Joe Budden On Kevin Liles Resigning As CEO Of 300 Entertainment | "The Major Label System Is OVER"

[@CodenameRawTV]

I thought that was Russell "🧘🏾" Simmons in the thumbnail 🤣

[@camillejarrett5008]

Me too. They look very similar.

[@1sagacious1]

That thumbnail was strategic, intentionally cloaking your cataracts with Kevin's lightskindedness ...yes, to prep you for EMBRACING the podcasts' foundational tenet which you were about to watch them disseminate; Protect lightskin Blacks, at all costs!!

[@Eli-ss9gj]

@@1sagacious1man what the hell are you talking about 😂😂😂

[@louielou8176]

They both look like Jiminy cricket

[@sauditate4562]

ok , me three...you not the only one , that must be his doppelganger...🤭🤣🤣😬

[@Kaysmoove23]

I’m surprised Joe didn’t bring up Radio died. Music used to be created for a radio hit.

[@adenphilipwhite]

Yup when u got ebro Rosenberg and Charlamenge up there who are not hip hop or from New York flex been screaming for 35 years they all need to retire or get fired off radio and get new breed up there the club scene has also died out to they all go hand in hand

[@purrfitazitgetz3365]

Brah radio ain’t dead 😂😂😂 where yall get dat from ?? Yall must be in NY 😂 cause I’m in da south and our culture is different cause everyone don’t get Dey music off KZbin 😂😂😂😂

[@Kaysmoove23]

@@purrfitazitgetz3365 I’m from the west, and I’m telling you radio is dead. People connect to Bluetooth and play there music.

[@purrfitazitgetz3365]

Radio is for the hits and music people can sing along to in dey rides🤦🏾‍♂️ dats the problem I have with these “ real hip hop heads” is da gatekeeping to what hip hop should be and wen most people don’t wanna hear a message or be preached to or having to decipher what’s being spoken people just want vibe and feel good

[@darkskinwhite]

how old are you ​@purrfitazitgetz3365 radio is still there, people working/in work vehicles, older folks, like it exists but it ain't going nowhere forward either. more commercials than music, bad personalities because they can't afford to pay enough, yada yada. and the music radio plays is paid for, & they don't break artists so what's the purpose of radio? for all intestd & purpose (relative to Hiphop) radio is useless

[@Dylan25rbo]

8:02 Completely true. Back in the day, we were excited for albums to drop, would know each Friday who was dropping what, when, then had to run out to to store to buy the CD or keep checking iTunes to buy it. Now it is a handle full of artist that drop that generate the same buzz that are keeping everything going, Beyoncé, Taylor Swift, Drake, Kendrick Lamar, J. Cole. But the same things were being said when streaming was taking off, the only artist that could really survive on that model were Beyoncé, Taylor Swift, and Adele. The music business just isn’t the same and wasn’t built to last

[@WatchingyouWatchingme-p5s]

It WAS built to last UNTIL THE WHITES dabbled in it! White people KNOW that the general masses gravitate towards music BLACKS make over anyone else

[@hhhy9160]

Labels don't want to deal with real personalities. They preferred non controversial people who they can wrap money around their sound and will take any 360 so their side deals an image won't suffer if they get canceled. Also they drop music too god dam much every yr is annoying af.

[@darkskinwhite]

right, but nusic itself can't die, so if all the people who ruined the business in the first place now abandon it since it's on fire, hopefully that will leave room for the people who actually care, the people who will he here money or no money, to build their own music industry. scary times when the ground shakes, but hopefully we come out better on the other side instead of not come out the other side at all

[@SulminatiBoss]

Funny thing is Dame Dash said that was going to happen for Kevin Lyles exactly how it happened

[@peterpowell5189]

Ish playing double Dutch trying to get his take in lol

[@jaykristian745]

😂😂😂

[@charlesriggins8988]

😂😅😅 i thought it was just me 😂😂

[@j314-q7i]

😂😂 facts.

