Joe's Take on Yasiin Bey (Mos Def) Shading Drake | "The MC's Don't F**k with Yall"

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[@dayosonictv]

Drake is like Taco Bell. Extremely popular and successful. But no one considers it actual Mexican food.

[@KJN311]

So true

[@DatGreatness]

Fire analogy.

[@roberthill9461]

👌

[@casillasj2002]

hahaha its still good when you're drunk or something haha

[@libertyliam]

This is actually the most accurate way I’ve seen him described

[@TheReelRapNerd]

"His music is compatible with shopping" is such a sophisticated choice of words to minimize him lol

[@macmillysoanti4357]

And it made all the sense in the world too which makes it diabolical 🤣🤣

[@Notorious_Grey]

It's not sophisticated

[@aaaggg4097]

Ironically most def has shopping music

[@TheDreadknoxx]

It’s called Hate

[@bjvu9460]

That doesnt make any sense because when you get to shopping music, that means you have made it. The one thing haters do but isnt smart enough to realize is, they claim that when you are adored by the masses , you for some reason have sold out because they couldnt do that. Mos Def is only known in a small, let me rephrase that, an extremely small, segment of the game because he wasnt talented enough to go beyond the small block he was on. THATS IT! Its like the drug dealer criticizing the mob boss saying he no longer stand out on the block, hustle on the streets and get shot at and be in the game because now, he sits in his mansion and control the entire cartel and call hits from his private plane .. MOS def is the drug dealer on his block, that couldnt expand beyond his block and drake is that drug dealer who started on a block and now runs the entire cartel in the country. The goal in business is to make money and most def didnt go to school so he had no clue about BUSINESS IN MUSIC BUSINESS!

[@autoMATTic_]

“If I was in a target in Houston” is a very specific location 😂

[@TheHomieRobin1]

Hate 😂

[@AngeBiampandou]

LFMAOOOOOOOOO

[@cjsantacruz-gv1cq]

😂😂😂🤣💀

[@johnsondailysports1341]

Right lmaoooo

[@banchiilife]

Sharptowns mall was lit when I live out there

[@iEastsideJones]

“Drake is ‘Shopping with an Edge’” - Mos Def 😂😂😂😂😂

[@jamesmiller6294]

lol he called drake lil boom

[@sonyap8253]

And tbh in a few years, you will lol just like we hear our old folks popular music there now

[@Eziopct]

@@jamesmiller6294that’s an insane entendre

[@gogadget5212]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@eadred9164]

Just a bitter bozo olehead failed career.

[@CriPPleR_HD]

“They Not Like Us” and Mos Def knew it from the jump.

[@derrickdicaprio]

Mos Def isn't lying. I be having a ball shopping for sweaters at H&M while "Hold on, We're Going Home" plays in the background. 🕺🎧

[@oophorror2251]

That’s the only Drake album I listen. Total classic and I hate Drake.

[@jonsnow300]

AND YET, SOMEHOW DRAKE HAD A REAL CHICAGO STREET NIGGA IN THAT VIDEO WITH HIM. LONG LIVE FREDO SANTANA. BUT I GET WHAT YOU SAYING.

[@AngeBiampandou]

​@@oophorror2251Nothing Was The Same was definitely his best work in my book and I hate Drake lol. I completely gave up on him after Scorpion. He lost his touch a looooong time ago

[@WHYOSHO]

I be hearing drake at the clubs, bars, festivals, cookouts, boat parties etc. when you're a diverse artist you get played everywhere

[@aubreyyoung4610]

​@@WHYOSHOyes, that's what makes him a pop artist

[@shanafehr]

This is such an elegant and eloquent diss. So many layers: a "target in HOUSTON", "shopping", "so many products" "everything is here" "I love this mall", "when it collapses".. "the empire" "buying and selling", it's not hate it's a POV, a perspective. Maybe the fact that it was a jab, the way he said it was hilarious, dilutes the content: Drake is pop in a sense that is consumer based for the masses who want something just because, not because of the quality of the goods, not because there is artistry to it. Mos Def ain't lying.

[@This_Is_Skooba]

Only hip hop heads understand.

[@4driver314]

bingo!

[@cajuncombatmartialarts513]

P

[@thenowwhatshow4142]

@@This_Is_SkoobaI think the lames would understand if they stepped out of there feelings

[@This_Is_Skooba]

@@thenowwhatshow4142 💯

[@johnscott_95]

“So many SKUs!!!” 😂😭💀💀

[@calsarchandler6851]

Why was I reading this comment wrong when they actually said it! 😂😂😂

[@raymonds7492]

They have a Cinnabon AND Starbies 😱

[@bororobo3805]

*Beep!!*

[@mrgolstein]

😂I heard Drake at Whole Foods and found myself saying "SO MANY SKUS!"

[@k2kfitchannel944]

😂😂😂

[@antonionii]

joe is the first media person to get it. this isn't about rapping bars over hip hop beats. It’s about soulful art with a valuable message VS a commercial product for the masses with a vapid message which consequently supports the oppressive powers hand in hand.

