Joe Rogan on 'the God of Judo'

[@thedesertsux]

Many people think Brazilians invented these arm bars triangles and chokes it’s hilarious

[@matenegye8570]

They never invented,they perfected

[@silkplayer9]

Matene Gye tell me how they “perfectED” them???

[@krzysiek2323]

@@silkplayer9 Judo was from standing to ground mostly with little emphasis on submissions. I mean they were there but having a tap is not a ultimate goal in judo. Brazilians made it more practical in a sense that the ultimate goal is to tap someone (eg. and this way many throws where you expose your back are not used). Also they modified it to include strike defense.

[@silkplayer9]

Krzysiek “include strike deFenSe” are you sure dude watch old footages of Kodokan and traditional Jujutsu to what real footwork and defense look like. MODERN Judo heavily rely on throw yes but again please watch some videos about old school Judo + Kosen Judo to see more ground works. Those cracies did a good expand the system to the world no one ever deny that but please tell them to remember who they LEARNT the art from.

[@silkplayer9]

Tim everyone say they’re black belt in sort but very few truly able to prove themselves. Do you know how many “BLackbelted” mcdojo in the world right now?

[@dbalcita1331]

Finally. Judo gets a little credit and recognition! While i understand that brazilians took the ground work and added and tweaked and solely focused on that, many of the moves came from judo and in my opinion judo is a underestimated art. Its pretty complete as it involves standing.

[@IDvfy]

Thought it was japanese jiu jitsu

[@dbalcita1331]

@aeternak- I am aware that judo cane from japanese jui jitsu. However judo took the grappling elements and made it a sport friendly art. Well, in doing so, judo evolved and got stronger.

[@vlada]

@@dbalcita1331 Kano took the grappling AND standup, not just grappling to save the dying art of jiujitsu. But it was also the forming of curriculum, the emphasis of teaching, introducing judogis, black/white belts (not colours) and specifically the introduction of randori with safe techniques to stop jiujitsu practitioners from injuring/killing each other as was common in jj. That last one was the game changer which stopped jiujitsu from dying out.

[@zandertor6813]

Judo would be better in a street fight

[@IDvfy]

@@dbalcita1331 Hi I was referring to how BJJ came from japanese jiu jitsu is what I always heard, now I am hearing it come from judo? interesting.

[@kingbrutusxxvi]

I typed "80-year-old that weighs 13 pounds" into Google and now I'm on a government watch list. Thanks, Joe.

[@djquiksilva]

M McBride ... 😳 Maybe because you typed 80 pound 13 year old? 🤔😏🤣

[@kingbrutusxxvi]

@@djquiksilva Give me some credit... I don't like them that fat. ;-)

[@djquiksilva]

M McBride ... Sorry, my bad...I shouldn’t have assumed 😆

[@nonblackdark6606]

DJQuikSilva I don’t know to laugh or cry

[@jguinto101]

Hahahahaha

[@stevezy4772]

The Olympics changed Judo to what it is today. Throws took emphasis, newaza became secondary.

[@fable5214]

Abel Moreno You’re right in big tournaments they are rarely on the ground anymore Ref always stands us up too soon

[@robertnewell4054]

@Abel Moreno ..... The same thing happened to CATCH AS CATCH CAN WRESTLING. They eliminated all chokes, strangles & joint locks. Many of what people call BJJ are using moves long in the CACC Arsenal

[@m5a1stuart83]

With 3 seconds to attack in Newaza, Judoka may have strong power and techniques to pin someone. Just look at Travis Stevens and Koji Komuro. Both are good Judo and BJJ.

[@stevezy4772]

Neji Hyuuga Stevens trains with Renzo’s crew. Pinning is a good technique but is only a part of newaza. Judo turned into a sport with rules and regulations. Just like BJJ. Train in both. Both arts will be better for it.

[@m5a1stuart83]

@@stevezy4772 yes but BJJ far more expensive than Judo. Both are good for sure.

[@marcuscopley131]

I never understood there are so many techniques in Judo I always thought it was throws trips and sweeps. Wow this footage is incredible.

[@PierceSunderseatsRAMEN]

Yeah, I had a guy at the bar ask me about judo. I told him it depends on what your teacher is trying to accomplish with you. If your teacher is trying to turn out champions then you’re going to get spot judo. If the guy is trying to teach self defense it’s much different, and closer to that Aikido side where you’re doing things that are super dangerous. Judo is a martial art, not a sport. Sportification came second, which is wonderful to be fair but it’s still secondary.

[@Charlie-g1g]

Judo is a comprehensive martial art.

[@SKgyebaek]

The olympics ruined judo by getting rid of leg grabs and downplaying newaza.

[@Kitajima2]

I agree. There are still judoka in Japan who are trying bring the old rules back.

[@bruceparker6142]

Kosen rules never died.

[@paulsdrc]

It wasn’t the olympics it was the IJF, used to be a pin was 30 seconds of control, all or nothing. Now control for 10 seconds for Wazari, 20 seconds for Ippon.

[@SKgyebaek]

@@paulsdrc that rule was pretty useless since the majority who get the pin for 10 seconds pretty much all hold on to it for ipon

[@bertillyngelavrsen585]

Im am judoka on much high level and is almost professional and i am qualified for youth european championships. I wil say judo is more a sport as wrestling becuse thats most fun. Newaza is very boring and gay and that is why no-one makes it so much. I you fight judo with old rules wil you see that it is very boring og defensive. That is why if you want to learn to deffende yourself go to MMA istead. Old rules are for old men who meke judo manny years back becuse they saw chagi-chan movie and got a yellow belt

[@darylfields]

Finally judo is getting respect

[@camilomontoya7412]

in the US sure, in the rest of the world Judo is king, judo is more popular than bjj in Brazil! lol

[@darylfields]

@@camilomontoya7412 Are you sure

[@eirdofkoda]

@@darylfields Judo is huge in other countries. Not in the US for some reason, though we still have a fair amount of schools. They are being supplanted by BJJ schools though. But yeah. Judo competitions in Europe, Africa, the Middle East and Central Asia draw big crowds.