[@joe_smalls]

Facts! 😂

[@PatriotMastiffsKennels]

😂😂😂😂

[@henryhudson4965]

The Internet is the label for this generation 💯 2:46

[@ernestrenfroe8356]

🎯

[@Aaa-pz6nh]

Yeah and it's way too over saturated with mid ass music

[@Sohyx]

That’s a fact @henry

[@joshf9364]

@@Aaa-pz6nhThat’s a good thing. People have to make effort to dig for the good shit. They’ll appreciate it more when they find it.

[@kokolatte825]

​@Aaa-pz6nh But, at least radio payola is over. The internet is wide open, and the consumer can choose for themselves

[@SirButtah]

Like 12 notable artists dropped yesterday. Their fanbases Im sure love it, but outside the fan bubble none of it feels consequential. Absolutely no buzz.

[@JFFF6293]

lol ice lovesssssss new music so he's gonna try to encourage it

[@jonn8508]

Music as a career isn't easy. Take after scenes like the metal underground that have existed and succeeded for decades despite ZERO mainstream coverage. Just don't expect to make many millionaire artists anymore; the next level of music stars are going to be making the salary of a mid level manager at a tech company, but maybe they'll have more integrity because of it.

[@abanks202]

I was thinking the same thing. If mid tier artist used to make 2-3M a yr, its now 500-750K now. Folks used to make a few million off one song. Now you're lucky if it streams a few hundred thousand times.

[@papaslim5805]

Dam,Is this what Kendrick meant by watch the party die?

[@tchew2545]

Somebody clocked it FINALLY

[@marcuskirkland8431]

Dawg been prophetic af

[@raelewis7]

Bingo

[@JesusChristSaves.]

​@@tchew2545 lol what? Most real Kendrick fans understood this is what he meant from Day 1

[@oophorror2251]

@@marcuskirkland8431he’s got Jay-Z telling him stuff. Y’all like he’s Jesus.

[@wawztzta8296]

mainstream music has been cooked for a minute. i hope this industry shakeup actually shakes things up

[@samanthav3141]

In modern astrology, Neptune rules music & film. Right now, it's at very end of Pisces (the very end of the zodiac). Both music & film are going through a death and will be reborn. It's just time for the "old way" we've been doing things to die. It's old, degraded, and corrupt. Let's build something new that's better for artists and listeners (w/o the labels).

[@CointelProKilledBlackLeaders]

Shout out the MYOM FAMILY they are gonna be the new foundation for music

[@jzurita6186]

O voy. You believe all that shit 😂😂

[@ronalddudley6951]

labels are cools. Streaming services are who we needs get rid of

[@BrentWoods-nr3ui]

There's music that has nothing to do with labels,,, people say that but listen to what there feed

[@annechrystelleetemengono1858]

"Watch the party die" Kendrick Lamar

[@TXLennyS]

Content is killing music...we tune in to an interview more than a song by the same damn artists...the hours spent listening to this pod alone takes away from music and this is just one...content is king

[@adamriet-muller7358]

Not true,Quality of music is whack. The so called older artists have all released music and it's doing very well. People want quality music not quantity.

[@pastqr]

I don't agree with this take at all.

[@TXLennyS]

I literally only listen to music when in someone else's car...content in mine...I sit at a desk for eight hours a day m-f and stream content all day long so there's no time for music...I'm just one person so think about the millions of people out there addicted to content like me

[@dawb86]

@@TXLennyS It should be all be mixed in together for an experience unlike any we've ever had before. I got more into content BECAUSE the music (mainstream wise, more so) was getting so weak and repetitive. I'll admit, nowadays I sign on to KZbin to watch reaction videos, interviews, podcast discussions or other random subjects of interest. However, if utilized well these platforms can be used in such a way to make the experience of music and film so much greater.

[@ernestrenfroe8356]

Maybe a part of it....not entirely

[@360Beezy]

Music been trash anyway. Nobody making shit worth replaying.

[@travwash0851]

Amen to that brother

[@Fent-]

You’re just old

[@arthurswanson3285]

Except Taylor Swift. Taylor brings it.

[@tdotwitz]

“Creeping Cholitas” by T. Witz, you’re welcome.

[@denniswiggins7739]

It's crazy nowadays.. I'm on my 1996 until 2016 era. Material that's out these days is straight dumpster juice.

