Joe Budden On If Drake's Reference Tracks Affect His Legacy | "Does He Consider Himself An Emcee?"

[@catherineherman7574]

Excuses. Excuses. Moving the goalpost in the Art of Hip Hop. The beauty and the first rule, especially in a battle, is to write your own lyrics.

[@Rayebae738]

Stop making excuses for the boy.

[@BluEx22329]

😂

[@gilfordmccormack8140]

Lol 😂😂😂

[@rtukunbo5185]

Not one excuse was made

[@Rayebae738]

@@rtukunbo5185 yea OK

[@Unnamed-mk9hl]

@@rtukunbo5185 You must’ve clicked on the video paused It and went straight down to the comment section. because if you look at the video, you would know Ice and Ish made every excuse in the world trying to protect Drake

[@michaelc3106]

You cant give Drake a pass to claim to be the greatest rapper, but use reference tracks to get there under the guise of a pop star ! Respect the Art and Culture

[@dashuntas.m4045]

Spot on, they love to point at his commercial success to prove he’s the one but they they don’t acknowledge that it’s his pop stuff that helps him to cross over and get those numbers.

[@KG45Brham]

That part

[@wu71624]

Exactly, they use his commercial success to prove he's the one, but in reality he using ghostwriters for that .

[@leiannb.wrytes8893]

@@dashuntas.m4045Exactly.

[@hiei6335]

Great artist ? Yes. Mc or rapper?no. Hip hop or pop star? yes.

[@johnmpundu8782]

"Them super powers gettin' neutralized, I can only watch in silence"

[@JaysonJigaa]

Just creating a narrative joe is a hater he wanna see drake fall off so bad lol female energy

[@JaysonJigaa]

Yall really think drake can fall off yall stupid no rap artist is bigger in the world maybe in the little areas they be but we talking world wide stop it 50 cent still going on world tours people will walk pass jb and not know who he was in most these places

[@HandMeDeals]

All yall clowns quoting this

[@thydarklight]

*OVHOE’S SAD*

[@jonathanperez1921]

Ya'll drake stans clowns ​@@HandMeDeals

[@Antwanbrown79]

Drake is an actor who can rap. It takes skills to mimick so many different personas and styles. But he is not a MC. His ghostwriters are

[@reggiehughes7577]

Copying another persons homework does not take skill just determination to steal stop this 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@iello_sa]

He still top of the Rap Game Dot has admit it himself he's always been hating The Boy 😂

[@heffechico]

You know better than Joe Budden?

[@CJ_P]

​@@heffechico I think he forgot that Joe Budden at one point was one of the best mcees in the game lol

[@jacobisaac9934]

​@@reggiehughes7577then you do it

[@blackjuice5092]

IF HE'S NOT WRITING HE CANT BE THE BEST!

[@SeanJonhDiddyPop]

Point blink n period 😂

[@blackgoddes888]

FACTSSS

[@Dmm314]

If it’s specific tracks, why not hold the tracks accountable?? Why is it the WHOLE catalog? Is that not grabbing pitchforks for no reason?

[@SeanJonhDiddyPop]

@@Dmm314 because if 1 2 3 4 then 12 tracks are reference tracks then the whole catalog needs to be questioned .. 😕 Point blink n period It's not rocket science here

[@SeanJonhDiddyPop]

@@Dmm314 the dude has a whole album he can make with these reference tracks If you don't write your shit You shouldn't consider yourself a goat or be mentioned in the convos of the greats If you don't know hip hop Then go seat down and go do your homework fam

[@ideozublake8036]

i’ll definitely say this. drake is SOOOOO lucky he came up in this generation that’s for sure

[@YouGotOptions2]

Word

[@nikiedmonds6236]

FACTS 💯

[@MichaelBrown-ti1un]

Very true. '90s to the early 2000s, at least, something like Drake couldn't exist. There were still standards and codes in hip hop, and the streets, not these corporations, still had some say-so in whether an emcee was legitimate or not. None of that is upheld right now, which is why the industry and the music, for the most part, is basically trash.

[@ideozublake8036]

@@MichaelBrown-ti1un facts. plus the current consumers of hip hop are getting younger, attention span getting shorter & they simply don’t care. it’s all about the ‘trending’ sound right now

[@VOLRAK1]

That's nonsense. All thru the history of hip hop there's been Drakes. Let's start with someone like Vanilla Ice and we can then run thru the rosta of industry plants. Aint nothing new under da sun.

[@Kwyzdapo3t]

Drake having writers for his hits is stat padding

[@Big-tj4cr]

It’s lebron-ish

[@StillAwesome21]

​@@Big-tj4cr More Russell Westbrook

[@MitchellelOfGH]

🎯🎯🎯🎯

[@BSmitty4rm8Fitty]

Nothing wrong with stat padding. Nobody wants to be a Jadakiss, Freeway or Joe Budden.