[@nattybynature1262]

Judo, in many countries, is what's taught to the police. One of the most effective and respected martial arts there is.

[@davidgrove6210]

The Gracies did not perfect Jiu Jitsu. Watch the early days of the UFC. BJJ was the exact same. All their moves were the exact same. It's funny how the Gracies put their name on Jiu Jitsu once Maeda died. Gracie Jiu Jitsu?! The Brazilians knew it was BS, so they were outraged about renaming it JJ to GJJ. The UFC changed BJJ. They incorporated it with other fighting arts (wrestling, sambo, pancreas, etc). It became mainstream and people started perfecting/modifying it.. not the Gracies. Ex: Eddie Bravo's rubber gaurd

[@EduardoRodriguez-ks4em]

Many odd things about Sensei Kyuso Mifune, BJJ and Maeda: at Kodokan, Mifune was a top instructor. In Brazil, we don't call it Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, we simply call it Jiu Jitsu. There are many dojos in Brazil, teaching Maeda Judo. Yes, the Gracies are warriors, but they were defeated by Catch Wrestlers, or other jiu jitsuka, like Luis Oswaldo Fadda.

[@davidgrove6210]

Witnesses say Fadda's crew beat the Gracies. Here's the dirty story on the Gracies. When Maeda passed away, the Gracies put their names all over the art. They charged an arm and a leg to teach. Fadda's crew taught everyone. Many for free. Brazilians were outraged with the Gracie Jiu Jitsu name and eventually renamed it to Brazilians Jiu Jitsu. My wifes family is from Brazil. They recall the same story. The early years of the UFC showed zero differences between GJJ and Kano Judo (or some would say Kano JuJutsu). The art evolved due to the UFC (other grappling techniques being added from other arts such as wrestling). The Gracies are dirty for taking all the credit. They called Sakuraba the Gracie killer for a reason

[@Leopar525]

Well let’s not forget Kimura that was so much better than Helio Gracie that was playing with him like a rag doll

[@KrutiperoCZ]

@@Leopar525 Let's not forget Gracies' jumping wrestlers in the back alleys after the match.

[@Rombizio]

Mifune was beyond incredible. And judo really is extremely effective at this level of technique. I have seen these videos for 25 years now and it always amazes me how relaxed he is.

[@fakeyf2]

Real Judo is no joke. In the very early days of organized Judo matches judoka were regularly crippled or killed and they had to ban many techniques.

[@abyssmanur3965]

Flying scissor takedown :)

[@mpforeverunlimited]

Sounds like the new rules are better then

[@za.monolit]

Yeah. My sensei told me how back the, when people would defend from rear chokes, many would end up getting their jaws broken from planting their chins on their chest for defense.

[@AlejandroGonzalez-wo5fk]

How humbling to have the honor of being g able to view such prestigious footage of Judo in such a primitive form. Truly truly fortunate that the technology at the time allowed this to happen. Ossu!

[@Turco949]

Having practiced Judo for a few years under a good "master", I thoroughly enjoyed this video! The old school discipline was actually more "rough" compared to Olympic Judo where you actually use powerful quick tap like slaps in the neck of the opponent when you are setting up a suitable throw. That way, the opponent is momentarily disoriented and easier to pull into the throw. Losing to smaller, lighter weight but way more skilled opponents was a very humbling experience for me but also very educational.

[@Mike_LaFontaine75]

Yes, have you seen what passes for an ippon nowadays? It used to require 'with force' now they get ippons if they roll uke over on his back. Wazari at best in old school.

[@Turco949]

@@Mike_LaFontaine75 Yup, most MAs seem very "watered down" these days.

[@siddislikesgoogle]

The cool thing about that demo, is the master throws the students with a different technique each time, and throws them successfully, on the first attempt. Amazing.

[@TheGooinureye]

Awesome how Joe knows the history of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu came from Judo.

[@KPho150]

I think at this point everybody know that...

[@wesleyhines4081]

@@KPho150 everyone except for the Gracies :/

[@TheKinesiologist1]

well no, gracies didnt change much of anything. the original syllabus is kosen judo. the only real innovator, in my opinion, is bravo.

[@WagonWheeI]

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[@WagonWheeI]

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[@chrismason91]

Those escapes and counters were amazing!!

[@derekxiaoEvanescentBliss]

mifune is also a god at feints. if you slow down the video a lot, his throws are timed off of a reaction to a preceding feint that essentially tricks the opponent to jump into his intended throw. shits insane.

[@drutgat2]

The film of Sensei Mifune was really interesting. Thanks for posting.

[@damienholland9244]

I knew an old guy who had been doing Jujitsu since age 3 or whatever. It was in The Netherlands. Up to that point I had about 10 years of experience in Jujitsu with a little bit in Judo. I couldn't grapple him at all. He was way too technically advanced and it didn't matter what I did I always was in a new painful lock somehow.

[@ethancntower8850]

This old dude looks like a gentle breeze could knock him over. Never underestimate your opponent..

