Jocko Podcast 306: Don't Let Your Mind Get Stuck. On The Psychology of Military Incompetence Pt.4

[@briangoodwin8887]

Dave is a great addition to the team. He is also emotionally and socially intelligent enough (and a team player) to be value added as a third, and not as a second to Jocko. Echo is critical to this podcast, and you gotta make sure his voice is not moved aside. He provides the balance, humor, and intangibles that makes this podcast from good, to epic.

[@MrVaher]

I think Echo also adds the need for Jocko and Dave to keep things in terms the layman will understand. I'm positive that if it were only Jocko and Dave they would devolve into military acronyms and lingo that would be lost on the average listener. Echo keeps it even.

[@oliverjamito9902]

WHAT IS YOUR WAY MY KINGS AND PRIESTS!

[@vexion637]

Couldn't say it better 💪🏽

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[@huwguyver4208]

Just discovered this channel. I'm not from a military background myself, but I still find Jocko really insightful, nuanced and interesting to listen to. It's a mark of a great communicator when they can talk about a topic in such a way that people who aren't from that field can still get a lot food for thought from it. Dave and Charles are really good speakers too.

[@IanWrigleyNZ]

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[@freshkupfitness]

Great series! You could literally exchange the word “military” for the “law enforcement” leadership and be spot on.

[@bennybologna1471]

These recent podcasts on failed government leadership. Jocko popularity is through the roof. Recently announced Jocko Live tour. Could this be testing the waters for a political career? We can only hope. See you in Austin, Jocko!

[@Machiones]

Jocko > Pinochet

[@callumgill7019]

@@Machiones almost every leader in history > Pinochet

[@TheBrick534]

@@raisedonmetal7984 I think it’s telling though of the state of our current government that the one’s who’s should stand up and do so resoundingly say no. Realistically, with a government filled with fools, liars and cheats, to be able to do any good as a genuinely solid human being is next to impossible. Not quite there, but you’d be facing insurmountable odds. I genuinely believe we’re at a pivotal point in history where nations which once stood mighty and proud will crumble, just as they have in the past. Our society is filled with debauchery and degeneracy and needs to be renewed. That will only come from the destruction of what currently is. Am I looking forward to it? Absolutely not. But I believe it’s the harsh reality we face in the relatively near future.

[@tantibusking7095]

Jocko/Rocko 2024 !!!

[@mariojorge9529]

Thank you very much!

[@froschkenig]

Man, "IF you are so smart, why aren't you winning?" - The question I should have asked myself from age 14 onwards xD

[@coralgrant3739]

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[@cdoedayn]

I love the different perspectives of these three.

[@alanostermiller4711]

"Mission First, Men Always" is what my first infantry platoon sergeant, SFC Gary Valdez of the 3rd Herd, A Company 100/442 GO FOR BROKE taught me. This worked for 30 years in the infantry, it works for life. Mission is priority, Men are values. Values don't change, priorities do. Rifle 6-OUT.

[@DemetriPanici]

*”Do the difficult things while they are easy and do the great things while they are small. A journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step.” - Lao Tzu*

[@jizzio82]

As others have said, Good Deal Dave is an excellent addition to the team. Love all you guys. Keep up the great work. I have learned so much over the years from this podcast.

[@nickwalker7736]

I was stationed in Yuma, Arizona attached to a Harrier Squadron in the late 80s/early 90s and our Squadron SgtMaj use to make us rake the sand outside of the barracks. Good times!

[@Louis-bs7ns]

Dave is the man

[@CaseyBurnsInvesting]

If you’ve never been in you’ve never experienced directly the toxic military leadership traits. It’s so real unfortunately 😂

[@mindsetmotivation9124]

I'd love to enlist but yes have never experienced this first hand.

[@deborahcooler8392]

Toxic leadership is everywhere, to the smallest details given here. Lives are lost, fortunately not to the degree in military endeavors, but yes lost, disabled, damaged, financial ruin, etc.

[@cdrtej]

@Cashanova Persona and the wannabes who never made it in in the first place. Thise f#cks with a Hollywood perspective on military leadership

[@rgectvla2695]

Military leaders will use this saying. Beating will continue until morale Improves. Most of the reason why people don't reenlist is due to horrible leaders and the many mandates that the unit has.

