Delta SSBN Sub Brief

[@b.elzebub9252]

I really like these sub-briefs. I know next to nothing about submarines, but your genuine enthusiasm for them is very contagious and makes these episodes a joy to listen to. I also like your genuine admiration for the achievements of what at the time was a mortal enemy. There's something wonderful about being able to say 'Woow, did you see that?! That's amazing!' when being essentially one up'ed by an opponent. The world needs more of that.

[@Dan_Crampton]

I LOVE these sub briefs Jive. Thanks for all the time and effort you put into them!

[@raywhitehead730]

Personally, I think the Russian submariners were brave and smart. They just didn't have the best gear.....but that was 35 years ago, when I played the worlds biggest and smartest game with them. Now looks like the game is on again, but the Chinese with the money and technology is stepping up to the plate...too..

[@orlandolandry1012]

Cool brave

[@KR4FTW3RK]

The liquid fuel for these ballistic missiles has to be storable at room temperature and ambient pressure. This leaves just one practical option - one component (the oxidizer) is nitrogen tetroxide and the other is hydrazine. Both of these are highly toxic and very corrosive. When mixed, they combust instantaneously - they are hypergolic - so the rocket doesn't need a complex ignition system. I am surprised at the audacity of cramming a nuclear submarine with these rockets... what surprises me even more is the fact that none of them ever just detonated, taking the sub with it.

[@1KosovoJeSrbija1]

Ryan, shome of the thingsh in thish room don't react well to buletsh.

[@hellacoorinna9995]

@@1KosovoJeSrbija1 Nice Lithuanian accent.

[@calvinnickel9995]

Marko Ramius was from the part of Vilnius known as “Little Shcotland”.

[@schr75]

Actually they did. The Yankee class K-219 was lost after a missile detonation caused by a propellant leak.

[@GurtTarctor]

I was reading about the ME 163 rocket powered fighter the other day, which had a similar kind of liquid fuel setup by the sounds of it. Apparently in one accident a pilot was "dissolved", not sure if I dare read into the details...

[@matthewjohnson2853]

Just discovered this great channel, lot's of information here on your videos. Have you made a video about the USS Tiru SS-416? Can't find much information or videos, American WW2 submarine with a long interesting history!

[@yamashirokirishima6397]

A tiny note regarding the map at 50:14 is that there are two "Krasheninnikov bays" and the picture of the Krasheninnikov bay base is from the Pavlovsky bay marker(tho with the russian for Krasheninnikov bay). And there wouldn't seem to been anything at the southern one. As in the correct Krasheninnikov bay is right next to(technically opposite) to Pavlovsky bay.

[@icterio1]

The first submarine I learnt about in a Salamander book when I was a teenager. Looked so dark and menacing in the illustration, very nostalgic to me. Still today I feel great admiration for cold war soviet subs. Wish there was more reading technical material about the subject. Great video!!

[@user-lq6ku3xn5t]

Whatever happened to the great Salamander Books?

[@icterio1]

@@user-lq6ku3xn5t Great series. It get me hooked in Air, Naval and Land warfare matters. It was perfect for beginners; excellent artwork and diagrams and a easy to understand text. Still have them after all these years (in paper and pdf)

[@jonathanbair523]

The American "Turtle" was a early sub back in the American war for independence. Where they would physically hand crank the shaft to power the ship to a British navy ship. Drill a hole into its side planting a charge, try and crank the other way to back up and get away before the bomb went off.... I class her as a sub as she is fully enclosed and had the waves go over her. If she could dive it was only few feet tho I doubt that deep even......Today I don't think her getting to "dive" that shallow to run along just under the surface (just under the waves) would really count as a true sub, but as I said shes a early one.... Back in the days of sail and wooden ships being king of the seas...

[@PercyPruneMHDOIFandBars]

Turtle was a submersible. But then so were the boats of WW2! The true submarine only arrived with nuclear power when the boats became completely independent of surface operation.

[@GoSlash27]

The recurring theme I get from these briefs: Soviet equipment wasn't bad, but the Soviet Navy was dangerously incompetent.

[@TheDarmach]

well, this tends to happen when you murder big part of your intellectuals few decades before ;)

[@blech71]

You know it’s a good day when you open KZbin and Jive has a new vid in the feed! Love it man! Keep up the great work!

[@definitly_not_putin]

There is a homemade video made be the crew of K-500 on one of their patrols in 1995 here on KZbin. For any interested Its called: Одна автономка АПКР "К-500"

[@PokePresto]

Would love to see a sub brief on some older german boats (if possible) or the Kobben class.

