Jodi Dean - Communism or Feudalism?

[@k525rebcsi]

CLASS SNUGGLE

[@MK0118]

Who else got here via Trueanon? The lady is a great speaker!

[@NaseerJohnstonTheMuslim]

The problem is that communism in practice is the same as feudalism as it tends to be highly hierarchical with wealthy farm bosses and factory managers inevitably finding ways to consolidate wealth and become new feudal lords

[@fellowtraveler2251]

Excellent talk. Very insightful.

[@aweirdredguy3885]

Hi!

[@rballen420]

Since Oct 7 , I see Dr Dean as the only theorist left standing, since I used an unholy alliance of Jack Barnes, Jodi Dean, Nina Power and Chris Cutrone, Amazingly I did pretty good union work with these diverse touchstones!

[@bostanistanbul3304]

very enlightening. however, feudo-capitalism would be a better terminology to use than neo-feudalism. also for reaosns given by her.

[@innergi5516]

Ot is highly like that two things will dominate this century. The fall of capitalism & the rise of something new we cant imagine yet.

[@archiveofearlyhumandigitality]

29:00 Quite apt to state this at such a festival of "cool, urban, experimental" music

[@vonvon3104]

3 min and I'm urged to aknowledge her genius

[@sunilram3968]

Communism can also be feudalism just like what happened in dprk

[@captivatingcurios]

This was brilliant

[@klarakrok]

Jodi Dean Her message At Brazilian Left Fight Facing Crescendo of Fascism

[@johannesbakker4330]

Each of the terms used by a theorist need to be disambiguated. She is using the word "Feudalism" in an ahistorical manner. She is also not really clear on what she means by the end of Capitalism. It is a matter of disambugated very ambiguous terms. When they are ambiguous it is hard to comment at an academic level. It may be good rhetoric, but it is not good academic analysis. The idea of Modern Capitalism started in the 16th century and was in a sense a product of Feudalism versus what came before that. I would be interested to know what version of Feudalism she is really talking about. Umberto Eco's ideas are much more sophisticated than what Jodi Dean is saying here. Medieval societies were very diverse (e.g. the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth). Maybe she really means Billionaire Oligarchy rather than what most historians call Feudalism. Corporate agriculture is NOT Feudal; it is modern capitalist, and a mixed bag. High Tech and Finance are not Feudal (in the commonly understood way of the use of that term). The "Feudal Worldview" is an idea that needs to be made much less ambiguous. Is she mainly thinking of the USA today?

[@crakermac3818]

I would say that the problem of lack of home ownership and private property is more from the changing of family structure. Boomers rely on social security, instead of thier family. Which requires more housing for boomers to live independently. Surging divorce rates leads to needing 2 homes instead of one. If these two things were removed available housing would increase by 2/3rds Edit: actually when you factor in divorced boomers that rare would be higher.

[@_d2082]

That contributes to the problem, for sure, but your 2/3 statistic is definitely off. That statistic relies on EVERY family being divorced with 2 houses, plus one or two for the boomers, which is not the case. It for sure contributes but I wouldn't say it is the main cause.

[@crakermac3818]

@@_d2082 50% of marriages end in divorce and is on the rise. 2/3rds is not 100% I said that if parents moved back in with kids and people stayed together we could easily, increase the houses available, by 2/3rds Possibly more, but probs not. If those 50% stayed together that alone is a 25% increase in housing

[@MrApplewine]

The whole point should be that it is a false dislchotomy to only be able to choose between communism or corporate feudalism or fascism. We need to address what is wrong with the world today by coming up with a system which is none of these bad alternatives.

[@neuemilch8318]

sooo how do you imagine it?

[@duffdingelmeyer7101]

Organize production to meet needs through democratic ownership of the means of production. This is all communism is. It's a no brainer.

[@unreliablenarratorz2772]

^guy thinks he can invent something better than the wheel for carts😂

[@thoughtsurferzone5012]

Sorry. The future is a resource based economy, technology trumps labor.

[@Cooliofamily]

Resources are finite. This type of economy isn't sustainable.

[@neuemilch8318]

i agree because we already life in it. 2 questions How do we divide power How do we divide recourses

[@_d2082]

@@Cooliofamily And we will abuse them until they are gone.

[@HD-mp6yy]

Well yes, but actually no

[@x00p3]

Communism or Feudalism. Neither.

[@torquiloers3966]

I don't want to live under communism or Neo-fuedalism, I want my American individualism back.

[@williampepper7709]

Your American individualism led you here

[@neuemilch8318]

why not both

[@ianperfitt]

American Individualism is a lie. Look closely.

[@forevershampoo]

@@williampepper7709 rather the exploitation of that individualism

[@lepistanuda]

Your American Individualism was always a lie, a single use plastic, a piece of bubble wrap to separate your from the world and its many others

[@jeffwhite3309]

This speaker is an academic scholar? No wonder college enrollment is dropping.

[@scrimblybringlesnatch7485]

grilling time is over, boomer

[@neuemilch8318]

ha and I thought it was because nobody in your hellhole of a country can afford to study anymore.

[@brunogantz7908]

Is this your actual name or your ideology, Mr. White ?

[@ryanjohnson8933]

Theoretical word salad.

[@bigollameo]

So you didn't understand it.

[@Everyman777]

I was wondering where I'd heard this style of talk before, and then I remembered - this is exactly how astrologers sound.

[@ahartley3529]

There is no capitalism versus anything else. All there is is universal human economic behavior, defined as the exchange of goods or services or labor for more of the same. All there is is how it’s going to be regulated, under what over arching philosophy: less regulation or more regulation.

[@never-walk-alone]

No lmao. Read marx

[@ahartley3529]

@@never-walk-alone I’ve read Marx, maybe before you were born… and I’m laughed out already. Marxists need to read their own messiah’s books before they lecture others. Better yet… read something else…

[@never-walk-alone]

@@ahartley3529 if you actually read marx you would understand that the movement towards communism is in dialectic conflic against capitalist. the theory that Professor dean posits is that society is currently progressing toward re-amplifying aspects of society that defined feudalism. not really that complicated

[@ahartley3529]

@@never-walk-alone Again I say…. Reread my last post

[@ianperfitt]

Nope.

[@louisetaylor2131]

What cra p

[@leiyang477]

CRAP! I wonder who is endowing that chair she occupies in that College, and who has funded her Cultural Marx indoctrination at Columbia. We do know the Frankfurt School of Marxists established their Stronghold at Columbia University, their Second Weimar Republic is finally coming into fruition against the current Fraudulent Election, openly trying to steal and hijack our Republic and turn it into “professor” Dean’s Communist Fascist distopia. Fortunately for the Republic, the unseen hands who have nutured the Communist Takeover will be exposed and their true intention of enslaving the population and turn the earth into a prison planet will be exposed and they will not be able to walk down the street!

[@frankleninstein]

@@leiyang477 lol

[@bigollameo]

For simple minds, I'm sure it sounds just like crap.