[@notjaydanbhooshan93]

I burst out laughing when Jocko went from number 4 to number 12 hahaha. 15:15 Back to the book.

[@ayara8157]

Good Deal Dave is here alot. Not that I'm complaining!

[@MSCookingRecipes]

Do what you have to do until you can do what you want to do.

[@DemetriPanici]

*"Start where you are. Use what you have. Do what you can." - Arthur Ashe*

[@michaeldavid6832]

I'm in a STEM profession, and I've been in an artist professionally as well. One universal in both fields is that the "smartest" guy is never the best at delivering efficient results in time and under budget. Raw intelligence can be an impediment to pragmatic problem solving. Some problems require trade-offs which are inelegant. The Achilles heel of highly specialized intelligent people is that they desire consistency and elegance. But in the midst of a constantly shifting environment of computational problems (STEM) or indecisive art directors (art) the messy workaround achieves the deadline at the best looking end result. But it's a spectrum. Low short term costs usually yield mission critical long term failures. In programming, it's called "technical debt". It's when your quick specialized solution achieves a fast deadline but as iterations of similar problems interact with that code, each new problem requires an exception for a new special case. Eventually, the code becomes so unmanageable that changing one component requires updates to a vast unending string of dependent spaghetti code. If you only have one problem to solve one time and you know it will never be revisited then the specialized solution is fine. But if your code is part of a larger system, the more specialized the code, the more you have to revisit it for each new case. Eventually, the system becomes useless because of the man hours and technical know-how it requires to update dependencies makes delivery impossible. The failure creeps up exponentially. The first case is easy, so are the 2nd-4th. But the 5th case takes 2x the work of the 4th, and the 6th takes 4x the work of the 5th. The 7th special case yields system failure because it can't be accommodated in the allotted time. The judgement of the coder is in imagining the typical use cases in the near future and coding for those classes in the general case. There are always trade-offs. Intelligence isn't the difference between good programmers and great ones, imagination is. You have to be able to step into the mindset of your users and project how they'll interact with the system most of the time. Another problem of "geniuses" is that they don't document their code worth a damn. Their code is barely maintainable at all because you have to visually parse their code to understand what each function does. They also write code in a style which is quicker for them in their first version but utterly unmaintainable over time -- by them or anyone else. They don't code in a way which is beneficial for a team. I've met some genius coders but they always have shortcomings which make their work of less utility when it's placed among a team of developers or technicians who must update or configure the system.

[@IanWrigleyNZ]

Don't let perfect get in the way of good.

[@Texasfinestbobby]

Really love riding in to work and listening to the pod cast... wished I had a better paying job so I could sub to the pod cast and buy merch... but I get the best of it on Spotify... thank you for these morsel of leadership and encouragement 🙏

[@IanWrigleyNZ]

I agree. Early morning lifting, then the drive to work with a podcast instead of music. Sets your day right

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Use the principals you learn here to get to where you need to be

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Boom. Strapping in.

[@Cambomb360]

2:34:39 I want to see Jocko go head to head with a representative from Monster Energy drinks. All Jocko will need is a few sentences to win that war

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Damn been waiting for this part 4!!! INCREDIBLE CONTENT GENTLEMEN,

[@marshallbocks9296]

This is nearly a mirror image of a description of modern Union trades as workers Americans tradespeople we need this education

[@devon8977]

"what you heard on those was basically the setup" it's been like 9 hrs in total

[@IanWrigleyNZ]

merely a flesh wound

[@billallengo]

Origin work wear. Not only boots and jeans but we also could represent with high visibility shirts. Thin material. 🚪🪓🦍🇺🇸.

[@jussim.konttinen4981]

Few years ago, I read about the most egregious example of military incompetence. Someone’s wartime mission was to be a driver for a Brass band, like back in the 18th century. As if they were needed in a war zone. They probably planned organizing a parade in Moscow.

[@majorfusskill7838]

A lot of lessons can be learned from "Word Were 1".

[@defenderofwisdom]

I learned something new! Manipulate, like pontificate, has the same negative connotation. I always assumed manipulate had the one fixed meaning, as in, flip a switch. Manipulate = move. Not so, when manipulation is a matter of influence it is derogatory in the sense that it refers to unscrupulous, unfair and clever influence.

