Jay-Z Stance On Verzuz | The Joe Budden Podcast

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[@boscobabyy9769]

Ice was right on the Wayne take. No way y’all leave him out the conversation

[@swelly84]

Exactly

[@seanharris140]

Yes way…….

[@cfgodwell]

I'm leaving him out

[@miketime4290]

@@cfgodwell impossible

[@MrMoraltv]

Leave him out wayne anit it

[@youngjmar]

So we really gonna just disrespect wayne like this ? It will really depend on who is the crowd thats judging. The younger crowd will rock with wayne because they don't hold jay in that same regard.

[@sonjabethay2277]

Or people from the South…. Wayne is our Jay

[@REALTRUEJOURNEY]

Yes we are

[@WATCHMETVWATCHME]

WAYNE HAVE THE OLDER CROWD TOO WAYNE LIKE 37 38 BRO WAYNE CATALOG GO BACK 96 TOO

[@twogmarketing303]

The younger crowd went with Dipset too at first

[@malikr2271]

Wayne would rock with Jay his damn self. Nuff said drop mic. Close thread.

[@brandonlecomte7934]

For yall to underestimate Wayne is disrespectful.. I'm from Ohio, I grew up on Hov, and Wayne. Mixtape era Wayne is unbeatable period. Da drought 3, Dedication 2, 3, and 4. No Ceilings, that era is Wayne's. And no one was seeing him period. Not to mention The Carter 2 and 3. Hov said himself, when he heard Wayne's remix to Beyonces Upgrade You. It made Hov reconsider rapping. That in itself says a lot. Wayne wasn't just killing shit in the south. Everywhere you went, you heard Wayne from 07 to 2011. Idk if we will ever see another run like Wayne had. His creativity, metaphors his work ethic, his abstract bars. Fuck outta here with that ish.

[@jakescott9385]

Hands down best comment on here. People have amnesia

[@cruztheunknwn3640]

Preach 💯

[@seanlarry6095]

I was early on Wayne and off of him early too. He made too much music and as a consequence he made a lot of bad music too. The Dedication was Wayne at his peak. Most people think Lollipop Wayne was his best. And if they’re right, Jay will dominate Wayne mercilessly.

[@brandonlecomte7934]

To add to my original comment, im 30 years old. So I was in my teenage years when Wayne had his run. I'm aware that Wayne had his influence on me, because of my age. And because like all things, nostalgia plays a big part. But I did my Hip Hop research before Wayne was making mixtapes. I was listening to the Blueprint 2. Before I heard Dedication 2. In my opinion music will always be, what you resonated with more at the time it was poppin. For me at ages 14-20 Wayne was at his best. But bar for bar, song for song, artists you've signed etc. Wayne will go down as the greatest in my opinion! Look at the artists we have today. 90% of them will attribute Wayne to being an influence.

[@brandonlecomte7934]

@@seanlarry6095 Wtf are you talking about? What's off of him early mean? What year? What era? What mixtape? What album? When did you decide to stop listening? His music has always been dope, his problem is.. He cant top his old shit, bc he was at a different place personally, musically and creatively.

[@dbuck2862]

Eminem, NAS, Busta Rhymes, Kanye West, Ice Cube, would all be great verzuz for Jay-Z.

[@alainmc4147]

They didn't mention Eminem. That's disrespect

[@atonscott]

Or nas

[@prestonlawrence6364]

Wayne is the most dangerous in a Verzuz. Wayne can beat people with freestyles and remixes alone. Then you got mixtapes, features, album hits, young money hits, and cash money hits

[@jjack5118]

I dont like mixtape stuff in Verzuz, those songs are usually good because of the other person's beat. They're kind of like a cheat code for a hit.

[@MiNoGanG]

@@jjack5118 for most people yes. But when Wayne takes your song, it becomes his. 😂 nobody is playing Mike Jones without playing Wayne’s version first

[@shantisamiller4512]

@@jjack5118 I agree

[@icebergthegamer]

Jay is SMOKING Wayne.

[@jeffreyblocker7371]

Is it a boy or a girl?? 🤔

[@GPain83]

Respect to Ice for standing his ground. The Bias is definitely showing on this episode

[@Trap323a]

Wayne and jay are a good match up they have to do 50 songs

[@brandonlawrence665]

Facts. I fux with Ice ever since he been on the show. He ain’t scared to say his opinion and I respect that.

[@BergManATM]

It’s not bias….it’s TRUTH!!!!!

[@hihaters2004]

Shut up

[@adriansingletary7863]

@@Trap323a if it’s 50 then jay wins but 20 gives room for Wayne to win

[@sitandpolitic]

Ice is 100% correct Wayne would make it interesting for the 18-35 demo. Honestly when they said universally PSA over a Millie is the perfect example of the generation gap. Great convo guys.

[@bundydachosen1]

Honestly psa is the better song but amillie is more popular

[@Kingkmf]

@@bundydachosen1 nah Millie better

[@sitandpolitic]

@@bundydachosen1 PSA is incredible especially in the context of the Black Album. As a stand alone song though , idk I’ll take the relentless energy Wayne is bringing with a Millie.

[@sitandpolitic]

@@bundydachosen1 I’m interested in the conversation , admittedly I may be coming with a southern bias 😂😂

[@Noirlore]

Kanye would cook hov in that demo

[@radasez]

Joe said I’m not gonna argue and spend an hour arguing. Lol. Great show

[@QuintQuint18]

Bruh, I love Ice, but because of his Hov Hat, he didn't give a good enough argument for Wayne. 1. In the parameters of Verzuz, wayne got the hits, FEATURES [which were never mentioned in this debate] and freestyles. 2. Mack Maine and Tez wont let Wayne go into a verzuz unprepared. 3. Wayne is definitely in performance shape (so is Hov) so idk what Ice was talking about. He definitely wouldn't pull a dip set on stage. Give Wayne the time to go over his bars like he would for a tour concert n he'll be str8.

[@QuintQuint18]

And by the by, Joe ain't listened to 2020-21 Wayne cuz he was still against Wayne's racism stance. Joe dont know bout that Comme Des Garcons freestyle 🔥 lol

[@mikelarryy5]

100% bro.

