Joe Rogan and Sebastian Junger talk about how modern society is making people more depressed and why. Taken from Joe Rogan Experience #975.
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@forman2084 жыл бұрын
I remember when I first left college how completely unappealing the real world was. My whole life I NEVER had an interest in the rat race, a career, making money. Because I've come to realize, a life based solely on me is completely unfulfilling for me. I get no satisfaction out of doing shit just for me. That's why I feel like I was infinitely happier in college. I was in a group of close friends, we always did shit together, had so many great memories. But today, just living for myself, feels TOTALLY meaningless
@91111ful3 жыл бұрын
Same, been a top athlete my whole life and it’s been tough readjusting my direction after college and seeing how everything in the real world works just sucks, greed, power, unethical practices. almost feels like I’m living to die sometimes.
@91111ful3 жыл бұрын
No way we’re living the way we’re supposed to be
@notoriusdrifter403 жыл бұрын
So thats why I feel like shit, because of Homeschooling, in school, when I am in a class, when we do shit together when we laugh together, do stupid stuff. It's so fucking fun, damn I fucking miss that part of school. I feel like I dont belong anywhere anymore, I feel lost, lonely and gone. And I'll be 15 in a couple of months. I hope for better days man. Sorry for ranting
@91111ful3 жыл бұрын
@@notoriusdrifter40 what’s good my guy, we literally need human interaction to exist.. so you not having that is what’s wrong. Nothing is wrong with you I promise. Just gotta try and get out and talk to people more. You plan on going to college?
@notoriusdrifter403 жыл бұрын
@@91111ful Uhm I wont be going to college, but I will be going to like a school where you learn how to do a job you wanna do. I live in Germany by the way. It's similiar to college, but it lasts about 3 years. I have three really good friends, like best friends and I have some people i talk to. But seeing how much more my brother, or some class peers have friends makes me feel really depressed and like a failure. At least I am really passionate about Music and playing Guitar. I cant wait for this COVID shit to be over, so I have better chances at meeting new people.
@michaelg80665 жыл бұрын
The most lonely I have ever felt was in a room full of people.
@landonic814 жыл бұрын
Happens to me all the time.
@mck76464 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you're introverted. We do well in solitude.
@EternaLivesMatter4 жыл бұрын
I used to say this...wow!!.....that was the most awful feeling. Today....I love to be all alone and when I am in a room full of people I see their emptiness and lonliness I see the desperation in them to fill the void that is so obvious and that once existed in me....Jesus Christ came into my heart ...by faith....he saved my wretched soul from hell he brought me out of darkness he gave me life and he filled me with peace that surpasses understanding :))
@danielnobel58694 жыл бұрын
Must be the dmv
@smartalec88554 жыл бұрын
Amen
@Josephmgo14 жыл бұрын
“We’re the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War’s a spiritual war… our Great Depression is our lives. We’ve all been raised on television to believe that one day we’d all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won’t. And we’re slowly learning that fact. And we’re very, very pissed off.” ― Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club
@jamesb84674 жыл бұрын
Joseph Go awesome! Great movie
@Bnlol14 жыл бұрын
God fuck that, fuck another war. War never made humanity heroic or meaningful. War just made humanity monstrous, cruel and broken
@jayzplayz66594 жыл бұрын
That movie is my life. War is always going on....hot or cold, mental, spiritual, etc. The mental struggles I’ve been through by far out way any physical pain that I have experienced. The strange part is that I accomplished all the goals I sat out for....then I felt more empty than ever. How the hell does being in Bora Bora at age 23 not make your depression go away? I couldn’t figure that out back then. I essentially just let go of everything that I’d worked so very hard for. I’m much happier but money is always an issue no matter what right? I’m just trying to be content with what I have, and live day to day.
@ethanmcfarland82404 жыл бұрын
Bnlol1 True war is terrible But war gives men purpose To die and fight for a cause greater then themselves Men want purpose so much they will go to extremes to achieve that
@Bnlol14 жыл бұрын
@@ethanmcfarland8240 right the cause of "absolute and utter fucking masochistic chaos" sure is SO meaningful. Have you ever actually *read* the memoires of soldiers who saw war firsthand? In Vietnam, in Korea, in Europe, in the Pacific. there was no meaning, only trauma, pain, and insanity.
@Jack-th7tz7 жыл бұрын
This is why a zombie apocalypse sounds so appealing to people
@JaxBeach2NewportBch6 жыл бұрын
Escalathor _ the purge
@jd-zu5ok6 жыл бұрын
Jack that's not it. Those people just watch too many movies and have zero lives.
@Swoll12316 жыл бұрын
j d Bro what you just said re affirms the point of this podcast excerpt and this comment You can’t see that?
@blitznone11425 жыл бұрын
Life without the IRS, sounds good
@dantejones82905 жыл бұрын
Your in Neverland!
@TheGrantnorman5 жыл бұрын
It seems like people are hungering for meaning and heroism.
@johnnyhshify4 жыл бұрын
That is why make believe super hero films are so popular and people are retreating to video games
@Lat3ksi4 жыл бұрын
That's also why young people from around the world join ISIS.
@grahamhettrick99114 жыл бұрын
Check out Dr Jordan B Peterson. He has talked about this forever!
@TheLouisianan4 жыл бұрын
@@Lat3ksi and why Benito's movement was so popular in Italy. He pushed meaning in life through constant struggle.
@fsrsaa4 жыл бұрын
💯🎯
@BUCKETHEADache5 жыл бұрын
The world we live in runs on negative energy
@joedohn97275 жыл бұрын
BUCKETHEADache clever joke and love ur username
@guitarsANDcars394 жыл бұрын
Truth. Go on Twitter or facebook.
@mck76464 жыл бұрын
Yep, society is kept in a cycle of fear and uncertainty so people look for comforts to help them cope with life. The wealthy elite rule this world, the rest of us are just left to fend for ourselves in this rat maze.
@mercy4you-9274 жыл бұрын
@elnombre *wants over in america idk where you're at
@mjohnson17414 жыл бұрын
That's the whole purpose and point of the matrix.
@truthseek30176 жыл бұрын
Modern culture is awful, LOTS of people are lonely and depressed. It's only going to get worse. It is hard to make new friends in the sickening rat race.
@Knaeben4 жыл бұрын
You sound like me lol... Always thought technology would make things better, not so abysmal.
