Job Cuts at GCN + The Bike Industry’s Sneaky Marketing Tactics - The Wild Ones Podcast Ep54

[@geoffnash2609]

A big part of being a coach is not pushing people, but actually reassuring them that rest and recovery is okay. Many riders who reach out for coaching are already competitive and driven. They don't need pushing, they need guidance regarding structure and how to train more effectively. A big part of what I do is fatigue management, stress management and life balance. Most coaches spend more time pulling on the reins than cracking a whip. If a rider has a tendency to get caught up details and go down rabbit holes, then a good coach should keep it simple and incorporate things they enjoy that will allow them to maintain their love of riding. A bunch ride with your mates may not be the most effective training, but if that makes you happy and the keeps rest of your training on track, then it's important to incorporate it into your plan. If you enjoy it, you'll be consistent. If your consistent, you'll improve.

[@cornishalps9870]

I needed reining in after racing a 5 day UCI race and then bike packing home with 47 hours of riding over 2 weeks wanting to race the week after

[@jamesmckenzie3532]

You can get accountability by having a fellow rider who watches what you do on a daily/weekly basis. They can be the one who says "Isn't today your no bike rest day?" If you are at the end of your knowledge and aren't improving, then get a coach, be it virtual or in real life. But set expectations. Be realistic as well.

[@robglysen]

GCN+ was £40 for the year. It was all we ever needed. : (

[@a1white]

Yeah their maths are WAY off. I’m not subscribing to Discovery+, at more than double the price (if it is £7 a month) for a whole load of crappy programmes I don’t want, just for racing (and you’ll still not get the excellent GCN documentaries)

[@gabrielmazza7923]

it was too cheap to be true, let's be honest - bradcasiting agents are a business, not a charity. Also, if tv subs are so low, either the tv rights are very cheap (meaning races and teams make little to no money off it) or the bradcaster just straight off takes a loss

[@robglysen]

@@gabrielmazza7923 At the time they said it was making money but' The media landscape was changing'. I hope discovery plus pay well for TV rights, but I doubt it.

[@richardMannion-m4b]

Agree. here in the US GCN+ was great value. pretty much every race for $50 a year (especially with a VPN to work around the geoblocks). i haven't signed up for Max yet. The intent was to put the cycling behind another subscription paywall within max - but they haven't done that yet; but don't want to sign up then have another paywall put in place.

[@randysgutful]

It used to cost me $50 Canadian dollars per year. Now to get mostly the same amount of race coverage (but less!) I have to pay Flo Bikes over $200 CAD. GCN+ was the absolute best value streaming service I ever used.

[@brookegravitt4117]

Ok Francis, Emily, and Jimmi - I’ll take one for the team. Next time someone wants you to fly to the Dolomites to review a $10k bike, I’ll go in your place and suffer through the presentations. As a rider and mediocre amateur MTB/cyclocross racer who has had to give tech presentations at conferences for years in my industry ( software ) I’m tangentially qualified ( if you squint ) to deal with the PR wonks. Sitting at booths for days and glad-handing every poor attendee who’s just there for the free booth giveaways gave me the stamina to endure 3-hour pressers. Alternatively, the next time you fly through Atlanta, grab a layover and we can just catch a nice gravel or MTB ride in the blue ridge mountains - the beers are on me. Cheers! Edit: also, this podcast has become my favorite cycling content, along with TraceVelo and Sid&Macky.

[@8rk]

2018 called. It wants the top end bike price of $10k back 🥲

[@paulhugo1623]

Is the goal to support the end users or to support the brands? Frankly, I value your integrity in your cheaper bike reviews…. There are already plenty of GCN’s or others suckling on the industry teet.

[@Avioto]

I don't understand why anyone would buy a smartbike that's completely dependent on one company's software. As soon as the company goes bust you have an extremely expensive paperweight in your house. Please buy one that works on everything folks.

[@dan77773]

I don't even own a bike (and haven't for 20+ years due to living abroad), but I consistently watch your podcast and it makes me want to buy one. Thanks Cade team, always great content.