[@swizzy215]

Joe Budden was an MC

[@macmillysoanti4357]

@@swizzy215 a top 3 most underrated ever

[@KazSinc]

if that's the case then it's a stupid/pointless conversation tbh

[@MOBSquadGaming]

Mr OVO got more platinum plaques than what Joe got mics. Talking about hip hop. Whens the last time any of these people in this podcast dropped any relevant music tell me ill wait 😂

[@tone2812]

@@MOBSquadGamingyou didn’t contribute to the conversation you just regurgitated what everyone else says. Is he or is he not?

[@bl2528]

Even when Yasin freestyles a carefully constructed response to question, it is so layered and clever.

[@ihateflatbunz]

It turned into a jab as it went on clearly.

[@Nunofyabizzzzz]

This isn’t hate its honesty

[@Prymal94]

it became the pandering pod now 100%

[@urvermin2682]

it's an opinion. and haters seeking validation from famous haters to justify their hate 🤣 you the salty one

[@cobanjo]

No it’s not sis

[@SmittyCity15]

It’s an opinion that I don’t agree with. Bro got hits outside of that commercial stuff. To generalize him as an artist that way is crazy.

[@MrBarnaby23]

What you’re saying really doesn’t matter it’s still just an opinion

[@pseudo_ra]

No Mos Def slander will be tolerated. Just one of his classic verses outdoes anything Drake has ever written.

[@michaeltadlock1987]

Problem is we don't know which parts drake did or did not write

[@chrislittle3161]

Mos speaking nothing but truth! This is the year of truth. Thanks Katt!

[@meezybeezy4711]

EXACTLY

[@This_Is_Skooba]

💯

[@drac464]

Thank Pluto in Aquarius

[@kactusJacko]

So in year 2021, 22 23 you weren't truthful and now 2024 you are because KATT says so? 😂

[@thomascross8339]

Aubrey even called himself a "pop star" but the moment an MC with clout mentions it, the most thin-skinned man in HipHop and his stans have an absolute freak out 😂

[@Jonesybabie]

Full on temper tantra. But it's to be expected... Aubrey audience is a bunch of minors & SKU shoppers 😂

[@folkscrazyouthere3076]

Shopping with an edge is crazy 😂😂😂

[@nickbrown4163]

We know exactly what he means though 🤣

[@wheatbread2002]

Shopping at Zara or H&M. Lol

[@est.inthe80s]

They have everything lol

[@raymonds7492]

Shout out to Drew Walls 😂

[@chadhardy35]

"So many sku's" 🤣😂🤣🤣 Man that shit was hilarious

[@k2gees]

They asked him about it. He answered with his honesty. Drake being salty is telling.

[@keymusabe7207]

That’s his “white” side thats doesn’t want accountability

[@MegaEmperorking]

I think it was more of hos fans.

[@cobanjo]

Ngl if for years niggas I looked up to been hating I’m saying something.

[@user-jy7nh4ex3p]

"know yourself"😏😏😏

[@sinsoreshippromotesconform8218]

@@MegaEmperorkingdrake responded by calling him umi says

[@H_i_T_Z]

The "hate" bar is lowered every year, so much so that a critique is is now non-existent.

[@ihateflatbunz]

So after he answered than went deeper into it with the jokes thats not shade and some hate?

[@sonyap8253]

THISSSSS!!! My momma taught me criticism is NOT hate and as a result I'm not some insecure sad sack of shit that needs a circle jerk full of yes men to feel validated. This "that's hating" stuff is pathetic. Weak. Beta. Are you a man or nah?

[@sonyap8253]

​@ihateflatbunz hate is jealousy. Folks can not be a fan and not be hating. Semantics matter. It's not for him. AND THAT'S OK. Hop out the circle jerk.

[@livefromthemotherland]

Facts

[@theendobeautee]

@@ihateflatbunzexactly lol. You can critique without making fun of someone

[@1966zenone]

I just watched Yasiin Bey's concert in Russia. Some music can make you pop your fingers and repeat on beat, but his music moves your mind body soul and spirit.

[@gilfordmccormack8140]

With Drake From '09-'14 I considered him Hip Hop with Pop appeal. From '15 and on he went strictly pop. I don't think it's hate it's just facts.

[@meezybeezy4711]

EXACTLY RIGHT ON POINT MY FRIEND!!

[@shesbaldbutiwould]

lol nah Drake is a hybrid people need to stop stifling artists in one genre its antiquated thinking

[@xavierhorrice522]

Where’s the evidence for this claim brotha?

[@cjsantacruz-gv1cq]

Never was a fan-or will be-but this comment ive heard from every drake fan. 😐 i simply say he stunted his own growth. He never evolved but remains relevant off singles that chart. Hes a one hit wonder but with singles. I never saw him as hip hop or a rapper. I saw more R&B appeal than street rapper, hard core lyricist, battle rapper, even trap rapper. Bleep out his curses, hes a kids bop winner... 🤣🤣💀 (sorry not sorry) meaning hes too dam radio friendly.