@jonathankeen88364 жыл бұрын
I always thought I was lonely but it turns out there is an entire community that goes through this because of modern society
@trevbarlow97194 жыл бұрын
What does that have to do with Indians?
@MrKelso854 жыл бұрын
Yeh thats the price of competition , hence despite my success I’ve always wanted to do it taking people with me not at the cost of my fellow humans
@danthadon874 жыл бұрын
@Logic Seeker Well maybe if you met Spock or someone like Spock you’d find a friend.
@glennz66864 жыл бұрын
I used to be a volunteer fireman. That's why I was always so happy when I was volunteering my time to the community. It gave me a sense of purpose and meaning.I never got that from my job when I was getting paid.
@bubbasernie57624 жыл бұрын
Modern life is too complicated, simple as that. This is why people are depressed. Also; we never really enjoy the present because in western society we are always sacrificing it to create a better future.
@TheDionysianFields4 жыл бұрын
Toward the 2nd half of what you wrote, whose fault is that?
@bubbasernie57624 жыл бұрын
cognitive dissident I would consider it societies. To get ahead, or make a good life for yourself, it’s what you need to do.
@TheDionysianFields4 жыл бұрын
@@bubbasernie5762 Has anyone ever "gotten ahead?" I don't think so. It's all a grand illusion. We can choose to do something different but we like the feeling that money gives us. It feels like...power.
@forman2083 жыл бұрын
@Chuck Nourrizzz Easier said than done, especially in covid times
@YourUncleBenny2513 жыл бұрын
Chuck Nourrizzz Make more money, want more money. Rinse and repeat.
@mycommentpwnz3 жыл бұрын
I feel awful for kids growing up in the modern world. There is NO WAY to protect them. It's HARD FOR ADULTS. These kids, the majority anyways, will all grow-up very fast, learn "painful truths" at far too young of an age, and as a result, many will suffer from permanent psychological damage by the time they are 16. Yet, to them, they will think of it as normalcy, which is even scarier. Side-note: I often see this group of 17-18 year old's that hang-out at a gas-station / bong-shop near my house, and when I look in their eyes, there isn't a SHRED of naivete, innocence, wonder, or awe that remains within them... They have the souls of a middle-aged con-man. Quite sad.
@copspybot82933 жыл бұрын
This is why I refuse marriage and kids. I do not want kids to this world. You can not play and be you, you need to perform and start working for the big. No wonder people are depressed when the only thing you do, is work work work, to have your 4 week vacation a year. Depression is here also because of this. People are just too tired to live like robots 24/7.
@osuka7066 Жыл бұрын
@@copspybot8293 i can attest
@MariamArt_ Жыл бұрын
Never bringing or birthing any biological offspring’s from my bloodline and familial unit. I’m to groggy and calloused to even want to bring another human being into this bullshit cycle we call “life”. Definitely life itself and the world economic forum can be full of shit sometimes. Anyways screw the WEF. They can go scam they’re dedicated capitalists and hug their slave wagers.
@coryburns4309 Жыл бұрын
Well kids have been living in this modern world for over 100 years. This man is talking about hunter/gatherer societies. For which most of us stopped living about 200 years ago. He's not talking about how different life is in the last 10 years vs 30 years ago. He's talking about live in the last 200 years vs life 200 years ago and beyond
@mycommentpwnz Жыл бұрын
@@coryburns4309 I agree with everything you pointed out, except one thing: Childhood, particularly the teenage years, has RADICALLY CHANGED in the last 20 years due to the internet. When I was 18-19 (late 90s) I was still VERY innocent. I had never seen hard core porn, a lot of ugly truths about the world and our society were still hidden from me, etc. In short, because of the internet, I was more of a child at 19 than many 12 year olds are today. But, I do understand what you're saying.
@letsgoBrandon2043 жыл бұрын
Dealing with depression, I'm beginning to understand both people who commit suicide and those nutters that drop everything and go and live in the arse end of nowhere in somewhere like Alaska
@angelopellicci1792 жыл бұрын
I know exactly what you’re talking about
@VasBaev7 жыл бұрын
Junger is spot on with the sense of 'being needed' playing an important role in personal welbeing
@fewhavestrength6 жыл бұрын
Vas Baev yeah just state the obvious and all the sheep will follow!
@VasBaev6 жыл бұрын
fewhavestrength or just reflect on the content of a video and people will agree. Are you insinuating I'm mining for KZbin comment likes? Hahah
@fewhavestrength6 жыл бұрын
no I'm just illustrating your stupidity haa!
@ChandelierLeBlair6 жыл бұрын
people.need.to stop "following their dreams" and make themselves useful then they will feel needed because they won't be unskilled lethargiacs protesting for a higher minimum wage
@lordwest076 жыл бұрын
fewhavestrength what's the purpose of your existence?
@Mazxlol3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes I look at a squirrel or a bird and think they have a better life. Sure they have their own issues but they don’t have to worry about human stuff like mortgage, credit cards, banks, housing, college and probably thousand of other things. They just roam around and search for food, eat, sleep etc. we all die eventually anyway, why does our life have to be so complex.
@itsmylifelife1511 Жыл бұрын
Yeh that's I think sometimes too
@saph100 Жыл бұрын
I feel like one day the world decided to conquer the entirety of the planet and coop us up in a place of capitalism to run their system. Life was not made to be easy but shouldn't have been this difficult either.
@Hevted Жыл бұрын
Me too man. I will just stare into their eyes and get lost in my head with thoughts similar to what you’re saying
@Mazxlol Жыл бұрын
@@Hevted yeah. i think they are way more free than us. humans are too complicated
@fauberkaupfmann982 Жыл бұрын
Because all of us have been bought by the system. We think all these luxuries in modern life are there to free us from the shackles of modern nature, but they aint. They are there to make a zombified slave out of you, me and everybody else. In nature we didnt have shit, but we were FREE. In society we have everything, but we are SLAVES. To our vices. to our clothes. To our conditions. To many empty signifiers to keep us distracted from that very fact. But it isnt going anywhere. And many people are starting to catch on...
