Joe Rogan Analyzes Muhammad Ali vs. Cleveland Big Cat Williams

[@Lvnvj]

Imagine the ppv numbers Ali would generate. He was a global superstar before social media and Internet even existed. The real people's champ and that's why he's considered the goat.

[@carbon.the.christ5626]

all this without fighting in his prime!

[@calbo555]

He made it, he fucked up the war. Media was done

[@patrickraymond5855]

Ali set the stage for the big money fights people get today. Before Ali boxers made a good living but nothing extreme.

[@941ramazi]

5 events of Ali was watched by more than 1 BILLION people across the world live, 2 of them was watched more than 2 BILLION. Ali today would generate Marvel Avengers box office numbers all by himself

[@jeffreykaufmann2867]

@@941ramazi Imagine the shitload of money Ali would make if he was fighting today? He would end up a billionaire.

[@bobdole4432]

Ali past his prime was still really good lol

[@chrisshockey3681]

Exactly. He wasn't even close to as good as he was before the 3 and a half year layoff and was still better than everyone else. Hell he was 32 when he fought Foreman and he was only 24. 8 boxing years is a lot of freaking years man. There's definitely a reason they call him The Greatest. Imagine if they hadn't taken his prime from him... 🤯🤯

[@bobdole4432]

Chris Shockey honestly norton probably won all 3 of their fights and he had some other tough fights, but to still hold the title for as long as he did at his age was impressive

[@CustomizedUsername]

Rematch with Frazier, Rumble in the jungle, thrilla in Manila, all of his career defining fights were after his prime so definitely still very good. But when he was young he was a different beast.

[@NoName-gv6nm]

@@bobdole4432 nah ali really did squeak out the 2nd and 3rd if you score it round by round

[@shazmaster]

@@chrisshockey3681 I must say that and the night he fought George Foreman he was unbeatable. The fight in Zaire was him at his absolute strongest. 216lbs 6ft 3 79 inch reach. they had prolonged the stay in Zaire because Foreman got his eye cut in training. To me, that was a perfect mix of his talent, speed and strength. After that tho, I agree.

[@BadBloodPodcast]

Joe Frazier actually helped Ali get his license back believe it or not. Frazier even helped support Ali financially too

[@Jamesmax22]

Yes he did. The best documentary I've ever seen is the Thrilla in Manila.

[@BadBloodPodcast]

@@Jamesmax22 Anything with Ali in it is great lol. Apart from The Greatest................Shite with it that's great too

[@Sam-ng3of]

^ Ali didn't treat him like shit, it was planned trash talk to promote the event

[@patrickraymond5855]

Joe lobbied for Ali to get his license back but Ali didn’t get his license back because of Joe. Ali got his license back because a federal judge ordered New York State to give him one. Joe wanted Ali to get his license back because he and Ali both knew an Ali-Frazier fight would give them huge paydays.

[@umairjan9176]

Yes they both love eachother

[@CustomizedUsername]

Ali vs Williams was his masterpiece. Flawless fight

[@saqib7965]

Joseph Pae art

[@jimbodjango8900]

Just after Williams was recovering from being shot in the stomach by a police with a .357 magnum

[@henrywalter4750]

@@jimbodjango8900 not actually true though alot of people think that. Williams was shot in November on 1964. He didnt return until 1966 when he won all four of the fights he took part in, 2 by KO. This included a KO win over Tod Herring (26-5) to earn him a shot at Ali. After the Ali loss he won 5 fights in a row, 4 by KO.

[@kcash6359]

Ali was great in this fight. He may have been better in the next one against Zora Folley. That was his last fight before they took his license. There is no telling how good he would've been if he was able to continue.

[@kcash6359]

Also, watch the first knockdown in the Cleveland Williams fight. It was similar to the punch that put Liston down in Lewiston.

[@SSR175]

After almost 4 years off and not having trained throughout that layoff, Ali came back and made the number one contender in the world look ordinary..man he was something else

[@ericanderson7059]

Whoever stole his bike is owed a debt of gratitude .

[@________o6474]

Hahaha... very true 👍🏾

[@nasfrom-da-ldn7362]

A man like Ali only comes along once every few hundred years

[@regularm3924]

Nas from-da-Ldn nah once in a lifetime

[@zd4960]

His still alive

[@sarahwave5943]

Cleveland Williams was a legendary fighter himself but when he had fought Ali he was coming back from a near fatal gunshot incident that caused nerve damage in his upper leg and had a ton of his intestine taken out. He was at 30% of his prime when he fought Ali.

[@clubberlang589]

SARAH SANDERSON'S HOCUS POCUS MEMES : That’s right

[@Steve-nv5uc]

Agreed Ali fought a not 100% Cleveland Williams.

[@JahleelX-xx9wd]

@@Steve-nv5uc wouldn't have mattered. Ali would've bodied him the same way.