[@eadred9164]

Crab in a barrel ass.

[@brotherafrika]

“Rap is not pop. If you call it that then stop.” Tip

[@calsarchandler6851]

Classic 😑

[@viperrecords3288]

Rap has become the most popular music genre

[@cheesyriceo4]

It’s popular now, but still a huge difference between commercialized rap, versus hip hop made for the artform.

[@spiritanimaldanielspaul493]

The algorithm brought back this clip, after “the Boogeyman’s weekend” I’m thankful for Aubrey catching his fade. Being in America money corrupts us all to a certain extent. The Boy who made Comeback Season didn’t tell a lie especially not to Miss Sandy. Me and my ex will never forget his honesty. The reason we hoped every song hit for him, because we heard his authentic voice. You’re welcome into our hearts still. No Diddy. We still trust you

[@WEGOTBUCKSENT365]

It’s not hate…it’s TRUE‼️Mos Def is talking from a person who loves the Authentic Hip Hop. Hip Hop that actually has a message, has bars. That’s the thing🤷🏾‍♂️

[@KB-Unc]

All the drill music and street music has NO message...drake put bars on relationships very early in his career

[@nowonprzn7442]

What was the message of run dmc- my adidas? Is that not. Classic hip hop track quite literally made to sell products.

[@MOBSquadGaming]

Thats hilarious Mos Def wasnt even it when they were out. Tupac was bullying them bums. You NY people think hip hop is just spoken words on hip hop beats. Keep that old washed up trash over there. Drake is hip hop and every other category too. That guys been owning the main stream for decades now

[@Jay-jb2vr]

Because Adidas was hot at the time?? What's your point?

[@Jay-jb2vr]

You too young to comment on this topic. Go back school and get a job.

[@stephanied4863]

It's not hate if someone asks a question and an answer is provided. It's not like he came with that comment out of nowhere. Having an opinion that differs from other people's doesnt make it hate. These days if you dont like something you're automatically a hater SMH.

[@jesussinaloa9300]

Yes and no...he gave his opinion but went extra with the shopping music comparison.

[@ra1288]

Giving an honest answer isnt hate, but how you answer the question is where the hate comes in

[@jermainejohnson223]

Preach that! Make a line of clothing and sell it! If you don't agree you have a problem?? That's ignorant to me.

[@Jennifer-fj4wf]

You're absolutely right. Either operate as sheep or you're the problem.

[@ihateflatbunz]

When he started making it into a joke and being funny thats when it became hate.

[@ZayPierre]

So many products! So many SKU's! ... I love this mall! They Have everything! 😅 Such elegant shade! 😅😅

[@miaroscfala]

I don't understand the elegance of the shade, please explain...

[@charlesc.b2435]

This was a GREAT segment, Joe and Parks broke this down to perfection

[@good3797]

Why do we call any and every unpopular opinion hate? When Joe gave his honest critique of Drake's last album he was labeled a hater also. It is true that without any malice in your heart, you can give an honest opinion that may be unfavorable to others who simply may not see things from your perspective or agree with it altogether. Joe clearly is aware of this because he stops himself from making a point @3:25 because he knows he'd be put back into that "hater" box he so often finds himself in when giving his (very educated) opinion that is found unfavorable to others. Primarily that artist fans. I like the unapologetic Joe that callees it like he sees it and creates a space where TRUE opinions and views are shared. Not watered down ones where everyone expected to be buddies. Everyone isn't going to like what you do or your opinion (when asked) about what they are doing. Let's stop calling them haters.

[@jackpace6845]

Well joe used to be a hard hater...its the boy who cried wolf. You cant hate for years on end and not expect people to think your opinions are toxic. He shits on every white rapper...but he's dressed like a 16 year old white suburban kid who just started smoking weed for the first time and listening to alternative music

[@gopallalwani8182]

When it comes to Drake.. Joe makes it personal sometimes and thats where the issues stem

[@dikiranimamba]

Makes more sense now

[@Flex5445]

I think people forget who Mos Def is. He's always been about the people. So he's not interested in slap happy music that doesn't fortify the masses. Plus he sees the bigger picture of things.

[@This_Is_Skooba]

Most def is about the culture. Drake is about moving units. To be fair to Drake though I don't have a problem with it. You can't deny the talent. And it's okay to go that route. But when going that route you can never be considered a top 5 or 10 emcee. That's what makes Lil Wayne, Jay z, Eminem so impressive. Cus they have the numbers and they are emcees at its core.

[@joungyalen25]

Sounds a little pretentious. Art always gets annoying with the whole purists vs. pop niggas just having fun thing. I think Freddy Mercury said it best, you get tired of making serious songs all the time. Art is about having fun too. Plus, people tend to put Drake in a box when he can do both. He can make fun pop music, but he also has bars and clearly respects and spends time on his craft. I don't get how you can listen to songs like the Middle of the Ocean or If the Shoe Fits and marginalize him as a pop rapper just because the nigga can make a Nice for What as well. It's like mfs pick and choose what side of Drake they want to acknowledge when he's clearly multi-faceted. Respect to Mos Def, but it sounds exhausting trying to take yourself so seriously all the time.

