Voltage Drop in Electrical Circuits

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John Ward (jwflame)

John Ward (jwflame)

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@josharnold7729
@josharnold7729 3 жыл бұрын
Really starting to like this guy with his straight forwardness and bluntness.
@benhurley280
@benhurley280 4 жыл бұрын
Got to be the best online tutor in this field, every video is clear and made to be understood by even for the most novice amongst us. Cheers JW 👍🏻
@AintBigAintClever
@AintBigAintClever 8 жыл бұрын
Why the hell has someone thumbed this down? Some people just hate education.
@DavidofSteele
@DavidofSteele 8 жыл бұрын
AintBigAintClever . some idiots are just born trollers. I wish, every time someone trolls, a magical hand will slap them around the back of the head. HA!
@leaturk11
@leaturk11 6 жыл бұрын
just your average idiot on KZbin
@twn5858
@twn5858 6 жыл бұрын
There's a lot of know it alls on youtube who think if you didn't do it the way I would have done it then you did it wrong. That's my guess on who down voted the video.
@LSF315
@LSF315 6 жыл бұрын
AintBigAintClever what’s that saying about educating pork?
@rich1051414
@rich1051414 5 жыл бұрын
I would bet half of them are people who missed the share button and accidentally thumbs downed the video.
@proctorbook
@proctorbook 8 жыл бұрын
JW should have been a school teacher, I might have gone to school then, love the vids JW
@Tangobaldy
@Tangobaldy 8 жыл бұрын
So true.
@proctorbook
@proctorbook 8 жыл бұрын
+DC when I was at school all you did was copy what was on the board, in silence...
@Tangobaldy
@Tangobaldy 8 жыл бұрын
***** same here. I was born late 60s. My first school was a typical victorian school. All on benches with slate board. My next school had round tables and it was chaos. My junior school is where i gave up learning from school. My education is very high but have no qualifications. No way was I going to spend years getting in debt to do a degree so I can flip burgers
@chumaninxazonke117
@chumaninxazonke117 4 жыл бұрын
Your explanations are so simple to understand. Thank you, John!
@theirisheditor
@theirisheditor 8 жыл бұрын
That reminds me of a similar issue we had up until about 15 years ago, but in our case it as a 6 volt drop for a 2kW load (e.g. Kettle) as our mains supply ran for something like 500 metres to the transformer. It wasn't a major issue until my my brother (who lived with us back then) got a 35A welder! When I reported the voltage dropping issue to ESB Networks, in just 2 weeks they extended their high voltage lines right up to near our house, fitted a new transformer and now the voltage drops by about 2V in the socket next to the kettle when switched on.
@ProckerDark
@ProckerDark 5 жыл бұрын
the distance of 500 meters to the transformer was probably the main issue
@EcoNinja
@EcoNinja 4 жыл бұрын
Similar issue here. We are 300 meters from the transformer plus 70 meters of 16mm 3 phase cable. When the electric mower starts it's a significant dimming of the lights, and the phase previous in the rotation will actually brighten slightly. Oddly, resistive loads will push the phase next in sequence up by half the drop on the loaded phase.
@NorthernMonkeeUK
@NorthernMonkeeUK 8 жыл бұрын
Great video as usual John. I had an issue similar to that house you demonstrated on, apart from voltage here dropped to ~100v. It took WPD so long to do anything about the fault in the street that the cable under the footpath actually blew up one evening, taking out one of the phases and therefore a third of the street for over a day whilst they temporarily re-connected people to a different phase whilst they made the repair (which typically involved them destroying my front lawn, again).
@harveysmith100
@harveysmith100 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you John, I am more accomplished in mechanical engineering than anything else, however I am fully aware of how useful knowledge electronics is. I am slowly getting my head around it. You are clearly very experienced in your subject but unlike many others, you can communicate the subject in a very chapter one way. Many thanks again.
@festokapinga342
@festokapinga342 6 жыл бұрын
Nicee well doneee
@ndear2955
@ndear2955 6 ай бұрын
I'm glad you clarified the reason for the low voltage shown during your demonstration. I was very surprised because the UK power grid is generally pretty well-regulated and I was surprised to see the voltage drop below 216.
@VivekGangwar02
@VivekGangwar02 4 жыл бұрын
youre a good teacher, I wish you teach millions of students.