[@mikelarryy5]

@@QuintQuint18 Cannon freestyle…

[@TGUTTAExiT21]

Jay Z needs none of that just give him a mic and spin the wheel lol

[@aaronbrieno8452]

Very disappointed they didn’t mention Wayne features. He was prolific on features for a good 5-7 stretch

[@robertmendozanasty]

Wayne was running through the west.. Wayne’s mixtape era was goated

[@ochomunna270]

Wayne wasn't running through no west. I'm one of his biggest fans from since his Hot Boys/Bling Bling era, and even I know he only really went mainstream after '06 and Lollipop. Jay-Z been worldwide mainstream since '99, even his first album was classic before he really went mainstream in '99.

[@MambaMentality617]

Joe and the other dude are smoking crack. Wayne’s mixtapes was so fire that he outdid peoples own tracks and made you think he made the original. Lol

[@MambaMentality617]

@@ochomunna270 it doesn’t matter when he went mainstream once he blew up he took over. Period. Wayne’s shit was all over the radio and we not even talking the hot boys era and shit. His joints with drake , etc jay z actually don’t stand a chance vs Wayne In a verzus

[@ochomunna270]

@@MambaMentality617 you said Wayne was running through the West like he compares to Hov. Wayne's peak was '06-'09 dawg, his artistic peak of having hits and never been the same after that. How was he running through the West when he was mostly know in the South until those three years and not much since? And in comparison to Jay-Z? You guys got to learn to make an objective argument. Lil Wayne is not close to Jay-Z in anyway, are you sure that you listened to Jay-Z Grammy freestyle for example? The meaningful bars and lyrics is different to a rapper constantly ranting ''hip-hop is my supermarket, shopping cart full of fake hip-hop artistes''. It sounds cool and all that, but has no meaningful undertone or contents. Jay-Z is a professor in the rap game, he drops knowledge that makes you go ''damn''. Even Lil Wayne would not put himself in Hov stratosphere, it's always the fans doing this sh*t

[@juiceman4109]

I bought The drought 3 in New York from a bootlegger like in 2007, everybody was bumping it, lying talking bout Wayne didn’t get no play up north, I’m from Baltimore, everybody love Wayne

[@jamo2798]

To think Wayne cant compete with Hov is hilarious. I think some of yall forgot Wayne been having hits since '98

[@mrspgrew]

And hov has a classic that came out in 96. Time doesn't decide

[@iammarioareyes]

His camp had hits at n 98 not Wayne. He ain’t really start getting it popping till 04 with the Carter. His albums before that didn’t have anyone thinking he’d be one of the GOATs, which he is but not comparable to HOV

[@juicegawdzavo194]

@@iammarioareyes wasn’t the hot boyz before the carter my g.? If this verzuz ever happened, it’s the Lox all over again.. Jay Z ain’t the debate, it’s the amnesia you Niggas got when it comes to Wayne my boy.

[@ProtaJ]

Wayne did not have a hit in 1998. Gtfoh

[@outlawz38]

98? You a couple years too late

[@mopar_keys]

Soon as HOV opens with PSA it’s over😂😂😂

[@johnpichon689]

Wayne got a Feature catalog that can vs anybody…Wayne got a Mixtapes catalog that can’t be matched….Wayne got an Albums catalog that can hang with the best

[@Ajaxx92]

very well said. I 100 percent agree.

[@ballerambition]

Still losing to HOV... but... Wayne right there.

[@ethomarley6239]

Wayne losing to hov, & I’m a huge tune fan Wayne can’t match jayz, imagine Wayne coming with his hits, most of them are childish imo Street Wayne (c2) can’t go up against reasonable doubt era Wayne Anything from c3 isn’t playable Suffix and prefix is basically roc nation remixes Only thing Wayne might have him on is feature Wayne and even then you’re playing tracks that a lot of people wouldn’t know word for word

[@mopar_keys]

Agreed… and he’s my favorite rapper… he not fuckin with Jay

[@johnpichon689]

@@ethomarley6239 Rap music started as party music it isn’t just grown bars only.. Ppl listen to music for entertainment and growth.. Hov may talk more adult but as for bars and metaphors Wayne can match anyone.. Everyone saying the same things in different ways.. Hov biggest records were radio friendly street anthems and party songs..Not his grown man shit…Wayne has charted way more than Jay Z.. Versus is about hits

[@membersofthemetaverse9617]

Wayne is being greatly underestimated here. Speaking as someone from the West Coast, Wayne is just as big as Jay in a lot of people's eyes here. Also, his mixtape song with Adele is fire regardless of if its your first time hearing it or not.

[@moorfyaapreston2845]

Stop it. Jay is smoking Wayne.

[@DomesticSavage]

Coming from the West coast myself. Wayne is not as big as Jay is only to the younger crowd and even then it’s close. The majority 30+ plus is rockin with Jay.

[@picxlmedia7856]

😂😂😂😂🧢

[@ramire7heavenz252]

How old are you kid? And I'm a fan of Wayne from 97 at 13 on the east coast

[@quintonmiller8266]

@@moorfyaapreston2845 lies

[@KreativeJ]

Wayne needs two things to beat Jay.. a dj who truly knows his music & a new stylist

[@LilKray4556]

He gotta bring Mannie out for the Verzuz it’s a must.

[@ImtooFuturistic]

Exactly if he brings Mannie Fresh its ova

[@tilerlife2593]

I truly think if it’s Wayne and jay on stage. They both wearing suits. Look at when they on a song or on stage and it’s planned they are both in suits. But Wayne definitely needs Mannie fresh or Dj Drama up there for sure

[@justinscott4357]

What is hay gonna play if wayne plays back dat azz up???? For a crowd????? This crowd adds a new feature they not taking into consideration. You gotta have them records that preform well for a crowd. Do jay really have more joints than wayne that would shake a building like wayne has??

[@LilKray4556]

@@justinscott4357 Big Pimpin would be my guess to go against Back Dat Azz Up.

[@youngjedi8963]

Jay talking like Kanye wouldn't wash him in a Verzuz😂😂

[@dpowell468]

He wouldnt... would be close though. Kanye gets no traction in 2023. Killed his own career

[@shane4976]

@@dpowell468 That is not true. Kanye remains one of the most streamed artists in the world right now.

[@johnq.8167]

There are generational issues that JayZ isn't considering, we only need 20 songs. We're not comparing catalogs, we only need 20 songs. Lil Wayne can do 20 songs, and the 30 year old and younger crowd is rocking with Wayne.

[@ArtisanWindchimes]

But if Lil Wayne forgets his lyrics? He will rap over the background track?