[@pastorbluntaround7701]

Make sure you take Tupac & Jay & Nas off your list too

[@itstopic7973]

Here is the issue. It’s worse when he went and told Lebron he wrote mob ties. That’s the real issue. “YOU LIED”- Kendrick

[@blackthecsr]

Word? When was this?

[@jjordan6066]

Yes when was this ?

[@MoonMoon-fx1op]

​@@blackthecsr when he was on The Shop

[@whattheysayk9558]

Drake fans don’t understand what a MC is and don’t care to know the difference between rap and hiphop

[@dashuntas.m4045]

💯💯

[@Youngxfatal93]

facts, all of his fans dont care about the history, the pioneers, the elements of hip hop none of that . If its sumn they cant pop ass to its trash according to themn

[@shizdakid]

Rap is an ingredient of hip hop. There is no difference. MCs are the “rappers” of hip hop. The master of ceremonies is supposed to be able to “move” the crowd with HIS way with words. Drake don’t come up with his own raps so hes a hip hop fraud

[@richardmack9995]

Omg your not as smart as you think you are just stop

[@91vansuuuu]

as a consumer I don't care what bakery made this bread..I'll always appreciate the people that deliver/brand it....Emcee is such a small box for a global star

[@chosenelite762]

Man, if ya'll don't stop with this cap. Drake is excluded from those conversations about all time, anything! How can you say he can still claim to be the goat with this amount of foolery going on with him?

[@tonelow9337]

So how do you claim Jay-Z to be all time if that’s a position he is on your list. To be if he continue to reference top lines from Biggie.

[@chosenelite762]

@@tonelow9337 did you hear or see me say anything about jay-z?

[@Travelbum3000]

@@tonelow9337 Jay Z never had ghostwriters & doesn’t even write (this is well known & has been confirmed by many in the industry) He took BIG lines yes but it was known he was biting. Drake tried to hide the fact he had writers & had to get exposed & was still trynna claim GOAT status. How you gonna say a guy with writers is better than a guy who doesn’t even write?

[@ThisJustin_87]

Same way R Kelly was claimed to be the GOAT of R&B, Diddy was the best producer in Hip Hop, Harvey Weinstein being the top exec for Blockbuster movies, etc...

[@Travelbum3000]

@@ThisJustin_87 rkelly is not a rapper & Puff said straight up he doesn’t write rhymes he writes checks!

[@kennydyer3034]

Idk how ice and ish don’t consider themselves OVO stans

[@PersonnetaimeGuy]

Ish especially

[@Munki]

To be fair to Ish, he actually did say he can see how emcees be looking at Drake funny with his "I'm the best in the game" talk.

[@carlmac4446]

Them niccas skust!

[@StayHHHydrated]

This dude said Drake has proven he could write at an elite level "WHEN he chooses to". I thought I was watching Joke of the day.

[@carlmac4446]

💯 them niccas comedy!

[@maki9396]

Same. Like he displayed what he's like when no one writes for him 🗑️

[@RCTricking]

@@maki9396The Heart Part 6 is Drake’s non-ghostwritten Magnum Opus 😂😂🤪

[@mopnem]

@@RCTrickingthe heart part 6 was good, don’t let the internet bots fool you, think for yourself. It’s not that it was bad it’s that he chose a tired of it all tone & it was right after not like us. Imagine if kdot only released meet the grahams, 2 or so days later & was also less aggressive. We’d be having a whole other conversation on the winer

[@joshuadaniel1821]

“He’s busy, he be on tour” okay so if that’s the case, his consistency isn’t proving artistry, it proves that it’s a machine. Where there is machine, there is no art. TDE was a business yes, but these cats didn’t put out every year and top wasn’t forcing nobody to do that either.. everybody on TDE is a top performing lyricist, some more than others, but none less, high standard rapping. And rapping, putting word to paper, is the art form of rapping. And the fact that niggas let him get away with it, proves more so the threat of an emcee he is.. we would never let nas, hov, em, or even Kendrick get away with claiming they’re the greatest rappers, yet having other push yo pen.