@driftmanjirc
@driftmanjirc 8 жыл бұрын
Hi john I have my 17th edition exam on 15th of feb and I must say your videos have helped massively in understanding certain things that I was unsure of to start with. thanks pal :)
@matthewjones3698
@matthewjones3698 8 жыл бұрын
Your delivery and content are sublime. Thank you for uploading.
@mrpropergander6800
@mrpropergander6800 3 жыл бұрын
That opening line *"...Hello I'm JW..."* is becoming legendary. 😁
@johnburns4017
@johnburns4017 4 жыл бұрын
In my place mid afternoon. 250v on the 32A ring with nothing on. Measured voltage in a double socket in kitchen - 250v. 800w Toaster plugged into same double socket - turned on drops to 249v. Two rings on induction hob on (separate 40A circuit), drops to 248v. Put 3kW oven on, drops to 247v. Quite pleased. Maybe very different at peak times.
@johnschlesinger2009
@johnschlesinger2009 5 жыл бұрын
I did wonder why the voltage was so low, as whenever I have measured mine, it has been above 245V: the supply industry likes keeping higher voltages than the EU standard of 230V, as we end up using more power! You gave the reason at the end. I have always preferred to err on the side of larger conductor sizes: in my electrical days, I always used 1.5 sq mm for lighting.
@TheEulerID
@TheEulerID 5 жыл бұрын
"the supply industry likes keeping higher voltages than the EU standard of 230V, as we end up using more power!" In general you don't. Take that kettle. Feed it with a higher voltage, and it will boil the water faster and it will turn off quicker which will counteract the increased power usage. The same with a washing machine, or a dish washer, or an oven or anything else which contains a thermostat. Things get up to temperature faster and they then turn off quicker. In the case of devices which contain modern power supplies and draw a fixed amount of power, like a TV, a computer or something similar then the device will draw less current at a higher voltage and there will be less power wasted in the wiring. Higher voltage supplies are more efficient. The current passed is lower for the same power which means there's less wasted power in the wiring. That doesn't just mean the domestic wiring, but it feeds back through all the levels of the transmission network. Run, say, 5% higher voltage at each level and that means about 5% less current which means about 5% less power loss in the cabling. Drop the voltage so that it's actually 230v that is delivered rather than 240v, then then more current would have to be delivered for the same power. As for the EU standard being 230v, it's not. The requirement is a range which means that anything from about 215-250v complies.
@tedlahm5740
@tedlahm5740 4 жыл бұрын
Very well presented. In our general math we are told that Parallel loads the voltage is the same at each load. The resistances are added together RESULTING in LOWER resistance and INCREASED amperage. In your example the resistances are in series. Thank you. Comment please.
@jwflame
@jwflame 4 жыл бұрын
The resistance in this instance is that of the supply cables and circuits within the property. That remains constant, but as the load (amps) increases, the voltage across that resistance also increases, V= IxR. Parallel loads only have the same voltage if the cables connecting them have zero resistance, in textbooks this is assumed to be zero but in reality cables have some resistance although it's usually very small. The installation in this video had a fault with the supply (high resistance connection) so the effect of voltage drop was much larger than normal.
@Dog-whisperer7494
@Dog-whisperer7494 3 жыл бұрын
Robin electronics , they were located in Watford and made the Robin range of test instruments in the late 90s they stopped trading and re located to Chesham and rebranded as kewtech industry’s and continued to make the Robin meters but changed the colour from yellow to grey and rearranged the model numbers , ie Robin KTS 1620 became kewtech kt 62. Since then the Robin brand has been used by a number of different manufacturers including fluck and amprobe . Great video John very well explained
@jamesgrimwood1285
@jamesgrimwood1285 8 жыл бұрын
The 2KW electric radiator in this room is currently giving a good example of how wires have resistance. The wires are cold, but certainly more pliable than they were before switching the radiator on, and the plug has a slight warmness to it.
@hinterloop
@hinterloop 8 жыл бұрын
Dude, this is why I insist on only 24 ct gold electrical cabling... Also why I am deeply in debt.
@g0fvt
@g0fvt 8 жыл бұрын
Gold is worse than copper, silver is better....
@alfoncejean8826
@alfoncejean8826 7 жыл бұрын
just use cryogenic coolling to go to 0kelvin something and use a supraconducter.