[@MartinBrown-mb7pz]

Where do you live that you can't own a bike? Must be a living hell!

[@dan77773]

@@MartinBrown-mb7pz saigon. It’s lovely but a little too hot to cycle for my liking - though many do, in fact almost everyone did until 20 years ago. Next big purchase will be a bike.

[@sergeb1207]

Even if I have no intentions of buying top end stuff the reviews of it are really valuable as it points to where the industry is going overall and what can be expected in low to mid end in a few years. This is also why the brands spend so much more on the top end events. It matches the proportion of their R&D spend probably. Designing a new gen Sram Red is vastly more complex and expensive than downgrading the same tech to Force or Rival.

[@galibierfinebikewear]

Ride your bike- wear what you want! love it

[@lawrenceokane1678]

Remember when Emily was occasionally heard but never seen. She must have had about 70% of the screen time today. 😂

[@thephoenixcycle8854]

She has a nice face for tv🙂

[@michaelnewman4302]

99% of your audience don't buy $10k bikes, but 99% of your audience also doesn't buy $1k bikes, either. The top spec bike gets the hype, because below that, it's all about how much of a bike *like* that can we afford in our price range? As for the SRAM point, new tech isn't introduced on a second tier groupset. All the newsworthy advancements roll out on the marquee groupset and then trickles down. Of course there's no big event for "here's this year's second tier groupset featuring last year's top-tier advancements".

[@stanislaogerman3743]

Poor Jimmi ... three days in a five star resort, eating five star prepared meals in the Italian Dolomites and being privileged enough to ride one of the top bikes in the world. You guys are taking hipster to the next level 🤣🤣🤣 Francis' old channel would have taken his subscribers on the journey ... definitely miss the old content.

[@lookpro.rideslow]

Did you listen at all to what they said about the event? The lack of freedom they had? The four hour presentations? The fact that they were still barely able to get video and will put a video together soon? Sounds like you’re annoyed for the sake of being annoyed.

[@phoffen3829]

@@lookpro.rideslow The event is just like any other big promotional event for any other big industry. They put you up, wine an dine you, and then fully expect you to give a good review or buy lots of their stuff. It is up to you. You pay for the trip with your time watching the propaganda. Big deal. Otherwise, buy the bike, do a review, sell the bike. Then you can't complain - except you would, because then you would lose money on the resale. Suck it up if you want to eventually get a free bike to test for a while.

[@faisalqadirabdu]

i think putting 10k bikes in front of people also increases their value for the layman so that the people who buy them can show them off to an audience who knows the value

[@stuartpage5148]

I'm gonna start a drinking game for every time Jimmi says space 😂

[@michaelbauer8778]

Card system for driving issues is also triathlonlike action (:

[@butikitoo6403]

so much sweat was entering my frame through the seat tube bottle cage mounts (screws had been removed)m that ate through the aluminum bottom bracket insert and weakened the frame which resulted in the frame cracking. When i removed the crank to investigate i discovered a pile of salt and a hole in the bb. Much to my surprise cannondale replaced the frame for free!

[@themusette5894]

Ewww, I wouldn't borrow shorts. No sir, never. That's a showstopper. Happened to me once, I just went back home and missed the fun of a road race in driving rain and 2°C.

[@markfrench9004]

Shout out to Graeme Obree. Doesn’t get mentioned nearly enough. What a legend.

[@SiVispacemparabellum045]

Another ridiculous knighthood for another currently competitive athlete. This should have gone to Chris Boardman who has done more for cycling than Hoy Wiggins Cavendish combined.

[@jamesmckenzie3532]

I agree with Jimmy's assessment of ASO. The took a functioning Women's race and binned it. Now we are fighting for scraps of the former race. I think we could bring back the "Tour de France Femmes" in it's former glory as a race before the race.

[@soundninja99]

The only perk I can think of with the zwift bike over a cheap part dedicated to the turbo, is the adjustability.