[@WakeSideLife]

I am not taking away from that man at all. His technique is truly flawless but those men are willing participants who could absolutely send him for a ride were they willing to be so disrespectful. I'm surprised Joe, being as addicted to watching fake martial arts videos as he is, can't recognize a Uke selling the throw. Even in BJJ where the entire point of innovation was to reduce the advantage of the larger opponent there is a size and strength gap that becomes untenable.

[@tonyattardo9350]

Hipii I Yes it’s a demonstration, but the efficacy of technique is really unbelievable. My BJJ school has a Maeda picture at the top of our pyramid on the wall. Yes equal size, strength, and relative technique favors the bigger guy, but one of our top black belts is 5’9” 140 lbs, dresses like a substitute teacher, and runs circles around beastly green berets and door kicking cops who are brown/black belts. A giant old cranky black belt who I’ve never come close to submitting once described him as a “wet watermelon seed”, can’t get a hold of him and sooner or later he gets his whole body against one limb and it’s over. Levels.

[@88feji]

Why do people still believe in these "old master beating big young men" bullshits ??? Don't believe in such propaganda videos untill you see the "old judo master" beating aggressive trained outsiders who are there to really win without respect. All these "old master" videos are made with students who really believe he is powerful, as we see with the "no touch" masters, the students psyche themselves out of winning during fights with the old master ... its the same with this old judo master.

[@DylanZapf-dm4mh]

Hipii That’s what you think. I’m sure even at 74 and decrepit, he could still defeat these men if they so chose to fight him seriously.

[@DylanZapf-dm4mh]

88feji you would normally be correct. this however, is not the case. find out who this man is, and you’ll understand the error in calling this video “bullshit”. this old man is the real deal.

[@mikeysan01]

It is great to see Mifune Sensei get some well-deserved recognition!!!

[@garywilliamson1859]

Mifune's techniques are truly amazing even for a much younger judoka. I can see why he was called the God of Judo. Thanks for the video. It's great!

[@blusuck]

Judo and catch. The real origins of what we all love today

[@nurd5776]

You can tell the creator of the video truly respects Judo and the history of it. I only did Judo for 6 years but now looking at it, I really want to come back to it, incorporating some of my boxing and maybe learn more forms in the future

[@guilhermeferreira8288]

The man who really made the level of Judô/jiu-jitsu grows in Brazil, in Rio de Janeiro was George Medhi, he did lived lived in Japan practicing in Tenry university for years and when he came back to Brazil he opened his School and noboby was good, strong and have the knoledge he haved.

[@fiftyfadesofgrey]

Like Chris Haueter said. We’re practicing an art which is Japanese origin, brazilian modified, and now American influenced jiujitsu. Which includes wrestling etc. it is has now evolved to mix now and what works in grappling.

[@Moodymongul]

the last 9 minutes ..Priceless footage!

[@jmarkalbright]

My Judo Sensei Glenn Rogers showed the class a film of this master in 1964 when I was 12. I studied with him for a few years but unfortunately girls, beer and pot just seemed more important. I could pin every wrestler on my high school team and I even new a few karate guys I had no trouble with and I only weighed 135. Wish I had the discipline to stick with judo but at least I learned how to fall and rear choke was one of the first things we learned on the mat along with ground control. Thanks for sharing.

[@stuart5811]

Judo is great-full speed full power

[@changmark]

At that age to be so fluid, agile and devastating in terms of those locks is something really marvellous.

[@gregallen9065]

Such a high level of Judo demonstrated there. Miss my days of rolling with people.

[@redstaplerguyforlifepastpr5763]

What happened ? Was it the Corona? I got some in the other day, I was worried about the Corona closing down the dojo. Glad it didn't

[@JardoniJovonovich]

Mifune.... old dude. Gracie's perfected nothing. Mifune, Oda , kawaishi , Aida would've tied Helio into a knot anytime they wanted too. Pre ww2 Judo was a complete martial art with devastating Atemi.

[@peterbartolomeo5542]

1924 and before it was brutal

[@willbower7617]

How do you learn more about techniques that are lost in most classes?

[@MK-vi2cm]

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[@kraftwerk974]

Olympics changed judo from what you see in these images to a purely throwing sports. As it changed Taekwondo from being pure shotokan karate to being a kicking sports.

[@spikesagal]

Mifune is a true master. I have never seen anyone fight with such skill and grace.

[@silenciothequiet3471]

If only they could bring back traditional judo, it is even more relevant in the era of mma.

[@Mike_LaFontaine75]

Freestyle Judo is trying. Support them!

[@Greenman422]

Those armbar escapes and reversals are crazy.

[@fightfannerd2078]

every submission finish in MMA is from Judo lets get it right

[@ray.n_l]

I mean there's also Catch Wrestling

[@fightfannerd2078]

@@ray.n_l some of it yeah

[@melvel2354]

Yeeep!

[@NickoGibson]

I'd think moves like this have been used throughout time by people who thought a lot about combat. Sometimes they would pass it on, sometimes they would not. "The best techniques are passed on by the survivors" -Gaiden Shinji

[@kombijr]

I remember training at this dojo and going up against what looked like a seasoned judoka. Man....he had no mercy against me (white belt) and kept striking my Shins. It fucking hurt, but I didn’t show it. Lol moral of the story is Judo isn’t for the faint of heart.