[@ravelineffm]

Just wanted to say I love your channel my friend! Every single video is so well researched and carefully presented. Thanks for all the work you do!

[@ALPINA527]

Amazing hearing some of the stories from these old boats and way more entertaining than Netflix movies.

[@michaelkaylor6770]

I just felt Adm Rickover roll-over in his grave when I heard the phrase, “… while the reactor is operational…”

[@schr75]

Great video but you have miss understood the term Throw weight. Throw weight is the weight the missile can "throw" at the target so basically its payload. The missile weight is between 32 and 36 tons depending of the model, so the tube is able to eject quite a lot more than just 1,1 tons.

[@bigfootape]

Yup, throw weight includes warheads, pen aids, guidance system, dispenser, and post boost propulsion (PBV) if equipped.

[@jermainerace4156]

Yeah, 1.1T seemed awfully light for a complete ICBM.

[@christopherleveck6835]

I've been waiting for the Delta episode. Getting my popcorn.

[@CameronWard758]

Hey Aaron, have you considered doing a video on Operation Ivy Bells? I don't know how much public information is out there but it seems like a truly fascinating story! Would love to hear your take on it. Cheers

[@Toddnesbitt]

Thanks! I'm having a hell of a time with this.

[@SubBrief]

Thank you.

[@paulkirby2761]

Loving your sub vids. Great job on that, I don't think you've left anything out!! I always liked the unmistakable look of the Delta class. That iconic missile hump on its back made the sub look like it was a rushed afterthought and not at all hydrodynamic like some big box lol.

[@Archangelm127]

23:00 - "The missile itself was at fault." I assume they turned the missile over to the KGB for interrogation and execution? ;)

[@oldfrend]

when it didn't talk they took it out back and shot it

[@undergroundupholstery]

Thanks for talking the time to put these long videos out. I’m not big into maritime other than sailing but find these videos absolutely fascinating. I really enjoy the content on the older subs and ships that are no longer in service. Have you thought about doing these long form videos on other “above water” vessels?

[@MrEddieG420]

Designed the sub around the missile, kinda like they designed the A10 around its cannon.

[@silmarian]

Yeah, but when the Delta goes BRRRRRRT the world ends.

[@MrEddieG420]

not exactly but ok...

[@calvinnickel9995]

@ Eddie G Yes, exactly. Flexible Response ended long before the Deltas. ANY aggressive nuke goes off and it’s MAD.

[@renaldolama9517]

I love how the sub briefs are extra long talking about subs that were patrolling from when he was in active service. He probably encountered a few of these in real life and is just dying to tell us everything.

[@StarFury2]

Astro Inertial correction system has a hefty dose of irony in it - looking at the starts above (that united humanity should explore), only to more efficiently rain death on ourselves below.

[@bobthompson4319]

making shore power is a good way to test the reactors in a more safe manner and if something happens they are in port.

[@sandragottlos6133]

Hello, I have a request. Do you know more about pets in Russian submarine? I have read some articles about cats in submarine, but I don't know if it's just a modern urban legend. Thanks!

[@chraffis]

I'll second that request! That would make a cool vid.

[@silmarian]

Well, either very interesting or very short. 😁

[@johnwatson3948]

Great as always. Know you’re just using shorthand but if missile Circle Accuracy means CEP then the circle is the area that a warhead would be calculated to land half the time (if you fire 10 then 5 should land within the circle). As with all ballistic missiles this doesn’t include unknown and systematic errors that can only be discovered by firing test shots on the same trajectory.

[@raywhitehead730]

The math for missile astrial \ star navigation and correction is Interresting.

[@robinwells8879]

Intrigued by the relatively short active lives of these machines. 15 patrols of at least best 60days seems not a lot of bang for the buck. Having never experienced the harshness I suppose that I cannot envisaged how stressed they were as systems. Also long maintenance periods. These are not like surface ships apparently. Wonderful content thanks. ❤

[@nikibishop3995]

Sub briefs are quickly becoming my favorite videos on the entire internet. Thanks for all the time/research/effort you put into these for us.

[@Typhoon-zx7qd]

Where are your Cold water video cant find them?

[@heinrichwonders8861]

When talking about "quiet" diesel subs - are we talking about the diesel running or batteries?

[@cmillerg6306]

Enjoy your presentations. I'm impressed what the Russians can do with a budget a fraction of ours. Same for the space race era... they had 1/8th of NASAs

[@Ynffy]

Amur constructed Delta with perfect service life? Computer says "no".