[@CycleNLincs]

Why are the comments so weird right at the start?

[@axuh382]

Bots

[@bewster7]

Their modelling was top notch 😂

[@QuailFat]

Best podcast ever. I love this channel.

[@daehseo]

I do not understand. Are you expecting all the manufactures of these high-end bikes and their components to hold same level of launch events for their multiple lower-level versions? If I cannot afford these top-of-the-line bikes or components, I will wait until their cheaper versions, which do perform 90% of their more expensive counter parts. Please do continue to review bikes and components which we commoners can purchase. Thanks.

[@USC9210]

Warner Brothers Discovery has a lot of debt they are doing all kinds of to control costs, especially in the sports space. GCN/GCN+ is just an causalty.

[@paulwoodward8265]

Zwift bike will be more quiet than a real bike, because virtual shifting. Also save a bit of space because no front wheel, which would work for storage in my home gym. So overall, it’s an ok product. I have a kickr already, so wouldn’t buy the full package - but I’m interested. Shame about the bars being too wide.

[@renatorocha8274]

Hi guys, do you think you could try and get SAVA to lend you an F20 for review? Would love your take on it as it looks like an insane value proposal right now for 1600£ w/ mechanical full 105 groupset and carbon wheels. Love the show

[@olivierhiers4224]

Hi there, your video triggered several thoughts I had dormant for a while. - first is the price of bikes:what about UCI playing a role that could benefit the industry at large such as a tour bike shall not cost more than 5k€ . So the technological push has to come with a cost effort. Sin the avent of electronic shifting and a the disappearance of mechanical system, cost have gone up - none of the integration have help the cost down - what does the bike industry need to go back into health? I think it is a question that is worth exploring and possibly presented back. There is no value of further consolidation in the bike industry. What about lbs, what about warranties, youth development and so forth. I understand this might be a bit of wishfull thinking but somehow bike and the industry around it have lost the purpose of what is should be. Anyone thank for the video and if someone is up for it I ll join in for a proposal.

[@IanButterworthyyc]

How long does it really require to review a bike? I could do a pretty long-term review in a day or less by one long ride over selected terrain. When I bought my gravel bike, I tried a couple bikes from the shop and it was pretty obvious within 10 minutes which bike was more suitable - mostly the one that wasn’t a 1 By.

[@RubbishGimpy]

Why's everything related to cycling so expensive? I might as well go full blown middle class and take up dressage.

[@randyhale4181]

When's the next episode with Nick, Francis,and Jimmy?

[@Ultegra10SPD]

How to separate dentists from their money. Emily is easy on the eyes though. Miss old channel honestly…kinda like rim brakes (no worries NBD last wk was rim brake). -U10

[@cd66061]

I’d have gone to the back oft the security queue again and drunk most of it before getting back to them! 😉🥴

[@andysteadman8851]

MyWhoosh - under rated - Zwift massively over rated

[@r.d.vaughan4541]

Try the beta of indieVelo as they develop it by listening to their customers unlike Zwift. The most fun program I've used was VirtuPro, specifically the team racing as their physics engine in the 154 bot peloton beats anything I've ever used. The physics engine, alone makes Zwift a total looser. I'm not much for racing (too old) or the other Zwift features and have completely moved to FulGaz simply for the realism and 4K quality.

[@draugmithrin]

I found the software buggy bloatware and unusable, Zwift and Rouvy are in a different league. Find them all too expensive for the amount of time I spend on them, would like a lite user option or pay per ride plan.

[@overland_adventure_nz]

I hope there’s an option for wider handlebars to suit my bike fit with 48 cm or 50cm. I’ve never understood how anyone could write a road bike with such narrow handlebars comfortably. I have had to put up with narrow 46 cm for a number of decades.

[@richardhaselwood9478]

Interesting. I used to ride 44cm, but have gone to 42, and am thinking about 40's. The rule is, very close to the width of your shoulder bones. Bike fit Tuesdays have a number of episodes with James going off at manufacturers fitting much too wide bars for most people.