[@teegreenburg]

I can’t listen to everybody talk over Ish. And why is Flip so quiet?

[@edwinturcios85]

Hiphop/Rap is the only genre that this is happening to. It’s slowly dying, and other genre like Country and Pop are showing profits

[@boomixcrown]

By using hip hop's style

[@celestialnubian]

@edwinturcios85 You know nothing. The top country artists make most of their money from touring and brand deals just like Hip Hop and just like everyone else.

[@michaelminor7408]

They been saying hip hop is dying since it's inception, it was supposed to be a fad that wouldn't last 10 years.

[@montprice6722]

Pop died a decade ago! Hiphop is pop music now! Country music is still here yes! Disco died and rock and roll died and R&B is on a respirator

[@montprice6722]

​@@michaelminor7408exactly! Yet hiphop is still here! Its the new pop music now

[@SnagKing25]

That system has been over since SOULJA BOY showed everyone we didn't need them fr fr.... But whatever

[@rayy4pres194]

Clock it!

[@kokolatte825]

Before that. Labels been dying since they took down Napster.

[@larryhudson6136]

Historically in the music industry, the artist never made big money from the "record" or whatever medium the music was record to. The music artist got their money from performing, doing public appearances, and selling their personal merchandise. The record label was in the business of earning profits from record sales (that's also why record labels always wanted control over the artists' song writing and publishing royalties; that allowed the record labels, to nickel and dime music artists for their earnings). Music artist in the past were too heavily reliant on big record deals, for their earnings, when they should have treated the record deal as, an advertisement for their talent, instead of a cash flow source.

[@RS-tm1om]

Russell bounced and you think Liles is innocent ?!?? You dudes scary asf

[@H1GHD3FF]

???

[@JM-qn3tf]

I’m just trying to figure out are they playing dumb or are they actually just dumb… These people would make the worst detectives. How much more evidence do you need? How many more rumors do we need? For decades we’ve been hearing about all of this. Why is every Record executive Sexuality fluid? Kevin Lyles, Russell Simmons, Lucian Grange, Clive Davis, Lyor Cohen, Steve Stout, Puff Daddy, LA Reed… It’s not a coincidence. It’s been in our face the entire time. Yet these dudes don’t want to speak on it. Shug Knight has a podcast. He just came out and said something. Nobody wants to talk about it.

[@rayy4pres194]

They’re playing dumb. The way they covered the Combs arrest was awkward for lack of a better word. They didn’t have much to say and tried to say we already said it all when Cassie’s lawsuit dropped and his home was raided. Yet anytime Drake v Kendrick is mentioned for the umpteenth time they still have plenty to say. This diddy topic got them looking funny

[@555crooked]

@@JM-qn3tfok…then what about the 75 people who were released and fired from Atlantic was apart of the Cabala

[@lovelife9011]

Playing 😂 joe knows better than all of them ​@@JM-qn3tf

[@ALFA_813]

This is Joe just not trying to burn bridges but best believe if anything comes out about Kevin joe gonna change his stance 😂

[@sashare1586]

🎯

[@Marzae]

People should be allowed to change their stance once more information is revealed

[@anonymousbiscuit5799]

Facts

[@jotalucas76]

Ish: do you- Joe: 🗣📢

[@henryhudson4965]

Music is 🆓 in this generation and if artists can't tour and fill the arenas they will make no money 🚮 5:08

[@Stayace]

I feel like this a good thing. Kinda. It's good cause it will force artist to put on good/great performances but music engineer/production make lose some quality due to budget

[@kokolatte825]

​@Stayace Exactly. It's a good thing in the long run than being told what to like based on who the label chooses to push

[@Gen-td3xt]

These podcasts make people don't even want to listen to people music cause they push the narrative on who music good or bad

[@JM-qn3tf]

That’s a lame excuse. Your generation brains are fried. Just the goofiest takes ever.