@dale76uk
@dale76uk 6 жыл бұрын
I use silver cabling, the resistance decreases with age ;-)
@kendoknackersackee
@kendoknackersackee 3 жыл бұрын
@max marrero Hello hello, hello! You seem to know a lot about it. Evening all😅
@TheEulerID
@TheEulerID 5 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to read this was due to a fault as a near 10v drop at 10A is ridiculously high. That 1 ohm resistance is the equivalent of 135m of 2.5mm^2 copper cable (so almost 70m of length on a radial). It would require a massive ring circuit to get that sort of drop.
@kevinburns4070
@kevinburns4070 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! Very helpful. I am trying to sort out a very simular situation in my newly built cabin. I’m 300m from the transformer that I share with my neighbor who has 3 cabins on the same meter. (I believe the transformer is fairly new but small at 5kw.) I put in 16mm2 aluminum (5awg) underground wire to my cabin (my meter is by the transformer, 300 meter from the cabin.) Without load my supply is between 215-235v depending on the time of day 221v most of the day. However my volts drop the same as yours in the video. 10 volts for the 8a kettle, 12 volts for the 10a oven (on its own, different circuit). It can go as low as 180 if I accidentally turn on the oven, kettle , and 8amp well pump etc. my question before calling the electric company is the following. Would testing the volts at the meter with and without load tell me if the drop was on my end or on the electric companies end? I suspect the major issue is the electric company but would like to be clear before they come out and say nope everything is fine.... Thanks!
@Brasil28
@Brasil28 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, it would tell you that because the voltage being “robbed” happens more and more as the current goes down the line. Thus, at the beginning you have all the voltage and at the end of the line less.
@astplatinum
@astplatinum 8 жыл бұрын
I do hope once the kettle boiled the home owner made you tea! Again, great video JW.
@artvandelay7737
@artvandelay7737 3 жыл бұрын
Hi JW really enjoy your videos and this great explanation of voltage drop. One thing I did note was that there is no mention of the utilisation voltage. I believe in the UK as with Australia the service provider is permitted a +10%, -6% variation in supply at the consumer point of attachment. Further to this BS 7671 and AS 3000 permit a maximum VD of 5% within the premise. Therefore the maximum & minimum voltage (or utilisation voltage) experienced at the consumers outlet could be 230VAC +10%, -11% or 253VAC to 205VAC. A voltage as low as 205VAC is permissible.
@jimmersonsar6070
@jimmersonsar6070 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing video ur so clear and u speak slow other country people can understand u fantsstic
@impactvision
@impactvision 8 жыл бұрын
John keep up the good work, Maybe you should think about lecturing at your Local college?
@ianbutler1983
@ianbutler1983 3 жыл бұрын
Here is the US a kettle is about 1200 watts at best. I am always amazed how quickly a kettle boils when I visit the UK.
@npal379
@npal379 6 жыл бұрын
Fantastic, concise explanation. Where were teachers like this when I was at school?
@EvertonBrattray
@EvertonBrattray 4 жыл бұрын
This is why , locally we put the electric stove on it own circuit. And, in some cases the refrigerator and hood-microwave oven gets it own circuit aswell.
@johnburns4017
@johnburns4017 4 жыл бұрын
The comments on the lighting circuit, where less voltage drops is tolerated. *1.* The drop on the lighting may be caused by other loads on other circuits. *2.* Many are now rewiring lights with 1.0mm, instead of 1.5mm cable, as LEDs are extensively used which draw far less current than filament lighting. But as a voltage drop can be caused by other circuits, is it best to keep up with 1.5mm cable to keep voltage up, even though on paper the wiring is oversized.
@dimitargetsov9690
@dimitargetsov9690 7 жыл бұрын
with the highest respect to Your videos, the cattle ,the toaster,the cooker are in parallel ....
@dimitargetsov9690
@dimitargetsov9690 6 жыл бұрын
in the first part of the video(turning on and off the cattle ,toaster etc.) Sir John discusses voltage drop on the appliances in parallel.in the second part he discusses the voltage drop on the cables(conductors),obviosly in series with the load----if the cables are too long they can "consume" the voltage needed the load to operate properly.The electricity is precise science--i thought Sir John could find a way (method) to differentiate the two voltage drops.
@anthropoid2405
@anthropoid2405 6 жыл бұрын
JW nails it again, another excellent video.
@stephentaylforth4731
@stephentaylforth4731 6 жыл бұрын
Just out of curiosity I tried it on my British system. Ebay multimeter not a kinky Fluke, starting at a fairly statiic 248 volts Voltage drops by 1 volt for each pair of slots on a 4 slot toaster. Total load about 1500 watts. Guess my wiring is a little more substantial than the apparent damp string used in that house.........