[@A-Kings-Cut]

🎯

[@issiahzeek3114]

Bro Thank You😂😂😂 All this Goal Post shifting for Drake is crazy…. And I’m a Drake fan!🤦🏽‍♂️ is he a Popstar or rapper? Cuz even Chris Brown says when it’s time to rap, he’s rapping but for Pop or R&B shit he’ll definitely collab with writers! Drake’s a solid athlete but he’s been caught using Steroids and has yet to win without them… hasn’t even been suspended for being caught🤧

[@joshuadaniel1821]

@@issiahzeek3114 bruh that was perfect. An athlete with PEDs. Like if we found out Kobe was juiced up for each ring, it would dim his light compared to someone who may have a ring or two less but played the game straight

[@DMVrepersenter]

Except this is not the case in any other genre of music. It if you really know the business it's not even the true in hip Hop because if it was than having a ghostwriter wouldn't even be a thing 🤦🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

[@iseerashonal821]

Lil Wayne produces masterpieces on his tour bus while busy on tour. He doesn't even got credit. Drake has Stans not fans

[@ldn_vin]

Drake fans really be doing the most to defend him. Logical gymnastics masters.

[@allotheabove123]

Saying that he needs reference tracks so he can drop faster is crazy. I understand he does it to make money but he doesn't HAVE to drop every year. The reason we wait years for other artists is b/c we want to hear what THEY have to say. I hate how waiting for authentic art is portrayed as a negative thing.

[@Wdyrockstar]

His rich baby daddy makes him drop every year. Lucy don’t play !

[@iamdxddyt]

He has to. It's part of his deal

[@keldenrobertson7894]

Yeah that's exactly how I feel. Maybe if he took his time he would make more classic material instead of these trash albums that have no staying power

[@beetheking_7]

Exactly

[@ra-neter6662]

​@keldenrobertson7894 but that's what gave him his powers. Ppl like low quality

[@cantu7214]

it absolutely does. Drake is a karaoke rapper. Not a true MC

[@On1LifeStyle]

Facts

[@koomjorge]

Cap

[@cantu7214]

@@koomjorge cope harder OV-HOE

[@ottersloverclub]

​@@cantu7214drake put kendrick on, never forget

[@virgoenergy6636]

@@ottersloverclubno Dr. Dre did through J Cole’s recommendation. Drake just went on tour with him and Rocky so he could get their audience too just as he has done with Future, Ross, Lil Baby and many others. Aka Colonization! Y’all need to stop the nonsense with that silly narrative!

[@Lyrisin]

“80 percent of his catalogue can be written by others and I don’t hold it against him” is basically what they saying. Never heard any other rapper get this type of leeway. And just cuz he say oh some shit gonna come out about me doesn’t make it any less bad. Like bro know he doin foul shit so he know shit gonna come out 🤣🤣

[@theglowingman2899]

That's my problem, Drake is the only rapper that gets so many excuses and leeway with how their music and success comes to be. A monster was created cause so many let shit slide.

[@dejongrant27]

Maybe, but it wouldn't sell though. Only Drake can make the song's he's made catchy. Just like Kendrick, not like us wouldn't be as good with any other artist rapping it. Like over by Drake, wouldn't sound right with someone else.

[@sanskretro]

I'm not even a hip hop head, but I write songs word for word. Multiple genres. Growing up, we were sold the idea that rappers were unique from other people in the music growing up, we were sold the idea that rappers were unique from other performers in the music industry, because they are supposed to write most if not all of their lyrics. I think we understood that other people might write a hook or something for a rapper. But one of the selling points of rap and hip hop was that they were supposed to be the ones who wrote what they were recording lyric for lyric.

[@jacobisaac9934]

You obviously didn't listen to a word they said.

[@Lyrisin]

@@jacobisaac9934 I did and I understand but again the goal post has never been moved for any other rapper like this ..

[@kjk607]

This is why I never take Ice opinions on anything even remotely seriously.

[@michaelhall6303]

Naw Ice be making solid points.

[@DjReAkademiks]

Meek exposed Drake for having a ghost writer and Drake got a ghost writer to diss him 😂😂😂

[@moneyfeen215]

unbelievable🤣

[@swat686]

That’s why I say Drake won the battle but, Meek won the war. Exposing his ghostwriter, which has everybody questioning his pen to this day.

[@DjReAkademiks]

@@swat686 big facts!!! 💯💯💯

[@89Oneal]

😂🤣😆

[@SeanJonhDiddyPop]

Isn't that crazy and hypocritical of this b ass 😂😂

[@roaches23]

37 years old and they still calling you the Boy. Lol

[@mopnem]

Yeah well the “grow-up talk” is for people that haven’t achieved enough to act young soo…

[@dominiquesmith7680]

“Back to back I lIKE that RECORD, imma come back to that for the record.” 👀

[@anthonysalmon3190]

Daylte never wrote it he was cappin he said that himself

[@brando3424]

how does kendrick's nut taste?