@bballmomma59005 жыл бұрын
I’ve heard people say some of their most fun times was before & after a hurricane ( providing it wasn’t life threatening). Neighborhoods would be almost like a block party with people sharing resources & families staying with each other. In fact, it was a let down in a sense when the electricity came back on
@reallifeyoruichi71863 жыл бұрын
have experienced this
@ohnree41103 жыл бұрын
Because it forces the connection to each other which we need but rarely get
@Shlogger2 жыл бұрын
yeah. it's a dramatic glimpse into how things used to be
@bigtime89243 жыл бұрын
“We work jobs we hate to buy shit we don’t need.”
@ruzmarin9942 жыл бұрын
“To impress people we don’t like.”
@mcfuckinanotheraccount8084 жыл бұрын
I don't usually comment on shit but it's crazy how true this is. In college we barely all talk to each other except in days of exams when everyone is desperate and exchanging information. Then when we leave, for the first 5 mins everyone is all smiley and talking, but after that, everyone is back to being zombies.
@Hevted Жыл бұрын
HOLYSHIT. I’m 3 years late but I’m currently in college and what you said has described my entire interaction with the population of my campus. A link of dependence is clearly lost and it’s just the most depressing thing ever interacting. That moment before the exam where everyone is exchanging info really clicked with me. I rarely comment on anything in general too
@MrBeaux6 жыл бұрын
I don't think sorrow is the biggest source of depression, it's boredom.
@briangriffin92776 жыл бұрын
MrBeaux Wrong.
@reflarhaze87266 жыл бұрын
MrBeaux You could be right. A vacant mind is the devil's playground. Depression is located by depressed as being felt in thoughts and in the brain. There is an amazing article by a scientist which claims that depression is like a switch, a switch that your brain turns on, therefore it has a function. He concludes that depression is your mind alerting you that you need to do more. I believe people become so stagnant and also bored in life that there brain has to kick in and tell them, "right that's it, you've had enough chill, I'm going to burst your happiness bubble and force you to choose between a shitty depressed existence or achieve and act on everything you want and everything you know is the right thing to do"
@MrBeaux6 жыл бұрын
I know it from personal experience, lol, but seeing some science to back it up is always good too.
@MrBeaux6 жыл бұрын
Do you happen to remember the name and author of the article? I'd be interested in reading it.
@reflarhaze87266 жыл бұрын
MrBeaux I read it some while ago. I've searched Google for 5 mins and cannot seem to find it. It was talking about some kind of receptor (TCH-134 something like that) and how it is like a switch, it literally comes on/alive and is only on for people that are depressed, he believes depression therefore is a necessary result of your brain switching on. Argh, i can't explain it properly..if I come across it I will definitely link you it. It is the only article that helped me believe there is a good outcome from my depression.
@NemeanLion-4 жыл бұрын
I envy that life. It’s not perfect, but there’s so much complicated bs from the civilized world. People weren’t designed to work in cubicles, indoors, eat processed food and socialize on personal computers.
@jamietodd25605 жыл бұрын
We have plenty of personal struggles, but we don't have group struggles anymore. When we were on the edge of survival we all had to do our part for the tribe and we felt kinship with others because we knew that we all relied on each other to survive. Our brains evolved that way, to measure our own well-being in relation to the well-being of the group. Now everyone is out for themselves without any need to coordinate with anyone else. It's so much easier to survive, and that's definitely good, but we don't find meaning in it. In a sense, each of us is a lone survivor.
@patriotstreammedia36354 жыл бұрын
That's why nationalism and populism is so prominent today
@shoazdon70004 жыл бұрын
Then covid came
@lukewilliams7061 Жыл бұрын
COVID must be gods sign that we are doing something wrong
@AxeKick802 жыл бұрын
I feel like society is the exact opposite of a tribe or family. In a tribe/family you can joke and argue and get angry and everything, but deep down you know you’ll always have each other’s backs. You would die for them (maybe). In society though, you’re very superficially polite and cordial with one another, but you don’t actually give a damn about the other people that you don’t know. When you do work for your family or tribe, you can see and care about the benefits that it brings about. When you’re working as a wage slave for society, it’s typically doing stuff for others in abstract ways that you can’t really see or care about. Tribal mentality and life just does not scale well, and society is an attempt to to scale it. It becomes diluted and meaningless. And we’re all isolated and trying to cling to bits and pieces of meaningful social bonds.
@medviation6 жыл бұрын
Bad times create strong people, Strong people create good times, Good times create weak people, Weak people create bad times.
@edt84895 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@mattmarkus48684 жыл бұрын
Exactly and this cycle is independent of whether we are in agri-times or modern capitalistic times. So much foolishness in the comments on this video.
@mattmarkus48684 жыл бұрын
SnippER that’s all this is, the economy is an expression and measurement of this cycle, of our behavior, our values, etc. it’s like a metaphor. The “money is evil” crowd really has quite a lack of imagination
@Eddy-dn1jx4 жыл бұрын
@@mattmarkus4868 Someone acting like they know everything and everyone else is an idiot? Such foolishness in the comments
@Knaeben4 жыл бұрын
And shitty times... well, they are just shitty.
@liamc70974 жыл бұрын
Short version: people feel their best as part of a social group.
@TheDionysianFields4 жыл бұрын
Maybe that means they're weak?
@Melly16yr103 жыл бұрын
Makes sense we are social beings after all
@NastheVictorious3 жыл бұрын
@@TheDionysianFields Just because You find meaning in a Tribe, Doesn't mean Your weak. Humans have needs and humans must get what they need.
@TheDionysianFields3 жыл бұрын
@@NastheVictorious I agree. But this guy does seem a little bit soft.
@charlespanache70472 жыл бұрын
@@TheDionysianFields explain to me ehy he seems that way,? To me it seems like 2 guys talking. Confused how you reached that conclusion
@nickpupino20284 жыл бұрын
why do I need to go to college if I have the joe rogan podcast?
@Knaeben4 жыл бұрын
You don't need to go to college anyway. You don't learn anything you can't learn from the Discovery Channel for free.
@coffeearabica14594 жыл бұрын
Dumb ass
@gator65964 жыл бұрын
To have fun and tell great stories! Nothing you learn in college will be used in the real world!
@nickpupino20284 жыл бұрын
Gator6 shut the hell up bro
@ArmandoKozomara4 жыл бұрын
To get the degree to get a good job. It's an access ticket. Most shit I've learned comes from Rogan and other KZbin videos 😂
@raynier00177 жыл бұрын
I can relate to what he is saying about adversity because me and my family have been at a long term financial struggle since 2013 with our family business and we are more united as a family since we take better care of each other. There is also a sincere solidarity with our staff and business partners. Thanks Joe & Sebastian for those uplifting stories!