[@SP2Crazy]

Y’all awfully quiet bout Mos Def posting himself in dresses😂

[@This_Is_Skooba]

@SP2Crazy Wasn't there a picture out there of Drake in blackface? 😆

[@SP2Crazy]

@@This_Is_Skooba but mos def is real rap!! 😭😂

[@mr.culturefreedom2073]

The most sophisticated diss ever. Well done sire. Well done. 👏👏👏

[@josesantana27]

Not hater response just a very straight forward opinion period! And he wasn't wrong either. Haterism is minimizing Drake's talent Yasin bey (Mos def) just questioning Drake's music lane.

[@piabernal6983]

mos def aint lying tho

[@stephanied4863]

Not at all

[@dqbunch]

Yes he is

[@piabernal6983]

drake been trying to be everything he aint. just look at his singing and dance hall beats and tiktok dance music ????wth is that???? i know it aint hihop@@dqbunch

[@tunnell72]

He's yapping

[@dctae]

He said you hear Drake music playin in target😂that’s hate

[@mikeyoung4130]

Drake isn’t Hiphop and never has been. Rap music isn’t Hiphop. It’s popular music that people listen to enjoy themselves or to pass time. There is no substance in any of his music. Someone’s opinion that differs from yours doesn’t mean it’s hate. It’s his opinion.

[@forevershampoo]

THANK YOU MOS, FOR KEEPING IT REAL STILL

[@TwoH.Q]

Thank you Joe! People just don’t have these conversations in an intelligent way. Joe’s perspective is the full account (not purest, not commercial leaning, just informed). Everyone else was ducking for cover or not able to speak to this shit in depth.

[@larciaforever]

Facts 💯

[@DelmarBrowne]

I agree with your point! Joe provides his reply giving a broader perspective of what may happen down the road with Drake.

[@LightsOut08]

Even tho i 1000% agree wit Mos take on it... I coincidentally heard Umi says while i was shoppin at Target lol

[@tiffanybarefield1227]

🤣🤣🤣

[@Fade2BlackSS]

Why is criticism always considered hate nowadays? I agree with Mos. Drake is and always has been a pop-star that can rap. That's not a bad thing. He makes microwave music...music that's quickly made and will hit that hunger itch for a little while but will always leave you wanting something with a little more substance. Drake drops music like every couple months and the last few projects are forgotten quickly. He makes music that's easily accessible by EVERYONE. That's the literally definition of a pop artist.

[@EazyRocko]

Yeah forgotten but still breaking streaming records 😂

[@brunojosuequifanda3733]

Nothing was The same is a classic .timeless work

[@Fade2BlackSS]

@@brunojosuequifanda3733 I mentioned the last few projects. I said that specifically. Honestly Nevermind, CLB, FATD and that one with 21 Savage. Wasn't there a Dark Lane Demo in there as well? All of these were released within the last 2-3 years. And don't get me wrong, I grew up listening to Drake heavy. So Far Gone was played heavily when I was in my early 20s. I loved IYRTITL. But even Drake fans gotta admit although he makes catchy music, the quality of the music has dropped drastically.

[@SaintPablo_24]

people like Mos Def are the essence of this Genre if he says Drake ain't Hip-Hop then it is what it is .. Drake is Pop. Hip-Hop ain't no half ass shit

[@awolchief1145]

why shade.....I think Mos has earned the right to comment on current rappers no different than Joe

[@Thor_Midori]

Joe is honest about hate 😂 and transparent when it comes to hate

[@raphaelhilliard1160]

But mos def has never been anyone's favorite rapper 😅

[@MrHsharris]

Drake doesn’t make soulful music. He makes music that’s safe to play in grocery stores & parties/get togethers for the 1%.

[@shaunmahlangu1673]

1% for someone who did 1B streams already is just hating.

[@playwright5037]

@@shaunmahlangu1673 guess what if you live in a first world country and listen to music on a streaming platform you pay for on your smart device you are part of the 1%. Music that is made for clubs and music that just speaks about making money is music for the 1% Bob Marley for instance did not make music for the 1% it was about revolution

[@raphaelhilliard1160]

So does beyonce

[@kingtvt973]

He stopped doing that Because everyone was calling him soft now everyone is calling him fake

[@dawb86]

I once read an article where the writer stated that Fresh Prince was an MC and Will Smith was a rapper. MCs of the modern era don’t want to have to choose but in its own way that’s what To Pimp a Butterfly was all about, choosing to chase the bag or talk about shit that matters, evolve as an artist and progress the culture forward. Drake chose financial gain from day one. How did he do it? Like Mos said, “there’s so many products!”

[@rickywashington2594]

I'm with Mos Def on this!!!!!

[@samuelrobins8430]

Beautifully unpacked, theres a higher purpose involved for certain artists, the responsibility for the words you put out into space it’s not just consumerism

[@TALKONTHANET]

Mos Def was ran out the Industry because he didn’t want to make bubble gum music and his truth in his music scared them. They reported and deported him for his push back.