[@dominiquesmith7680]

@@anthonysalmon3190 I’ve heard conflicting reports from people about it

[@SeanJonhDiddyPop]

Who knows daylyt be caping so much That he might of been caping on the caping 😂😂😂

[@TruthCultureTV]

How many lies do you need to hear to know someone is a liar . Stop the cap

[@MrBgood84]

That's why I never thought he won the battle with Meek Mill. Yeah his tracks were better and they were fun but it wasn't him

[@user-dp9mn3db6g]

He won that battle really because of meek mills lack of planning , but he really lost long term with that writing stain .

[@MozzieMutant]

This is just pure hating

[@Travelbum3000]

Drake stans & Meek haters try to hide Meek Mill’s War Pain which was a lethal Drake diss track & was better than anything Drake put out against Meek but the timing was off so it fell under the radar. Real rap fans know!

[@JaysonJigaa]

​@@MozzieMutant its really ridiculous too idc about drake or Joe but Joe really be Hatin

[@GabeTheGreat]

Also Daylyte claimed he wrote Back to Back so there’s that

[@CallmeLQ]

Lil Wayne, Curren$y, and J. Cole have put out music on a very consistent basis, sometimes more than once and they don't have a writing team. That's not an excuse I'm willing to extend to anyone in rap, I'm sorry.

[@Docmatema]

Kendrick Lamar did say iin an interview that you can't claim to be a rapper if you don't write your own raps. That's why he was felt so insulted by J Cole to even claim that Drake was in competition with him. It's just Big him

[@ideozublake8036]

💯💯

[@iseerashonal821]

I always hated that K. would even battle Drake because I bever seen Drake as a rapper. Never made sense to me. That's like Nas battling Vanilla Ice.

[@ra-neter6662]

​@@iseerashonal821lol these comparisons. Atleast be honest

[@jddj8943]

Mob ties is a dissed record towards Pusha-t and Kanye, so this changes my perception of Drake, he told his writers to write him a dissed song. So we're supposed to believe he wrote the other diss songs

[@agentspits]

Drake should never be in anyone's top 5 if you really value what a rapper is vs just enjoying the music and leaving it at that.

[@Youngxfatal93]

and none of his albums should be up there as hip hop classics & if someone does put one of his albums up next to the likes of Illmatic, BluePrint, All Eyez on Me, Ready to Die etc. Drakes Album will be the first to be questioned on why its up there with the other hip hop certified classics

[@jjarvicious]

all I hear is excuses, nobody asks him 2 drop a fuckin album every year, maybe he should take a year or 2 off & let his pen buildup instead of always tryna jack da next hit from a smaller artist

[@Youngxfatal93]

he love the attention like a ho

[@georgeclyde7904]

You can’t say the lesser songs don’t matter!! Because it all adds up to the “body of work”! It’s like using PED’s in sports… the marginal talents become good and the good become great and the great become legends. I’m a dj and I know what Drakes catalogue means to my business… but you can’t say it doesn’t matter if you look at it from the perspective of people who do it themselves and accept whatever they get from what they’re able to put in. Respectfully.

[@terrootti]

1) it's not proven that time-stamp Drake is really Drake (100%). Like Joe said safe to assume 2) Drake in his pop bag/RnB bag is what got him and kept him at the top of the game (90 % of his most streamed songs are the melodic "just hold on we're going home" type. And he (and his fanbase) weaponizes his pop star status in the EMCEE goat debate. Because, if you want to put him in the Kanye debate there's no issue there 3. Don't use you pop schedule as an excuse not to write when you use that same pop schedule to stunt on those who take the time off to go and write

[@JahHoopz]

Drake knows about the unwritten rules in rap. He knows that you can't get writing help with your rap verses and then claim that you're the #1 rapper, but he keeps doing it. If you're being objective then you know that Drake needs to be excluded from conversations that has to do with who's the best rapper. If you're a pop artist/entertainer it doesn't matter that much, but if you want to be perceived as an MC you can't do that.

[@bofamedianetwork6749]

Ice you thought he wrote Mobb Ties what are you talking about.

[@WestSideBarson]

Ice, ish, and flip shouldnt discuss this topic. Giving bail for him having a writer is insane. "Others cant give you consistent music like he does they release every 2 years" uhhhh yes because thats a normal thing your brain isnt always in create mode. The hell is ice talking about? He addresses things from the perspective of a child 😂

[@JaysonJigaa]

Na you just stuck in the past this aint 1997 nobody sitting by the speaker waiting to hear a hard bar lol he making music we could dance and vibe to with a female who cares who wrote it bozo

[@WestSideBarson]