@booshank23272 жыл бұрын
That's just called clinging to each other out of insecurity.
@bigwill585xx893 жыл бұрын
As someone who’s been through a category 5 hurricane the feeling of unity and equality after when everybody in the community comes together is a feeling like no other
@jckanza8121 Жыл бұрын
I heard this awhile ago, "I'd never wish for another 9/11, but I'd give anything for a 9/12." Made me smile and want to cry at the same time.
@oui26119 ай бұрын
i went through a category 5 too and it felt like life before the iphone for 3 months. i was the only person complaining as soon as electricity came back when everyone else cheered
@fulol4 ай бұрын
and after the entire event is over everyone goes right back to their old selves selfish ignorant and arrogant consumers slaving away to line the pockets of the elite upper ruling class so they can live life on our backs on easy mode
@caffeinatedinsanity23244 жыл бұрын
I also attribute modern society depression to the fact that we work so many hours per week with so few vacations possible. And this leaves us such few time to spend with families and friends, or even personnal projects. And same goes for people going to school: you're forced to spend SO MUCH time absorbing HUGE AMOUNTS of information, probably more than a kid can ever assimilate. And the youth really need some time off. Society is the farmer, we are the crops, and we are dedicated to be harvested all time long and to individually offer something great.
@Prometheus72724 жыл бұрын
That is massively untrue. Work load in hours has gone down, yet depression has gone up. A person 150 years ago would work 16 hours a day and yet they were significantly less depressed then we are. It’s seems you do not understand where happiness comes from.
@forman2084 жыл бұрын
@@Prometheus7272 Proof that people working 16 hour days were less depressed?
@Prometheus72724 жыл бұрын
@@forman208 We do not have data on people from the 1890's about depression. The furthest i can go back is the 1950's, the amount of time worked average has gone down from 1950 to today from 48 hours worked to 37 hours worked (that's a 20% decrease) and depression has gone up significantly. If depression was tied to working longer hours that number would have went down with the less amount of hours worked, this is not the case, so clearly hours worked isn't the source of happiness. Sources: Depression: www.happierhuman.com/is-depression-really-on-the-rise/ Hours worked: www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2094769/Workers-1950s-worked-longer-hours-tougher-conditions-holiday--happier-now.html
@baconator9533 жыл бұрын
@@Prometheus7272 But depression can occur for many different reasons, and our work habits and our work environment could be just a few of many variables. You must be aware that working conditions in some European countries are very different to those in other regions. Just take a look at work-related suicide in Japan. Also, perhaps working hours have dropped im the UK, but what about workload? Check this study out: www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.kent.ac.uk/safety/oh/Documents/HSE%2520MH%2520Stats%25202017.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiW1fvPu4bwAhVSKKwKHRzWACgQFjANegQIHhAC&usg=AOvVaw3V9eHol-9E-ZHzVMfDK8wj&cshid=1618703458961 And let's not forget the nature of jobs and industries have changed over time too. While in the 1950s a lo of jobs were still manual, businesses weren't as large as today, and commuting times were manageable. In today's world, things are quite the opposite .
@damiansconberg47152 жыл бұрын
@@Prometheus7272 but that work was for themselves
@landonic814 жыл бұрын
Joe talking about how different people acted after 9-11 is so true. The energy shifted and people were so nice to each other for a while. I'll never forget that energy and experience coming out of a horrible event
@jadek58222 жыл бұрын
From Tribe: “Human beings need 3 basic things in order to be content: ~They need to feel competent in what they do ~To feel authentic ~They need to feel connected to others
@poe60182 жыл бұрын
I just meet the first basic need, the other 2 feels impossible to get, everyday I want to be dead.
@Agalarov974 жыл бұрын
Dear Joe, this is easily one of the best pieces of content you've produced in an interview with someone. The more credible people you bring on the show, the better
@whoareyou2214 жыл бұрын
Well shit... now I feel like I have to listen to the entire episode. This dude is making some great points.
@danglenzig4 жыл бұрын
I Just live like i did when i was 17. Im 44. No wife, no children. Have a work that use 15% of my day. I drink beer, skateboarding and listen to the same thrash and hardcore bands i did in 88. So the modern society dont depress me. Im not in it. I have zero social media accounts beside KZbin. Quit Facebook 3 years ago. Best thing i did in life. It took me 2 Months to get rid of the addiction of telling people what i did. And thinking that thumps up was of any importance of what i do and feel in life. Its almost like a drug. Fucks you up. Sharing your life with every shitheads your met. You like maybe 10% of them
@marcuscarollo20804 жыл бұрын
Hey Dan. Likewise I really dig those types pf bands (thrash metal/prog got me into music to the point where i can do sessuon work now, and recently have bern gettimg into hardcore too). I'm curious, what kind of job allows that kind of schedule flexibility? I ask because i am adverse towards most 9-5 situations.
@CC-mj3zq4 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of when I moved to the San Jose area, so many people running around in isolation, neighbors don't even interact.
@Pugseh4 жыл бұрын
I fucking hate living here.
@cuauhtemocmorisco34933 жыл бұрын
Makes you wonder what they do in those big ol' houses😂😂😂
@imawarrior3133 жыл бұрын
Take me back to the 90's please 💔🙏🏼😩
@TheArmyofHades Жыл бұрын
One of the best eras we went through in my country was during covid. This did not apply everywhere but because we had a lockdown, restaurants, coffee shops, bars etc. were out of order so people had to gather to parks and local forests and the sense of unity was unlike no other. You made new friends, went hiking together, enjoyed every second. Hell i miss this time.
@darbyheavey406 Жыл бұрын
Which community are you in?
@msteefins73797 жыл бұрын
mainstream media makes people depressed
@Kazekoge1017 жыл бұрын
You should check out the No Agenda podcast, that's the central conceit of the podcast and it intends to be a antidote to that feeling from the MSM
@rupertpumpkin53886 жыл бұрын
ITM!
@Kazekoge1016 жыл бұрын
Brian Bearse ITM fellow slave! nice sub's BTW, interesting stuff to research before the financial crash JCD keeps predicting
@plokijuh58306 жыл бұрын
Especially right-wing media
@PharaohTeg6 жыл бұрын
M Steefins especially LEFT WING MEDIA and their damn bias!!!