[@KB-Unc]

Bullcrap...we all listened to mos def...

[@meezybeezy4711]

EXACTLY

[@largegod77]

Deported him ? He’s American wtf u talking about him

[@danteprice1874]

@@largegod77been livin in africa the last decade n he changed his name fy been at ?

[@Jay-jb2vr]

I'm about to do the same thing 💯

[@outsource]

Only in Hip Hop having an opinion is considered hate. When people watch a movie they didn't like they're not called a hater, they just didnt like it. You dont have to like everything just because its popular.

[@This_Is_Skooba]

It's like that with the NBA too.

[@This_Is_Skooba]

@@sxt4447 You're ignorant if you say Taylor Swift can't sing. You may not like her music, but if ur objective then u know she can sing. That is 100% hate if u say that.

[@thesoundmajors9858]

@@sxt4447 a debate is not and has never been classified as hate though so...

[@KC-lg8qf]

It's hate when you have to go and tell people how much you dont like it, and try and tear someone down. Mos could have said...."I dont listen to Drake's music...it's not really my style"and moved on. You can at least acknowledege the dudes grind...instead of just shitting on him. Thats just pure jealousy. Trying to clown his music is being a hater. I don't like lil nas x or his music...but i dont spend time talking about him. I try to just avoid him as much as possible. I wasn't aware that Mos made the rules for what is hip hop and what isnt.....last i checked Mos did Plenty of singing on songs....rapped about women as well. Whats the difference?

[@This_Is_Skooba]

@@KC-lg8qfcus most def is a true emcee. And Drake is just a rapper. He's just making a point. He was clowning a lil bit. Not gonna lie. And it does sound like hate. But I don't think he's jealous. I jus think he wishes he'd care more about the culture instead of moving units. Cus he knows how important he is so he wishes he can use it more for the culture. Most def coulda went the pop route. He didn't care about that tho. And that's his point. But not everyone is like him and that's what mos def don't understand. Or at least that's how it looks to me from the outside looking in. Look at Lil Wayne, or Eminem, or Jay z, Kendrick Lamar. Those guys stay true to the culture and still have the pop-success. And Drake pretty much goes all the way pop. And I think he doesn't like that. That's all he's saying in my humble opinion.

[@jestoril75]

great discussion. hip hop at its core always had a message and it has been sanitised and curated in such a way that some of the artists are consumed with the status of being a rapper more than conveying critical thought. i love how they introduced jay into the discussion because it shows the balance of an artist that had massive success but when you listen to records like meet the parents, you must love me and family feud, those are examples of depth. but as listeners, it’s in your hands to choose what is important to you. it’s not a zero sum but i digress

[@Highznberg]

When I heard "7 am on Bridle Path", I was convinced this dude is nice with it. And this is coming from a 51 year old 90's era type hip-hop head.

[@thedon0516]

Drake has a shit ton of bar heavy songs just like that bro, check then out, I'm sure you'll fuck with them

[@dejahturner16]

"So many skus" is egregious 😂😂

[@kayla3456]

Mos Def good for the culture always ❤🎉❤🎉❤🎉

[@certifiedmusiic]

Who's most def

[@user-nh5vi9bk1w]

yah mama@@certifiedmusiic

[@kayla3456]

Aw she wants attention 😂

[@henriettebopda5895]

He is the culture.

[@AFRICDIAS-ls5ss]

Hip Hop Lyrically, and the mceeing part of it started when Melle wrote THE MESSAGE... That should be enough context.

[@MHSenju3000]

Mos is LEGENDARY for this 💪🏿💯

[@MassAveStriker]

I am pretty sure Flip smells Mel’s seat when no 1 looking.

[@user-rv9hp6bo3y]

Bruh I think you're probably projecting on what YOU would do if you were in the room😅

[@MassAveStriker]

@@user-rv9hp6bo3y i did smell the seat in her Honda Accord.

[@user-rv9hp6bo3y]

@@MassAveStriker Good for you champ

[@seandunne6005]

what happens when it all collapses, dam prophetic Mos.

[@berjo]

This is the most level headed and well thought out take from Joe Budden I’ve ever seen 👏🏾

[@AB-OSS]

A Lyricist and a Rapper are two different things.

[@lolabunny1157]

It’s not hate. He answered a question. Just because yall sugarcoat sht and can’t stand on yall opinion as men that’s yall.

[@jfraz1992]

It was hate, he compared his music to shopping music

[@TopHLuV19]

Was he wrong for describing it as is? The depiction was on point...@@jfraz1992

[@MACUhVelli]

@@jfraz1992he wasn’t wrong

[@KxngSchillo]

Joe is mid

[@WHYOSHO]

@@MACUhVelli he called him pop and said he makes Target shopping music. That's shade in the black community.. no matter if you thinnk he was wasnt or was wrong lol

[@lovelegacy500]

I don't think it's Hate at All....The Truth Hurts really Bad.