[@mauiworld8022]

greed has killed music and we know who owns it

[@philmerritt7241]

I don't believe in coincidences this big. Period. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

[@vii9284]

gatekeeping >>>>>

[@ShyBoyEnt]

Sir Lucian Left Foot. 👑🦶🤔. We Been told y’all…y’all Neva listen. 👂🏿

[@shaunwordplay3111]

In every other industry no 1 company can own 50% of the industry. It's ruins competitiveness. Universal is that company.

[@ShyBoyEnt]

Absolutely. 💯 Can We Say “Antitrust Buster!!”

[@queenv777]

They all been BLOCKING REAL TALENTED ARTIST ALL THESE YEARS!! IF these mainstream artist didn't have the machine cheating to stay ahead! They azz would be struggling artist like the rest of these artist out here. Too many artist and only few making money. RIGGED INDUSTRY.. STREAM NUMBERS BEEN TAMPERED WITH ETC

[@MrHardknox45]

Poor Ish, this whole clip they wasn’t letting him speak 😂

[@justinwinston9929]

like they mentioned in the pod, i used to look forward to music dropping. what drops now is so bad and no longer is worth the time. people then say you have to search for the good music. you can search all you want, what is being offer is becoming less and less. i really fear what hip hop will look like in the next 10 years. the future does not look great

[@andre-le-bone-aparte]

Music Executives: Don''t worry... We are in the Tech Business Now! Tech Companies: So, we've got some more layoffs to announce.

[@sp123]

Technology always devalues labor

[@biscaynesupercars]

These execs gotta earn their worth again. Same reason why Disney, ESPN, Nike and a bunch of other legacy brands are down, you gotta show and prove these days and not rely on past success

[@JUSTSAYING-dg4hu]

The bar went to hell years ago...

[@PoeticJustice7777]

The reason music is different today than it use to be is because copycat is at an time high. People just steal or try to copy whatever is hot or trending WAY more than they use to. Back then artistry was of utmost important. Most artists wanted to create their own lane. They put their heart and souls into the music. We'll probably never have artists like Michael Jackson, 2pac, Prince, The Beatles, etc again. The people who make music these days just want the money, fame, and sponsorships. And also the labels are pushing these types of artists too. They dont know how to recognize artistry. Its also more political/insidious than ever. They don't want to sign artists with a message that stand on certain principles. Which typically those are the best artists.

[@kokolatte825]

Artistry was of the utmost importance in the 50's. It hasn't been that way since they made Elvis

[@miliano_bagrunner]

ish boutta start his own podcast after this 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Justice098]

I think the major label era is way better than the independent era . When the majors ran it there were more classic albums. They had music professionals behind the scenes producing and working records. You had to record 20 songs before you put out one. Now is an artist records 20 songs they are putting out all twenty We aren’t getting a lot of classics in this era that we will be listening to for the next 30 years .

[@kamohelomonakale353]

We watching the party die.

[@LilEddieRuffin]

0:45 I love how yall trying to convince yall selves nothing is related.

[@i.b.w.innovativeblackwoman4503]

Trying soooo hard 😂😂😂 There is NO such thing as a coincidence.

[@ricardoalvarez8415]

Cole and Dot knew about this. Thats why k dot going hard right now and coles album is the Fall off. They knew about the Fall of music.

[@Givetheflowers]

Eve just sold her catalog. It’s def f’d up out here. Married to a rich man or not, it’s F’d up.

[@rolandbishop6610]

Dame dash at home laughing, look at all these sold called people in power being sacked. They not in control they fronting

[@Leonard_Washington76]

Independent/Underground music is about to shine

[@marathonmarley6550]

7:51 most artist don’t have money

[@ZeeZantanaQB]

I tried to tell them 3 years ago 🤣 it’s about to be a goldmine for independent artist ✅✅✅✅

[@M__BIZZLE]

Hip hop slowly fading out when you got live nation buying tickets because some of the biggest artist can’t fill stadiums

[@philly440]

I don't think the major label system is over it's just being reset and they'll have to go back to how the music industry was before... We gonna have to go back to physical copies thats the only way artist get paid the DSP game gonna have to go away

[@sarahgreen1165]

Cap 🧢 He knows exactly why Liles stepped down

[@dariusdaniel1320]

Trying to cover they own ass what it looks like to me 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@Fent-]

Bra I can’t STAND parks voice when he goes “ok!” “For sure” “how?”, etc after someone finishes a sentence lmfao

[@uncleruckus7409]

You know where the money is now? Porn. Music videos are pretty much soft porn anyway. Watch and see many make an industry transition. In the 1980s, MTV on Cable TV was transformational with music accompanied by video tapping into millions of homes, farmer than radio. Today I see music, porn and VR tech as the new frontier via the internet to reach billions. Mark my words!