@boonjunsiew8531
@boonjunsiew8531 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, john ward , its would take a long time for me to understand if not for your video, appreciate for your great effort.
@christopherhulse8385
@christopherhulse8385 6 жыл бұрын
Our mains voltage is normally around the 248v mark.
@Bootlebarth
@Bootlebarth 7 жыл бұрын
Very thorough and simply explained
@boiler-repairs-london
@boiler-repairs-london 3 жыл бұрын
JW. Always very informative and clearly understood. Really enjoy the videos
@county5
@county5 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks John, I partly realised my problem but I was still unsure, It was doing my head in as to why I was getting 0.00 on so many results
@crpth1
@crpth1 4 жыл бұрын
Tip: If confronted with this type of situation and before pointing the finger to your house installation. Make sure you're being provided with the appropriate voltage. I lived in an area where after the addition of some buildings. Particularly around Christmas time (lights). The voltage surges went crazy low with violent fluctuations. Result a bunch of "burned" consumers. Short story after complain to the power company my house was changed to another phase on the main cabinet on the street. Problem solved. BTW I payed the replacement of the damaged equipment. :-( Cheers
@Dog-whisperer7494
@Dog-whisperer7494 5 ай бұрын
John can you explain why you used the resistance calculating how much current was used . 2300w / 230v = 10amp but going by the resistance it’s 9.58 amps . Please explain .
@TimpBizkit
@TimpBizkit 3 жыл бұрын
I've noticed voltage drop on my simple Kill-A-Watt depending on what's connected, along with a corresponding dim in the lights when high power devices such as the kettle, and to an even larger extent, the shower are on. I've also noticed voltage rise at night, presumably because less people are using electricity. I wonder if the frequency increases at night slightly as well due to less load on the generators, although the power stations will be throttled back as well to counter this.
@spelunkerd
@spelunkerd 7 жыл бұрын
When I was in England last year I suddenly realized why water in an kettle boils so much faster than it does in North America. By using 220V mains, your wiring is capable of more power. In North America, our household breakers are designed to protect 14 gauge wire, only allowing 15A of 120V. So, our kettles are designed to use less power, typically less than 1800W.
@stonestreaker
@stonestreaker 6 жыл бұрын
Edison has a lot to answer for. You should have listened to Tesla.
@billelkins994
@billelkins994 6 жыл бұрын
Edison was right. A 120v 100w incandescent lamp will last twice as long as a 240v 100w lamp. For 100 years you 240 volters have been replacing bulbs twice as often as the 120 volters. Edison's DC system finally stopped serving customers in 2007. cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/14/off-goes-the-power-current-started-by-thomas-edison/
@nightarrow7473
@nightarrow7473 5 жыл бұрын
@@billelkins994 but a 120v 100w bulb is about half as bright as a 240v 100w bulb if I am correct so get a 50w one which is the equivalent of 120v 100w bulb in the US and it will last as much. not to mention all DC power supplies work more efficiently with 240v
@billelkins994
@billelkins994 5 жыл бұрын
@NightArrow The light output of an incandescent bulb is dependent on its wattage. All 100w bulbs are the same brightness. The filament in a 240v bulb is thinner than an equivalent 120v bulb thus "burns through" sooner. Never heard the DC supply thing before.
@denischarette4744
@denischarette4744 5 жыл бұрын
Bill Elkins I think the filament is not made thinner, but rather longer (2x) so the current is 2 times lower to get the same wattage. I guess the 240V ones last less time because they have more places and chances to break, being twice as long.
@ericthekingthekingtheking4842
@ericthekingthekingtheking4842 8 жыл бұрын
what would be interesting jw would be a video showing the sequence of tests at the c/u and why certain tests are carried out and stuff
@grahammackie3117
@grahammackie3117 6 жыл бұрын
RK 180 check out Chris kitcher. Routledge. QR codes 1-17. All the tests in sequence.
@Graham_Langley
@Graham_Langley 8 жыл бұрын
I'm now regretting not measuring the voltage drop on the old CU here before it was changed late last year. I'm definitely no longer seeing the lights dim slightly when a particular vacuum cleaner is used, but that may be because most of them are now LED and nowhere near as voltage-sensitive as incandescent lamps are.
