah technology has really come along way. If you go back to watch any old movies we grew up with that technology looks so bad compared to todays.

[@guygourley2411]

@@bobcieslinski With the ending, this certainly was a dramatic song. As you mentioned, it's pretty relentless as well!

[@bobcieslinski]

@@guygourley2411it is relentless. Just all out the whole time at the end.

[@PatrickHutton]

Is there an underlying time signature in this song?

[@bobcieslinski]

It seems like it’s mainly 4/4 but with sections that feel odd but I think that’s just the rhythms they chose.

[@whispermason8052]

Tatiana says "A happy artist is not a good artist. You can get a lot from bad things". They put their experiences into these. You say you like the video. I don't think you've done "I speak Astronomy" by Jinjer. Don't wait too long to do that one. You're missing out on some epic vocals and break downs.

[@bobcieslinski]

Thanks whisper. If you have a link send my way please. Thanks.

[@whispermason8052]

one other thing, Jinjer never blocks. They know how they got so well known through youtube kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXvSgXydnJZqi5Y@@bobcieslinski

[@matto9734]

Don´t forget that this is a Ukrainian band and if you link that to what´s happening there you can hear the pain they are going through too... I so hope that Putin is not winning the war or destroy the whole country as he is trying to. Slava Ukraini!!!

[@rasi2020]

Sorry, too many stops - no thumbs up....😕

[@bobcieslinski]

Sorry you didn’t enjoy it but if you just want to watch someone watch it then there’s no substance.

[@rasi2020]

Thank you for considering my comment worthy of a reply!@@bobcieslinski

[@rasi2020]

Since the days of Covid lockdowns I was watching a lot of KZbin reactors to various types of music - literally hundreds and hundreds. And I've seen really good ones - and I've seen awful ones. Your's is definitely not that bad😉 ... BUT: pausing every few seconds for a comment ruins absolutely the dynamic of the song! Especially of Jinjer songs - and I know them nearly all. To Vortex I have listened quite a few times, and that song deserves to listen to the dynamic of rising tension! So, what I learned of listening to good reactors is: 1. stop not more than two or three times while listening to the song, 2. keep comments while pausing short, 3. NEVER stop when there is a solo (you didn't do this, did you?), and 4. after listening to the end of the song sum all your comments up in a final conclusion. That's the way good reactors do - and if they are real experts in their field (professional musicians) I really could learn something! Of course, you can do what you want - but we can improve what we are doing listening to valid critics, right? I hope you can look at my critic in a constructive way - because it was never meant to insult you!🙂

[@bobcieslinski]

@@rasi2020oh I was insulted. I’m always looking for input and help. I usually avoide stopping during solos. I’ve done videos like you describe and I’ve also talked more in some videos. It just depends on what I think at the time. Sometimes there are things worthy enough to talk about them and it could include stopping more. I’m just trying to do the best I can showing the awesome talent I am seeing in the videos. Thanks so much and feel free to give more opinions. I’m always open to suggestions.