[@Snacks079]

Haha, tbh he was probably taking it easy on you. Why he was striking your shin is a little weird to me, you would never lose balance if i hit your legs that high. But i still remember my sensei shouting to use all my force when trying to swipe someones legs from under them, so at a certain point you become used to it. He could probably hit you a lot harder, because a trained judoka can hold his balance like no other, so it takes a lot more force (if that is your style) to break that balance. But judo is def not for the faint of heart. I broke my right elbow 3 times, got chocked out multiple times, had many many injuries, and returned the favor many times as well ;)

[@Vscustomprinting]

@@Snacks079 sounds like a dumb way to train

[@angussiegloff5238]

One of the best black belts in my club kicks your shins till you move your foot into the spot he wants it.

[@dirtnap5885]

No DMT or elk were used in any of this podcast....

[@googleprivacyfilter8480]

Thank you for the video Joe, the escapes were particularly interesting.

[@Charlitos1988]

3:03 kata guruma at that age is impressive !

[@pauldwalker]

exactly, even with a willing partner.

[@snakething87]

That footwork was incredible.

[@noneyabusiness6957]

Hopefully when this Coronavirus deal is over I’ll be going to Pedros Judo club for lessons.....It’s great knowing a great school like that isn’t far away from my home

[@noneyabusiness6957]

W. George If that’s the case hopefully they can figure something out so people can get back to a normal life....I’m already anti social but I’d love to go to a Judo club a few nights a week and train

[@lmk2869]

Made Travis Johnson the way he is.

[@Gerald-of-Riviera]

W. George doubt

[@johnbravo1034]

Great to see the lineage of an art showcased like this. I admire these past martial artists; they are our “spiritual” ancestors.

[@ejlova_92suriname8]

Every technique in bjj was already invented by jugoro kano. I also do bjj and judo and found an old judo book that already have the bjj technique.

[@tacticalcombatfighter2787]

Jigoro Kano wasn't invented it. The Techniques already exist in Japanese Ju-jutsu, long before Judo is born.

[@kirstencarpenter663]

I liked how he countered the arm bar at the end that was slick

[@alfonso365]

BJJ = Basically just judo

[@stuart5811]

I met someone that didn't realize jujitsu is Japanese

[@feidan6273]

If BJJ is Judo, then why bbj practitioners always pull guard?

[@tyhatfield7156]

Jimmy Alderson yea I have meet some that don’t think there is DZR Japanese Jujitsu Then in Portuguese there is no word Jujitsu

[@Kitajima2]

@@feidan6273 Because they only care about the ground. Did you watch multiple Gracies get stomped by Sakuraba? Or Kimura tossing Helio around like a ragdoll? Edit: BJJ didn't innovate anything until Eddie Bravo. And maybe that one Gracie in the 80's

[@feidan6273]

David Kitajima Michael Bisping said that BJJ doesn’t work against 2 or more opponents. BJJ doesn’t work in general. Who doesn’t bring a pocket knife nowadays? If anyone takes me down, I will take out my blade and stab him, I don’t care if the judge tells me that it isn’t self defense. Why would anyone want to fight one person when all you have to do is run?

[@ryanstewart939]

Bjj is just a percentage to approach tactics version of Judo, Judo currently mostly 70-30% Tachi waza(standing) 30 (ne waza) ground. Bjj the other way around, I do both, Bjj brown belt , although there is a longer ground element for sports tactics, the fundamentals of self defence stay pretty similar. Brazilians did not invent anything.

[@m5a1stuart83]

They did invent BJJ to what we know today. They innovate what Judo Newaza was in the old days and focus on it.

[@vlada]

No way in hell does BJJ do 30% standup. And by standup, they only do single leg and every once in awhile someone teaches an overly complicated roll/takedown combo. The standup is an afterthought like salad at an all you can rat buffet, you put a salad leaf and some corn just for show.

[@Dewitt-b8n]

He is the difference with ground skills in a street fight. You get put on your back where you as BJJ are at home could get taken away when you hit that concrete. Stand up in a street fight with good judo skills is deadly against a non trained person. But if somehow you get taken down hard without the concrete breaking your hip and back and skull its lights out for your opponent. IMO stay off the ground in a street fight. Western boxing is the required skill for a street fight. Because you don't know what they know and vice versa.

[@ryanstewart939]

@@vlada Guess its is dependant on where you train, I found in Judo there is always the mix of about 70-30, when doing BJJ your right its mostly ashi harai (foot sweep) uchi mata(inside hip) single double and basic snap down techniques, although the school I attend for BJJ Has takedown specific for bjj classes, I do agree there is no general approach like Judo.

[@ryanstewart939]

@@m5a1stuart83 they modified the approach, elongating the time on the ground to allow more play (in sport), the techniques remain mostly the same, I would say BJJ has a wider combination of attacks , As judo usually has 1 throw, then proceeding with the best available attack, although in a self defence which Judo was originally designed for, how many combos do you need. I teach BJJ And often say that most of the combos are for sport, although I stand by my original point if you research thoroughly its the approach not the moves Brazil added, which has some benefit , but outside of no gi submission grappling (mainly 10th planet system), and modern footlocking combinations all the ones were already there just the exploration has deepened with time and approach.

[@TerryAfrica]

Damn, just saw all kinds of techniques i thought were created by the brazilians. I was taught by my professor that judo doesn't have back takes, foot locks, guard play guard passes. Wow.respect

[@redstaplerguyforlifepastpr5763]

Damn that Little guy was ahead of his time, absolutely amazing!

[@riggsmurtah2788]

Grappling is life

[@huntergrant6520]

I use to watched the mifune footage as a kid for hours on repeat. Trying to throw mifune was like throwing an empty gi.

[@ReisterJP]

look up the judoka Tsunetane Oda next.