[@travisboothe5670]

This would be a good excerpt 32:03 to 36:13 "Open your mind to new ideas"

[@froschkenig]

"I don't want dirt. So I create a system that repells the dirt, I don't allow dirt in my system. This is actually not what you want. You want someone that goes: Yeah, it's gonna get dirty here. We should create a system that says: It's gonna get dirty here? No worries, we can handle the dirt." I am bit paraphrasing - but the whole segment about attracting exactly the wrong people is profound.

[@MathieuLamarche]

Sinking in the choke, Sinking in the choke, Sinking in the choke, BOOM! Spilled my drink all over my keyboard

[@cdrtej]

MEANINGWAVE EXISTS!

[@travisboothe5670]

4:40 to 17:06 might be a good excerpt. "Military incompetence involves"

[@Dillonmac96]

“The crux of the origin of bullshit.” I can’t wAit to use that on someone lmfao

[@travisboothe5670]

25:02 to 32:00 "leadership requires more than Intelligence." might be a good excerpt.

[@matthewstuart2054]

Flying a plane into the ground in cloudy conditions: cumulus granitus

[@Sarge80]

Wish Jocko would invite Clint Romesha.

[@HAYDENBURDGE1]

happy veterans day!

[@rozy2cool]

Listening to these points, I know I'll be revisiting this podcast to relate it to BJJ. The predilection for frontal assaults sounds like my first months on the mat.

[@rozy2cool]

Right after I wrote this "the Jiu Jitsu people just cheered" 😂😂😂

[@benpekarek382]

1:06:38 I tell myself "the more I smoke the faster I die"

[@behindthen0thing]

Great episode. Just watched the whole thing.

[@stevenmoore1170]

Just like the book “Once an Eagle” by Anton Meyer

[@justanothergrunt9053]

5:17 the problem arises when politics and previous academic certifications override actual qualification of leading the welfare of soldiers. This is when shit goes under the rug. I have not been in for long but I know and have seen how this plays out and it is scary at times. It’s like killing the queen ant in a platoon and trying to appoint a leader. Luckily, in most situations in the past a soldier will lead his platoon to victory. There are a lot of dead queens for the army now. Edit: NCO’s lead the chain.

[@travisboothe5670]

1:00:12 to 1:04:46 Would be a good excerpt. Pontificate!!!

[@frankeastwood722]

The reason for all the bullshit in the Marines, is that we simulate the stress level in war.

[@AngryOscillator]

Pontificating = Preaching, particularly in a self righteous way or with exaggerated sense of importance Pontiff = The Pope

[@y4buckingbulls485]

I love this and believe that it is spot on. But I would like for you to consider (not sure consider is the right word) the difference between special operations leadership and regular forces?

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[@GrooveSchoolRecs]

Whats brand of the shirt Jocko is wearing I want one?!

[@travisboothe5670]

I think mango is the more popular flavor because of Echo's video. You might need to get echo to do a video for Jocko Palmer.

[@9soccerplayr]

what was the word good deal dave used to call someone that moves the needle and gets things done in episode 305-307

[@cdrtej]

You know the author has a lot of good points, but the more I listen the more I think his book is about him exorcising his own demons.

[@vincemcmahonreadskoran3120]

I have see military background aside from family members in the service.Even if the author is exorcising his demons, I’m finding the psychological insights around the 1:20:00 markhelpful.

[@cdrtej]

@@vincemcmahonreadskoran3120 I'm wondering if his dad was the Great Santini. Guy writes a book on authoritarian parents raising broken military leaders, but nothing Googles up about his childhood in UK between the wars.

[@USALibertarian]

What is the correlation of time in team sports (controlling for physical athletic ability) to performance in special forces?

[@claudialsmith2996]

Study done Study enemy.

[@brandileigh6818]

Cover the book Search For Enemies please. Thank you. 😁

[@davidblack8174]

Saint Jocko, all those damn miracles 🤣

[@claudialsmith2996]

Not all officers. And many many perks in retirement.