@johnburns4017
@johnburns4017 4 жыл бұрын
One point about final ring circuits. When the 2.3kW kettle is switched on, the voltage should be kept up because the socket is fed from two ways. If it was on a radial, the voltage drop may have been a lot worse, especially with high current drawing appliances on the same radial.
@JasperJanssen
@JasperJanssen 2 жыл бұрын
When the significant resistance is outside the building, no, it wouldn’t have been.
@johnburns4017
@johnburns4017 2 жыл бұрын
@@JasperJanssen Uh?
@warrengray610
@warrengray610 7 жыл бұрын
very interesting John, similarities can be seen when considering volt drop in a battery and external load, the battery will also have internal R, very similar to the R in the mains system you explained, enjoyable!
@linuxthemoon
@linuxthemoon 8 жыл бұрын
Your mains voltage already seems so low to start with! I've just measured my mains voltage and it's 248 volts, and turning the kettle on only drops a few volts then it climbs back up while the kettle is on.
@csnape2003
@csnape2003 8 жыл бұрын
The mains voltage in my area generally sits around 240 rising to around 250 at night when the load on the transformer is less. I have moved a number of times over the last few years and seen similar results in other areas but i have never seen the voltage dip as low as 220.
@danielelise7348
@danielelise7348 8 жыл бұрын
+krisbham,in general kettle cords are less than a metre in length & the resistance in it would be so minimal,it's really not worth factoring it in,in the overall scheme of things.
@dodgerrogers9710
@dodgerrogers9710 8 жыл бұрын
John could you do a video showing how to wire in a rcd unit for a garage with a lighting ,socket circuit and supply for garage door. materials reqd and if I can take a supply from the utilty socket circuit for supply
@daytonamann5618
@daytonamann5618 6 жыл бұрын
Great as usual; thanks for your efforts John. Could you do a video on voltage drop in ring circuits?
@denischarette4744
@denischarette4744 5 жыл бұрын
I think the example demonstrates that the resistance of the house wires must be substancially less than .5 ohms, preferably no more than .1 ohm.
@johnbonthron8528
@johnbonthron8528 4 жыл бұрын
John, thank you for an excellent, clear cut explanation. I wonder if you could extend this to add a comment about the effect of VOLTAG DROP on household electronic controls such as inside electric showers and low voltage lamps? We have lived here for 12 years without a problem but in the last week one of our showers has ‘stuttered’ running cool for about a minute until returning to normal. Meanwhile the overhead bathroom spots dim then flicker to life. From your video, I strongly suspect an incoming supply fault and intend to report this to our supplier,. Again, many thanks for your video.
@JasperJanssen
@JasperJanssen 2 жыл бұрын
Does the lighting in the rest of the house *also* dim? Because if it’s in your supply, it should affect everything. Or have you gut it fixed by now and if so what was it?
@liammulligan1279
@liammulligan1279 Жыл бұрын
Great explanation
@davidhaines4173
@davidhaines4173 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for sharing your vast knowledge base and expertise J.W.
@Tangobaldy
@Tangobaldy 8 жыл бұрын
Jw if only u were a teacher outside of youtube.
@aquahits5674
@aquahits5674 6 жыл бұрын
John if it says total cabinet load of 10amps dies the fuse in the plug have to be 10amps or it doesnt matter if its 13amp has the mains lead is 16 amp c19
@jwflame
@jwflame 6 жыл бұрын
If it states 10A, then use a 10A fuse .
@ralphkvic6494
@ralphkvic6494 Жыл бұрын
Thanks John for the video. I would like to ask about my problem. I am not licensed to do power repairs so I improvised. A house that has a 10+ year old fridge and has just started beeping a single beep from the kitchen when you switch the light on in the garage and other switches around the house but is not consistent. I have plugged the fridge with an extension cord to other power points and have a power point with a safety switch included which has never tripped but it still has the single beep. The beep is the same beep when you turn on the power at the wall or leave the door open too long. Do I need a new fridge or call an electrician but I am also curious first and like to make an informed decision.
@ColinRichardson
@ColinRichardson 8 жыл бұрын
Sorry, just catching the first minute of this, need to start work.. But I was thrown by the change of location.. It makes you look different some how.. Will watch during lunch break.
@paulmacgiollacaoine8619
@paulmacgiollacaoine8619 7 жыл бұрын
Nice video thanks, so if V = I.R then the lower the resistance of the wire, i.e. the thicker the wire, the higher the voltage drop along the wire & thus the more voltage is available to the loads?