[@ReisterJP]

@@emperorjimmu9941 hahaha i can see it. "bjj is actually culturally appropriating judo. I don't even know what's real anymore!"

[@Slit518]

Many years ago when I was taking Taekwondo, we would also learn Hapkido (a Korean martial art which is like a combination of Judo and Akido). Well, one day they had a demonstration that involved this 7th degree black belt, probably around the same age as the gentleman in this video. I was the demonstration person for the man's throws and tosses. And let me tell you, I am 6' and at the time weighed ~175, the gentleman was a good 6 to 8 inches smaller than me, but could toss me around like nothing. That went on for like an hour. Oh yeah, he also applied locks on me as part of the demonstration, too. A real nice guy. He was my master's master.

[@darcyfox2575]

i love the footy of mifune and i found it through rogan. perfect vid boii

[@WagonWheeI]

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[@widehotep9257]

Mayeda taught the Gracies "Kosen" which was a derivative of Juda focusing on the ground game and submissions rather than throws from the standing position.

[@showmethedammovie]

The problem for judo is in its competition. There was no emphasis on learning these things when the points were made earlier on in the match. I. E. Throws trips and pins

[@sowts5157]

The balance of the guy is pretty eye catching he's so poised only seems to move as much as he needs to.

[@stuart5811]

Judo is a great combat sport-learning how to fall can save your life

[@Nenad-ICXC-Shuput-GFAMMA]

Amazing video, full of information and demonstration of Judo BJJ lock interlacing.. thank you.

[@watch-me-fail]

Judo has 3 main Technique sections: Nage Waza (Throwing Techniques), Katame Waza / "Ne Waza" (ground / mat techniques), and Atemi Waza (Striking techniques). Brazilian Jiujitsu is a focus on the Katame Waza part of the Judo game. So technically BJJ is Judo. In Brazil it was known as Kano-ryu Jiu Jitsu after Jigoro Kano the founder of Kodokan Judo. Unfortunately, Judo practitioners have advantages over BJJ players: 1. BJJ practitioners do not practice throws / kake / nage waza 2. Judoka practice Ne Waza (not extensively) but can still use strength with knowledge to overcome the superior tactics of a BJJ player. Olympic judoka, focused on winning Olympic competition, do not draw from the depth of Kodokan judo that uses techniques that are outlawed in competition and allowed in many BJJ tournaments like ADCC, ATOS, EBI, etc. If judoka were more focused on the full repertoire truly no BJJ practitioner / player would be a match for them.

[@fidelantonioferguson4182]

Actually all of those techniques originated from jujutsu. Kodokan simply separated the techniques to make it elegant because jujutsu has been abused by street thugs after the dissolution of the samurai.

[@nicolastellez_nt]

@@fidelantonioferguson4182 But Gracie's learned from Maeda and he was a Judo guy

[@fidelantonioferguson4182]

@@nicolastellez_nt nope. Maeda was taught the whole aspect of japanese jujutsu. What he was tasked to do was teach judo a subset of jujutsu. He taught the whole aspect of jujutsu to the gracies and the gracies only focused and developed newaza the ground aspect of jujutsu.

[@mongolchiuud8931]

@@fidelantonioferguson4182 According to Maeda's offical bio and records including Maeda's current modernday descendants who run the Conde Koma Judô Clube in belem brazil. Maeda only ever studied "Sumo and later Judo" not Jujutsu(Pre-Meji-Samurai era systems). Also "Judo" is not a subset of Jujutsu. IT IS JUJUTSU....Jujutsu is a general umbrella term for various related and unrelated unarmed grappling systems in Japan and is not a name of a single system or style. Judo is considered the successor system to Kito Ryu Jujutsu. Also groundwork was only developed in 1890s as a counter to Judo by Fusen Ryu headmaster Tanabe Mataemon and his friends at the Handa dojo and is not apart of any Jujutsu system and fully absorbed into Judo which further devleoped modern guardplay. Fun Fact: You can type in ANY traditional Jujutsu System and there will be ZERO ground grappling and ground work is not apart of ANY pre-judo Jujutsu system.

[@de4dbydesi9n6]

That was amazing! Thank you for posting.

[@tranlangamingo5409]

74 y/o pickin niccas up and slamming em down, dangerous person.

[@ThePresentation010]

Would obviously be a Japanese man.. just makes sense. No other culture or people comes to mind.

[@chorinu7609]

I'm sure I read somewhere about throw mastery and the many slight differences progessing through levels of difficulty. In old times, if I remember right, one had to demonstrate perfect form in all throws in order to challenge the Master of a dojo.

[@drutgat2]

Many thanks for posting this.

[@jayephbee]

Nice video, I love all grappling.

[@StevenIuele98]

Very interesting channel! You deserve more subs man, so much good judo content on here

[@CombatLifeSoft]

Thanks Steven!

[@soundtreks]

Collar choke is also pretty wicked.

[@rashidskh]

Joe, my friend, there's no perfection to Judo.. Judo is already perfect... BJJ is just ne-waza part of Judo with some Brazilian NOISE.

[@y.tomohiro952]

Tge judo in the past was perfect, the current judo is not, because of all the BS rules they made.

[@accadueoaccadueo945]

Yeah let's see... I bet if you pick any top judoka and I pick any world class bjj Black belt , there's no way the judoka can win in a grappling match. That's why judoka play judo and bjj practicioners play bjj. Stop making these ridicolous arguments.

[@alfzacharias7878]

@@accadueoaccadueo945 Well, Hélio Gracie got his ass handed to him by Masahiko Kimura. Ridiculous argument? I think not...