[@BaselineStudios214]

“I LOVE THIS MALL! EVERYTHING’S HERE!!!!” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@farrellcityking1]

A phenomenal way of saying "this isn't what it's about"

[@tharuler219]

Shopping with an edge is my SHIT!!! 😫😆😆

[@charliemack5289]

Drake isn’t hip-hop. He’s pop, that can rap.

[@DEEG2535_]

I disagree

[@KB-Unc]

And u a hater lol😂

[@bendedstraw4294]

Thank me Later album , views ande scorpion and notwts and so far gone was pure hip hop

[@hud1231]

but he can't rap

[@hud1231]

do you disagree that Drake isn't hip hop or that Drake can rap?@@DEEG2535_

[@cprince7609]

"TRUTH" only FEELS like hate when you know you should be doing something different.

[@PARKER6662]

And Kenny came in like “wap wap wap wap”

[@Rf201njfam]

Typical JBP and fans getting upset when anything is said about Drake that isn't worship.

[@antwandavis7197]

Joe left out the part where in 2019 DMX went on The Breakfast Club and walked his take back after he met Drake🤦🏽‍♂️

[@viperrecords3288]

Yup

[@comencme1]

Does parks ever disagree with Joe lol

[@jed4827]

Well he is smart.. look at what happened with Rory and Mal

[@williamdaniels4013]

WELL SPOKEN JOE YOUR TAKE ON WHAT MOS DEF (YAASIN BEY) IS THE REASON WHY COAST CONTRA IS SO WELCOMED AND WELL RECEIVED.

[@adampetro2159]

Those dudes give me some hope real hip hop will live on

[@macmillysoanti4357]

When is the last time Drake dropped a classic “RAP” album that you can’t live without repeating 😂. Not hate , facts . Like ish said Drake was a pure lyricist when he came in , and he hasn’t been on that timing in a looooong time. It is what it is 🤷🏾‍♂️. When teenagers try to say your the best rapper ever , the criticism is warranted no matter how much he or his fan base cries

[@kingofgrooveness]

Thank you. Drake when he came in could've been R&B and/or hip hop but the more hip hop he tried to be the more pop he got.

[@westerngroovetv]

I don't think he's ever had a classic due to his rapping ability. Any of his perceived classics and strictly due to the popularity of the music. Personally, I do consider drake to be hip hop. Here's my biggest critique of how he's perceived tho. I'm almost 30. So as a kid, the break consensus greats in no particular order were usually said to be.. Tupac. Biggie. Nas. Jay-Z. Eminem. Lil Wayne. As I got older, let's say the last 15 years or so. Ppl added to that list were drake. Kendrick. Cole. I feel like when you put that whole list of rappers together.. you see some sort of unifying qualities with them EXCEPT for Drake. He gets to be talked about with them on pure popularity. His lyrics aren't highly regarded. His flow isn't highly regarded. His content matter isn't highly regarded. He as a person and who he is and how he influences other young black men to be isn't highly regarded. He's in conversations with those ppl purely off popularity. He's held to a bar that's not the same for the other guys. With that said, again, I do think drake is hip hop. And everyone once in a while drake shows me that he is a dope ass rapper. But even with his BEST rap songs I think he should be ranked right under those guys with other GREAT rappers but not quite the goats. If I could put together a 12 song album of Drake's best raps and no one had heard em yet it would definitely be a classic rap album. But he's not consistent with it bc his main focus is making popular music and not truly impactful music for hip hop core fans.

[@KB-Unc]

When the last time anyone dropped one like that outside the ONE Killer Mike dropped

[@danteroots-hf7tz]

Scary Hour 3 EP because EPs with five or more tracks in The US are considered albums now

[@ihateflatbunz]

Hip hop is the only genre that we declassify you in he was but hes not anymore how does that work.Mos comments comes off as he never was hip hop to begin with and thats the shade.

[@FeltMarvellous]

Great conversation. My take is, hip hop is more than just commercialism. It’s also about standing for something especially socially or politically. But ppl like drake have often milked hip hop for fame and money but never use it to make a statement or stand for anything when the time comes to stand for something

[@FeltMarvellous]

And that’s why he’s more pop because he doesn’t do the hip hop part

[@FeltMarvellous]

And we shouldn’t begrudge drake for avoiding using hip hop to touch on social or political issues. His aim is to make as much money as possible. Conforming to purest part of hip hop could potentially alienate his fans and supporters. Alienating ppl goes against the rules of making money. Kanye did it and we saw why you shouldn’t. Jay-Z has found ways to still remain pure to hip hop without alienating ppl but he’s a gifted lyricist.