[@clubberlang589]

Jahleel X so Larry Holmes would’ve done the same thing to a Prime Ali.

[@JahleelX-xx9wd]

@@clubberlang589 no. That's not even close to the same thing. Cleveland Williams didn't have Parkinson's and didn't take a thyroid pill that sapped his energy before the fight.

[@Thereisnorules]

Have you ever seen anyone doing shuffle like ali? Specially as heavy as ali

[@deni6943]

right now I'm probably heavier than ali ever was and I can do a decent shuffle, obviously not nearly as good as him no matter what size I am

[@Thereisnorules]

@@deni6943 on some videos his speed is unbelievable!

[@papichurro7570]

@Low Tier BBCFactory And most importantly he did it during a boxing match, Ali was incredible!

[@travisbickle0526]

He could move his body alright, he ran 6 miles in 40 mins every day. That's lightning fast for someone his size

[@CK-ss2ke]

Really can't mention tyson fury in same sentence as Ali! !

[@calbo555]

Fury in this nowadays divisions is Ali closest unfortunately and can move. So why not

[@josthinsalcedo1397]

@@calbo555 Because its ali

[@bamaraffle8785]

calbo555 Fury beat a guy who can’t box a lick and other who was 38 years old ex champ, here you got why Fury can’t be in the same sentence as Ali.

[@patrickraymond5855]

Fury is surprisingly agile for a man of his size and he is skilled boxer but comparing him to Ali is a bit much. The thing is the skill level in the heavyweight division has really gone downhill. Fury is probably the most skilled active heavyweight since Klitschko retired.

[@terrybader8595]

More than a bit too much. Prime Ali was lightning quick and almost impossible to hit with a big punch.

[@DaxRandalman]

Man, Vinnie Paz, knows a ton about fighting sports! I'm impressed he can pretty much keep up with Joe's knowledge.

[@323v6]

The only heavyweight that makes a fighter look like he's at middleweight There is no flaws

[@heavymeddle28]

Ali said himself that Williams was great who came back after being shot with a 357 magnum in his stomach and never bragged about that win. Williams one leg was partially paralysed, bullet fragments still lodged in his hip and he came back after only weighing 158lbs, hospitalised for 2 years, later working for a dollar a day, carrying hay, living in a tent on a field. Say what you will about Alis beautiful performance but Williams had no chanse after the shooting and all that the big cat's been through before the fight

[@m.helmikurniawan5383]

Linda Lee (Bruce Lee's wife) once said...Bruce took his JKD footwork from this record...wooowww

[@Shaziqbal80]

Ali v williams was proper sweet science.. Best ever

[@EwFatppl]

against a punching bag

[@santea6577]

Joe, thanks man! You brought Teddy Atlas and now Vinnie Paz up!!! Great convos! Peace and respect!

[@LyndaBrooks-b5m]

He said uncoordinated Fury could move like prime Ali😂😂😂😂

[@ynosaremac2640]

The world never got to see the best of Ali. The closest we came was the Clevland Williams fight as he was reaching his prime. @4:02 still never was a heavy weight before or after that could fight with the skill of Ali.

[@Twizzledoc187]

Y’all skipped the BEST past when Ali dropped him at the end of the 2nd round with that three punch combo. Dang I wished I was there to bring that part up.

[@Rocky-fk3ol]

For real that combo looked soft but deadly. Even the first knockdown where he backpedaled and dropped Williams with his foot off the canvas

[@NOMADcourier85]

Willie Pep my grandpa George's all time favorite boxer back in the day. RIP Pop Pop!

[@Physics072]

Ali and Joe Louis heavy weight GOATS. You can't compare Tyson Fury to them. Totally different level.

[@HIMCULES]

If you're going to mention this fight, you have to do Cleveland Williams justice, explain his shooting and how it really was a way for Ali to help Cleveland financially and do a little showing off in the process.

[@duasheanetharps83]

I love you Joe! What you do is phenomenal. You love Fighters. I love Fighters. You memorialize them. And you analyze their greatest moments. Ali was unique. Ali was Art. You recognize and appreciate them therefore I love you and what you do. I am a fight nerd. And Muhammad Ali vs. Cleveland Williams is pure art. Fist fighting at its absolute highest and most skillful scientific level.