[@adrianescamilla3573]

Incredible Video, last seconds of the video was legendary.

[@baewuf]

Imagine getting standing fireman’s carried by a 80 year old

[@igorabdoaguilar9331]

old school kata guruma, it looks brutal when Mifune did it

[@peanutbutler3078]

I just learned that yoko shiho gatame variant with the hand and the sankaku jime escape thank you so mucj

[@PoeticSonic]

Just like the gracies went in depth into the ground aspect and named it jiu jitsu, Eddie bravo went in depth into the style of fighting without gi which is a big difference, yet even though he still gave a lot of props for the gracies for how he made the techniques, the jiu jujitsu gave him shit for years. Especially when he won one of their best fighters in the biggest tournament in jujitsu TWICE. Most of the techniques used in the MMA is based on 10th planet system of jiujitsu.

[@wildcat31772]

"Most of the techniques used in the MMA is based on 10th planet system of jiujitsu." not true, literally at all. he didn't event "lockdown' or whatever. Rubber guard is barely used (and was a thing before eddie named it) and when it is used, nothing really comes from it. Twister has been successful maybe twice. 10th planet relies on a physical trait (flexibility). Eddie beat Royler a long ass time ago, and he's ridden that into what he has going on now. After Royler he did fuck all in any competition afaik.

[@PoeticSonic]

@@wildcat31772 by system I meant the focus on the higher part of the body which wasn't in of jiujitsu, I used 10th planet as an example because they where from the first few if not the first to start training in jiu jitsu with no gi. Many of the techniques that uses the manipulates the gi in jiujitsu is taken off the table right away in mma, now add the supplementary techniques that depend a lot on catching on something which doesn't work as well in mma because your legs easily slip off do to sweat. And that needed to accounted for.

[@tcomizij5062]

In case you think this, the Gracies didn't coin the term "jiujitsu", or were even the ones to originally call their style "jiujitsu." To my knowledge, 'jiujitsu' is simply a romanization of the Japanese 柔術 , a term which has existed for centuries and which simply means ~"gentle art" (other romanizations include Jujutsu, or Ju-Jitsu). As a matter of fact, when Judo first came into the sphere, it was originally commonly known as "Kano Jiujitsu", while Kano would insist on calling it 'Judo' (due to the difference in etymology which he perceived to be important). As with "Gracie Jiu-Jitsu" being the named adopted by the Gracies. To quote master Magalhaes, "Well, there is no American, Brazilian, Japanese, Russian, Planet or any other name. *There is only Jiu-Jitsu!* If these people don’t know, until the art exploded in the US, Brazil, Europe, Japan and other places the art was called Ju Jitsu or Jiu-Jitsu. It was in _here,_ in the US, that people started to brand it that way. Back in *Brazil,* we never said we practice _'Jiu-Jitsu Brasilero'._ It was Jiu-Jitsu. Period.” (emphasis mine)

[@dcltaylor]

They used to say that fighting Mifune was like fighting an empty jacket.

[@gunplaygaming6830]

strongest dude i ever rolled with was a judoka.

[@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069]

Damn, I didn't realize Judoka were still using and teaching triangle chocks from the bottom this recently!

[@MaxSluiman]

For your information: (And before someone tries to give bjj the aura of old masters): Maeda did a different form of judo, than Mifune. They were from different generations. Mifune, like judo founder Kano, was concentrating on the FEELING for balance and mental development. Not on using force and concentrating on physical fitness per se. Part of this was not to concentrate on defeating people in matches. Kano said that literally: "It's not about being better than the other person, but being better than yesterday". One can clearly see Mifune having superior feeling for balance, in this famous footage. That kind of judo disappeared when judo became an Olympic sport. Because for young people typically fitness leads quicker to medals than years of developing feeling for balance. Most of Kano's students were older, matured, ex military ju-jutsuka. Ju-jutsu was then mostly very brutal and aimed at destroying people. And not so much about grappling. And when Kano's school won the very brutal ju-jutsu matches at the police academy, against other ju-jutsu schools, all but two matches were won by this one student of Kano: Shiro Saigo. Saigo was a former high ranking student of Sokaku Takeda in Daito Ryu aiki jutsu, who had received only about a year of training from Kano. But he made 'Kano ju-jutsu', Kano and thus Mifune famous. And Saigo left Kano shortly afterwards. Probably having given more than he received. Daito Ryu was very different from the aikido like Daito Ryu of today. It was brutal and, according to Takeda's student Morihei Ueshiba (who turned aiki jutsu into aikido), "inhumane". Maeda (who was of a later generation of Judo than Mifune) concentrated on teaching children. In order to develop the bodies of school children (who, by then, were sitting behind a desk most of the day). Here more power and wrestling were encouraged to develop children's strength. Not the mindful feeling of balance, which is too much to ask of kids without combat experience. Also, to motivate the kids, matches were held. And it was this completely different kind of judo, that Meada taught Gracie. Gracie applied Maeda's 'childrens judo' to grown up combat sports. And this wrestling in judo gi, is what we today call BJJ. Which has little to do with the principles and techniques that Kano and Mifune practiced. Or with ju-jutsu. For 'ju' in ju-jutsu means 'flexible' and in judo it means 'soft'. Neither of which can be found in BJJ.

[@MaxSluiman]

@@emperorjimmu9941 that's what I read too. Also that Saigo would study cats 'falling' from buildings to improve his ukemi. And as a result he would be able to jump out of any situation.

[@Supermomo2007]

Is it true that hapkido is closer to daito ryu aiki jujutsu?