[@overland_adventure_nz]

Hi @@richardhaselwood9478 that is correct. Despite being only 1.72 m tall my shoulder width is 49 cm. And my wingspan hands to hands or should I say fingertip to fingertip is approximately 1.8 m.

[@jonpoon3896]

I try to match brands off the bike, so I naturally do it on the bike

[@greghawley7852]

And, one wonders why people are considering buying bike components direct from Asia rather than large OEMs. Cut out the middle man.

[@scottmcrobb6937]

Any plans to do more Mountain Bike videos?

[@logojones96]

Curious about the heft BB on that new Dogma

[@mickeywakefield]

fluff up: you were not in Italy, you were in Northern Italy, which is mostly German (Austrian) and where you were, is Ladinish. They speak a micro-language that is indeed very closely related to Latin, and is not mutually intelligible to Italian speakers. There are only three valleys that speak it, two of them being in Switzerland. The cuisine there is also native, and not at all Italian. So - trying to get pasta and pizza there would have been a mistake. Also, re: pescatarianism or vegetarian - its possible, but in those valleys, they were never able to farm effectively, so most of the food is gathered (chestnuts & mushrooms) or is animal origin. In the old days, they would have all starved without goats and cows, who are able to turn grass into meat. Grass is all that grows in abundance there besides trees. (Cheese was a way to store the milk, which was only available in summer.)

[@paulshepherd6311]

Don’t go next time! Get happy team

[@robertcatuara5118]

UCI should just enforce their current sprint rule of changing lanes.

[@JamesMason-i7s]

Ok just say it what bike is it ?

[@danielbliss1988]

Francis's tablet scrawl shows up on screen quite clearly. Jimmi's does not. Have Jimmi use a bolder setting.

[@edlaverack]

A canny Rolex eh lad😅😂

[@chrisibberson9742]

Maybe they should explain how can a bike cost that much or maybe people should think how overpriced these bikes are as customers are paying for these overpriced bikes so these events can be put on.

[@kaltonian]

frell.....sorry i fell asleep after 10mins.....what did i miss....?

[@aloha_from_bradley]

This is now Emily's podcast

[@Ok_Rouleur]

Cade media: can we put our own wheels and frame on your bike to have a faire opinion 😂

[@vrapan]

sorry, too much free time today, multiple riders in a household means adjusting the bike every time, also a bike that you ride will need to be on and off all the time. The handlebars? How important are they when you are not using for their main purposes of steering and you don't need to be reaching brakes mostly? The crankarm length can be an issue for smaller riders but even that probably is not that big of a deal indoors. talking as member of a household with a 5' 11'' and a 5' 3'' rider with one setup that is too big for the smaller rider. The way the chain works is also useful and apparently Zwift have put a coating on the cassette to take into account sweat and apparently does not need lubing for a very long time... but that are claims and untestable until people get them.

[@out_spocken]

kidding? I swapped form a 40cm handlebar to a 38cm and it's changed my world. Not to mention crank arm length. Anyone that takes their cycling seriously enough to buy this should be concerned about the lack of quick adjustability for a multi-use family. Not to mention it would literally be 10x quicker to put my bike on a trainer than adjust all the points I need to with a tool. The fact they didn't put QR and adjustable levers for all the adjust points tells you how badly thought out this entire bike and concept is. Sweat destroys everything lol. special coating that will last a week if you sweat on it. Most people dial in their bike setups to millimetres...and you're suggesting one crank arm length will be fine? I mean if you want to buy it buy it...but don't justify really shit design. Especially for what people are paying for this...and to be locked into zwift...when what I imagine will be a system similar to mobile phone plans where there are multiple types of software platforms and people will just take their 'level' accounts and port them to other systems and change between based on how they feel and price and what their friends are using. Each to their own though.