@kjgear7 жыл бұрын
Calm down, dorks! Neither of them are saying we should get rid of our houses and set up tipis. But that we might want to take the good aspects of "tribe" culture and combine them the good from modern culture.
@DOMDZ909116 жыл бұрын
So tipis with wifi and air condition and free vaccines for everyone?
@HoggieLemons6 жыл бұрын
Is it really spelled "tipis"?
@HoggieLemons6 жыл бұрын
I've been spelling it "teepees" my entire life.
@HoggieLemons6 жыл бұрын
Tipis. Phonetically it looks like it should be tip-iss.
@HoggieLemons6 жыл бұрын
I just looked it up. It's tipis. Damn
@acc.x.cc.x98885 жыл бұрын
Absolutely everything about society is wrong period
@patriotstreammedia36354 жыл бұрын
Everything is a lie, and everything is built around monopolies on profit
@josh182303 жыл бұрын
No society has removed human beings from a lot of dangers, The problem is our brains are hard-wired to live in that environment of the past, that's basically what he is saying. Our minds never got a software update for modernity.
@NastheVictorious3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. That's why I always rebelled.
@keeppunchin23022 жыл бұрын
100%
@Shlogger2 жыл бұрын
@@stratosphere2323 it's the deeper meaning behind the Achilles story
@copspybot82933 жыл бұрын
This is sad world, we work 40 hours, that's too much. I have no energy to perform 40 hours at work. No one can. Then clock to these insane hours traveling work related and making yourself up. It feels like you are living just for someone else, and then you can buy stuff. Which is just stuff. Modern society makes us sick with too much work and we literally need to perform. How many of you working or schooling have time to do what you really like? Most people I know do not have time for their hobbies. They trade their time for money they don't need too much. For what? Everyone waits that one day we have marriage, kids, shiny houses, new cars... I never felt so alone in my life until I was around people. Everything is just the same scam.
@carlosreyes53713 жыл бұрын
It's because Materialism is the be all and the end all of modern society: people are judged by how much they possess, and what they possess...thus, people are divorced and alienated from their true selves...Spirituality, thus, is an antidote to that emptiness of modern life, because it reconnects the individual to oneself...
@rural_girl5552 жыл бұрын
i feel so alone and miserable
@johnblackstone52614 жыл бұрын
Interesting because I've noticed that after or during something bad happening society seems massively friendly. During a few hurricanes the last major one i saw that people were outside walking and talking to each other. Cooking out, going to the gas station to hang out. People were fishing and having barbecues and helping people with damages. For a day or two everybody was like a completely different person. After that it was back to society and it sucked
@johnglenn25394 жыл бұрын
I agree that increased urbanisation is related to mental illness. I do think he massively sugar coats how barbaric many Indian tribes were though.
@Prometheus72724 жыл бұрын
John Glenn People idealise them as a bunch of hippies.
@ankou37304 жыл бұрын
John Glenn haha it’s called the noble savage myth which romanticises societies like the native americans as being in tune with the land, peaceful and wholesome. Native americans were routinely genocidal, burnt forests all the time, and exploited the land just like any other society.
@americanscarelines27574 жыл бұрын
He’s a SJW.
@atomicplumber884 жыл бұрын
Humans haven't gotten any less barbaric.
@Bnlol14 жыл бұрын
I think it's very silly to imagine absolutely any human society that has ever existed as not being totally and depravedly barbaric towards everyone except themselves. Humans evolved on the murder of other tribes
@J.Moyine4 жыл бұрын
One of the strange things about living in this world as a loving, highly sensitive individual is that when you attempt to demonstrate love and generosity and compassion.. It freaks people out. I saw a girl who looked very worried on the underground in London today and it was a natural impulse for me to just ask if she was OK..... And she looked confused by the gesture. My friend then commented that I'm clearly not designed for this world because that level of care and love will only result in a mostly negative response because people are so unaccustomed to it. But my thoughts on this are... If I don't demonstrate it... Who the heck will?? It seems like it's practically impossible to witness another human that takes a moment to consider a strangers comfort and safety above their one. It's just so bizzare to me that we don't do that for one another when it's so natural to me. We are designed for that level of care and compassion. And actively shutting down and numbing out has only resulted in complete devistation of our entire wellbeing. Maybe its because I was raised in the countryside rather than the city. We're just very different down there. Life is slower, we stay close to nature, we value our relationships above gadgets and things..... Its just weird that we've moved so far from our own innate nature that we've completely forgotten how to function as a fully thriving human being. And everywhere you go, there's a programme of how you SHOULD be is infiltrating your subconscious that certainly only confuses and messes people up even more. We need to develop stronger values. We need to stay close to this beautiful earth that supports us and gives in abundance. And we need more community. It only takes very simple things to make a shift in society. Things that we can all give freely. Empathy, sensitivity, love, compassion, generosity, support. It doesn't cost anything. And that's truly all we need to demonstrate individually towards one another to begin making this shift.
@Shlogger2 жыл бұрын
I try to be nice to people in public on a regular basis. Even just trying to be generally friendly is often met with suspicion or skepticism. Not always. But often. Everybody has their guard up. And for good reason. There's a lot of desperate and malicious people out there roaming around. But it still makes me sad. But I will keep doing it anyway because what's the fucking point otherwise?
@comdrive3865 Жыл бұрын
2 years late but having been on almost both sides of the spectrum, I can make a comment. For me, If someone said "are you ok?" or any variation of that was sincere, I would second guess it as a ploy that that person was either just pure evil trying to lure me in to abuse me once they've gained my trust (abandonment from parents etc) or that the person was genuine and I didn't want to bother them because if they were a good person, I wouldn't want to shake their reality up and they would only gain a sum total of negative emotional burdens that I can't repay. If that makes sense. Victims who feel like victims often can come to the conclusion that there are only 2 types of people: those that are evil or those that are so good hearted that you're better off leaving them alone and not dragging them into your mess that you cannot fix and would be too much of an ask to ask for help.
@alfredtorres39136 жыл бұрын
I remember a strong sense of unity in Texas , and I'm sure the country too, after 9/11. I also remember a homeless vet coming up to me and saying "we're gonna get those MF'ers". I was taken back that man that old, living in sub human conditions felt a strong sense of purpose. He seemed full of life, not the depressed sad worthless image one may expect from a homeless person.