[@EliteColemanRacing]

my father served on the USS John Marshall from 84 till it was decommissioned in 92 as a sonar tech

[@andrewcox4386]

The fact they were using their newest & baddest SSBN as a power station really suggests that the missiles weren't ready....

[@calvinnickel9995]

Ever hear of the USS Lexington? It was an early US aircraft carrier. It had a neat turbo electric drive where there was no mechanical connection between the steam turbines and the propellers. It used a dynamo to drive an electric motor much like submarines and diesel electric locomotives. In the winter of 1929 to 1930, Tacoma was without power due to low water levels in Lake Kapowsin. The Lexington tied up alongside and powered the town. In the Ice Storm of 1998… several locomotives were driven off the tracks to provide emergency power to several villages. Just because someone is using something for power does not mean it isn’t operational. Maybe it turns out that deterrence isn’t as important as basic needs.

[@andrewcox4386]

@@calvinnickel9995 Yes, but why not use as SSN or an old Yankee rather than your new improved SSBN with the improved missiles?

[@trolleriffic]

@@andrewcox4386 Unlike an SSN, these SSBNs could perform their mission and hit their targets without going to sea.

[@legitscoper3259]

Finally my 2nd Favourite Sub. No1 still is: ... Golf SSB 👌

[@jermainerace4156]

55:00 .. does this sounds eerily similar to a story from.. I think it was the "Echo" brief? Or maybe did I watch this on Patreon and forgot.

[@adamwhite3584]

The "Throw Weight" is how much the launch vehicle can effectively put on target.

[@kaczyyy]

13:10 Throw weight - I think you are wrong. Throw weight is a mesurement of how heavy payload the rocket can carry to it's target, in this case it's the weight of the re-entry wehicle with the warhead etc. It has nothing to do with the tube or force of ejection from the tube.

[@wcraigburns3458]

Love the show jive .

[@paul_winter]

50:01 it's so painful and shameful to see our ship in that horrific state =(

[@GalvayraPHX]

Nothing's changed in terms of worker mentality in the great worker paradise. Just recall how a space station module had a hole drilled in it's side and then covered over recently.

[@calvinnickel9995]

I don’t recall that killing 7 astronauts like two of the worst space disasters in history as a result of an inherently unsafe overly complex launch vehicle build by the lowest bidder. Read up on the 737 MAX or Hard Rock Hotel collapse for more recent examples of runaway capitalism. Remember… the Russians are the only reason there is an international space station, have had an almost uninterrupted presence in space since the 60s, and were the only ticket there for almost a decade.

[@GalvayraPHX]

@@calvinnickel9995 I'm am aware of the impact of "late stage capitalism" on safety records. And I'm also aware of the stellar safety record of the russian Soyuz. My point is, while Russia is capable of building good, reliable machines, it's mostly on a bespoke basis. The mass-produced goods are seriously lacking, in part due to the attitude of workers. I think this is an outgrowth of socialism - when you're working in the factory on stuff that is not nor ever will be yours, you kind of don't care about quality. Combine this with lacking quality control on the management side - gotta reach those quotas! This sort of thinking was prevalent during soviet era, and it seems to have stuck in peoples' heads.

[@jermainerace4156]

Somehow I always seem to catch these on YT first.

[@bobthompson4319]

I heard that thresher had a screen in her HP air lines and when they blew the tanks it froze over with ice and couldn't blow the tanks.

[@youbluelemma]

f*ing gold! a study in human nature

[@itestsoftware]

First of all, thanks for all the great content and sharing your knowledge and experiences! Second is a question - does the free flood area in various model of subs provide any benefits in performance, sound signature or survivability? For instance, is there a chance that a torpedo hit might be lessened by striking a free flood zone as opposed to a pressure hull directly?

[@trolleriffic]

Having a double hull design means that the pressure hull design can be better optimised for pressure resistance, while the outer hydrodynamic hull can be designed with much more flexibility to accommodate things like missile tubes and machinery and optimised for low drag when moving through the water. The two hulls can also provide some protection against torpedos which would explode on the outer hull, and hopefully at least some of its energy would dissipate before reaching the inner pressure hull. Because things like missiles in tubes don't necessarily need to be contained within the pressure hull, they can be put inside the hydrodynamic hull and surrounded by water when the sub dives. Having the missile tubes outside the pressure hull could be advantages from a safety POV but it also allows for a smaller pressure hull or even multiple pressure hulls which can be individually sealed off which can be a significant safety advantage.