[@johnq.8167]

@@ArtisanWindchimes that scenario is whack... think about what happens if Wayne's DJ plays instrumentals and he sounds CRYSTAL CLEAR... or better yet what if Wayne just holds the microphone to the crowd and let the audience go beast mode

[@ArtisanWindchimes]

@@johnq.8167 not happening. Wayne don’t remember his lyrics and he don’t sound clear like the other actual track live. Not like Jadakiss. Jay don’t use background vocals.

[@donmacmilly]

Bruh if you leave Jay-z with ONLY 20 song lil wayne won't walk away with 1 round. Extending the rounds only work for lil wayne and he still losing. Jay-z has enough timeless music that lil wayne would automatically lose

[@erica2love1]

@@donmacmilly you don’t even believe this yourself. Shut up. Wayne got too much

[@VanPheonix]

It's not just songs Jay-Z performs; it can also be the songs he wrote for others that are hits. Jay-Z has written for hits for Dre, Diddy, Beyoncé, etc. He is not in the songwriters Hall of Fame for nothing.

[@faithhouse6111]

I'm a verzuz, He can't perform the songs he wrote for others.

[@melinekford7473]

He wrote a hook for Dre he didn’t write whole songs for dre

[@MAGNUMTIZED79]

Nah fam he got to many songs to pull that lol

[@dontayedaniels5710]

@@faithhouse6111 yes he can lol it’s a flex that’s what the verzuz is about

[@Scales_of_Life]

Mystikal been eating chumps like Jay Z. New York promotes their own. If Scareface or 8 Ball & MJG was from New York we wouldn't be having this conversation. Listen to Look into my eyes by Scareface. Y'all naming Drake and Kanye West 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Tell LL Cool J to rock his bells!

[@jasontate9826]

Wayne got everybody in the industry sounding like him and looking like him .. they tripping

[@iaintgonlie7858]

ny niggas are biased from the midwest, lil wayne was everybodies fave for multiple eras

[@Dman_chiefen96]

@@iaintgonlie7858 facts

[@eeeccc4876]

Everyone knows Wayne had ghostwriters. So were ppl in the industry really sounding like Wayne or his ghostwriters?🤔

[@joelcastellanos1330]

I think that’s a diss and a compliment, but more so a compliment to Jay. Everybody knew they couldn’t even try, but with Wayne, everybody did, and then guess what happened? Wayne’s music slowly became irrelevant, cause the industry was flooded with wannabes. Then when you heard a wayne track it didn’t sound so different from everyone else. When Jay z drops an album or new track, it’s refreshing, timeless, and you can feel the difference in quality.

[@jonahjoy5463]

@@eeeccc4876 bro what? Wayne hasn't written a bar in over a decade.

[@DeeMaxum]

For me it's only Busta, Kanye, or Wayne that could potentially beat Jay in a verzuz...and in context, ONLY on a verzuz type platform... But as far as bars and skill for skill level there's many that can beat Jay

[@drittzz9245]

Don't take this the wrong way but this podcast and tbe Rory and Mal one are legitimately the last people I want to hear talk about Jay in a Verzuz you literally can't get more biased unless Blue was being asked herself 🤷‍♂️

[@6thbr871]

So you only wanna hear from people who don’t fuck with hov lol you clowns are weird as hell, like nigga we fuck with hov heavy in nyc, get over it.

[@Ginga]

They’re biased but have plenty of industry knowledge too. How many people can really mess with Jay in a Verzuz?

[@drittzz9245]

@@6thbr871 no but someone who doesn't willingly refer to themselves as a Hovenger isn't someone I think could be a neutral or non biased judge. That's all I'm saying 🤷‍♂️

[@greenmatrix30seven]

New York bias at its finest

[@AshBashSneakers]

@@drittzz9245 exactly! Plus Joe desperately wants him on the pod and would never say anything that could mess that up lol

[@michellerivera5419]

I am not saying who will win in a verzus between Lil Wayne and Jay Z, but, I do not like that they are downplaying Wayne’s talent. It boils down to what each rapper plays against each record

[@SpeedBoostGamer]

Yeah The dude in the red was buggen saying that the world wouldn’t know 20 wayne records like stoppp

[@sinbrown8742]

bro he can't use non of the songs gilla the kid wrote

[@flashgordon8761]

New York Ninja's are the bias

[@Harryberkowtz]

@@sinbrown8742 relax none of the songs gillie help write would even be picked. Boy helped with one album. Now y’all act like he made his career . Smh

[@Harryberkowtz]

@@sinbrown8742 like Jay ain’t bite multiple Niggas lyrics and flows.

[@thebusinessgospelpodcast7953]

"I wear the crown, the city is mine, you cannot hold that. I'm not the one to go at, you fuck around, meet Joe Black!" - Nas 🐐

[@kayodeodusanya5751]

Fire!

[@GeraldgizmoBryant]

Yeah!!!!!! That’s what had Jay on his toes😂

[@bigjohnboatright3811]

It took Mr. Jones over 20yrs to finally win his first Grammy he ain’t running shit. 😂

[@edwardcolon3246]

“Eminem murdered you on your own 💩”. Nas!

[@thebusinessgospelpodcast7953]

@@bigjohnboatright3811So that you're clear, the Grammy wasn't the goal! " - Nas

[@calvinhill1517]

Wayne has 14 albums and 29 mixtapes and the "God" wanted to sign Wayne east coast bias as usual🤷🏿‍♂️

[@blakshaeinc6175]

Facts!!! Jay my favorite of all time but he will lose to Wayne

[@kjj2656]

wanting to sign someone that would make you some money means something now lol

[@Drayrosae]

Having 14 albums and 29 mixtapes don’t help in a versuz. Cause you ONLY get 20 songs. And then mixtape songs are not gonna hit in a stadium crowd against hoves hits.

[@thewavybaby7951]

Hov is your favorite rapper's favorite rapper. STOP IT

[@rjfletcher7677]

Yeah the from the east coast

[@lion-o6821]

I'm with Ice. We've seen it happen. lol All it takes is one less than amazing joint and the momentum can shift!

[@lovette7684]

All is takes is a Jadakiss-type performance...

[@thechocolatedelegate9830]

If a NY rapper had Wayne's resume, history, accomplishments, and influence..... They'd clearly pic Wayne over Jay

[@koreyjackson8116]

Say it again bro!!!!! 💯💯

[@jsant8998]

True but understand Jayz aside from 50 were the last NY artists to make a huge impact for the East before the south tookover and Wayne reigned King and made his own history and accomplishments. You can make arguments on both ends but both did their their shit and made history respectably

[@jay-nx4uq]

Knock it off

[@seanharris140]

What does that even mean? 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂 Wayne trash. Keep it pushin.