@westonsmith77725 жыл бұрын
@Johnny Casteel You're wrong
@itsrdr37084 жыл бұрын
Alfred Torres yeah he got those Iraqi kids good on him
@robbbie954 жыл бұрын
although I don't look for danger, I agree that danger really teaches who you can be. I learned from the dangers in life that I am capable to stand up for myself more then I thought.
@joestergios6557 Жыл бұрын
Tribe is one of the most thought-provoking books. His chapter on Werewolf Syndrome is so prescient. Young men without a solid purpose have turned against their tribe for centuries. As a society we really need to get our minds around this phenomenon. Our purpose as humans is NOT comfort. If we lack adversity things always fall apart.
@mjohnson1741 Жыл бұрын
Correct, as a species we are evolved to respond positively to adversity.
@keithherrera103811 ай бұрын
If you took the time to read this guys fictional book I have some bad news... You will never get that time back. This guy gave out false info at least twice in this short clip.
@Theimbennn7 жыл бұрын
This is why I'm gonna live in a VR game set in the cave man period
@Berserkramo4106 жыл бұрын
Theimbennn that's sounds amazing. The closest you can get to that is the video game Far Cry Primal. I played that game baked and it put me back in that time.
@ThePeanutButterCup135 жыл бұрын
Same but I'd still feel guilty for it not being real.
@lesSylvains5 жыл бұрын
The game should of course include an add-on that allows to disable the questioning of reality.
@juliomartinez32884 жыл бұрын
You mean man cave
@STOPPEDINCOLORADO4 жыл бұрын
Sylvain Bouchard Future-proofing.
@DarkSentinel528 ай бұрын
i feel like anomaly because i find most people annoying and i like to be by myself but also i feel huge sense of boredom because there is nothing meaningful to do other than going to school and doing your homework and even those activities are boring/not fun to do so i just end up sitting in front of my computer all day bored questioning existance and thinking what could i do
@jeffmarcuse6450 Жыл бұрын
Modern society devolved back to everything it spent millennia evolving out of. Because of narcissists.
@jonathanclayton91074 ай бұрын
+100 yes that explains a lot in western societies. But why do people not acknowledge Narcissism as the reason for this.
@raffinee_37633 жыл бұрын
We also live in a society that equates careers that offer no fame, social recognition or tons of money as mundane, worthless and classify the people who do them as losers, folks that have settled in life. That's a problem.
@RD-io6sm4 жыл бұрын
I feel like I'm watching the world crumble at times.
@Vriess1236 жыл бұрын
Wow this is ringing pretty true. Specially the part at the end about our ancestors being the ones who faced adversity together.
@andrewmiller48853 жыл бұрын
Society has become more and more and more based on the individual . People today are so insular . Hec you can live next door to folk for years and not know their names , let alone anything about them . Funny thing is they seem to prefer it that way . The word "privacy" is the all important buzz word today . Neighbors plant huge bushes and even trees hard up against fence lines so you cant even see their lawn let alone them , you cant smile and say a good morning anymore , as we all used to do many decades ago. Its frigging sad and yes it is depressing . People just seem to miss trust one another in this modern world now . I'm 72 years old and remember full well how it once was when I was a kid , and even as a teen and young adult . Not sure when the rot started . It just seemed to creep up on us I think as time rolled on . Its absolutely awful. Bigger cities now , huge populations , labor and time saving devices of every description , all the mod cons your heart can desire . Yet we hear all the time that people are so busy , so stressed and so lonely and depressed, in spite too of being able to contact anyone, anywhere , anytime , with communication devices my generation would never have even dreamed of . Go figure .
@sunyata1503 жыл бұрын
I find it so easy to get comfort from all this talk - but hard to actually kill the part of me that wants to act like it's the answer, or to wave it up in the air like I am some semi-enlightened being... and even more difficult to instead turn my insecure and self-doubting heart toward the world and engage, with no expectation that the insecurity or self-doubt will ever go away, or is ever supposed to go away. The fact is, every child should be taught that doubt, negative feelings are a part of life. Our bodies produce them for a reason, but then as our bodies interpret it's own experience, denies one side of itself. It's truly crazy. Running away from our own bodies is what makes us insane.
@mediatechjohn30884 жыл бұрын
"Nothing has meaning save the one you give it". Give love ya'll and let things be. Everything will be alright.
@tuxifelice705 Жыл бұрын
"We evolved to live in groups of 30-40 people in a harsh environment, totally interreliant on one another for survival." This made my eyes teari.
@seancampbell96894 жыл бұрын
My God! This is why some people here in Northern Ireland want the troubles to come back- they have that nostalgic longing for community spirit when their neighborhoods were being under siege or attacked either by oppressive British forces or IRA bombs
@wfr11082 жыл бұрын
everyone wants change. i remember in the states in 2020 a lot of people i knew were unironically excited for the concept of national collapse, civil war, or massive disruption of society. we all want to escape our current lives
@saph100 Жыл бұрын
@@wfr1108 And alongside the givving supplies to Ukrainians, some Americans tried to enlist to help protect Kviv.
@CT-pv9gu4 жыл бұрын
The thing is though, what can you do? It’s incredibly difficult to go against the grain of society
@lukewilliams70613 жыл бұрын
This is why I have suicidal ideation
@CT-pv9gu3 жыл бұрын
Luke Williams grow up
@forman2083 жыл бұрын
Short of living in the woods and hunting to survive, it's basically impossible. You're forced to abide by the system
@toiletdestroyer8753 жыл бұрын
@@CT-pv9gu Why do you believe that suicidal ideation is an indicator of immaturity?
@CT-pv9gu3 жыл бұрын
@@toiletdestroyer875 that comment was a long time ago. Now I completely understand why people may have suicidal ideation. But life is worth living, even the bad times are secretly good times.
@joshuadaly9573 жыл бұрын
When you live with 30 people you’re needed for something. You feel wanted
@ananyasachar45706 жыл бұрын
thank you so much for this podcast..🙏
@3rdRockRider6 жыл бұрын
Been a fan since "The Perfect Storm". The insight in this interview was very thought-provoking.