[@FeltMarvellous]

Too much is at stake for drake. He has a Jewish mother plus white family members and he also needs the black community to maintain his industry credibility. It’s easy to understand why he avoids the purest forms of hip hop

[@ntokozombokazi4648]

It's funny because this is the oldest trope in hip hop. KRS was at Nelly for the same thing. Nas called Jay Z pop. Common accused NWA and the west coast of whoring hip hop out. So, yea, "if skills sold truth be told, I'd probably be lyrically talib kweli. Truthfully I wanna rhyme like common sense, but I made 5 mil I ain't been rhyming like common since"

[@viperrecords3288]

It’s a tale as old as time. The purists vs the “sell outs”

[@drewtabke3294]

MUSTARD WITH THE BEAT HO

[@diamondadams8942]

This aged well Mos Def

[@BigChrisENT]

Joe almost sprained an ankle sprinting to Jay's defense! 😂

[@Bubjohnson]

Facts😂🤦🏾‍♂️

[@billclinton8300]

He don’t wanna get blackballed again lol

[@UnrulyRebel-hd2pl]

It was funny 😂 hear how they caving when Jay z was brought up for doing the same thing 😂

[@billclinton8300]

@@UnrulyRebel-hd2pl they started bringing up philanthropy work lol like nigga he didn’t say that he said rap not charity work lol they shook up there to talk about anyone powerful

[@marcbrickhouse1233]

Thank you, Joe. You make so much sense ...sometimes. You a real one, but you already know/think that.

[@jasonau427]

Hip Hop (rap) IS Pop now. That’s what get lost in these discussions.

[@ihateflatbunz]

fans will swear its not true,but its the most popular genre of music today.

[@jasonau427]

@@ihateflatbunz Not even fans. Just mfs looking to discredit Drake. They would never say this about LL or Busta.

[@westlymiller]

Nah... Maybe the garbage you listen to is 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@ihateflatbunz]

@@westlymiller It's true though rap is the most popular genre of music in the USA by Billboard. And the 2nd part you said can be true.

[@viperrecords3288]

Yes

[@100conquest]

I like Drake but he's pop he in the bruno mars lane more than anything. Only reason he is considered hip-hop is cuz Wayne put him on that's alllll.

[@BougieHoodBaby]

I loathe that honesty and critique is called hate. Are definitions irrelevant now?

[@alexandertran9464]

I absolutely love Yasiin Bey. Black on Both Sides was one of the very first albums I ever fell in love with. He is Hip-Hop. I consider so many of his songs to be timeless. He is easily one of my all time favorite emcees. With that being said, I also believe that Drake is Hip-Hop too. How could one ever question whether Drake can move the crowd when he’ll easily move stadiums? Look at who blessed him into the game - Lil Wayne ain’t Hip-Hop? Jay-Z ain’t Hip-Hop? Come on man, chill out. Hip-Hop is transcendent and became what it is today because it is inherently inclusive and able to integrate all aspects of the human experience. It’s like a great tree able to branch off into greater levels of variation. And yes, although every leaf of every branch draws its energy from the ROOTS of an ethos and aesthetic exemplified in a KRS-ONE and Mos Def… the branches, by definition, were always meant to take that tree to new places and new heights and therefore deviate into new forms of expression. Let’s not forget that being flashy and romanticizing material success has also always been a part of the roots of Hip-Hop.

[@alexandertran9464]

The branches literally move in the opposite direction of the roots, but both nourish each other and are ultimately two sides of the same coin.

[@thecunninlynguist]

Drake is pop. Him using the meth Clip cause he know he can't say shit about mos. Drake mad he'll never get the respect he craves from the method mans mos defs, buddens of the game

[@PrinceCortezJones]

i would be salty too. Especially if i made better music. Imagine actually believing Mos, method or Joe were better than Drake because they are "purists". Problem is when Drake decides to spit he spits better than all those you mentioned and that's fact. Drake isnt just a better artist than those people, but he RAPS better than all those artists too.

[@thecunninlynguist]

​@@PrinceCortezJones😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 hell no. Drake does not make better nor spit better than any of them. Stop.

[@MrEOM41]

Y’all like to conveniently forget about his classic verses and diss records 😅

[@thecunninlynguist]

​@MrEOM41 who drake? His diss tracks lightweight.

[@Jacobsteel052]

​@@PrinceCortezJones As rappers there are Drake lyrically not on dat level but Drake nice

[@Isiah61]

It’s hate BUT it’s only a diss if Drake takes it as a diss. Breakdown what Mos said “Drakes music sounds like, it’s acceptable enough by most people, to be play in common shared community areas” If Drake took that as a diss it means he doesn’t believe in his own bars.

[@King-oj8hr]

Dislike and hate are completely different things…

[@mauricejones810]

🗣 “So an Opinion is Hate?!…. Ok, got it.”

[@armonbell2535]

A great podcast by the way, but am I Trippin or is the background moving???

[@Baggbi]

The whole team steps on Mel's words all episodes she does it once and every Joe stops her immediately.

[@dougedoug2105]

Well Joe is their superior and also Mel is a female employee working in a male dominated, male curated, majority male-safe space. She understands that there may not necessarily be a hierarchy that exists between she and her colleagues, it’s better to behave in ladylike fashion because as the only female in the room, she represents the minority.

[@HighwayMerc]

Mels input is the least needed on most subjects so..... Dont cut me off when im about cook!!

[@user-xw4vg1vy5e]

Well Joe is the boss so...