[@jrcogburn]

Thank you for sharing this

[@spearfishingmozambiquesouth]

After watching this video, I wonder what was invented in Brasil, with all respect, I only see leverage in all the technics.

[@josephjohnson8353]

Mifune was the epitome of Judo.

[@captainawsomeface]

Cool to hear Joe talking about judo but got to disagree with him about the Mifune clip. The students are definitely not going 100%, Mifune was certainly a great judoka but he is like 80 years old in the clip, what is going on is a polite randori session where the students are allowing him to work his technique (which is obvs amazing)

[@CombatLifeSoft]

Agree, especially as the cameras are on and the whole point of the filming is to preserve footage of Mifune's Judo. Wish there was the same for other pioneers like Tomita and Kano himself.

[@useridwitheld4934]

Exactly wouldnt have posted if I would have read your spot on conclusion first

[@pauldwalker]

Well, of course they are not going 100%. That doesn't change the fact that his throws are real and demonstrate what is damn near perfect technique. Even if your partner is being respectful and willing, it still requires an incredible amount of skill to pull it off as smoothly as Master Mifune did.

[@captainawsomeface]

@@pauldwalker yeah that's literally what I was saying...

[@pauldwalker]

captainawsomeface you get it.

[@Lillianachimp]

Dude those gi chokes look brutal

[@kalijasin]

Khabib Nurmagomedov is a judo black belt.

[@garichar]

He's a muslim

[@OkurkaBinLadin]

@@garichar So?

[@garichar]

@@OkurkaBinLadin Exactly

[@maxbrazil3712]

Judo is like the Tango. When you know exactly what your partner/opponent is going to do then you can balance appropriately. That's what Judo is, going with the flow like water around a rock.

[@MrPhilharmonica1]

Judo came from Jiu Jitsu. In 1882 Jigoro Kano took many techniques from Jiu Jitsu and created Judo. Jiu Jitsu lost some of it appeal with Judo's popularity. Jiu Jitsu as an art is older. Todays BJJ, yes it is highly influenced by Judo as many illegal fights were organized by the elder Gracie. He fought with the great Kimura from Japan when it was illegal for a Judoka to participate in MMA fights . Kimura was penalized by not getting higher ranks for years. He was forgiven years later I believe. One of the techinques lost in the sport was leg/ankle locks due to their injurious nature.

[@sylver76]

"Ju Jutsu" was not one art that Judo inherited from. There were many ju jutsu ryu, some of them specializing on weaponry and such. Each had their own set of techniques. Judo was refined from several of these martial arts, taking some techniques from each and ditching the rest. Ju Jutsu ryu had a very poor reputation in Japanese society and were on the brink of disappearing when Kano began his martial journey, and when he elaborated Judo, many of these ryu entrusted him with their manuals so that something would get passed on. BJJ wasn't "influenced" by Judo. Judo is what the Gracie learned from Count Maeda who learned Judo from Kano. There is no direct link between Japanese Ju Jutsu and BJJ, the Gracie learned Judo, not Ju Jutsu. However, because Judo was still known as "Kano ju jutsu" around that time, the Gracie called their variation "Gracie Ju Jutsu".

[@rustyshackleford735]

His ground work was far from what it is today, but things evolve and it's always interesting to let ok back at the roots.

[@theodoresmith3353]

We’ve lost so much as they introduce rules over the years. No grabbing legs has nothing to do with safety.

[@WakeSideLife]

Only wanna see the big throws for views at the Olympics lol

[@theodoresmith3353]

Hipii i think its to stop wrestlers and jiu jitsu practitioners from doing well in competition.

[@lmk2869]

@@theodoresmith3353 it's one of the reasons I LEFT Judi for bjj! Ijf is terrible and corny

[@theodoresmith3353]

LMK2 there are judo competitions that allow leg grabs but the fact that the community allows the atrophy of the art is unforgivable.

[@lmk2869]

@@theodoresmith3353 they are so much rarer to find though. BJJ is simply more 'cooler' to the masses. No need to master Japanese terminology (stupid IMO), allowed to grab legs and submit from standing, don't have to bow too much, depending on gym can have any coloured and type gi want, no Kata and best of all, is not driven by the Olympics and the IJF ruleset.

[@Moodymongul]

catch wrestling (and a number of other wrestling styles) helped in the formation of Judo too :) It's cool to have all these historic connections within wrestling styles world wide.

[@emmanuelpena2228]

Honestly, there were a bunch of techniques I recognized as basically a wrestling move of some sort.

[@v.d.2738]

And vice versa.

[@apex9841]

How does his wife hug him without expecting to get her back snapped?

[@kilobravo4320]

The Brazilians did not make newaza more technical they just did the same thing their Japanese counter parts did BJJ tarted evolving in very short recent history.

[@ohayosumodayton1226]

Sadly many judoka don't train traditional judo thanks to the Olympics making technique illegal in tournament. So now, they train according to the rules.