[@nicolelochren9560]

Independent artists will shine and get their piece of the pie.🥧 ❤

[@febrecordz4032]

Major labels are falling while smaller labels are making a good living off the artist they find and put some bread into them

[@louthawriter]

A big part of this is all the companies catering to independent artists. We all have our own distribution (tunecore, distrokid, etc). And we're all slowly figuring out the royalty collection system. Which is way easier with companies like songtrust. Only thing a label can do is offer marketing dollars. But if you're good with social media you dont need that either. Music is being decentralized, I think it's great.

[@mrervb]

Wrong. Hip-hop labels are over.

[@Theabstractblu]

As a Independent artist 🍿

[@kennethsmith2030]

All tech indeed the future is now 🙌🏾 😅

[@biggmonie]

I agree I miss good album drops too

[@KanuKatalyst]

Love y'all .. why y'all got bot commentary though?? 😅

[@chiefybaby3570]

This was a really good clip today

[@lukepugh76]

End of an era!

[@Marx1684]

4:54 A lot.

[@deeboy4538]

D riding labels is crazy

[@TheEkjordan22]

What episode is this so I can match the whole thing

[@reneebray2962]

Can yall let ish talk please! Smh

[@animalsteele]

Stop it. It can't end. Because who is going to pay for the albums to get done? Who’s going to pay for the marketing? The promotion? The press? And the internet?

[@LEMZITV]

5:00 - completely disagree on the bar point, the bar has been moved and bent out of shape for years. Most major label artists are benefitting off of marketing and lawyers (for things like sample clearances, tighter legislation for getting their music out etc), other than that, the bar on quality isn’t going anywhere. It’ll just be more digital sifting, but we’ve been doing that for the last decade anyway

[@JaredPhipps]

U real Joe Mad respect

[@KD_SWAGGER]

All you need is WiFi these days in order to be heard by millions. More freedom, control & no middleman in the circulation of cash in the independent music department. Major labels are on thin ice.

[@TrvisXXIII]

Everything Joe saying is only adding fuel to the business I have right now 🔥🔥🔥

[@jay3414]

Joe on the Dope comparison " Eddd xactly "😂

[@febrecordz4032]

Look at luh Tyler and lazer dim 700 blowing up making songs off a cell phones with with unheard of produces

[@Aboutthemusic99]

A-Reece rapped about this on Swiss franc/Easer said than done on his latest tape, this tells me how clever he is and he is a independent artist from South Africa🇿🇦 hitting number 1 on Dsp's Check his music and you will here about the system

[@JaredPhipps]

U don't "hold back" ... And dats all streetz want Please 🙏🏿 don't compromise

[@Therealdonroyal]

I’m EXCITED as an independent artist I predicted this industry falling over 5-6yrs ago and the rise for independent artists yall want authentic music here it goes first few years might not be the best but artist will be themselves more without the push of labels agendas it’s DON ROYAL SEASON if you don’t know who I am HERE YOU GO MY LINKS👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾

[@big1ne]

Ish experiencing that Melyssa treatment in this clip is lowkey funny.

[@TheRealMichaelP]

Joe you fuckd up at Def Jam having Envy toward Fab being further in his career than you and you blamed the label

[@WilliamBlack-i7f]

Last 3 days , almost a week... there are being more energy in distribution than labeling. Independent artist will be offered or tricked outta distribution

[@statpadford]

In my opinion, limiting music to being only on Spotify/Apple/KZbin ruined music. The need to make a dollar off of every stream ruined music. Strict copyright strikes on KZbin for creators using music in their videos ruined music. You’ve limited the use of music, you’ve limited its reach, and you’ve lost valuable free promotion. Now nobody really listens to music unless they are in the mood. Podcasts and KZbin videos have replaced music for me in terms of daily listening because music has pigeonholed itself to that. I can’t even review a song on KZbin without getting a strike

[@backwoodduggy7862]

That Don Tolliver album so fire!!!