[@vrapan]

@@out_spocken i'd rather sweat destroys the paint of the zwift ride as opposed to a bike i actually ride in the real world. handlebars absolutely make a difference i changes from 38 to 36 but again on the bike i ride in the real world. How much would it bother me indoors? i currently ride a 42 inside because i have no choice. putting a bike on / off maybe ok even without taking into account the fact that you do cause damage to a bike you ride outdoors but having to commit two bikes and keep them in the house ready to be swapped about when one of us needs to ride indoors it is an issue. I am again not sure how important crank length is indoors absolutely important outdoors again i had to swap my stock 170 to 165. I am not excusing bad design choices i am just saying that there is a portion of indoors riders that find that useful and can be a viable solution to a wahoo kickr at twice the price.

[@out_spocken]

@@vrapan Fair point on the sweat affecting any chain. I guess my issue with the RIDE bike is knowing it's going to be used indoors and all people sweat on an indoor trainer, the fact they didn't put a chain guard above it seems like piss poor design to me. Why wouldn't they? It's not like the bike is cheap. I ride indoors and outdoors and width affects my reach and neck issues. Again...how hard would it have been to have created an adjustable bar for what you're paying for? Anything relevant outside is relevant inside. A good fit is a good fit regardless. I understand different situations for different people. I just think a lot of this bike is badly designed not to mention locking you into having to use zwift so you can't swap and can't use it on another platform..maybe irrelevant. If it was really well designed and thought out I might agree with buying it...but there is so many things I haven't even mentinoed that make no sense about a bike created specifically for zwifting.

[@vrapan]

​@@out_spocken do you really think that 600£ is too much then? Even if the chain is not sweat proof as they say at least i do not ruin casettes and chainrings. Also you can use it with ERG mode platforms (Trainerroad which is what i use) but yes it is there to promote and facilitate new zwifters.

[@out_spocken]

@@vrapan For what is being offered, yes I think the price doesn't reflect the design and offer. A bike that you can quickly (not with a tool) adjust all points required, has a chain protector, has inputs for charing devices, allows you to use the product on other platforms (though I imagine other programs might start coding for this perhaps?) And even then, you have different saddles for different people. I have the same saddle on every bike I own for a reason. I get you can't have an adjustable saddle on these things...but this is the beauty of having a cheap 100 pound bike that is set perfectly to your own fit in every way, vs jumping on a trainer. Even just saddle tilt is noticeable. I actually thought it was a bit more than that so it's not crazy...but it's still, for me, an average designed, expensive frame that still requires you to spend money making it fit correctly. Like I said..far from me to say what people value and can buy, but I think it could have been built much better for what the end goal is for what it costs.

[@bulletprufrodo]

I would buy the Swift bike as I don't want to put a carbon bike on a trainer

[@Aidan-tu4un]

OK… comparing UCI to ASO is an unfair comparison… I think you stand alone (or at least lonely) in liking the UCI

[@k04s4]

Sava carbon 105 12 speed for $2200

[@Philatlondon1]

I'd like to see an assessment of whether a 12 year old rim brake bike would still be competitive in your average club race. Or whether you'd be giving up too many watts.

[@matthewshaw3747]

Cade media still under the thumb of big shoe dryer.

[@PatrickDelorenzi]

120€ Hoodies 🤣

[@slyfondle1885]

Great news for Groenewegen if you only get a yellow card for nearly killing another rider.

[@ryanmichael11]

Lads, will ye ever quit with the GCN bashing... most people that watch your stuff also watch GCN stuff. It is so obvious that you're just looking for move views- if ye had any kop-on ye would ne promoting the stuff GCN do!! (more opportunities for clicks/views)

[@Afrikakorps68]

55:01; In a small area of the Dolomites local people speak "Ladin" not Latin. It is actually a local language, a mix amongst Italian, German and local dialect.

[@jakeydelacakey7698]

The flight???

[@jon65160]

hi team. have you considered dropping the "producer" from Emily's intro. she's clearly an integral part of the team and the "producer" moniker seems to suggest that she't in some way, secondary. .

[@notkaty]

Because Emily is the......producer???

[@LegSpinna]

Amazing how Gordon Ramsay doesn't have a mark on his hands, arms, face........