@johnnyboy187787 жыл бұрын
what an awesome channel we all don't have time to watch the full podcast hats off to the admin of this channel 👍👍
@aaqilian5.0857 жыл бұрын
what else are you doing with your important life? you can download the audio, listen during your commute, or anytime you have spare few minutes. i always laugh at people who say i don't have time. it just means that you don;t know how to manage it well.
@alexhunter36007 жыл бұрын
Aaqilian5.0 that or they're so single minded the thought of listening to something though provoking whilst driving is just unbearable
@aaqilian5.0857 жыл бұрын
Alex Hunter haha! yeah that's a good point.
@johnnyboy187787 жыл бұрын
Aaqilian5.0 fucks it got to do with you what i do with my life are you a cop? 😂😂 wanna know what time a took a shit aswell you creepy little freaks in the comment section are always good for a laugh
@climaxhubbard6 жыл бұрын
Young Jamie if I had to guess. Best in the biz
@Ampwich5 жыл бұрын
The way our capitalist societyis button lt is a big portion of my depression and anxiety. The feeling of no escape from money and needing it, no matter where I go or what I do.....And it gets super loneyly since everyone is just going to work day after day keeping to themselves and it's like a free for all state....I wish we could live in a time where money didn't exist and we all just worked together to do stuff...
@Badboyifier4 жыл бұрын
you can work towards that goal, its called the venus project.. the hard part is to get enough people to listen
@floflomirror97044 жыл бұрын
Big Dog Big Nuts I will be looking into that (thank you). I am 27 but already feel like I won’t be able to last in modern societies.
@Badboyifier4 жыл бұрын
@@floflomirror9704 same
@Prometheus72724 жыл бұрын
Don’t idealise those times, pre-historic times were brutal.
@TheGiantMidget4 жыл бұрын
If you weren't a slave to money you would just be slave to something else like food/resources. Grow up
@Jimmy2times904 жыл бұрын
I had to come back to this clip as I was reminded recently at how in the UK, during the coronavirus outbreak, I am absolutely positively convinced that everyone that I have seen in the little social interactions that I have had has been more pleasant and people are generally more polite and happy.
@thyde95355 жыл бұрын
Tribe is a GREAT book. You just need to look at a post industrialized society, like Japan (with the lowest birth rates, highest suicide rates, and highest levels of depression/anxiety), to see that modern society isn't making us happier.
@oraclebjj4 жыл бұрын
Starbucks. People on devices. Sidewalks. People on mobile phones. Subways. People wearing headphones. My kids. Headphones.
@lordswaggity12134 жыл бұрын
Beat @@nightfighter7452
@PianoBlackTrimRep.4 жыл бұрын
Hotel: trivago
@ieatvirgins4 жыл бұрын
Too many crackheads on the subway to be going in there with no protection
@timmyboy91404 жыл бұрын
@@nightfighter7452 and ur wife, and ur meat
@militaristicsoldier8564 жыл бұрын
Okay boomer
@alexanderockenden25643 жыл бұрын
VERY interesting discussion. Especially the parts about the effect of food production / agriculture on human societies.
@mcinnisthemenace2164 жыл бұрын
People who do jobs that gave a sense of purpose and meaning are the ones who get the most out of life; First responders, Military service, volunteering, or anything that requires a group effort to get a task bigger than themselves accomplished is how humans were meant to be. Great friends can be found in these areas.
@yolodolo91434 жыл бұрын
Love listening to good conversations
@ericdiaz60087 жыл бұрын
this man is very wise...speaking truth nonstop
@freedomworks39764 жыл бұрын
Solitude is a gift - Henry Bukowski. I’m happiest when I’m alone.
@masterchief54374 жыл бұрын
"In the face of hardship and danger that people come to understand their value to society"
@slartibartfast4263 жыл бұрын
Yep relate to this video alot...
@hermanvirgen57125 жыл бұрын
America post 9/11 was amazing. I remember everyone being so nice and us kids got away with skateboarding anywhere we wanted. Also I work construction and I worked so hard from age 17 to now (I am 28) I am pretty much gonna be able to retire in the next few years. Lived frugally and worked a fuck ton. I feel 60 years old. I have not met any other person out of thousands that works like me. Only one I know is an electrician. he literally will be on site at 3am running running conduit and shit.
@bit17333 жыл бұрын
Speaking of diet, the natives were healthy with plenty of nutritious food before the settlers came. What followed after is, well... there are no words to describe.
@mjohnson17412 жыл бұрын
Yep, plus they practiced holistic herbal medicine
@firehorse_44alpha-omega4 жыл бұрын
Priceless dialogue.... I will read his book !
@gurra13516 жыл бұрын
I think I have a new favorite video on youtube.. Amazing words
@747rkl2 жыл бұрын
How messed up and painful is our society that we need a life-threatening crisis to bring us together and make us feel alive again
@rja4niy4 жыл бұрын
We've learned how to cope with bad things. Now it's time to learn how to accept happiness and appreciate it
@Melly16yr103 жыл бұрын
I'll also add learn to love ourselves more and those around us
@paulessess696 жыл бұрын
Hey Joe, One of the most helpful guests on the show, Sebastian Junger. More of this kind Joe.
@alexvignolo77984 жыл бұрын
Discussions like this are what make this podcast great
@intrakitproductions2 жыл бұрын
It may sound odd but I felt happier in jail where I felt accepted and connected with people who appreciated me where I don't feel that in regular society...thats why a lot of people get stuck in that cycle and become institutionalized
@unlimitedperseverance17064 жыл бұрын
Society is horrible... No one is truly free. Most people are stuck feeling trapped living a miserable life. It's a shame that the world is this way. The system benefits the few and leaves the majority oppressed. How many people wake up everyday forced to live in a way they don't want to? If I were to guess, I would say it's a majority of the human population... Everyone is expected to act a certain way, live a certain way, and even if they don't agree with it, they put a mask on and do it anyway. Everyone is just pretending.... No one can truly live the way they want to. It's possible, but most don't achieve that dream. Everything you try to do, there is always an obstacle standing in your way preventing you from doing it. Some among us are lucky enough to overcome them. Others don't. It's like everyone is a zombie. We are not truly free... Animals for example are truly free because they can just live. Not humans. We are constantly pressured. We have expectations we need to live by. Do we really have free will? Isn't everyone just living there lives based off of someone else's idea of what the world should be like? Aren't we living our lives based off of the way people have told us things should be? We have these ideas planted into us from a young age and we never question them. We just say thats the way it is... Do we really have a choice? We are given the illusion that we do, but we don't. If we don't abide by societies expectations than we will be failures right? Make money to live... Live to make money.... All my life I've always felt like something was missing... Like there was something wrong.. perhaps the way we are currently living isn't the way humans are supposed to live... I've felt this way for a while... Once I reached a certain age I realized just how fake everything is... We have no choice, but to conform. Conform and live in a way that doesn't make us happy. This is the cruel reality of life.