[@IvyBox]

If the industry made sure the artists was right financially, they would eat off said artists for decades. But I don’t think they want one artist to have all that power. They want to keep them at bay.

[@henryhudson4965]

This generation has destroyed Hip Hop and R&B🚮 7:33

[@moegotit2734]

I agree with parks

[@youngtie7532]

Yall right

[@williamchurch711]

If the average consumer is paying a streaming platform $19.99 a month for unlimited access to the music catalogs of all these prominent artists, what makes you think that would be a lucrative business? The unfortunate reality is the consumer has indicated to you what your product is worth.

[@chuckwelch-nj3ct]

$11 for spotify

[@boomixcrown]

I have Spotify and YT Music and right now I'm listening to 4 hours a day.

[@williamchurch711]

@@boomixcrown I'm confused, what are you trying to convey?

[@boomixcrown]

@@williamchurch711 Im just saying I spend about $20 every month that's all

[@lukepugh76]

Yup. The consumers are controlling the market & labels/streaming services have adopted to make sure they maintain max profit for themselves.

[@internationaltrae8862]

Major labels was only good for tier 1 and tier 2 artists because of concert sales and merchandise. It hurt tier fours and tiered three artists because the label doesn't give them the promotional needs with the fall of these major labels now this is where real artists that know what they are doing business wise can capitalize. Like I say I have a plan but I'm not about to put it all out there if you want to know more there's ways of contacting me. And I'm talking to Joe

[@TSM-tv8hy]

Why the yt boi never seen

[@tarikbarrett5589]

“Lesson!”

[@febrecordz4032]

Even though the major labels are disappearing the smaller labels are really finding the artist needed and blowing them up that’s the name of the game now why use a major when the artist are turning themselves up or is with a smaller label developing and putting time into the artist

[@poppabear2833]

I have never seen Queenzflip so quiet.

[@Jiggysavvy]

Darius miles had the two headband

[@internationaltrae8862]

I know Joe is going to read this text. This is great for music. It gives artists the Independence that they need. There's a step that they could do in a way they can do that will allow hip Hop and r&b artists to surpass the music industry ever did for them. With social media they already have a follow-up I have an idea I have a way. Been plotting and planning this for 7 years. But seeing this hopefully God might move my plan faster

[@TeddyPhone-c7f]

People keep saying people are stepping down because of the puffy situation but name them who are they but nobody names names tell us who step down😂

[@Gwf33]

Nipsey said this on “Mailbox Money” Joe need to play that clip because it was damn near a prophecy

[@iggyman01]

Anybody remember that Vince staples talk a few mths ago. This is what it was about

[@VicariouslyAnodyne]

CAN ISH please SAY WHAT HE HAS TO SAY?!?!

[@rayy4pres194]

No, his “but in corporate..” takes are rarely useful🤷🏾‍♀️

[@Ivyash19]

@@rayy4pres194frfr 😂

[@superbambam1031]

Stop tiptoeing around it, what should artists do now? What changes need to happen in the music industry for it to become successful again?

[@focuz4899]

I DON'T CARE! As long as LL dropped his new album, Common and Pete Rock dropped an album, and Griselda keeps dropping music, I'm straight.

[@maihakili1]

They did Ish dirty on this clip!😂😂😂

[@merros3]

Drinking game: Take a shot every time Ish gets interrupted. I’m drunk AF right. 🥴🥴🥴

[@Sedrick]

Why does one family get to control all the music labels? The government should step it if they are not partaking.

[@rayy4pres194]

Absolutely. The fact that the consolidation happened without the government intervening has me feeling like they’re on the take.

[@mssha1980]

That’s happening in every industry. I’m not sure why they aren’t blocking monopolies

[@tenn1sh2]

Bro, you have to listen to the music. That’s how you find out if it’s good or not. Wow.