@ahemednor5201
@ahemednor5201 5 жыл бұрын
thanks Mr John
@robertgemmell1485
@robertgemmell1485 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks John. Well explained.
@johnmaguire1212
@johnmaguire1212 3 жыл бұрын
Great video and explanation John, I really enjoy your videos as you explain them in good detail that are easy to understand for both students and experienced Electricians like myself. Keep up the good work. 👍
@H4zuZazu
@H4zuZazu 8 жыл бұрын
So far i right remember in Germany here is a max. Voltage drop of 1% from the Transformer to the Meter and then from the Meter to the Sockets/Consumer a max. of 3%.
@jusb1066
@jusb1066 8 жыл бұрын
+Grumpy Electrician dunno how it could be achieved, we run a ring main, so two 32a cables supply his socket, perhaps the %3 is under less of a load than the 3kw JW's kettle uses
@H4zuZazu
@H4zuZazu 8 жыл бұрын
+jusb1066 i could only guess how the 32A sockets are connected, are they with a 4mm² (if under 10m it's at the edge), more or less if less it could explain the voltage drop. More interesting would, how high is the Loop-Inpedance in this case.
@jusb1066
@jusb1066 8 жыл бұрын
Grumpy Electrician things like loop impedance are beyond my knowledge, i can only say each socket is rated at 13a, the double john has is thus 26a, its connected to a ring circuit that uses cable rated at 32a and has a 30a breaker, the ring will supply all the (downstairs) 13a sockets in a ring main config(thus downstairs can only pull 30a total from all sockets combined) his cooker would use its own (spur link due to being only one provided connection, and a 30a breaker). I assumed you are not aware of UK connections, but if you are then i am telling you stuff you know way more about than i do (and i apologise)
@H4zuZazu
@H4zuZazu 8 жыл бұрын
+jusb1066 it doesn't matter how high the breaker is, if the mm² of the wire is to small for the rating, then the resistance is high. i assume that the wire is not that big behind that because of that high Voltage drop. The thing is for 32A you need at least 4mm² better or higher. the 13A says me that it's 1.5mm².
@jusb1066
@jusb1066 8 жыл бұрын
Grumpy Electrician 32a 'twin and earth' as we call it is 4mm2,(and remember 2 lengths feed a box in ring circuit) and short lengths of 13a are 1.5mm or more , longer (decent extensions) are 2mm
@tedwutang
@tedwutang 2 жыл бұрын
It’s common for uk to have series instead of parallel?
@nodriveasusephotos8019
@nodriveasusephotos8019 3 жыл бұрын
All electrical equipment in the house acts like ballasts to the supply cable. This is normally not noticeable with low current devices such as a lamp. It's heat that causes this effect. So for example a 3kw kettle would cause a certain amount of heat in the lead and cable supplying it. Not necessarily anything we would notice by touch but there nevertheless. The more heat the more the voltage drop. This leaves less voltage to the next circuit or appliance in line. Some speakers systems use a light bulb such as the ones in car vanity lamps. they are used in line with the tweeters. If the supply gets too high, which could blow the tweeter, the bulb starts getting hot or even glowing which reduces the voltage and overall lowering the wattage to the tweeter. So how about in a house. How do we get around this if it causes an issue or an annoyance. It is possible but not practical. Gold is a bit expensive unfortunately
@dmajumdar2059
@dmajumdar2059 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Cleared up a lot of concepts for me. 👍
@MRubio1978
@MRubio1978 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you Mr. Ward. Helped a lot.
@markdavey7970
@markdavey7970 6 жыл бұрын
excellent video John... bravo !!
@jeepsblackpowderandlights4305
@jeepsblackpowderandlights4305 2 жыл бұрын
3% on lighting circuits.. that really depends on the light.. a ballast driven light will not see lights "dimming" between 3% or even 10%. Most HID lights for example will fire with a 10% voltage drop due to the ballast being able to make up for the difference in lost voltage.. you wont see a "dimming" effect... maybe on incandescent or halogen lights but not on ballast driven lights
@JGprojects
@JGprojects 8 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up from me, very well explained and clear, thanks JW.
@unobianconero5751
@unobianconero5751 4 жыл бұрын
so how about voltage drop in DC? if we have 5V supply and a 3V LED, the resistor ohms should be calculated with the V of 2, so how was the voltage remained higher than 200V when the kettle was turned on? if we use several devices voltage drops and to make it right amps goes up to fill up the watts right?