[@tiggyroyale4549]

Agree

[@mariopalmero5693]

Nobody is smoking Wayne on a verzuz. He could lose, but it's gonna be a close call

[@hmosesmamulu6491]

I've been seeing comments on ig, Twitter, KZbin and Facebook..your comment is legit the MOST fair statement I've heard

[@ChrisBX89]

That’s what everyone was saying about dip set vs the lox and look what happened

[@illronico7026]

Bruh he don't remember half of those songs he made. It would get ugly for him against Jay.

[@wtcher2060]

@@illronico7026 so that’s your argument? He’s gonna lose because he can’t remember his songs? 🤦🏾‍♂️ Man do y’all hear yourselves? 😄🤡

[@moorfyaapreston2845]

Whatever bruh. Jay is smoking Wayne easily.

[@ELITEPSYCHE100]

Jay Z stage presence and convo to the audience will put him over the top

[@lilwhi5tle913]

Hell naw

[@Ayeehill]

I’m sorry HOV on DOA said “I might send this to the mixtape WEEZY” because he know WAYNE AND WEEZY are completely different beings if we talking rapping and Weezy clearing ANYONE on a Verzuz stage

[@andyheath5244]

It’s because Wayne struggles with song writing, he just knows how to put punchlines together but no cohesiveness in his raps.

[@rashodlewis2918]

@@andyheath5244 I agree. I don’t want to listening to punchline rap and listen to a dude to kiss men.

[@khosta6690]

@@andyheath5244 not all songs, you clearly dont know Wayne's catalog

[@andyheath5244]

@@khosta6690 I know just as much as you, he has his moments where he does well, Mona lisa n others, but mostly he just a random punchline dude

[@thecoach11]

Wayne shows be ass cut it out 😂 Jay shows are Epic you’re on KZbin look it up

[@gracetouray8225]

Hiphop is about competition. Let Hov come out and prove his point. Nas is steady three peating on him right now with those last three albums.

[@edwindigital4598]

I don't disagree at all and I'm more of a Nas fan than Hov fan BUT... In reality, how many songs from those albums are already considered classics and in 10-20 years time will ppl think they're hit records? The albums in their entirety are great, but individual songs that are as timeless as some of his already classics... Idk about that.

[@jeromep3182]

@@edwindigital4598 true but only Nas album was inducted into the library of Congress non of jay Z albums were that goes beyond being a classic.

[@jamesmettle2]

@@jeromep3182 stop displaying your ignorance...go n read and come back

[@jeromep3182]

@@jamesmettle2 after you

[@ebo7310]

Facts

[@LansingMusicTV]

Their bias is unbelievable and Ice is completely right it’s all about the songs and the order as long as you got a good 20 anybody can be beat

[@truckbuilt_4748]

Actually Kiss and Busta Rhymes did

[@lazarusjackson1792]

How is it biased when they stressed at least 30 damn times it’s no shade to Wayne and they love Wayne. Just like homie said Wayne himself will tell you he’s not doing a verzuz against Jay . How many times Wayne said HOV is the Goat? A lot

[@lawrencegambrell4293]

Terrific conversation. All on the panel were strong... very strong.

[@AnimeSlaps]

"the arrogance of MC's" - Joe Budden

[@bk2les]

Lol ironic af!

[@bigfootsdickgoesfirst8423]

joe's a clown 24/7.

[@oviegrantdigbori9659]

He speaks loudly when staning hove...Sucker..

[@theandrewbello]

So… we’re just pretending Em doesn’t exist now? He spits the Renegade verse and the mood’ll change real quick.

[@robertwoodard8030]

Can you imagine if Jay chooses that song and brings out ‘Em for that one? Game over!

[@theandrewbello]

@@robertwoodard8030 I think Jay tries to forget that song.

[@theandrewbello]

@@navminhas412 So? Em still killed Jay on the beat. That's what we're talking about here. Without Em, it's just another Jay song, which Jay would probably prefer at this point.

[@theandrewbello]

@@navminhas412 bruh, the entirety of rap fandom agrees Em had the better bars. That’s all I’ve been saying. It’s still true, no matter what mental gymnastics you want to do.

[@So_Oneal]

As crazy as this sounds, but people forgot about how Popping Wayne was and a menace he was on the mic and still is. Wayne has the longevity as Hov, the mainstream success, mixtape bangers of course, features, and he has influenced so many other hip hop artists using his style.

[@tony4534]

How many classic albums though?

[@125henni]

Boy been rappin since 16

[@donpatchey3178]

@@tony4534 at least 3 or 4

[@mr.wright9394]

Longevity as Hov..... 😂😂😂

[@tony4534]

@@donpatchey3178 Nah lol

[@luckylefty2405]

My favorite episode. Just based off the conversation. Great points were brought up all around

[@630designs]

Yep Yep

[@Charles_N]

I say his best competition would be busta (solos, features, chart hits, etc)

[@AYCHMENG]

I agree with ice 100% if it comes off as debatable that would be a loss to Hov. He is supposed to clean up whoever he’s going against. At the end of the day, it depends on what records the person picks Jay-Z has an advantage but if someone like Wayne were to set the tone and pick the right records Wayne could beat him.

[@pidzotech1322]

So we are trying to really compare someone who has been relevant for over 3 decades to someone who only became relevant for 1 decade and that was it. You're trying to pick and choose where Wayne could win hey I could pick and choose were Rakeem or Tupac or Biggie could win against Jay but if we are talking facts nobody has the discography that he has I get it Wayne was nice for a minute and we can say he had at least 10 years a good run with Carter 3 and 4 along with the Young Money but come on. Jay has people clamoring over his B-Sides for a concert. Wayne has hits but he doesn't have classics that Jay has. Jay has hits and classics. This will all boil down to generation who did you grow up listening and Wayne was hot and he fail off. Let's not forget Wayne has Jay's verse tattoo on him. Let's speak real now.