@@JaysonJigaa no the rules of hip hop hasn't and will not change no matter how hard you weirdos who just started listening to music when drake came out. It will never change that's why the greats to this day continue to say as of a few months ago Eminem said "NOBODY IS EVER GONNA PEN MY VERSES WHEN I FEEL THE NEED TO HAVE SOMEONE DO THAT FOR ME IM DONE RAPPING" Andre 3k said the same thing in recent years. No true artist respects that in RAP now if you're a pop star entertainer that's fine. You can't be GOAT or even in the talks of goat if you have writers. Simple as that homie

[@Girlyjock0119]

​@@JaysonJigaaSad that you're such a drake stan that you think stealing artistry is ok

[@melvinflynt2348]

Drake is a "Actor" he just acts like an MC very well 😆

[@ShonContra724]

Odd that u used proper grammar for “an MC” but not for “a Actor” Even with spell assist…do u have a ghost writer for part of ur comment?🤷🏾‍♂️

[@melvinflynt2348]

@@ShonContra724 yea I do

[@Nosa344]

If Drake last diss song is him rapping rapping, he should stop...

[@JaysonJigaa]

I could tell yall in this comment section get no pussy hating on the guy that music set the mood when you with a female

[@504girl]

Right ✅️

[@StillAwesome21]

@@JaysonJigaa Go tell them underage girls you hooking up with that, we don't care 😂

[@TIDOXOFFICIAL]

Ignorance at its finest lmao

[@Dkvizu]

Stop saying “we know Drake has a pen and can get busy when he wants to” cause we really don’t. If some of his most popular songs have been shown to be ghost written or straight up stolen why wouldn’t his less popular ones? He’s shown us he can’t freestyle on multiple occasions and with all these reference tracks we know he can’t write a song by himself either. This is the equivalent of your mom doing your project for you and when you present it in class your teacher gives you an A for the greatest project ever

[@dejongrant27]

He wrote for Wayne, Dre, and Kanye so yeah he can write.

[@Dkvizu]

@@dejongrant27 lol you know how easy it is to get a writing credit? You can get one for just adding a word. If he’s writing all these songs for other folks why does he need an entire team to write songs for himself? Doesn’t make a lot of sense

[@dejongrant27]

@@Dkvizu Go check the interviews, He wrote singe for Wayne, and Kanye said he wishes drake could write all his songs. So I mean, that sounds Iike more than a few word ro me brother.

[@Daniel-wv7lj]

​@@dejongrant27what songs, so we can go listen

[@Dkvizu]

@@dejongrant27 Drake didn’t write Single. Single was a song on No Ceilings with no Drake feature and no Drake writing credit. He was featured on the remix that was supposed to be on I am not a human being but for some reason they put the original version on the album and gave Drake credit anyway even though he wasn’t on the song.

[@coolcatzattack]

That vory reference track is hard asf, i want to hear that song

[@KingN3LO]

Im sorry but there isnt a single Drake rap track that makes him HIM ..he makes amazing sounding music ..but the ghostwriting and ovo sweatshop takes away any shot at being the best emcee

[@lizomkhize]

Rap is similar to poetry. If we heard that Shakespeare had people write some of his poetry and plays, it would dent his reputation. Writing your own lyrics is a huge part of the art form.

[@iseerashonal821]

Exclactly! The craziest part about all of this is that we have to explain this to grown adults with "developed" brains. All Drake's stans aren't women and kids.

[@Girlyjock0119]

They don't care. They're making excuses because they don't want to deal with the fact drake is a phony in EVERY POSSIBLE SENSE, and they've been vibin with him forever 🤣🤣🤣

[@reggiehughes7577]

If Kendrick Lamar or Jcole did this yall would kill them to no end

[@kh23234]

This shows Drake is not rap artist He's a scam artist 😭

[@antkingsskslsls]

But Drake wrote for lil Wayne tho lol

[@EzSlime88]

Guess the whole industry is full of scam artists then, birds of a feather…..

[@kh23234]

@@antkingsskslsls I'm single is a singing song with no story and cadence behind it know what your talking about

[@antkingsskslsls]

@@kh23234 doesn’t matter, Drake still wrote for lil Wayne lol

[@kh23234]

@@antkingsskslsls lol smd

[@homeboi123ful]

I don't understand why they're saying only certain rap songs having reference track would hurt drakes image in their eyes. Any song where he didn't pen the raps himself should do that

[@SeanJonhDiddyPop]

I know right Please people explain me the logic Cause maybe I'm slow n stupid Lol 😂😂

[@philiptaylor8223]

Other than when the person isn't primarily a rapper/MC (Dr Dre etc) I don't understand why having a ghostwriter would be acceptable. And in other genres, there's a reason why Madonna is valued for what she is (an entertainer who sings songs written for her) and someone like Joni Mitchell (writes her own stuff, personal songs) is considered an artist.