[@AZTigerMMA]

Beautiful edits this is a beautiful video . Thank you. - *deep bow

[@pgskills]

K. Not downing the skill and power on display, but this isn't full resistance or randori. It's a demo. Sure, the guy's students aren't going to do a triple-Lindy somersault to sell the throws, a la most aikido demos, but they're consciously resisting only to a minimal or handicapped degree. The simple technique of throwing someone is all about leverage, angle, and relative levels and directions of force being applied. That 'relative levels of force' aspect obviously applies if you're talking about throwing someone bigger than you. But it doesn't apply as significantly as the leverage and angle. The ukes in demos like this are consciously stopping themselves from reacting naturally to change the angle and leverage, i.e.; they're 'resisting' from the exact angle the technique is meant to be executed. Basically they're allowing the master to demonstrate that you can't just muscle through to defeat these throws. Being able to actually 'catch' someone with throws like these and execute them fully involves all those things (leverage, angle, force and directions) AND timing/explosiveness. And even then a skilled knowledgeable defender will at least hamper the results most of the time and bring you down with them or elbow you in the head on the way down. That's why you almost NEVER see crisp, clean sweeps and throws in high level MT or MMA. That's why those takedowns/trips that totally send someone flying to the ground make the all-time highlight reel. Rousey was able to get off some spectacular throws in her career because many of her opponents were just not that skilled and/or were so scared of going to the ground and getting arm-barred that they limited their reactions and tried to just muscle their way out of the throw/hold and, (go figure!), good technique is good because you can't just muscle out of it. Being an uke in a TMA like aikijutsu, judo,or other arts involving chin na (jointlocks and throws) is a strange role to play, TBH. There are always unwritten rules regarding showing proper respect and deference when the master is trying to demonstrate a technique with you. Even when you're told to 'resist' there are very obvious restrictions to the term, often hazily defined. You'll get masters who don't think the technique is properly executed/demonstrated unless/until the uke is tapping out writhing in pain or slamming into the ground at Mach 2. Those ukes can then consciously or subconsciously choose to 'resist' less and less so they'll play up the pain reaction faster or propel themselves into a proper breakfall or rollout in order to minimize the risk of injury to themselves. This then gradually evolves into the aikido-type demos that look more like choreographed dancing. As someone with some years put in practicing those kinds of arts, it's a weird dynamic most of the time, in my experience. Some masters do understand and teach the proper way to navigate the dynamics of such a demo in a way that maximizes its instructive value and this judo master is obviously one of those who knew how to do that and passed it along to his students. Most of these guys are showing an excellent understanding of how to be a proper uke, resisting just enough and in the certain way to show how the technique would go down optimally. I doubt either the master or his students really thought of it as some sort of spontaneous/sparring/randori scenario.

[@crustyzimmerman3324]

There was a book written by someone called Ed Harrison, I think. He was a 4th Dan Judo and lived in Japan in the 1920’s. His book describes many things about life and practice in those times, including Judo with attemi (striking) which was common, but he didn’t mention Karate at all.

[@o0...957]

Maximum groundwork is same. Gracie didn't perfect them they just learned it

[@trainerd1]

It’s Mifune and the guys attacking him are all 8th dan and above.

[@suicidalsacrifice2001]

Judo are the throwing techniques from jujitsu. Brazilian jujitsu was a combination of greco Roman wrestling and the locking techniques of jujitsu. Aikido itself are the locking techniques from jujitsu. The two masters were jujitsu students that had different ideas and specialized in those specific areas.

[@parisiennemoonlight6650]

Well ju jitsu comes from Japan.

[@machinegunmcgurn1203]

Everything in Brazilian jujitsu came from Japanese jujitsu.

[@rafchez1970]

Would’ve love to see helio Gracie vs this old master doing a friendly roll at equal ages in their golden years. Just amazing that would be seeing true masters rolling. Not hurting each other.

[@RGTomoenage11]

My instructor is in his late 30s. Retired from competition and claims he is out of shape lol but beats that hell out of all of us like nothing which tells us we are bums lmao 😂

[@jrmayun]

It's very humbling to spar with someone reallllllyy good. Our coach in Judo was also retired from competing but would ragdoll almost everyone. His trips were specially amazing to see. Was humbling especially for the heavyweights. Our gym owner was also a black belter in bjj and used to beat the guy who got bronze in the recent SEA games. He hasn't practiced in years but was just staying on top of people spinning around literally looked like he was surfing on people who asked to spar with him. Was amazing to see. He's only participated three times but man was that amazing.

[@RGTomoenage11]

jrm_ayun yeah bro, it’s humbling and amazing. I mean this dude can still do 100 burpees and claims he is out of shape haha (at least to his standard). But yeah, he is 150 pounds former Japanese team member. Is hard to even get a grip on him. I tell him to join the world masters, hopefully I convince him eventually.

[@chris0021kh]

It's kinda sad that IJF doesn't allow to touch legs anymore or that they don't give much emphasis to newaza

[@Ironborn4]

2:58 that's a double leg takedown. I thought those were illegal in Judo competition

[@00000000mb]

They were legal prior to 2010.

[@Ironborn4]

@@00000000mb why change? They didn't want wrestlers to jump in and do double legs all over the place?

[@00000000mb]

@@Ironborn4 Seem to be two reasons: 1., some traditional judokas want judo to look like it has traditionally, with a lot of the big high amplitude throws. 2., marketing and worry about the Olympics. There is worry that if judo isn't distinct enough from wrestling and viewers don't see a lot of big throws, the IOC may eliminate judo from the Olympics. Note that a few years ago the IOC tried to eliminate wrestling itself from the Olympics, so this is a valid concern. Some judokas think the rules that eliminate leg grabs are ridiculous... Others don't really care and will just compete under whatever the rules are.

[@Ironborn4]

@@00000000mb interesting.. I do remember that in thaiboxing they removed the outside leg trip and hip/shoulder throws because of judoka dominating them in those exchanges

[@ZacNotZachary]

@@Ironborn4 I was not aware of either of these cases, very interesting how instead of embracing the wrestlers and judokas entering their sport they decided just to remove those aspects. As far as I'm concerned every time you remove an aspect you're weakening the art