[@illgoat]

@@user-xw4vg1vy5e yeah he's the boss but it shouldn't be so obvious on camera. It just shows he has a massive ego which he needs to manage. They should all be free to express their opinions.

[@rezsurfer2808]

This is the JOE BUDDEN Podcast... not the buddies podcast. She a employee for some things. @@illgoat

[@secretstash8172]

And 3months later Kung fu Kenny kicking down them coulombs 😂

[@Cameo131]

I was waiting on this 1

[@Matt-wo8ir]

This is a great conversation

[@StiloSZN]

Anytime people have hot takes like these I ask the same question.. “can you give me ANOTHER example of this?” Nobody else has had the hip hop success Drake has had and was considered just POP. Being from ATL, I saw OutKast rap their ass off on records and still dropped “ Hey Ya”! They are still HIPHOP though. Stop the cap 🧢

[@dabloexperience]

OutKast doesn't hide who they are, they've always been OutKast

[@olliesmith4997]

Mfs pick and choose what is what is not hip hop, no other genre of music do that but hip hop

[@Michael-so4nu]

Here's the problem, (and I get, style and what someone has to say, and how important it is or isn't, I get all of that!) but at the end of the day, when someone goes out of their way to talk bad about someone who has done nothing to them personally, then they are just hating, and are envious, when people say stuff about Drake, it's because they are mad and upset about the Major success that he has had financially from his music, and they are jealous, if someone's music isn't your cup of tea, then it isn't your cup of tea, don't listen to it! but when they go out of their way to try to bring someone down publicly, it's because they are jealous of that person, and they are trying to stop their shine, and they hope by voicing this out loud to the masses, that they can get others to get on that bandwagon too and bring an end to that person's career!, I say, shut your mouth, about other people, and run your own d@mn race, and let the chips fall where they may!

[@Cloudedmindzfilms]

Great topic😊

[@BDAILEY702]

Rap is something you do. Hip Hop is a lifestyle. KRS ONE

[@kingcosmo5731]

Drake makes “Sidewalk” music.. yeah off the porch but not quite in the streets 😂😂😂

[@toxiccylon]

This is FUCKINGGGGGGGGGGGGG ABSOLUTELY PROSPEROUS IN THE BEST WAYYYYYYYYY😂😂😂

[@henriettebopda5895]

Damn that's bars!!

[@thereaganeratv8332]

Bey told no lies 🙏🏾

[@tashawashington4222]

JOE ANALYSIS OF MOS DEF STATEMENT SHOWING UNDERSTANDING OF THE FOUNDATION OF HIP HOP AND WHATS MISSING TO KEEP IT TRUE TO FORM

[@gregcampbell7972]

Hate is the new catch word.

[@clintongray5065]

Drake is a pop star period and if your a true hiphop fan then you’ll understand seriously Mosdef is the embodiment of hiphop but this generation has downplayed the meaning of hiphop Drake reminds me of the new age MC Hammer just better lyrics 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@EazyRocko]

Drake has hella rap songs

[@clintongray5065]

@@EazyRocko so but like I said he’s not hiphop he’s a pop star

[@henriettebopda5895]

Toosie slide was the new can't touch this

[@KelpyGesus]

Drake out raps your favorite rapper little bro

[@clintongray5065]

@@KelpyGesus you need to stay off whatever you on if you think that lil bro

[@strongbone9471]

Drake is like doja cat. They're popstars who can rap.

[@jfraz1992]

Drake and Doja cat are no where near the same, Drake is a rapper that can do pop records

[@dreny07]

💯💯

[@HeartOTC]

@@jfraz1992that’s exactly who doja is

[@TheEarthisghetto]

No they're not one WRITES all of their songs and raps in different styles the other is an entertainer

[@user-hb4xr7ky1z]

Neither write all of their songs lol 😂you can’t be this fanned out lol 😂

[@EVERYTHINGIWANTEDYOUWOULDSAY]

difference between conscious rap and fun rap.

[@leterrip]

That's critism, not hate

[@Waters..]

Can we just judge who’s hip hop based off who’s done a hip hop cypher? Just so this conversation can be a little less debatable 😂 Listen, the man managed to make it this far without even participating in a hip hop cypher. Thats STANDARD hip hop. And maybe Drake has done one but my memory cannot collect the image of Drake in a room with other well known rap guys and just taking turns spitting. I would’ve remembered that. Hell I can even recall JOE doing MULTIPLE cyphers. I remember Kendrick, YG, Eminem, busta e-40, even NICKI HAS DONE IT! It has been said that Drake likes to control the narrative and usually don’t participate in things unless he has mad control over the final product so it makes sense why he was able to avoid it this long. I say all this to say, any OG that says Drake isn’t hip hop, is valid, because the OG’s wasn’t afforded the luxury of skipping out on certain activities that exercises your MC abilities. We love Drake but let’s be real, he controlled the narrative pretty much his whole career, and is how it’s gotten him this far today, as an ARTIST tho. Not as a hip hop artist.

[@ihateflatbunz]

The man has done rap battles i cant even tell you one battle mos had. He called out rappers and Lupe answered and he backed down.