[@starsandstripes3]

Yeah, it's all a conspiracy

[@Paganiproductions84]

The Canyon team also has the mtb xco team under the collective name

[@johnbienaszii7729]

review used make and model on aggregate at specific price ranges from pinkbik, regional cl and other common online resellers .

[@glennross3083]

Don’t ever say moist

[@Cycle.every.day.]

The first 15mins is gobbledygook, talking in riddles.

[@NoelSlevin]

Remove the bar tape off your indoor bike and you never have a corrosion problem from sweat, because it doesn’t pool and fester any more.

[@stickler6312]

Or use a towel ,or wear gloves.

[@SecwetGwiwer]

35:20 Actually, the whole point of the ban WAS because sitting on a carbon top tube is dangerous, not because the position itself is dangerous.

[@Dov-ux8gk]

Please, please, please stop using the ping (bell noise) between sections. It triggers seizures in my wee dog. Took ages to figure out why she was struggling then.

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

Jimi never fails to demonstrate low class. When will I learn and not click this channel...

[@CoachEarlPlays]

Wait wait wait… the KZbin channel dedicated to a small niche sport only available to affluent people who spend most of their time on the bike or working? Shocking.

[@SpuddyIRL]

Small niche sport ?

[@RachelSchloer]

@@SpuddyIRLCompared to the likes of football and cricket, yes

[@out_spocken]

I see more adults cycling than playing football or cricket. Plenty might watch it....I'd argue more adults cycle than play a sport like cricket or football.

[@ish474]

Look I love you guys and bicycles in general, however, when cyclist say things like cars shouldn't be in cities and everyone should be riding bikes, I always come back to the fact that humans (not just cyclists) always want the world to bend to what makes their life better without considering others. I mean do you want to carry a 50lb ream of paper to the office on your handlebars? Do you want a mom to bring 3 kids under 6 into the city on bicycles with strollers and diaper bags? As cyclists we want people to consider what we need to be safe and happy but we rarely seem to reciprocate that. There are so few people actually trying to fight for a world that works well for everyone and not just their own needs.

[@karlkarlsson6635]

Such a bad vibe in this show, hosts are smug, and focus too much of badmouthing others

[@eduardoschneider2010]

Moist, hahahahah

[@sempi8159]

You are part of the bike industries marketing.... This channel is lost

[@a1white]

The GCN+ subscription worked out at less than half the price as a Discovery+ subscription over a year- so it was much better value. The Thumbnail with "GCN closing" is a bit childish, and clickbaity, no?

[@jamesmckenzie3532]

Actually, GCNs web site closing is a huge blow to the brand. I expect a major reduction in staff or less "gee-whiz" fluff and more meat like Dan's recent journey.

[@Grunge_Cycling]

It's so nice of the other teams to loan their spare bikes! Sportsmanship is very much alive in cycling.

[@erich8258]

38:00 GCN+ was way cheaper than a comprehensive streaming service, at least in the US; I paid $25 for the year. So buying Max (or Discovery+ in the UK) is a terrible deal by comparison. Why should I pay 5 times as much for junk I'll never watch? For cycling fans, GCN+ was a much better deal.

[@a1white]

Same in the UK, was about half the price of Discovery+. They are way off the mark on that.

[@jrguk]

And Discovery+/Eurosport already included all the cycling content (in the higher price)

[@barneyklingenberg4078]

In all fairness. HBO is not considered junk from an theatrical point of view. It’s not MTV with teen mom and their other dating semi pornographic junk. But I do understand that people don’t wanna pay for stuff they don’t enjoy. That doesn’t mean what they offer is bad value. It just means we want less for less.

[@richardharris8538]

Yeah, I've only watched the cycling on Discovery+, (one of my daughters who lives in the UK got me a subscription), and the rest of their content has no interest for me. I'll have to subscribe to Flobikes for the TDF.