Myth One: Dundee cut the glove Watch Clay’s hands from around the 11 minute mark on the footage. You will clearly see that his glove had ripped; on at least two occasions you can see the stuffing of the glove hanging out. Dundee did NOT cut the glove. What he did was bring the cut to the attention of the referee, and yes, he did so to gain some extra time for Clay to recover from the knockdown. He was HOPING for that extra few minutes. Just as any great cornerman would be; you take your advantages when they are offered to you. Myth Two: Clay had extra minutes to recover. Entirely untrue. Dundee’s ploy to gain extra time failed, save for an extra few seconds. And it failed because when the ref went to the ring sidings to ask about replacement gloves, he was told there were none. And that Clay would therefore just have to box on with the ripped glove. Contrary to popular belief, there was no call out ‘to the back’ to request a glove. There was no frantic search for a replacement. There was no time taken swapping gloves. There was just a question, from the ring to ring side. ‘Do we have spare gloves?’ And the answer was ‘no’. But thanks to the video, we don’t even need to know that. Because the video could not be clearer. The round ends when Clay is knocked down. The timer shows 12 mins 48 seconds. The next round behinds when the timer shows 13 minutes 54 seconds. Meaning that the glove controversy extended the 60 seconds break between rounds by a whopping SIX SECONDS. After which Clay came out of his corner and utterly decimated Cooper, a man he had been carrying in order to despatch him in the predicted round. Having now reached that round - and no doubt pissed off - Clay moved up a gear and destroyed him. So there we have it. Video evidence that Dundee did NOT cut the glove - although he did try to take advantage of a pre-existing rip - and that the time gained by that failed attempt was a mere six seconds, and that after that extra six seconds Clay was not only okay, he was absolutely merciless. Oh, and it hasn’t been asked but just in case it comes up: would it have been different if the knockdown had not come at the end of the round? It is often suggested that had Cooper knocked Clay down earlier in the round, he would have had Clay hurt and at his mercy, and would have stopped him. Now my answer on THIS one is by its very nature speculation - as, of course, is the suggestion that Cooper would have stopped him if the knockdown had been earlier - but it is educated speculation, based on what we now know of Clay. And that is that Clay - as Ali - proved to have one of the best chins in heavyweight history, and certainly the best chin of any heavyweight champion (other than, perhaps, Oliver McCall). Such a chin is genetic. You either have it or you don’t. And you certainly don’t gain it. So the chin that took blow after blow from George Foreman. The chin that stood up to the best shot Earnie Shavers could throw. The chin that took the best left-hook of Joe Frazier’s career and allowed Ali to get back up and keep fighting. Clay had that same chin against Cooper, and no way was Cooper hitting him as hard as any of those three guys I just mentioned. Based on that - and based on the over 100 amateur fights Clay had under his belt, which would have taught him the innate skill to fight on autopilot while hurt (for what I mean, watch Ali-Shavers, when Ali takes the round after being hit clean by the single hardest puncher in boxing history, only to later admit that he was effectively fighting unconscious; or Fury-Wilder, where Fury is literally asleep, wakes and rises for 8 and proceeds to outbox Wilder on sheer boxing autopilot) - I just don’t see Clay getting up and being a victim. He never did in any other fight, after taking much harder punches against far better finishers than Cooper, so why would he have done so here? For Clay to lose this fight if the knockdown had been earlier - and so denying him the intervention of the break - would be contrary to everything we ever saw of him in his remarkable career. And so whilst it is speculation to say that I believe he would have fought back and seen out the round, it is educated speculation based on a whole career. As opposed to the blind hope & bias driving those who WANT to believe he would have lost. And that’s that, I hope. Myth debunked.

[@free2player553]

THANK YOU!!!

[@adibsiddiki7409]

Do you know anything about the smelling salts speculation? Because Dundee does appear to put some kind of Coton bud underneath Ali's nose. I was wondering if you knew anything about that, and could clear it up

[@dondamon4669]

This was Ali at his prime! The best ever

[@Scoobydcs]

Nobody that size has any buisiness moving like that!

[@Scoobydcs]

our enry had a HELL of a left hook

[@joshuabranson74]

1:00 Joes boston Accent comes through

[@aaronocallaghan3487]

Haha

[@chrisweber6090]

It's eitha!

[@kylem1112]

i thought he was from new jersey

[@cesarsanchez1212]

@@kylem1112 Joey Diaz is from NJ

[@prototype316]

Artem the GOAT let's face it

[@jaswinderparmar3567]

Bitch has no reach

[@annis750]

@@jaswinderparmar3567 thats the joke.

[@MQA-hc1gt]

Muhammad Ali > Floyd

[@bobdole4432]

Qasim Aziz duh lol

[@shakeelsalafi4766]

Floyd hahaha

[@truth4099]

That’s debatable

[@johnohill463]

JRE Clips Dundee put his thumb in an already split glove to make it more obvious to the Ref and to buy time. Clay didn't get as much time as some people say but is was just enough to let Clay get it together and stop Cooper in the next round, as predicted.

[@adibsiddiki7409]

He only got 5 seconds of extra time

[@davepoke]

His trainer also helped him to his stool which is against the rules and also they used smelling salts on him which is also against the rules, he could and should have been disqualified for both

[@summocommentaction3273]

Peep The Modern Martial Artist vid suggestion

[@keflalssj]

Ali vs frazier?