@deangreenhough3479
@deangreenhough3479 7 жыл бұрын
Another great video by JW👍
@mibars
@mibars 8 жыл бұрын
Oh, you are so lucky with 10V drop at 3kW ;) In my place when I switch my 3 kW kettle voltage drops from ~220 to around ~190... And kettle draws around 2 kW instead of 3 On the other hand in an apartment with new electrical installation and direct short run of 5 mm^2 connection from fuse box to outlet for stovetop (2.5 mm x2 parallel on both L and N in preparation for 3 phase supply) I get just 3V drop at 3.7 kW of power ;)
@Ragnar8504
@Ragnar8504 8 жыл бұрын
+mibars Where are you located? That kind of voltage drop sounds like what I'd expect in rural Italy but in your case it seems to be caused by your house wiring. In Italy it's the grid operator, they'll seriously string over 1000 m of 6 mm2 wire on poles supplying several houses!
@mibars
@mibars 8 жыл бұрын
Ragnar8504 Poland, countryside, very end of power line. Power line that was supplying two houses at this end back when it was constructed now supplies I think 7 or 8. I can clearly see when my neighbor starts the welder.
@erikpras2573
@erikpras2573 7 жыл бұрын
mibars i
@terryofford4977
@terryofford4977 8 жыл бұрын
Very well explained and understanable Well Done.hank you.
@vincentkavanagh7496
@vincentkavanagh7496 4 жыл бұрын
You do brilliant work thank you I always use your videos too brush up on things I'm not 100% sure Thanks for the great content
@LSF315
@LSF315 6 жыл бұрын
Another great presentation.
@unSTEVOED
@unSTEVOED 4 жыл бұрын
What was your fault loop impedance? My guess is a loose connection at the SwitchBoard or Fault at the supply transformer
@JakeSmith-ux1xk
@JakeSmith-ux1xk 3 жыл бұрын
Fluke is the best. I have used them for many years.
@DerekHundik
@DerekHundik 6 жыл бұрын
Basically kettle toster electric hob or oven working on same principless as welding machine.
@angussmith3332
@angussmith3332 8 жыл бұрын
Excellent, informative video, thank you! I am currently trying to figure out if something is wrong with the power supply to my house. The most voltage I see is at my sockets is 226V and when I turn on high load appliances the drop takes this down to 210V causing some of my equipment to cut out and lights to flicker etc. Should I contact my power supplier? My father gets a steady 240V at his house but it is in a different village.
@jwflame
@jwflame 8 жыл бұрын
210V is too low, and the drop from 226 to 210 is excessive, so you should contact the supplier so that they can investigate. The example in the video was due to an underground cable fault which has now been repaired - when loaded the voltage only drops by 1 or 2 volts now.
@crpth1
@crpth1 7 жыл бұрын
Angus Smith - Had similar situation many years ago. Power supplier should take care of that...But most times they don't/can't because of all the surrounding infrastructure (high cost). In my case after complain they changed my house supply from one connector (barramento-put the correct English expression) of 6 houses to another, just beside that only supplied 3 houses. Meaning it was far from perfect but got slightly better. Anyway I was the only one complaining (officially) all the others had the same losses but where not aware of the situation. PS: During Christmas season (light decoration in nearby city) it went as low as 195V. Too many transformers, ballasts and a few other electronics lost...I payed the bill for all. :-(
@MsTommyknocker
@MsTommyknocker 4 жыл бұрын
What setting do you put the machine on?
@001Neal100
@001Neal100 6 жыл бұрын
Hi John great video once again. Am i correct in thinking that as the kettle element heats up the resistance will be increasing slightly and also further decreasing the voltage until the water boils and the thermostat trips the kettle off?
@jwflame
@jwflame 6 жыл бұрын
Resistance does increase as the temperature increases, but for the temperature increase in a kettle element, any change in resistance is insignificant.
@dooovde
@dooovde 4 жыл бұрын
Did you explain why the voltage dropped when you turned on the kettle? I just got from this that the cables have a resistance by themselves and this is why the theoretical value is not seen in reality. Maybe I missed something.
@sphinx19
@sphinx19 7 жыл бұрын
1st-Bad supply... is suppose to be 230 V (+10%;-6%) Open circuit. 2nd- if you are in the kitchen is suppose to be ring final circuit, and in not very well design, by connecting a 2.3 kW V drop is 10 V very close to 11.5 V.