[@chemputer]

Sergei Korelev - "The Chief Designer", huge figure in Soviet space program. Sergei Kovalev - Chief Designer for Soviet SSBNs. That's a bit interesting, lots of important Sergei's. Korelev, Kovalev.

[@PercyPruneMHDOIFandBars]

This lecture makes me think. As you say, the Delta was an excellent platform for it's time. Some of these boats operated well, with no incidents. I wonder how it would have performed with NATO crews?

[@valvlad3176]

01:00:06 It's the only mentality that matters. My ship or my life.

[@alantfoley80a]

love this channel, one thing I would like to know is why do most US subs fire there topedos from the sides where the Russian have there tubes on the bow of the boat above the sonar array

[@ilyazhorov2964]

In 32:21 the "lox" system is spelled "l-o-h" in Russian (лох). It's stands for "submarine volumetric chemical protection"

[@chraffis]

Thanks. "Lox" is often used to label liquid oxygen for rockets and such. Wouldn't make much sense to use oxygen to put out a fire....Haha

[@maus3454]

When I search for both Pavlovsky Bay and Krasheninnikov Bay, they both are located in the same larger bay area. Where in your map thay are two different locations. I cannot find any naval base at the lower island you refer to.

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

Sounds like the _K-171_ should have been nicknamed _"OPERATOR ERRORS"_ {plural}...😉

[@bobthompson4319]

this is a combat vessel of the Soviet navy.

[@redcamaro9401]

An hour into this, it really sounds like Russian sailors are just Kerbals under the sea.

[@charleselswick5404]

Yesss, gotta have my sub brief!

[@badlandskid]

In Soviet Russia, casualty test you!

[@iandoyle3695]

Why do I wanna play cold waters after watching these.

[@Knubbers24_Ryan_Van_Riper]

🤘🎧

[@bobthompson4319]

freon in some refrigerant systems is propane.

[@robertmurray8815]

How do you get what would seem to be submarine secrets of Russian subs.

[@ilyazhorov2964]

In 1:23:35 the "Komsomol"... It stands for the "communist youth alliance". That's a movement for young people that aspire to become "real communists" aka party member. It's not 70 years of revolution, it's 70 years from the establishment of the Komsomol movement

[@bobthompson4319]

very sad story about the guy drawnding that way.

[@sisyphus2k237]

SSBN Billboard

[@federicoxcc4966]

I will name this submarine the camel class

[@jonathanbair523]

Sounds like the Russian sailor thinking was "better to die on the ship then in a prison camp."

[@bobthompson4319]

ice can do a lot of damage... ya ask titanic about that.

[@davec5153]

Looks like they bolted a ship container full of missiles on the back of a sub and called it an SSBN.

[@agenericaccount3935]

Man, some boats are just cursed af.

[@JessWLStuart]

Could "Laying on Liquid Soil" be translated as "Laying on Quicksand"?

[@simonandersson824]

Lulz it seems like the Soviet navy had a lot of farm boys in their ranks, you keep on going until work is done no matcher what (underwater collision who cares were not leaking... that much) , and safety pff, aint nobody got time for that it might rain tomorrow.

[@OneRoundDown]

Sweet!

[@the-quintessenz]

Is it perhaps alcohol that caused all the sluggish conduct?

[@GoSlash27]

There's no such thing as a bad luck boat. There are only bad luck crews.

[@SmokeShadow49311]

What language did that guy speak? You would think that everyone in the Russian navy would speak Russian. 26:40

[@BanterRanterr]

😱🤘

[@codynance5389]

Oh look they made the Kosatka IRL (sarcasm)

[@danmosure7349]

I feel bad thinking it but I wonder how many people die on this class of sub?

[@StaK_1980]

Fear and fear of accountability (even down to family, don't forget that! ) And also it could have been by design. Like in a real war you probably have to fight your way up to the target area so casualties are expected. Maybe that's why they operated this way. Either that or they care even less than I give them credit for ... :P

[@bagoistvan3182]

19:59 ...🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺👍😁😁😁

[@CsendesMark]

26:50 - that is terrible death, But I also can not understand why would use a man in your Team when you have literally millions whom you could choose from....

[@stevepirie8130]

Maybe didn’t want to prejudice against the sailor because he was a volunteer. Put him in an easy role until trained up. Poor fellow.