[@darrellwilliams9168]

Because people change the rules for people that they like

[@iseerashonal821]

Thats why in other genres the artists dont claim they're the best. They're not competitive like rappers because they ususally have writers. Therefore boasting would be pointless. Drake been exposed in 2016. Why are we still having this discussion in 2024? Drake stans are something else.

[@kwright1914]

He's consistent because he has reference tracks that's not consistency that's plagiarism

[@Girlyjock0119]

Apparently plagiarism passes with these people. Not for the culture 👎🏽

[@ra-neter6662]

​@Girlyjock0119 but fake pedo angles are ok? The culture tweaked

[@SupremeGon]

Mfs gone find a way to cape for Drake lol. It's wild that you gotta say, "I think he wrote" to make your point. It's also crazy we giving him a pass because he puts out back to back mediocre albums. He doesn't make classic albums. The ones who take their time are putting out quality music.

[@RobsGravity]

Nothing you said was factual accurate so why waste your time typing?

[@SupremeGon]

@RobsGravity it's all opinions my guy calm down Drake doesn't know you lol. It's kinda how the internet works if you weren't aware 😂.

[@nikiedmonds6236]

Facts 💯

[@NdoubleN2]

@@SupremeGonRight! Some folks act like these celebs are their cousins or something.

[@RobsGravity]

@@SupremeGon you sound emotional about me stating a fact. I need to calm down??? Did I scare you with my comment?💀💀 it's not that deep

[@Oppositeatom]

It does affect him…he’s a fraud 😮

[@ShefortheJeeps]

Then why were people all in their feelings when Yasiin Bey called him pop… So Many SKUs!!

[@JackieMoonSeeYaSoon]

The excuses these cats are giving Drake is crazy

[@JaysonJigaa]

How this aint 1997 nobody cares about Bars he giving us music we can vibe and dance to who cares who wrote it yall stuck in the Past joe wrote his own music couldn't sell A record

[@JaysonJigaa]

Joe Just be hating on that man every week they probably tired of it

[@JackieMoonSeeYaSoon]

@@JaysonJigaa you gotta be young

[@chrismcmeekin8470]

Vory's version is better

[@TheScholarabull]

I thought the same thing when I heard it, had more energy and character

[@richardmack9995]

But yet wouldn’t have listened to it if wasn’t drake so stop

[@georgeclyde7904]

Joe should be the only one talking!

[@JaysonJigaa]

Joe starting to remind me of skip Bayless and the way he hates lebron

[@nononoleavemebe]

I really wish Drake had spent the last 10 years maturing as a person and developing his own sound instead of riding other people's waves and paying for sex. This battle could have been so much more interesting.

[@kenleypierre3284]

Exactly if he was at a right mental he be fine

[@kobdog360]

Wait wtf. It went from if we heard a mob ties reference track I’d be hurt(then it releases) to nah if I heard a stay scheming reference track I’d be hurt? Lol goal posts keep moving for drake

[@Girlyjock0119]

That's cuz it's BS and their part of the hit-making machine...steal music and make your money

[@macktical]

If 0-100 is a reference track then I'm done

[@kenleypierre3284]

0/100 Tuscan Leather timestamps then I’m done too

[@dashuntas.m4045]

Even without the ghostwriters, Drake was never top 50 Rappers. Most successful hiphop artist, yeah but when it comes to lyricism and skill he was never close to the top

[@rosuzzieagnes124]

Hahah keep telling yourself that to make yourself feel better

[@Defforce1]

@@rosuzzieagnes1242pac, biggie, nas, jay-z, eminem, big l, mf doom, ab soul, Kendrick lamar, dmx, pusha t, jadakiss, lauryn hill, e-40, AZ, Common, mos def, lil wayne, busta rhymes, royce da 5’9, joey badass, black thought, q-tip, krs-one, big daddy kane, Ice cube, ghostface killah, scarface, j cole, ll cool j, rakeem, andre 3000, snoop dogg.

[@Defforce1]

@@rosuzzieagnes124THESE MOFOS ARE REAL MCS DRAKE A PHONY. Try writing for a few months and then come respect the pen game like you should!!!

[@wu71624]

They use his commercial success to prove he's the one, but in reality he using ghostwriters for that .

[@Kbandz313]

Drake is an actor that can rap. His acting skills are crazy to go from Toronto Man Drake to UK Roadman Drake to Drizzy Marley and so on. His writers are the real MCs.

[@misu73373]

hearing them coming up with so many excuses hurts my brain. They seem like they don't even care about hip-hop. Having an album every year is no excuse. He was consistently delivering bad albums/mixtapes. That isn't consistency, that's trash. You uses writers to release every year to stay relevant, not to release good music

[@tyronebennett5223]

Rappers and MCs write. Period.