[@AYCHMENG]

@@pidzotech1322 I hear you there but we are talking a Versus competition not a career competition. Maybe that criteria applies in the selection of who that competition is. Wayne has a lot of respect in hiphop he came out three years after Jay. I live in the south so a lot of us knew Wayne was gonna be that guy in the early 2000s. He didn’t really become relevant to the rest of the world until his Dedication mixtapes The Carter Series of albums. He is a highly respected MC. Well Biggie and Pac are dead so having a VS battle is out lol. This is simply a competition of who picks the best songs versus your songs. Jay obviously has the better career win but if all I have to do is pick 20 songs that can beat your 20 that’s all you need to have victory. My selection Nas, Ye, Drake, Wayne, Em, Busta would be worthy opponents. They would be having a long day with Jay against any of them

[@KING-iz7wb]

@@pidzotech1322 10 years ? Bra Wayne been the game since 95. His first album dropped in 2000. Both are my fav artists so I don't have a dog in this fight but you are way off on Wayne's career . Wayne is the michael Jackson of rap based on his age when he started and what he accomplished imo

[@trentimus5700]

It wouldn’t be debatable. Jay Z is the greatest rapper of all time. He has hits, whole albums, lyrics, delivery and flow. He would clean anyone up. The only kids thinking it’s debatable are the ones dumb enough to compare future to Jay.

[@AYCHMENG]

@@trentimus5700 him being the greatest of all time is your opinion and you have a right to your opinion. But not everyone thinks that I think as a career as a whole without a doubt JAY-Z is one of the greatest. But to me he had a couple dud albums the dynasty was OK had like four songs , volume one was aight but no Reasonable doubt. Volume three had like five songs that hit. He had Street recognition with reasonable doubt and volume one but he didn’t become a commercial success until hard knock life.Kingdom come ehh

[@tilerlife2593]

So y’all really think only Drake and Ye can beat Jay. Y’all really don’t think Wayne can do it? Wayne can beat him just in performance.

[@redpillproductions7187]

Eminem

[@jaydot1334]

Performance is exactly where he’d lose.

[@CC-iy6zk]

@@redpillproductions7187 Hell nah

[@christopheredwards8427]

Why do y'all think JayZ can't preform?

[@phemomashiqa1474]

Drake aint touching jay in a versus lol

[@dlo615]

I really hate how y’all tried to make it seem like Wayne was ONLY killing it in the south because he definitely was killing it EVERYWHERE

[@playahdub5287]

Not on the eastcoast

[@heakiller4621]

Cap! Wayne deemed himself THE BEST RAPPER ALIVE! Only one disputed that was Jay-z! Wayne got a WHOLE DIPSET CATALOGUE

[@benjaminnichols1157]

The “A Milli” vs “PSA” crystallizes the whole argument. Hov would light him up.

[@goliath0311]

Lil Wayne can go against Jay Z Not easy but he can definitely give him a run better than other Rappers.

[@lyricalstyles]

I agree. Can’t think of anyone else who would be a good match up. Maybe eminem or nas

[@doncallowayc]

Busta and Jay z

[@KingTey9845]

Yes so damn true...now we know Jay can beat anyone in MSG. Nas is the only one that can beat him in the Garden. BUT! Can Jay beat Lil Wayne in New Orleans? Does region matter?

[@goliath0311]

@@KingTey9845 good point

[@darkknight9086]

Eminem Kanye and Nas can definitely go against Jay

[@cinematicsamurai3155]

I mean im listening to Nas: Ether right now. Anyone remember when Nas set flame to the soul of HOV? With just one diss track.

[@eddiemavusso]

It just shows how Hovs not untouchable. Nas got Jay in his feelings.

[@Its_Shaq]

It’s a diss track this is about hits nas will get smoked

[@eddiemavusso]

@@Its_Shaq Wayne got insane hits too.. Hell, he's shaped a generation. Yes, Jay will win but don't act like he'd smoke completely.

[@McStrokeAvision]

@@Its_Shaq you on drugs

[@justhavingfum]

With that whole album

[@world161]

Wayne has the best mixtape collection all time

[@SP-gw4rh]

ICE standing his ground I love it. Jay-Z is my favorite rapper of all time but on a verses idk if he can stand. My mother is a 55 year old Mexican woman and she was impressed when she heard Wayne Mrs.Officer she was shook with his funny clever lyrics

[@savagemoves9601]

Sleepin on lil Wayne heavy as 90s baby from NY trust mee we was bumping wayne OD but the difference in time I can see why u guys say JAY no hidin Jay the goat but I agree wwith wayne can win with the correct song in the right order

[@Heyautumn_]

AGREED!!!

[@peterburton9218]

What Wayne doing with reasonable doubt 🤔 the block is hot 🤣🤣

[@TheSteelernation11]

Thank youuuu I was born in 92 & bothem niggas was relevant my whole life

[@RoycesRant]

Nah

[@RoycesRant]

Manny fresh beats will be the death of old Lil Wayne lol

[@JorgeCastro-ui3pi]

Wayne-Ye-Drake can go up against anybody including Jay. Y’all forget that versus is about hit records not who the better lyricist is.

[@Flysouthfilms]

Jada changed the rules a bit by adding freestyles in the equation. Same Kane vs KRS-One Verzuz, some say Kane won because of the freestyles.

[@liljigga215]

Cam has way more hits and Jada cooked him live. Cut that shit out

[@jrsmith4224]

Facts about that . Buy have 1 question. Y wasn't eminem not included into this. It was like they were afraid to say candyman. With the right pick jay can take a L against Wayne . But em should b I this convo.

[@joebidenjr5902]

@@liljigga215 Cam doesn't have hard hitting hits, Cam doesn't have a Can't Tell Me Nothing, Power, Stronger, Runaway, Dark Fantasy, Gorgeous in his catalog

[@timoaksproductions]

MAJOR FACTS

[@BilalAli-jz4pm]

As a non American, after seeing this I understand the New York memes a lot more

[@6thbr871]

You should visit for ya self, the internet isn’t real life.

[@ArtisanWindchimes]

@@6thbr871 his name is Bilal Ali trying to give his opinion on black American culture

[@6thbr871]

@@ArtisanWindchimes he just following the narratives he see on KZbin, I would be tight if my experience of certain places is through KZbin.

[@tyrelllawless5117]

@@6thbr871 don’t act like New York ain’t heavily biased for the East coast every other region gives each other credit accept the east coast

[@6thbr871]

@@tyrelllawless5117 bruh niggas in nyc don’t even give credit to other niggas in nyc, you not from here so you don’t know that. What ya see as being ny biased is how we really feel, saying jayz would smoke Wayne in a versus is not ny bias it’s just some hip hop shit. We don’t give credit because we arrogant as fuck and that’s just how we are, whether that’s a good or bad thing it’s just some ny shit. Outta towners shouldn’t even try to understand.