[@jermainerace4156]

Submarine service is usually voluntary (even in countries where military service is compulsory) because of the demands of a the unusual lifestyle and the inherent risk. As such, I suspect that even the Soviets had to allow that forcing people into a 40' x 300' tube for two months with access to nuclear weapons is a terrible, terrible idea (on top of that, submarines do not have a secure brig like surface ships). Considering the frightening reputation of Soviet submarines, it may not have been easy to find volunteers, and so they take who they can get.

[@samulivainionpaa9338]

Weird that a person that doesn't speak good Russian is serving on board of a submarine, and not just any regular boat, a Boomer at that

[@matt79de]

My feeling about those casualties is, that the Russians put the mission first (vs. the casualty) because that's exactly what you'd be doing in an actual war. So maybe those sailors died because the crew successfully completed their mission rather than because of a 'mishandling' of the situation. (But that's just a feeling, i might as well be mistaken.) Either way: Great one. Love your research jobs and especially all the extras derived from your experience that get dropped.

[@kalpakwadettiwar9487]

Typhoon class sub brief plz

[@kristinarain9098]

@ 37:34 > the Russians do not pause these drills because you cannot make such pauses and preparations for safety first under conditions of war. If s problem occurs during combat, and you never drilled for solving problems during combat, your crew will be caught flat footed and possibly cost most if not all your objectives and fail the mission. This is why they drill even with the risk of serious casualty. War does not allow for one to Get a pass during technical failures or a do over because a pipe accidentally ruptured.

[@klestius]

Please don’t call Soviet Union Russia. Thank you!

[@SubBrief]

Evil is Evil no matter what you call it.

[@lolmao500]

North Korea is building this.

[@paulreese9452]

Popcorn in hand

[@kobushauman3310]

I give ALL the glory to the Lord Jesus Christ Who is God and His Holy Ghost 🙌🏿 ✝️ 🧎🏾

[@SubBrief]

Praise be to Jesus! wooo

[@MrRugbylane]

So... if you see these missiles are launched, explode all your preplaced satellites in high orbit so that the Star Tracker gets hopelessly confused. You are welcome

[@CatsFerDays]

What’re your stream times man???

[@SubBrief]

I'm not telling, you. Your move

[@craftpaint1644]

LoL. Everyone knows about the Status 6 and the Zircon missile, but internet capabilities are Classified Above Top Secret 👩‍🔧🇺🇲🛠️🇷🇺

[@ru7hless415]

K447 went to drydock in 1798.🤥

[@jugganaut33]

I think the mistake a lot of people make is thinking a russian patrol is a optional tasking or training exercise. In Russia. Putting a boat to sea means putting a boat to sea. It’s going to sea because they’re at war or could be tomorrow. Their job is to ensure MAD. Whether they’re breathing, burning or drowning.

[@ahmedt3807]

Make jin class briefe

[@SubBrief]

Jin SSBN Sub Brief is available now on my Patreon page.

[@marianmarkovic5881]

u can f*** up everything, but you will finish mission,...

[@MajinOthinus]

18:14 *Very* unfortunate choice of name.

[@miamijules2149]

Yo Jive…. please homie…. please…. PLEASE TELL ME WE DON’T OUR NAVY THIS WAY!! Lololol PLEASE TELL ME WE HAVE A HALF CLUE UNLIKE THESE POOR BASTARDS!! 🤣😂😅

[@lurpygeek]

Google Hyman Rickover and safety.

[@zoperxplex]

The Typhoon may have been the biggest submarine ever built but it also may have been the submarine that broke the back of the USSR because it was so expensive

[@samulivainionpaa9338]

They wouldn't make 6 of them if they had no money, i don't think they are that dumb

[@zoperxplex]

@@samulivainionpaa9338 They only made six which underscores how expensive they were and proves that these vessels helped to break the back of Soviet tyranny.

[@samulivainionpaa9338]

@@zoperxplex Six is a lot for a vessel that expensive, it's not like it was their only SSBN anyways. And it was not a bunch of boomers that caused it to break, that's for sure

[@zoperxplex]

@@samulivainionpaa9338 Of course the Typhoons alone could not account for the break up of the Soviet Union but couple the Typhoons with the Tbilisi class aircraft carriers (later the Admiral Kuznetsov class), the Oscar class SSGN, the Kirov class cruisers, the Sovremnney and Udaloy classes of destroyers and the Sierra and Akula classes of SSNs along with their nuclear ballistic missiles and army and you can readily appreciate how the total weight of this defense apparatus can bust the bank of the old communist regime.

[@charleselswick5404]

Yesss, gotta have my sub brief!