[@lainiwakura4678]

Those antics by Angelo Dundee only actually bought Ali about 5-7 seconds. The referee knew what he was trying to do and just fastened the tape quick and made him get in there. What really helped Ali, that you rarely hear people mention, is that I'm pretty sure Angelo stuck smelling salts under his nose in the corner. Which would be a DQ. You can see Ali is dazed. Angelo sticks his hand under his nose, and life comes back into Ali's eyes and he makes that "pheeew" look.

[@LyndaBrooks-b5m]

Ali knew he was 100 times better than Cooper and got complacent and got caught with a lucky shot he got up recovered and whipped his ass very easily💯..And then to show you how much of a fluke and lucky that one shot was he whipped his ass even easier the 2nd fight💯💯😂😂..Stop trying to hate on the greatest of all time he whipped this guy's ass twice stop making excuses you sound soft💯💯

[@jrde50]

At that point Williams was 3 years out from a gunshot wound to the stomach. He was fighting a cripple, not saying Williams would’ve won but he wasn’t anything of the fighter he was before

[@SSR175]

The one thing that makes Ali really tower above everyone else is his pride and ego. Ali looked graceful in the ring, funny off it but when it came to going the extra mile to win, nobody's ever come close. He'd just summon something else within towards the end and do the unthinkable. Mike Tyson put it perfectly "Ali would rather die than have somebody beat him"

[@clevelandwilliams5922]

To why he ended up with Parkinson

[@classicsurvivor]

FYI. Frazier did not hate Ali.

[@jeffm3022]

Angelo Dundee, Emmanuel Stewart, Bob Arum, Titans.

[@KevinKirkMakeaWave]

Never heard Joe's Jersey accent until 1:00

[@kerrymandanny8135]

Willams at that point had recovered after having 12 feet of intestines removed and one kidney i believe after being shot by a state trooper. It was more a payday for him than an actual contest and they both knew it. Cleveland Williams from 5 years before and it would have been a closer contest. He maintained his upper body strength but his left leg had atrophied to about 3 quarters the size of his right watch close and you can see it. He had no mobility at this point compared to before so had no choice but to eat the shots and move forward. Rip both Cleveland and Muhammed both warriors and inspirations to this day.. ali said about Williams.. i came back from being banned sugar ray came back joe Louis came back lots of figters come back and its great but Cleveland Williams came back from a bullet tearing up his insides... no fighter has ever done that.. its a true great thing he did...

[@travispatterson3498]

That looks like Vinnie Paz

[@travispatterson3498]

@sayvar44 im talking about the person talking to joe. he is a hip hop producer or artist however you wanna put it named vinnie paz not the pro boxer vinny pazienza but I understand the confusion

[@veeseee128]

Joe rogan is as smart as a rock.

[@thinktankindi2664]

Ali threw super efficient punches.

[@billduffe4472]

Muhammad ali was able to box again because the supreme court rule that he could. His appeal to the supreme court was central to the timing of the first fight with joe frasier. He had to rush back because he was able to temporarily box again.But it was expected that the supreme court was going to end his ability to box for good. Ali wouldn't have faded so badly at the end of the fight if he had a few more months. His body hadn't fully recovered from the blows it took in his previous tuneup fight.

[@siddharthsivaraman7660]

It was Joe Frazier who met the then President and recommended Ali's reinstatement of his boxing license.

[@baronvonlichtenstein]

Frazier lobbied to let Ali fight again. Then Ali later mocked him in interviews which Frazier never forgot

[@julianlavalley7454]

I dont like how this guy is talking like he was there

[@billray9771]

I don't agree that MA was not as fit after his fight with the government. He was 213 fighting Quarry. Moved very well and cut Quarry so badly they had to stop the fight.

[@johnohill463]

Muhammad Ali had his suspension reversed in a unanimous decision by 8 judges in the supreme court. Plenty of judges anyway mate. Muhammad Ali never hated Joe Frazier. Ali pushed the talking too far with Joe and Joe didn't understand why his friend was doing this/

[@theend9258]

Goodness! Coopers left hook was better than Fraziers!

[@jeffreykaufmann2867]

He fought Liston before he fought Cleveland Williams.

[@MrModikoe]

lol Ali was going to loose had Dundee not cut the cloves?? lol dream on, I mean he got up by himself to make his to the corner...Ali got tagged hard so many times but he knows what to do after that..he was just gonna tie, move and duck cooper until he recovers..

[@clevelandwilliams5922]

The left hook that Henry Cooper landed had power in it. Because you can see how Cooper hit him Ali went from 1/2 way from the ring onto the ropes. If it wasn’t for the ropes he would’ve gone out of the ring. That punch shows you Cooper left hook was definitely a hammer.