[@sonyvaioboy]

You obviously don't watch Gold Rush, Deadliest Catch etc on Discovery+

[@hananas2]

You guys interested in having a look at the new Specialized Chisel FS? That's probably the most exciting new bike for me in a long time, but I know you guys are more road focused.

[@barneyklingenberg4078]

For me it’s the 2024 Merida Silex. Mohoric won the World championship on the most premium version. But they have exceptional Alu versions of it for very reasonable prices. It’s an extremely versatile bike that looks the part as well. Thick tire clearance, easy but clean cable routing. Mounting points galore. Nice geometry. Just 1 gripe, the old one had a thicker drop bar. Which I preferred over the new slimmer one.

[@rok1373]

Personally I would really enjoy reviews based off of you guys eBay buying 2nd hand stuff. Ranging from 1-5k for example. Of course it is difficult to do and is such a wide range of bikes available. But you could do it based on what you guys specifically would buy, what you look for, and a review on how to find the right things. I know it is a minefield, and what suits me won't suit the next person. But seeing how you guys would browse the market and identify possible bargains....for me would be really interesting

[@xuchenglin6256]

It's a shame that I love that GCN website quite well. Reading is a lot faster when you just want to get that same amount of information. What takes 10 minutes on a video would usually just be 2 on an article. It's like a transcript but better organized, and it's almost 1-1 to their video counterpart. Video has it's limitation but monetialization is just better -- you can't show a "how to ride a bike" video without an actual bike and all the kits -- all of this allow for much greater brand exposure, especially if you measure that exposure and impression by time. Just yesterday I was wondering why their website directly redirects to their YT channel, when I was searching for some aero testing stuff. Thought it could be just a technical glitch. Information in the video is a lot harder to search and consumes a lot time to find what you need. It's just a shame that we have to stand that loss.

[@LUCYDIAMONDBOXER1]

All Bike industry is: 20% Taiwan/ Chinese factory - 80% Marketing buzzwords and BS. With a sprinkle of gullible buyin from cyclist swallowing it.👍....you know im right

[@barneyklingenberg4078]

As someone from within the industry. I know your numbers are way off. But yes most parts are made in Taiwan/Southeast Asia. Frames mostly by Giant and lesser extend Merida. (Which both do an really good job) Shimano parts are usually made in Japan.

[@cooltwittertag]

​@@barneyklingenberg4078except for meridas own bikes, which are too expensive for the quality of manufacturing.

[@out_spocken]

I love how the quiz prompts discussion points!!! Well done Em!!

[@kevinderung8524]

the zwift bike is exciting to me as an easy way to share an account with my wife who is different sized than i, we currently need 2 different bikes and install them for whoever is riding onto the kickr...$1200 for all the gear is very price competitive for everything you get.

[@rob-c.]

It’s basically a medium sized bike with adjustable seat and handlebar height. You could do this with a normal bike, quick release seat clamp and an adjustable stem.

[@MrLaGa31]

Most of the audience don't want reviews of 1k bikes they are boring. Hyper Bikes are cool and if I can't afford it I still want to see how cool it is. Also Mid to high end bike reviews is the largest market (middle class). I wouldn't listen to noisy minorities that like cheap bikes on KZbin.

[@alethearobinson8132]

Thanks for another fun video. I agree. Wear "whatever" you like to ride a bike. I used to wear kit when I was young. Now that I am a lumpy, old lady 😂, and ride gravel, I wear comfortable cloths. Don't even clip in, went to flat pedals. Keep up the good work. Cheers. 🌞🚴‍♀️🖖

[@MrGlenn442]

Emily's eye shadow game is on point.

[@press2108]

Are you always talking this negative about everything. 🤔

[@JeremyDawesJezweb]

Fascinating. The machinations of big bike brands wooing the media. Helps to explain how $2000 bikes end up costing $10000.

[@out_spocken]

All brands do it. It's literally marketing 1.01. Create a (positive) emotional response. it's why so many people buy so much stuff they don't need. We don't need most of the stuff we buy...and the stuff we do need we don't need the best of or brand names. It's all about desire.