@copspybot82933 жыл бұрын
Yeah, sit your ass off at the desk for 8 hour plus in your car for 2 hours traveling to do that. It seems like for most people work is life and the only remaining hobby eating all resources. I work too, but I feel like there is no other hobbies anymore as soon as I started working. Literally no time, then after work go for groceries, wash clothes and anything like that. Then people say, but at least we are free. I mean, free? Waking each day at six to do the same as yesterday? Our yesterday is our future in most cases...
@eyesee12123 жыл бұрын
@chillin like a chinchilla. I hear you. I feel the same that something is missing. Too much negativity, jealousy and greedy users with today's society, everyone wears a mask it's sickening. I do not wear a mask and I'm hated for it, lying or being false has never really done it for me, I was bought up better than that and as my dad said You can always watch a thief but you can never trust a liar. When you do try and help people they just take advantage and think because your kind that your stupid and weak, I'm over it, as my dad always said trust no bastard, not even your own family because they don't want you to get ahead and be better than them, I suppose he had been taken advantage off so many times that he didn't trust anyone in the end. it's sad I know but that is just the way life is now
@3rdeyeshine944 жыл бұрын
This is some golden stuff right here
@stephenlockard6 жыл бұрын
Great segment
@wrcz4 жыл бұрын
‘You are unfortunate in my judgment, for you have never been unfortunate. You have passed through life with no antagonist to face you; no one will know what you were capable of, not even you yourself.’
@handsomesquidward51603 жыл бұрын
Nice username
@wrcz3 жыл бұрын
@@handsomesquidward5160 thx Kony 2012 NEVAR FORGET
@alexmateo98014 жыл бұрын
I don’t want to feel needed. I want fulfillment nothing more nothing less.
@werndogga4 жыл бұрын
Western society can be unfulfilling
@waldek324 жыл бұрын
I have that book as well. Very interesting. I was reading this even though English language is not my first. Greetings from Gdynia
@jonbaker4764 жыл бұрын
I have thought bout this on my own for the past year or two now and it’s nice to see someone come to the exact same conclusions
@darrenneels15354 жыл бұрын
We can help ourselves feel less lonely if we make an effort. I used to blame my loneliness on “modern society” and “social media culture” also until I started seeing a therapist who helped encourage me to reach out more often to those around me. When you reach out to others to talk about heavy topics like loneliness, depression, and isolation, i think you’d be surprised at how many others feel this too and how we can bond over it and help curtail those feelings for each other.
@Shlogger2 жыл бұрын
cool story. who are these "people around you" that you speak of? They sound nice.
@wisdomlife28 Жыл бұрын
We are living in cage 24/7 modern society is cancer for us
@matty30110 ай бұрын
@@Shlogger facts.
@Lehmann1086 жыл бұрын
We have no purpose in Western culture.
@fusion7725 жыл бұрын
Native Americans were superior to us. We should all try to be more like them
@johnnyhshify4 жыл бұрын
@@fusion772 too late, population decimation and replacement already happened.
@fusion7724 жыл бұрын
@@johnnyhshify not sure if I get your point please explain
@Knaeben4 жыл бұрын
With no vision, the people perish...
@Prometheus72724 жыл бұрын
fusion772 You can’t live like a tribal nation in a post-industrial world. Stop dreaming.
@jessebrooks72732 жыл бұрын
Some real talk great clip !!!
@truthseeker37835 жыл бұрын
Great video, so much wisdom
@datman3416 Жыл бұрын
Been saying this for years, humans aren’t supposed to live in the rat race of todays society
@Majnun746 жыл бұрын
Love this discussion.
@flovv4580 Жыл бұрын
"People are enormously self serving. Capitalism basically instruct us to do so." 🎯🎯🎯 Yep, we are products of our environment. What feels so natural to us is actually a learned behavior. And because it's learned, we can also un-learn it.
@LuisTorres-bu3ti3 жыл бұрын
I think we desperately need a new counterculture in today’s shallow world
@varolussalsanclar11632 жыл бұрын
Traditionalism.
@wfr11082 жыл бұрын
@@varolussalsanclar1163 absolutely. people don’t realize that socially speaking the only way forwards is backwards. tradition is tradition because it worked. i don’t understand (and never will) why we abandoned it.
@varolussalsanclar11632 жыл бұрын
@@wfr1108 this right here.
@pianospawn14 жыл бұрын
Any animal I think would find it unsettling to be surrounded by other of its kind that it doesn’t know. Drop a monkey into an unfamiliar group and it will be uncomfortable.
@forman2082 жыл бұрын
Then drop it into an unfamiliar group populated by literally millions, that's how humans live
@bingdong857111 ай бұрын
Reject what you dont like to make change. Stand up for what you really, honestly believe in.
@Skatelifefool2 жыл бұрын
7:45 reminds me of a book I'm reading right now. In the book there is a war going on and one side uses bridge crews. The bridge crews are slaves that have to run bridges up to chasms while the enemy archers fire at them. Eventually they get out of that fate but later on some of then talk nostalgically about the bridge days because they all had to look out for eachother. This parallels my own life although less violently lol. I recently quit my job and it was a very physically tough job. We'd have about 20 people on each team moving thousands of pieces of freight every day. Now that I'm away from it I feel a lack of purpose and comradeship although I dont miss the work.
@blueboogers92526 жыл бұрын
firefighters are real hero's..you know all about crooked cops but firefighters always been solid
@jeremiahkirkman1004 жыл бұрын
that makes sense. you can't be a crooked firefighter.
@hellomynameissL1m4 жыл бұрын
@@jeremiahkirkman100 well you can start wildfires like some did way back in cali
@jeremiahkirkman1004 жыл бұрын
@@hellomynameissL1m wtf. I've never heard of that. why would they do that?