[@EwFatppl]

alan hudson knocked him down joe frazier knocked him down sonny banks knocked him diwn henry cooper knocked him down all these punches are nothing but left hooks joe rogan lacks to know that cleveland was shot and is a shell

[@clevelandwilliams5922]

@@EwFatppl That is how I studied Ali, I saw his opponent first & one of them is The Big Cat. This is how I came across this fighters amazing history and boxing abilities. It told me something didn’t smell right about those Sonny Liston affairs. Because after seeing how Williams uncocked those combinations. Then to add Williams survival feat after being shot by .357 magnum a powerful handgun even in distance would destroy anyone, but to take it at close range. Told me if this version of Williams was to knock Ali out based on what you stated with the above fighters. It would smell like a rat. Then Williams just walked around eating punches. Then add Garnishing of his winnings by one of his trusted Managers just before the fight was about to take place, told me there was something brewing here. To all Ali lovers (This is not to insult Ali himself, by the way), forget to realise this or disregard it as coincidence only. I’m sorry in a court of law, all this would be called by the following: Tendency and coincidence Evidence Act 1995, Pt 3.6 (ss 94-101); Criminal Procedure Act 1986, s 161A [4-1100] General Relevant definitions The term “tendency evidence” is defined in the Dictionary to the Evidence Act. The definition does so by reference to the evidence to which s 97(1) refers - evidence “that a party seeks to have adduced for the purpose referred to” in s 97(1), which is to prove that a person has or had a tendency to act in a particular way, or to have a particular state of mind. The “tendency rule” is defined by the Dictionary as that contained in s 97(1). The term “coincidence evidence” is similarly defined in the Dictionary by reference to the evidence to which the “coincidence rule” in s 98(1) refers - evidence “that a party seeks to have adduced for the purpose referred to” in s 98(1), which is to prove that, because of the improbability of two or more substantially and relevantly similar events occurring in substantially similar circumstances coincidentally, a person did a particular act or had a particular state of mind. The “coincidence rule” is defined by the Dictionary as that contained in s 98(1). Both tendency evidence (previously called propensity evidence) and coincidence evidence (previously called similar fact evidence) may be described as evidence that: a person has acted in a particular way on another or other occasions, or that person has or had a particular state of mind on another or other occasions, from which evidence, a party seeks to have the tribunal of fact draw an inference this person also acted in that way or had that state of mind on the occasion in issue in the litigation. If that is the use to which the evidence is sought to be put, it is caught by, respectively, the tendency rule (see s 97 at [4-1140]) or the coincidence rule (see s 98 at [4-1150]). Another definition in the Dictionary that is relevant to both the tendency rule and the coincidence rule, is that of “probative value” which, using the language of s 55 (Relevant evidence), means the extent to which the evidence could rationally affect the assessment of the probability of the existence of a fact in issue. Relevance of common law Because the tendency and coincidence rules are intended to cover the field previously occupied by the common law relating to propensity and similar fact evidence, it was at first thought to be permissible to turn for guidance to the common law decisions when applying Pt 3.6 of the Evidence Act; see, for example, R v Martin [2000] NSWCCA 332 at [59]. However, it has now been conclusively held that the statutory provisions in Pt 3.6 relating to these issues were intended to cover the relevant field to the exclusion of the common law principles previously applicable: R v Ellis (2003) 58 NSWLR 700 at [74]-[84] (a bench of five judges). When revoking the previous grant of special leave to appeal in that case, the High Court expressly agreed with the construction of the Evidence Act adopted by the Court of Criminal Appeal: Ellis v The Queen [2004] HCATrans 488 (a bench of seven judges). This case is discussed in relation to s 101 at [4-1180]. This view has now been confirmed in IMM v The Queen (2016) 257 CLR 300. Issues in relation to tendency evidence arising under Pt 3.6 When evidence is tendered by the Crown in criminal proceedings as demonstrating a tendency by the accused, the following issues arise: (i) Is the evidence relevant to proof of that tendency - that is, if accepted, could it rationally affect (directly or indirectly) the assessment of the probability of the existence of a fact in issue in the proceedings (s 55)? (ii) If so, is the evidence adduced to prove that the accused has or had a tendency to act in a particular way or to have a particular state of mind (s 97)? (iii) If so, has reasonable notice been given of the intention to adduce that evidence (s 97(1)(a)); and, if so, does the evidence, either by itself or having regard to other evidence adduced or to be adduced, have significant probative value (s 97(1)(b))? (iv) If so, does that probative value of the evidence substantially outweigh any prejudicial effect the evidence may have on the accused (s 101(2)); R v MM [2004] NSWCCA 364 at [59]?; the application for special leave to appeal refused by the High Court was not directed to this issue: [2005] HCATrans 240. [4-1110] Application - s 94 Part 3.6 is not concerned with evidence that relates only to the credibility of a witness. That issue is dealt with in Pt 3.7 (Credibility). Nor does it apply to evidence of the character, reputation or conduct of a person, or a tendency that person has or had, where that character, reputation, conduct or tendency is itself a fact in issue in the proceedings. Whether facts relevant to a fact in issue (such as in a circumstantial evidence case) are themselves facts in issue was left undetermined by the High Court in Cornwell v The Queen (2007) 231 CLR 260 at [80]. Examples where such evidence is itself a fact in issue A person’s character may be raised as an issue in a criminal trial as demonstrating that he or she was unlikely to have committed the offence charged; this is dealt with under Pt 3.8 (Character). A person’s reputation is a fact in issue in an action for defamation; such evidence is not the same as character evidence to which s 110 applies, and Pt 3.2 (Hearsay) may be relevant to it. Conduct or tendency may be a fact in issue in a criminal trial where it is relied on by the Crown to establish that the accused had deliberately, rather than accidentally, harmed the complainant: see, for example, R v Joiner (2002) 133 A Crim R 90 (special leave to appeal refused: Joiner v The Queen [2003] HCATrans 278). In that case, three females with whom the accused had previously lived gave evidence of his violent reaction towards them in situations where there was either no or little provocation, and this evidence was permitted in order to establish that the injuries causing the death of the fourth female with whom he had lived were inflicted by him deliberately rather than in an accident as he had claimed. The criticism in R v Ellis, above, of the reliance of the judgment in Joiner on the pre-Evidence Act decision of Pfennig v The Queen (1995) 182 CLR 461 does not affect the relevance of s 94 to the facts of that case.