[@janemf]

do you ever get bored of complaining about bikes that are more expensive than you prefer

[@buzzman4860]

And don't forget all the free bikes for influencers that raise the cost for the rest of us.

[@out_spocken]

@@janemf imagine if no-one complained lol just shut up and accept everything?

[@joekawasaki]

​@@janemfI wish they'd recognize that whining isn't going to change prices, but is making comment sections annoying for the rest of us.

[@andikcraig]

IMO i think you should take all the press trips you are offered. The video on the Dogma was great also it would be cool to VLOG the trips. E.g. Seeing Jimmy react to a stuffy 8 course meal would be great content! 😂

[@Captain_Ron618]

Hard to believe now, but in the pre-Lance Armstrong era people hated the UCI for unannounced drug testing.

[@barneyklingenberg4078]

They have never seen someone take it apart?! For god’s sake. The main gripe people have with these clean bikes is how hard the small things can be. And honestly pinarello did some real clever engineering at the headtube. I’d be really proud to show that off.

[@wuzihuzi]

The transfering of levels seems so dumb. If i have played skyrim and maxxed out my character and then go to fallout I don't want my levels transfered because levelling up is the fun.

[@stickler6312]

It's a great idea

[@hippo71124]

I find the Zwift Ride makes a lot of sense. I am in a family of 4, but I am the only one in the family that actually rides outdoors. Whereas the other 3 are not inclined to do that, and there's no way we'd keep 3 more bikes at home that won't be used, regardless of how cheap it is. So having a 'cheap' alternative that lives on the turbo and can be adjusted is great to get them exercising. I think if you consider this product from a non-avid cyclist stand point, then it works.

[@zoltanpataki]

I started to listen to the podcast on Spotify, stopped it for switching to youtube, but it wasn't posted yet... I might as well listened the whole thing on Spoti, but I will search the video for the pictures 🙂

[@robbchastain3036]

Y'all are cycling rock stars, so enjoy the backstage treats and airport shuttles and scenic rides! And I grin but honestly, just the show and tell about all of this is enjoyable, not sure anything really rides on it, no pun intended, and Emily nailed it with the window shopping comparison.

[@Gixer750pilot]

Cade media < wants to be thought of as a serious cycling media channel, gets invited to a big launch , and act like amateurs . Let them wine and dine you !!! It’s the industry you aspire to be part of

[@pancaked7777777]

For example the Lauf Uthald Ultimate w sram red is 6k w same frame and force for 4700. Another is the Helios A9X w Dura ace for 4500 or A8X w ultegra for 3800! There is a lot of opportunity for the mere mortals in this area of smaller companies that go direct to customer, decent quality frame w off the shelf but higher tier components for literally 50% of the cost. But all the attention is on the pinarello dogma f me

[@hkp9257]

In the low/midrange market of bikes, the wheelset is an important part of the equation. Oh that bike has ultegra and the other one has 105. for sure the ultegra for the same price is better. But what if there is a solid dt swiss wheelset with a good freehub mounted on the 105 bike? On the other hand, especially on the cheaper bikes, a short segment when you test them with a 'good' wheelset would also be great. e.g. As a beginner you will be fine with that wheelset, and after an year you can upgrade your wheelset for 500€ and get an really great bike. On the other hand I would appreciate if you put some decent tires on them for the test.

[@cooltwittertag]

Feel like we have different understandings of low/midrange if yours includes ultegra and dt swiss

[@hkp9257]

​@@cooltwittertag My point was that I would rather have a bike with 105 and a solid set of wheels (eg alu dt swiss) instead of ultegra with reallly cheap wheels. And for sure Iam talking non DI2. You used to get a aluminium Radon R1 Disc Ultegra for ~1800€ and the 105 for ~1500€ What is low/midrange for you?

[@sand9577]

Watch a cycling stream is like watching grass grow. In my own flawed opinion, cycling isn't really a spectator's sport: "Oh look that guy pedalled! Woah he did it again!" Two hours of that.