[@izzy9189]

The only person fitting to step in a versus ring with Jay z is Nas . Same era, same intensity, bars for bars gone be matched. The whole beef history between them, now they reconciled. Versus has evolved from just picking a list of top 20 records , it's about the delivery. The lox showed us that Versus Dipset. Ja rule showed us that Versus Fat Joe.

[@tinawalker5335]

Agreed. I think that’s the only person Hov would say stands a chance but that’s on rap. Future and Drake make nice songs they’re not great rappers.

[@izzy9189]

@@tinawalker5335 yes Nas is the only one fitting to go against Hov. I'm not really a fan of future, like one or two of his songs, not a fan. Drake though.. I won't sell him so short, he got some great records, I think people over look him because he got 40 , but when drake is on a record , whether it's his or someone else's, it sounds like a Drake record, just saying lol

[@romievtvandpublications5495]

Hits mad can't hold that end

[@mrking-ce4jc]

Anywhere outside of New York and the surrounding states, hov is 100% beatable!

[@ImtooFuturistic]

The problem is NY ppl believe the surrounding states don’t exist

[@mrspgrew]

@@ImtooFuturistic they're there, we just don't care. YOU'RE SUPPOSED to support your area. Why do y'all need NY to accept y'all so much???

[@dlmoney11]

Facts. Only ny niggas think he God

[@Commonsens8]

Yeah because you guys literally haters lol

[@BG33917]

Facts these dudes sound a lil crazy when they speak about Jay Z lmaoo maybe because I’m younger

[@WEGOTBUCKSENT365]

That shit would turn into a Jay Z concert 😂🤣

[@OurDailyHussle]

FACTS

[@johnsondailysports1341]

Facts, nobody want that smoke

[@lorenzohardy5212]

Facts

[@vic9844]

Until Wayne perform right behind him

[@WEGOTBUCKSENT365]

@@vic9844 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@TheAlkebulanTrust]

Jay-Z was putting out the bait and unfortunately not one rapper took the bait. Because they know they would lose against Hov in a VERZUZ. But for the culture it would be great to see him go against Nas.

[@bwbmoreb]

🧢

[@Ginga]

@@bwbmoreb How?

[@biffskywalker4589]

🧢🧢🧢

[@brooklyngbaby3270]

@Kyle Flack HAHHAHAHAHAHA X couldn't even beat snoop fuck outta hea

[@rongeojohns7906]

@Kyle Flack exactly he didn’t want it!

[@deggree]

Assuming the best records are chosen NOBODY is beating Jay. The records is where it starts but the look on stage is a big part of it. Jay does not falter he will not pick the wrong records traditionally he does not make the mistakes that he would need to make to lose a versus versus anyone. He’s got ALL the features. He can rap A cappella, he’s regarded as the big brother to the biggest in the game. Anyone who would try to talk crazy to Jay on stage, like say a Future is gonna end up looking CRAZY!!! And last but not least Guru is probably gonna DJ his set a man who’s been his personal engineer for 30 years.

[@jeta_tv7993]

The disrespect for nas is out of order

[@hulksmash50150]

They won't Bring him up because he beat hov already 😒👀😜😭😭😭😭

[@duey_vee]

Jay Z said he almost retired after hearing Wayne freestyle over Show Me What You Got. Lol y’all biased man. Lol

[@OMA-fs1gm]

Bless them. They want that roc nation brunch invite😂

[@BG33917]

@@OMA-fs1gm lmao so bias they can’t even hide it

[@andyheath5244]

But Wayne got jay lyrics tatted on him

[@M360-w6o]

@@andyheath5244 so what, what does that have to do with the tracks that get played in a Verzuz ?

[@andyheath5244]

@@M360-w6o the original statement was jay respecting Wayne craft, the comment I said the Wayne respecting jays,

[@vinnizle]

Wayne the only one that'll be untouchable in a versus

[@uudi]

Joes hate for Em runs real deep 😂 Em sits at the top table 20/20 easy!

[@marcussylvas9411]

Wayne vs Jay Z would be a 🔥 match up.

[@johnchaney9100]

Wayne vs jay and drake vs Ye

[@redpillproductions7187]

@@johnchaney9100 Eminem clappin

[@Therockbestwrestler]

They danced around Em so hard! 😂😆

[@justindaisy9951]

Why though?

[@noydb8310]

@@justindaisy9951 because he’s white 😂🤣

[@endritgj]

Because if they mention Em there would be no conversation, Em would smoke everybody on a versus👍🏼

[@justindaisy9951]

Indeed he would. No question about it.

[@gtylerbrown2]

@@endritgj in a public vote eminem is unstoppable. He has too many fans. But if a group of hip hop heads were to do the voting em is beatable

[@montiprophecy3651]

DMX(R.I.P) has been calling out Jay-Z to do a battle for the longest time. The battle they did in the 90’s on Webster Ave was legendary, however we needed them on Verzus.

[@joshuabrown1645]

Facts and busta called him out 2. Hova the goat but hes beatable Snoop Dogg has 20 that can beat him, LL Cool J, Lil Wayne, Kanye West, Nas, Busta Rhymes.

[@wotabottle]

DMX RIP didn't get past Snoop.

[@Mr718Mega]

D.M.X at one point maybe, but at the time he was calling out Jay .... he'll no. Respectfully

[@suspensefulness]

@@joshuabrown1645 facts, niggas sayin jay can't loose 20 songs in a versus is wild..smh

[@dreg5033]

Keep genre's together. Hits, girl tracks, bars, nostalgia. I would like to keep it someone together.

[@josefshitaleni9781]

will jay z be allowed to play songs that kanye produced, if not. jay z wont win

[@SavvyOn3]

Hov said that because in the Grammy family freestyle he said "my mind's on Pluto" at about 2 and a half mins in. Edit: because of that bar and factoring in Hov's ability to deliver cleverly and make it even more specific makes it a guaranteed point against Future.

[@timothynash442]

Nas is killin the scene right now. His last 3 albums. Plus Illmatic, IWW, Lost Tapes, Godson, Stillmatic????? Smh not to mention the Wu features. Smh Yall riding hard for Jay.

[@Maal7432]

Lol these niggaz forget. Nas can get him!

[@mjrowden]

I think Nas is more like a fine wine - an acquired taste for those that really appreciate lyrics and NY Hip Hop. Jay got far more chart records that will rock a wider audience, and I think that would win him a 20 v 20 in a Verzuz. Be clear though, Nas my 🐐 but I feel like Nas would have a smaller but more refined audience. That’s not really helpful in a Verzuz.