[@l1348]

That link in the description doesn’t go to the proper video

[@shottashabazz6721]

Normally when you think of the greatest left hook in boxing Smoking Joe name pops up but I’m telling you Henry Cooper to me had the best left hook in boxing.

[@kuriouslee]

Ali took a good punch then and against Joe Frazier

[@spotthedogaye2921]

Who is this guy? I could listen to him talk about boxing for days. He knows his shit

[@tapuout101]

Even Bruce Lee started copying Ali.

[@kuriouslee]

the Supreme Court Ruled that it was wrong to take his title and ban him from boxing

[@clevelandwilliams5922]

Joe Rogan and you’re host did you forget to analyse this properly. Nice of you guys didn’t compare Cleveland Williams prior to the shooting incident & during his recovery process & then prior to the title fight with Ali. Or do we hold different standards for paper champion.

[@MrAsgharbukhari]

Not respectful enough to the great Ali

[@chriso1585]

Cleveland wasn’t the same after getting shot by a police officer but still carried the name of before the police shot him. That makes watching the Ali fight sad

[@billduffe4472]

Joe frazier did hate Ali. But Alli was just being outrageous and trying to promote the fight

[@xxx-us9fj]

STALLONE > Muhammad Ali > mayweather > gsp > cm punk

[@jasonbourne6365]

Lol

[@Lvnvj]

Rocky is the goat!!!

[@thinktankindi2664]

Fury compared to Ali with movement? Get out😅

[@natsphoenix]

Ali said William's caught him with a bomb n wobbled him

[@Ekorslk]

1:03 joes accent comes out lol

[@thaddeusfarmanelli6706]

It happens to New England transplants sometimes especially if you're high or drinkin as soon as someone starts droppin r's (ahhs)

[@KBWarrioR2018]

Lets put it that way, Ali was so classy, clowns like these two in the video are not even worthy of speaking about him.

[@LifeOfRy]

Corrosive blasphemy and heresy to even consider comparing Fury to Ali. Fury isn't even the discounted version.

[@NathanAAASmith]

Ali should’ve retired after Foreman.

[@j_gibbon]

Ali and pikey king don't belong in the same sentence nevermind comparing skill sets.

[@EnriquePerez-sm5ik]

This guy with black hoodie has a tatt of pazuzu on his left hand.... sheesh 😮

[@smile4me576]

It amazes me how a 52oz organism inside our skull,is non-limitless to thinking, but we as human creatures stagnant our thinking,when it comes to sum one we love. Smh...this fight was cleary fixed...i love Ali,more than any boxing fan i know,i swear on my dads grave,(2007,Feb,Rip) go back and look at when Cleveland fought Mr.Liston..i know it was a few yrs earlier and different styles...but he went toe 2,toe,with 1 of the top 3 hardest puncher's in the heavy weight history and didnt look no WHERE NEAR as bad as he did with Ali,please dont hit me with," yea the hardest punch is the one u dont see coming cause Ali was so fast"...smh...that has no explanation 4 Mr.Celevand,to not fire back consistently...he let Ali,showcase on his ass 4 a few dollars...lmao

[@NukeTenthTheGrand]

Kinda late response but Cleveland in this fight wasnt the same because he wasnt boxing due to a gunshot wound.