[@HollywoodDeliPodcast]

I do not believe Drake ever wrote and it was not til he claimed to be top 5 and beefing that he started to get criticized.

[@EzSlime88]

So who wrote Room For Improvement, Comeback Season and So Far Gone?

[@Mo-jt2pt]

Kanye literally admits that Drake wrote songs for him. Ross says he’s one of the best writers in the game 😂😂

[@iseerashonal821]

There is no evidence that Drake has EVER written a record. But we have all the evidence that he doesn't. Yet these fools act like he's still this lyrical writer. Smh

[@iseerashonal821]

​@@EzSlime88fool, we dont know who wrote all Drake's songs. We only know of the ones online. Im sure theyre many more. The guy is the biggest fraud in hip hop history

[@EzSlime88]

@@iseerashonal821 😂😂😂 ok

[@tdbhumphrey]

Mmmmmm… sorry but when has Drake put pen to pad by himself?? Which song(s) are these

[@IdocarebutIdont]

The fact that we have more confirmed reference tracks than confirmed self written songs is actually crazy. 💀

[@MozzieMutant]

@@IdocarebutIdont10 ref tracks compared to 1000?songs 😂

[@IdocarebutIdont]

@@MozzieMutant I don't get where your confidence in Drake writing every single one of the other 1000 songs is coming from, when my niqqa has at least a whole album of reference classics and bangers leaked atp. No tellin, Used to, Mob ties, 10 bands, Legend, Know yourself.. Some of my favorite songs and these are only the ones that surfaced. Sh*t is crazy.

[@willhassed3993]

Go to listen to his reference track that he wrote for lil wayne called I'm single, and then don't let the door hit you on your way out

[@StillAwesome21]

​@@willhassed3993 One song, that is not his. You don't have a point. Pipe down.

[@knox04]

Ice and Ish keep making excuses for Drake SMH.

[@matthewfairchild3846]

If Black Thought had a reference track ppl would lose it.

[@phonevidz]

We should have known when he was freestyling off his phone on flex

[@hmm3041]

It’s absurd to say let’s shoot him grace for consistency dropping even when it’s trash, “at least he’s consistent “. Drake’s been consistent because he has a village of writers to write his raps for him. We should respect those who take the time to create and deliver a great product to consumers more than someone who drops a unworthy product consistently to stay relevant. A water down product is worthless but a thought through masterpiece that drops every few years is priceless and memorable.

[@eliminator173]

We can't deny his success. No one in this genre has had a top spot for this long. That being said he's absolutely not an Emcee. You have to write your own stuff. Hes like Anakin in Episode 3. He gets a seat at the council but he is not granted the rank of master.

[@EzSlime88]

Terrible comparison

[@JaysonJigaa]

Music has changed this aint 1997 people wanna dance and move to music who cares who wrote it it'd not about bars anymore

[@eliminator173]

@@EzSlime88 naw cause it's true

[@theglowingman2899]

@@JaysonJigaa That's simply not true. If you are talking about rap and care about the culture, you care about bars. Just say you don't like to think when you listen to music and stand on that.

[@eliminator173]

@@JaysonJigaa that's why it's gone to shit. Hip hop is horrible now for the most part. I would say since 2010 it's been mostly garbage. Cause people like you set the bar low for what's acceptable.

[@chuxch7293]

DAMN THE CAPIN WOULD MAKE BATMAN JEALOUS. DRAKE IS NOT A RAPPER., HE IS NOT LIKE US

[@sonofjacob5131]

The double standard for Drake is crazy the excuses people make for him is crazy

[@leroirobinson-grant5885]

It's not a, "reference track" if its the same exact track. It's Karaoke.

[@AdeleKakwandi]

The issue is we have no idea if the songs that made Drake considered a top tier rapper were really written by him. Imagine if we found out Stephen King didn't write his own books, could he be considered one of the greatest authors?

[@elenebarnhill4321]

They not like us. Drake is a big part of the industry. He owns the rappers who have dissed him. He made a power move. They not like us

[@vuittonharding]

I don't wanna here non of this shhh. How the hell can you tell when he's using a writer or not till the reference track appears. End of the story

[@BrianJones800-qn2sc]

Im so tired of people calling it a reference trac he took a whole verse rhythm style everything he just remade his song

[@itskingsavagebaby]

"We gather today, for the elimination of Drake" - Kanye West

[@joshuastgermain3418]

Rico with meek mill is a timestamp record, and it has a reference track.