[@logicsir5257]

Bruh Nas and Hov 20 songs in Madison Square Garden I got Nas !

[@DefiantMercenary]

It’s really hard to deny Kanye west being able to beat jayz he has a lot of pockets he can tap into.

[@postmastersgt1670]

"Kanye West" can beat Jay no problem. 1. Stronger 2. Good Life 3. Through The Wire 4. All Falls Down 5. Gold Digger 6. Heartless 7. Goood Morning 8. Flashing Lights 9. Devil In New Dress 10. Cant Tell Ne Nothing 11. Amazing 12. All Falls Down 13. All Of The Lights 14. Jesus Walks 15. Through The Wire 16. Touch The Sky 17. We Major 18. We Dont Care 19. Slow Jamz 20. Champion

[@M360-w6o]

@@postmastersgt1670 let’s not forget New God Flow, Mercy, All Day, Devil in a new dress and others plus his features and plus his production for Jay and others

[@haadtheevision]

Idk why ppl acting like Kanye wouldn’t run laps around Jay in a Verzuz

[@dretheman123]

Kanye would embarrass Jay. The only people that refuse to accept this is old school hip-hop elitists, who think Hov can walk on water. Jay is a rapper that managed to cross over, that’s it…Kanye is one of the most versatile artists we’ve ever seen, and that goes for all music genres, and has anthems that touch everybody. Jay doesn’t have a Jesus Walks or Can’t Tell Me Nothing. There’s levels to this.

[@quandadon8]

Y’all wild drunk in these comments

[@nitsujneal]

Wayne SMACKIN Hov in a Verzuz

[@notfinancialadvice4325]

The only songs they talked about was A Milli and Lollipop 🤣…Y’all already in trouble if that’s the only two songs y’all heard

[@brookshoftv]

Because Wayne got a lot more shit to air jay z out

[@Dominiquepm727]

Cause real Wayne fans don’t even like A Milli like that

[@andyheath5244]

It’s because that’s his two biggest records

[@M360-w6o]

@@andyheath5244 yeah but they were mentioning album cuts for Jay

[@andyheath5244]

@@M360-w6o guess who’s back and psa were singles

[@ElevatedMindzBaM]

Only Nas verzuz jay would be great. No comp just a celebration of 2 of the greatest ever to put words in a bar and rhyme them sequentially

[@cfgodwell]

AGREED 💯

[@frescojames9243]

Nas don’t got the records jay z still has hits from recent years nas don’t 😂

[@MiNoGanG]

HERES THE THING WHEN YOU COMPARE….. Wayne has put out more QUANTITY THAN ANY OTHER ARTISTS… if you count his years in the game, albums, mixtapes.. it’s just unmatched there is no way. He’s making hits CURRENTLY 😂

[@bundydachosen1]

Quantity in a versuz is 20vs20 everything else is irrelevant

[@servdv]

Jay got 40 notable songs in his sleep easy

[@WEGOTBUCKSENT365]

That’s how u know y’all got Versuz fucked up‼️it’s not abt quantity, it’s QUALITY💯💯💯

[@MiNoGanG]

@@WEGOTBUCKSENT365 we know that. I’m speaking on Wayne having more music than any artists & its been quality since 1996 😂😂 that’s unheard of. The versus should be Album Wayne Vs, Mixtape Wayne 😂

[@MiNoGanG]

Wayne has 40 features that can kill a nigga career 😂 let alone his actual songs

[@MarlonD805]

I think Eminem , Dre and Busta can take Jay Z

[@blakdeth706]

Fans continue to make the mistake of comparing legacy when debating a Verzus. Wayne not gonna play 20 features or 20 mixtape verses. He has a nice mix of everything and 20 songs is enough to make it debatable.

[@corneliusromeo2123]

Joe talking the truth Jay Z library of songs are god tier.

[@rowlandhudson9494]

What's killing me is how everybody is putting other MC's up against Jay but no MC responded to what Jay said.

[@ebeelamar]

That's fact's and I'm still waiting

[@natasha7894]

Coz they all know…. They all heard what he said. They ain’t won’t no smoke… plus…. It would b a bad business move for them aswell.

[@wtcher2060]

Wayne didn’t have to. THE PEOPLE collectively agreed Wayne can box. That’s why he was trending for almost a week. The people determine who won regardless of how u score it.

[@MillieMoBuckz]

FAAAACTS…. and ANYONE wit common fuckin sense knows Future doesn’t stand a fuckin chance anywhere in the world besides ATLANTA!

[@postmastersgt1670]

@@MillieMoBuckz Future need to stay in his lane. Young Thug still havent did a versuz maybe he can go against him.

[@a.i.8583]

Rappers that would smoke Jay Z in Verzuz: Method Man Redman Busta Rhymes Nas Eminem Master P Trick Daddy Mob Deep Jay Z ain't shit.

[@JewelzTV]

Joe completely forgetting Wayne’s greatness

[@wtcher2060]

He ain’t forgetting. A lot of NY dudes ignore it

[@Synchronite]

@@wtcher2060 I ignored Wayne once I heard he had ghostwriters The whole ymb got teams of writers

[@wtcher2060]

@@Synchronite Wayne don’t have ghostwriters bruh. I’m so tired of that weak ass argument when it’s documented by several artists Wayne’s insane recording process. But believe what u want. I’m really tired of NY dudes ridiculous takes on rap

[@Synchronite]

@@wtcher2060 Oh yeah? Explain what happened to Jae Mills n Corey Gunz careers on Young Money? 🤔 😂 Saying u tired of a NY nigga take on rap is like saying u don’t wanna hear somebody from Japan opinion on electronics We gave u the PlayStation nigga U just chatting

[@lazarusjackson1792]

@@wtcher2060 dummy. Joe not even a NYer. Get off our nuts . Why NYC always gotta be in comments. What Joe comments have any the fuck to do with NYC?

[@masonbrik86]

The problem is Wayne isn’t a southern thing, he’s a timeless thing.

[@thefouramigoasuwu6567]

Wayne was in diapers jayz was rapping with biggie not even close

[@Duffyboyzilla]

And jay isn’t is what your saying ?

[@BlueThaBrain]

Bingo

[@ItsJustZeeBTW]

@@thefouramigoasuwu6567 Worldwide, Kanye, Drake and Wayne are waayyyy more recognized than Jay.