[@chrisshockey3681]

Dude Ali wasn't the easiest person to hit just in case you forgot...

[@jahleelx9270]

U are pretty slow

[@MrSeatog]

Man even trevor bebrik couldn't stop ali. You think hendry would ?

[@abidabid]

Thats what a perfect jab can do!

[@TheGreatestBoxing7]

Bro the glove thing was prob true. Your saying Ali got a break but also Henry got a break too. It’s fair

[@billduffe4472]

Tyson fury doesn't move anything like muhammad ali. He moves extremely well for a giant fat guy.

[@Hi-dd8gr]

P1ss off tyson fury isnt like Ali lmao

[@morgs456]

The big cat had been shot in the hip less than a year before the fight

[@MrModikoe]

but ali still proofed to excuses don't exist..3 year lay off and he came back to beat a much stronger and younger fighter to become champion again...be it williams at his best shape ever he was not going touch that slippery ali, just never.

[@jrl4907]

Ali stole that whole schtick from Gorgeous George - He admitted it. These dopes don't know anything.

[@beverlybutrum5360]

Come on mafia made liston take a dive

[@alaza61]

Not the case. Liston stayed down, basically quitting, because he didn't want the same problems he encountered the first time. If HE quit, Ali beat him fair and square. Plus, the first fight was an obvious win for Ali.

[@StuUngar]

wm young No way Liston stays down from those punches. Im the biggest Ali fan around and I believe he could take anyone in history in his prime....but he was not a heavy puncher. His flurries wore down an opponent over the course of a fight. Truth be told, many amateur fighters could get through 1 round with Ali because he lacked stopping power. There’s no way he stopped someone of the caliber of Liston with a first round KO unless Liston threw the fight. Ali KO’ing Liston in the first round is synonymous with knocking out Frazier or Tyson in the first round......Im not buying it.

[@chrisshockey3681]

Maybe the 2nd fight but in the first fight his face looked like he took a dive off the high dive straight on to the concrete...

[@chrisshockey3681]

@@StuUngar Why? Foreman knocked Joe Frazier down 6 times in 2 rounds. Um Frazier wasn't exactly a slouch... It's boxing man. Anyone can get caught. And how quickly we forget Ali pummeled a 24 year old George Foreman at 32 . Pure myth that he didn't hit hard. Have you ever heard anyone he knocked out say he didn't hit hard? Didn't think so... Only spectators say that kind of stuff...

[@StuUngar]

Chris Shockey You can’t compare Foremans punching power to Ali’s. Theyre not even in the same universe. And yes, Ive heard boxers say Ali didnt hit hard. They said it wasn’t that they hurt, it was that his punches came from odd directions and they would frustrate you and throw you off balance. Heard Ron Lyle, Frazier, and Wepner say Ali didnt hit hard, but the cumulative effect of his punches could wear you down. And your point about the Foreman fight actually helps my argument. Foreman was dropped with a Deontay Wilder-esque overhand where Ali caught Foreman and Foreman fell like a bag of bricks. He was completely gassed, was hit a flurry and had nothing left. Even then, Foreman was actually up at 9. When someone like Foreman, Tyson, Shavers, Wilder, Marciano, etc catches you clean, youre out cold

[@baddazzgarage2953]

No way is McGregor ali!! Ali shit talked but he NEVER disrespected peoples families beliefs and foul mouthed swear words! It was all fun banter!! That comment was absolutely disrespectful to ali!! McGregor same as ali are you kidding me!! 😣

[@clubberlang589]

I want McGregor deal with trash talking of MrT Clubber Lang in Rocky III.

[@clevelandwilliams5922]

Ali was doing this for fun, he wasn’t actually making it personal and he didn’t swear and demonise his opponents. Joe Frazier just took Ali jabs at him personally but it what made all 3 bouts great.

[@stevebb2915]

'enrys 'ammer

[@tmint2265]

jersey Joe walcot did it first.

[@ShadowedAgony]

Joe is still spreading misinformation about the Ali vs Cooper fight. There was no glove change and no delay.

[@LyndaBrooks-b5m]

So Joe Rogan thinks Fury could beat prime Ali after getting dropped 4 times by a guy with poor skills in Wilder..Getting dropped by some no name 6'2 heavyweight..Then getting dropped badly by a 6'2 cruiserweight in Cunningham..And then getting busted up going life and death with Otto Wallin??..The Muhammad Ali who fought Cleveland Williams would've embarrassed Fury and cut his face all to hell causing a tko💯💯😂😂

[@calbo555]

Ali vs foreman?

[@villvinno3175]

wasent ali banned from boxing 3 years for not going to war?

[@shottashabazz6721]

So?

[@adissux]

Joe rogan is a great commentator, but he don't know anything about fighting.