[@defenderofwisdom]

Is there a sense in which this discussion implies a need to reduce points of childhood anxiety? Humans end up all sorts of ways for all sorts of reasons as you pointed out. But if a major source of military incompetence is the way in which past traumas bias future decision making towards bullshit, then logically it makes sense to ensure people have fewer childhood traumas such that they are ready to apply a better decision making ability to future stressors, especially war ones? It could be said "we need to be better adapted to stress" but therein lies my point. Bad adaptations to stress are often a result of experiencing too many traumas relative to the person. Since trauma is relative, it's not enough to assume that if every child has xyz legitimate adaptation strategies that they will all adapt the same to stressors, you will still need to make sure there age the right balance of stressors such that they do not disrupt the later life psyche. The other thing is these bullshit adaptations are essentially maltreatments of anxiety problems. So another point could be that getting rid of the adaptation without replacing it with a better adaptation may increase anxiety and reduce decision making quality even more. From bullshit to panic, for example. Whereas you want to get to the third place: quality decision making. You could finally say "we don't want people with these neuroses at all" and sure, but you also want a sizeable enough force. You don't want to lower the bar too far as has been pointed out through Vietnam. But you cannot set the bar too high intellectually for example. It could be most very calm people don't want to be destroyers in the way this discussion implied most people smart enough to build things don't want to be destroyers either. After all, the system that handles fear and anxiety is responsible for the will to fight. Without that system there is no fight. Do calm people (and not merely those who give the facade of it) typically want to get in fights and kill people?

[@patient_6925]

" Miltary is a bit communist... a bit a socialist..." you dont see that as a major fucking problem!?!

[@hogandonahue9598]

Just 250 episodes till episode 556! I wonder if they will do anything special lol

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Almost at .308!

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[@chrisstewart7078]

...if a horse spoke to ya and said ..."really, all it is about is scratching the dog to that stretch"... what is grounding? The dream or reality?

[@tillman40]

I have a brainiac book smart woman who couldn’t solve a complex problem quickly to save her life

[@tillman40]

Ask Russia how the young generals worked out vs Finland

[@Belznis]

Realized Mac from always sunny in philadelphia sounds sometimes like a bad and unprofessional version of Jocko. But on a serious note, some of the things were good knowledge that can be applied for daily use.

[@defenderofwisdom]

Also, there is an interesting contradiction in the content of the book nad the interpretation given as it revolves around directness/indirectness and honesty/dishonesty. The logical fallacy is a problem of induction. The author specifically loaths *frontal assaults.* But he also loaths *lying to the troops to improve morale.* He upholds the notion that a reasoned and well researched argument and honest disclosure is best. Jocko interprets this as justifying his view that deception is better than direct honesty because he generalizes the author's loathing of frontal assaults to a general loathing of direct action whatsoever. Yet concurs that lying to improve morale is wrong. Jocko famously avoids taking absolute positions. So Jocko, when pressed, will often rely on the "not always! Sometimes, but it depends..." clause. Yet here he contradicts himself by wanting to tell the truth that hurts to the troops, while wanting to deceive, be indirect and avoid telling a straightforward truth or argument. The end result is probably that deception is most useful against an enemy and directness towards a friend. But this brings into question whether or not your boss is a friend or enemy, when deception isn't appropriate and when directness is in fact honourable and right. Usually not when approaching a machine gun position. But usually so when the friend deserves the truth. Colleagues and bosses are the inbetween place.

[@AngryOscillator]

Behold! the dichotomy of leadership 🙌

[@ExiledSpiritunderground]

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Nice

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Why hide!!!!! Beloved, CAN I LOVE THEE!,

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Love 💘

[@jamesharris184]

Dr. Jordan Peterson speaks to this issue time and again. But u guys nailed it. It's different skill sets and some of them r measurable, others not so much. Elon Musk said one of the bigger mistakes he has made time and again is relying on people's intellectual horsepower as opposed to their personalities. To the latter Point, his company has a no a****** policy; they fire ass holes. His words. To yr point if u r so smart why aren't u winning... Account for Kamilla Harris who was polling at less than 1% in her own party and is now Vice President....How to u account for Sleepy Joe, is he honestly the best America has to offer? Account for American military superiority and what happened to them at the hands of a stone-age military in Afghanistan? How did the Taliban win where the US failed.... clearly the most intelligent people are not always in power. There is always room for the inexplicable, and incompetent.

[@R0mans13]

Go back to bed Jocko…dammit

[@fdvboldhjbfv8791]

Again, love it, but that’s a bad interpretation of Freud’s work my guy.

[@oliverjamito9902]

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Cmon my guy cover another great book or bring on some interesting guests. Went from listening all the time to not at all! Still love you guys but let’s mix it up!!

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