@AB-yu2tj
@AB-yu2tj 4 жыл бұрын
Question. incoming voltage is 220 on one line or is it 220 total of both lines. Here in the US when 220 V is required, it is the sum of both lines. There are 2 "L" or Hot, each is 110 Volts.There is no neutral line in a 220 circuit.
@jwflame
@jwflame 4 жыл бұрын
Neutral and 230V, there is no 110V in the UK.
@AB-yu2tj
@AB-yu2tj 4 жыл бұрын
@@jwflame so one line measures to 220 volt. Thank you for your reply. My experience with voltage drop has had to do with wrong wire sizing for the loader and or distance and or bad contacts.
@godgameplay2361
@godgameplay2361 4 жыл бұрын
Sir how can we know that the neutral from transformer is weak or strong?plz reply me🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
@Gabrielr8
@Gabrielr8 4 жыл бұрын
very interesting multi-meter you have there!
@alexanderdesfosses
@alexanderdesfosses 3 жыл бұрын
Its way more than a multimeter its an installation tester tho the test he did in the opening scene you can perform the same test with a basic multimeter like a fluke 117
@IceyJunior
@IceyJunior 5 жыл бұрын
How do we calculate voltage drop for ring circuits of numerous DC motors? Not sure if you get my question or not.
@IceyJunior
@IceyJunior 5 жыл бұрын
Something like 10.58 but additional lines for live and neutral, and loads are equally distributed along the loops.
@dustincjsaunders
@dustincjsaunders 8 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I thought only the current flow in ampere would change in a parallel circuit. So there's a voltage drop as well, cause the cable resistances are in a serial circuit. I didn't expect such an impact on the voltage with indoor house wiring in comparision to outdoor transmission lines.
@mfteast
@mfteast 5 жыл бұрын
The Copper resistance is constant! or changes as per size or length changes!??
@massiveq8
@massiveq8 6 жыл бұрын
Great and nice video .... What is the purpose of that dreaded power cord ?
@jwflame
@jwflame 6 жыл бұрын
It's like that because it was made from 3 individual test leads, neater than having the 3 separate wires.
@Bodragon
@Bodragon 5 жыл бұрын
I was just wondering, are those individual mains conductors, going into the Fluke, double insulated?
@jwflame
@jwflame 5 жыл бұрын
Yes they are - both the 4mm plug and the wire is marked with the double insulation symbol. Rated Cat III, 1000 volts, and 20 amps.
@littleElmimo123
@littleElmimo123 3 жыл бұрын
How did you discover the house with the voltage drop? Ie did your customer report problems, if so what were they experience that resulted in a call out? (Was it flickering lights or something worse) Also I love your videos. It’s cleared up so much in my head about how stuff works!
@jwflame
@jwflame 3 жыл бұрын
Kitchen light wasn't working - an older type fluorescent tube with magnetic ballast. Would work perfectly some of the time, and at other times it wouldn't stay on due to the low voltage.
@Reverend-Rodger
@Reverend-Rodger 3 жыл бұрын
So are all of the resistances all just additive and not multiplicative? I mean all of the components become parts of the load essentially.
@jeancarolus276
@jeancarolus276 7 жыл бұрын
JW you the best man keep it up!!!!!
@davidstone921
@davidstone921 8 жыл бұрын
Great video, as are all those that you have produced. As an aside, is that a Hammond T- series organ in the background? I have one that I am currently rebuilding, - great sound. Keep up the good work.
@jwflame
@jwflame 8 жыл бұрын
+David Stone It's an M series from the 1960s, all valve/tube amplifiers.
@chriscardwell3495
@chriscardwell3495 6 жыл бұрын
John - Would you like to comment on a street, where say most owners had electrical cars, which were charged from midnight to 6 AM. Would the voltage drop be significant? Would the mains supply be overloaded? Would the street need rewiring?
@jamesward9570
@jamesward9570 Жыл бұрын
Thanks john
@benharris2217
@benharris2217 8 жыл бұрын
Very interesting.I look forward to your videos.
@DerekHundik
@DerekHundik 6 жыл бұрын
Thats why so many appliances failing after some time. They can't work on less voltage. Whats the actuall ratio allowed for some devices to work properly.
@Mark1024MAK
@Mark1024MAK 5 жыл бұрын
1000fantomas - Low supply voltage does not harm the majority of appliances.
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