[@christopherduffy1703]

Williams wasn't at his best in that fight. He got shot three weeks earlier.

[@BaBy_ShoWeR]

Haha three weeks I mean it's great he got back after it but he was out for 17 months

[@chrisshockey3681]

He got shot in the face with Ali's jab about 300 times that night...

[@christopherduffy1703]

@@chrisshockey3681 Lol! You guys are funny.

[@Artistboxing]

Joe Rogan was 3 years old when Frazier fought Ali how do you remember that fight at 3 years gtfoh

[@StuUngar]

A point that almost no one ever touches on is that Ali would’ve never fought on the front lines. Ive heard vets dog Ali and say he was a coward. But Ali would’ve never been in the bush and the military even gave him that assurance. They said he would be used for morale and would fight exhibition bouts for GI’s, similar to what Joe Louis did in WWII. But Ali declined because he realized in doing so, he would be furthering the justification of the Vietnam War. So Ali turned down a few years of cushy military service, and his prime years, out of principle.

[@clubberlang589]

StuUngar Principle really, Ali believed in Mohammedan Islam that stands to never fight for the country or nation, they reside. Yes Vietnam 🇻🇳 war was immoral and unethical. However if the war was genuine and legitimate, that’s the question should be presented to him. Would he fight for the United States of America 🇺🇸. But what saved him and made him a pop icon was the fact the war was defeated by the majority and made Ali stance look 👀 it was on grounds of principle. See America treated its African Americans very badly and that is a reality. But if we look 👀 at Mohammedan Islam theology, they detest anything not Islamic and the truth about this cult is slowly coming out. The system of theology Cassius Clay chose to join. So remember that before emulating a traitor. Let’s look at there motives and what Nation of Islam really believes in. Not just look at Vietnam 🇻🇳 War and it’s horrors. Look at both sides of the picture. There is no right or wrong here.

[@StuUngar]

Bashir Hayek Ali left the Nation of Islam many years ago. Im not going to throw all Islams under the same umbrella. Thats like throwing all Judeo Christians under the bus because of the Spanish Inquisition or because of Westboro Church. Muslims are not particularly welcoming of outsiders. But historically, neither have Catholics, Jews, and Protestants.

[@clevelandwilliams5922]

@@StuUngar But they don’t kill them treat them like second class citizens & make them walk in sewage to make a point they are filthy. The Jews and Christian groups hold supremacist thinking but they don’t deny you the right to do business and the chance to feed your family. I’m not blaming all Mohammedan Muslims for the ills of forefathers but the point is theology says it in black & white.

[@jean-pierrethibaudeau7201]

You two guys don’t seem to know much about Ali, obviously.

[@theeel420]

This guys talks boxing better than Teddy Atlas

[@chrisweber6090]

Nahhhhh

[@edgargranados7704]

Nope

[@BeeBopGaming]

Anyone seen that video when Ali came to harass Joe in the casino? Joe pulls out that cap gun and scared Ali and everyone and then they all went back to playing. Back when people weren’t brainwashed to hate guns. Funny shit.

[@free2player553]

That was Liston not Joe.

[@BeeBopGaming]

@@free2player553 Damn iI swore it was joe. Good catch. Thanks!

[@free2player553]

@@BeeBopGaming Also the bullets he fired where actually blanks.

[@jas3598]

Cheated ??come on joe watch the film it was never more than 2 seconds unless they stopped rolling cameras while changing gloves idk

[@jaytroll188]

i watched this whole thing having no idea who the other guy was. vinne paz doe lmao totally forgot about jedi mind tricks

[@chrisweber6090]

That's Vinnie Paz?

[@getlostlser]

Letting Hobo's on the podcast now?

[@Colt-ii4qn]

Great performance against a very compromised opponent come on the guy had been shot! One of his legs was smaller than the other he took this fight for the money that’s it. Anybody really knows the background to the story knows that Williams did not have his balance to begin with he should’ve been in therapy not in the middle of the ring 😡

[@clevelandwilliams5922]

On the evening of November 29, 1964, 2 years before the fight, Williams was shot in the stomach by a highway patrolman, for supposedly resisting arrest. The . 357 magnum bullet moved across his intestines and lodged in his right hip, doing immense damage to his colon and right kidney. Then Ali had a Hernia that on Nov. 19 1964 for a rematch with Liston was cancelled. Then Williams found himself fighting for his life a week later. That stinks of rubbish. They knew that Clay would win the rematch because the Fix was in play. But they didn’t know what to do about mandatory challenger. So they purposefully cancelled the fight on the news Ali has a Hernia. No proof came to fruition. So they had taken Ali greatest threat of the title because he was not prepared to loose for a fix. So they attempted to kill him & his manager was on the fix, Bud Adams. These circumstances don’t just happen it was all done by design.

[@00niaas]

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