[@dabrownone]

Why do ppl act like it doesn't matter who wrote a rappers raps? This whole discussion is open and shut; writing is what matters

[@Ekwiksilver]

Drake could have done all this and been fine. The problem is clamming the top spot as an emcee when you know you have help. Its like saying SHEIN is better than GUCCI because they put out more clothes. STOP IT

[@shaneikaj.8711]

He was never an MC... Drake was never in my top anything...I still fuck with his music If you are RAPPING...you need to write your shit!!! If it's a pop rnb song 10000 people can be credited

[@sonicsforrealfather]

Drake’s pen is gonna have a big fat asterisk no matter where you put him. Putting out an album every year like Call of Duty and having help is wild

[@bkny2cnc239]

They don't care that Drake didn't write this and that,but continue to act like because he got rich off these ignorant so called hip hop fans,he should be mentioned as a great is hilarious.

[@MOORxDOPE]

“Absence of Evidence does not mean Evidence of Absence” - Dr Carl Sagan

[@JoshuaKhosa]

Fair play to the light skin dude saying 70% of rapping is the writing, he’s been saying some super off point stuff lately but that was spot on

[@theee1111]

Give him an asterick....He's a pop star.. Kenderick is an international start as well. So was Wutang... fofh...

[@IdocarebutIdont]

He did at one point, but after Meek outed his Ghostwriters, he knew that he would never have a realistic chance convincing the core rap audience again, which is why he chose to mainly focus on poppy hit records and numbers instead.

[@EzSlime88]

Meek said all that because he didn’t post his album. The 2hr interview Drake did says Meek wasn’t in a good headspace when he said that, so he ran with that.

[@StillAwesome21]

He came out the gate with poppy hit records, that was always his lane.

[@iseerashonal821]

I dont mind Drake doing rap but he should NEVER be placed next to greats like KRS1, JayZ, 2pac, 50 Cent, Wu tang.... As far as rap he is in a category with Dr. Dre, Eazy E, Kanye, Vanilla Ice, MC Hammer.

[@WayaAhanu]

Jay-Z in his prime, released an album every year from 96 - 2004. So you can write your own work and still be consistent

[@DavidReali]

Ive NEVER seen so many excuses made for an artist EVER. Like what the hell is going on here

[@kiteman7003]

When hip-hop went commercial, it truly went dead. If you get millions, then your art you represent becomes comprimised.

[@lexdadon]

Until somebody plays a beat, and see drake actually write…everything is suspect b.

[@gsoto420]

These 2 dudes can never let Drake fall in their eyes People cannot handle this dude falling from grace and it is LAUGHABLE and TELLING Very Trumpish type of person with his fucking crowd

[@gio.c9095]

Bruh f the reference he lied on the shop that he made mob ties so doesn’t that show he willing to lie about his artistry gotta stop the bs 😂

[@dashuntas.m4045]

That clip was too funny 😂

[@shanecrawford7885]

Don’t nobody get the goal posts moved more for them than Drake. Them being ok with this shit is sickening

[@TheRedgoldenchild]

Drake's got more reference tracks and lace fronts than Lil Kim!

[@Waliocoolioflo]

Mob Ties is not a pop song Rico is not a pop song and the list goes on......

[@KG45Brham]

9:32 Drake has loyal fans. The fact that he can't wait more months to actually work on a track, instead of using other people's work is worrisome.

[@iseerashonal821]

Drake doesnt have fans, he has stans

[@angelinaoliver5587]

It’s funny how when Nicki screams “I don’t respect these girls because they don’t write their own raps” y’all agree with her and she’s been saying this for years and that is the reason Nicki has a lot of respect as a rapper but when it comes to Drake y’all give him a pass and say it doesn’t matter whether he writes his own raps or not why is that?

[@DST9090]

Let's stop bullshitting the topic. Drake is a Music Artist. He raps and sings songs that he writes and songs that other people write.

[@therealverbal3]

problem is it all could be ghostwritten , there no way to know and that’s the problem

[@bungle3912]

It's not a problem if he uses reference tracks when people say he's a pop star. But when you're entering him into the conversation of a GOAT MC - no. You can't have reference tracks and writers if you're the greatest MC.

[@mralexander3297]

He's not the GOAT, whoever is the Ghostwriter for those hits songs is the REAL Goat 🐐

[@biggavel_rah4051]

It’s been so many references tracks from Drake that at this point he should not be mention with elite Rappers. They tip toeing around it and people like ICE Ish and Joe are the reason why drake continues it

[@Sivu_rich]

8:25 “tha songs that i think he wrote” i stopped listening there. I'm disgusted. Why are we even having this conversation ? He don't write his shit he ain't in no greatest MC of all time conversation. Simple as that. Fuck allat goalpost moving🚮