[@thefouramigoasuwu6567]

Wayne is more recognized? Lol that’s false maybe drake not Wayne he’s a mixtape artist

[@zacharyhiggins7582]

I feel like a lot of people don't really know wayne catalog he can win just off mixtapes and features

[@faithhouse6111]

I don't disagree but I would like to know your age.

[@mjsmum88]

I feel like you really don’t know J catalog .. from the beginning to now… go listen to his whole catalog.

[@michaelmurray3388]

I guess Eminem is out of the question huh! How quickly we forget.

[@mikelarryy5]

They are sleeping 💤 on Wayne’s catalog. It’s wayy too deep. To say he’s getting smoke in 20 songs is wild. Wayne can pull from too many places. Freestyles/mixtapes, classic albums, features, YM albums. Dude was on back that azz up and is still on current hits. Also he ushered in the two biggest male and female acts in the game. I’m not saying he wins but that’s a hell of a match up.

[@donmacmilly]

Jay-z can pull features that have BIG,Missy,Cam'ron,Alicia Keys, Nas. Lowkey can be petty and pull Juvenile Ha remix when lil wayne was just a background nigga in the hotboys and Juvenile was carrying the label.

[@1YSKG]

@@donmacmilly Say it louder for the niggas in the back lol

[@donmacmilly]

@The Truth No what's overrated is Drake. He gives you the same formula of music every album and also got exposed for ghostwriters and reference tracks. He basically was doing Qutin Miller karaoke. Drake career only exist because he panders to women. Also he becoming a weaker version of Tory Lanez.

[@devs2kwik588]

@@donmacmilly aaaaaaand he’s still beatable

[@2431-q5b]

Only way jay beats wayne is if uses his songs that actually have meaning be the negative about wayne career was he don't rap about nothing but if Jay was to try and get on stage and rap rap wayne Killin that boy

[@Lover-ur4te]

This is another age argument for y’all. Y’all were in the streets when HOV was coming up. HOV was dropping as y’all were growing up. Just like we aged with Drake, with Ye, with Wayne, with Future. AND Y’ALL ARE FROM NEW YORK. Y’all are super biased based on age and location. You can’t call people unimportant in this argument just because they’re younger. Don’t disrespect people’s perspectives.

[@BG33917]

They need somebody from the south to chime in cause they sound crazy to me.

[@oneup199]

I totally agree.

[@dakidobf]

Bro I'm 38 and from NY and I know for a fact Wayne can run with him. Idk what Hov got on these niggas but they're on some groupie shit.

[@THEsoulquarian]

This is how the convo sound when u don't have any west coast and southern niccas in the room

[@mwaithephoto]

I’m from Brooklyn and I don’t Think Jay is untouchable in a verzuz. Even some of the freestyles they played was Mid. Wayne has better freestyles than Jay does on his own beats.

[@tony4534]

I’m sure there are other podcast with west and south niggas. Go listen to those

[@YourFavMusician]

I’m from GA Jay beating EVERYBODY FROM THE WEST AND SOUTH 🤷🏾‍♂️ his only comp is DEAD

[@donpatchey3178]

@@tony4534 nah nigga we listening to this one rt now.. we like this pod so therfore we get the rt to Critic.. fall back lame

[@tony4534]

@@donpatchey3178 This there podcast they don’t gotta put people from the west and south to make you happy. Yall use this inferiority complex excuse for everything

[@briandawsonii4451]

These dudes are not hip hop heads they are mainstream hip hop fans it’s a difference.

[@TedlaEKHAN]

I love this kinda talk. The best debate they've had yet. All mics were strong.

[@shawnbxshopmusic3409]

Pause

[@jakescott9385]

I think people forget Wayne’s insanely big catalog too easily

[@tualob5507]

Joe Budden is still apologising to Jay going into 2022. SMH!

[@sycofya1677]

Oof

[@Silver_79]

Fat Joe was right when he tried to school Charla on Em serving Jay in a verzuz….Wether you think Em is better or not, the Stans aren’t letting him take the L on that stage.

[@KINGJROC1979]

Nas and Busta Rhymes can go against Jayz in a verzuz...Disrespectful...Straight Out Pocket !!

[@tilerlife2593]

I would rather a busta vs Missy .just for live performance, and a legendary verzuz to be made in history

[@jons9218]

Jay couldn't make through illmatic

[@postmastersgt1670]

Nas definitley can go at Jay and have a chance to win not Busta Rhymes.

[@Freshpay]

Agreed. The amount on disrespect in these conversations is clout and sad for the culture. They put Drake over Nas and Busta vs Jay???

[@aaronbrieno8452]

Neither has enough mainstream hits to go against Jay

[@jerraddennis2225]

I’m 33. Paid my tuition and bills in college planning parties. Worked at a night club after for years. Planned events and music festivals in 4 states for years. I have NEVER had a request for Hov. I think he’s the GOAT, LYRICALLY but at a VENUE where people are dancing and having fun etc.. Nobody is gonna want to stop and play “who’s more lyrically gifted ?” the records have to slap and Drake, Wayne, Future, AND Kanye will smoke Hov like a backwood all day and tomorrow. AT A VENUE. At a party. At an event. I still think he’s the Goat but i would never play his music at an event to get people turnt

[@roderickwilliams2641]

This is the same mindset that led to people being surprised when jadakiss got up there did what he did. At the end of the day this is hip hop and like Joe said who really wanna give Jay Z of all people a chance to remind us that at the end of the day You gotta rap. With all that being said Kanye is washing him🤣 Wayne too 🤣

[@jerraddennis2225]

@@roderickwilliams2641 And like ole boy said it heavily depends on where it’s at, the demographic of the crowd and all that. Don’t get me wrong like i said i’m a HUGE Hov fan. But i’ve never played a song of his at a party. And as coo as that moment Kiss had was, i still don’t wanna hear any of his songs.. But i feel you

[@roderickwilliams2641]

@@jerraddennis2225 I agree.

[@BigCuz69]

@Jerrad Dennis I'm 39 and I totally agree with you on your take! 💯💪🏿💯💪🏿💯

[@marselisscott6702]

I think you’re sleeping on some of Hov's hits. If you play anything from watch the throne, or The Blueprint 3 People will be getting hype in the club.

[@conkeyboy2799]

Lil Wayne can stand on that stage Wayne had summer and summer dude’s tripping lol

[@ceasarrushes8197]

Great convo! But to sum it all up, Wayne fans are gonna say Wayne wins & Jay z fans are gonna say Jay wins. This conversation is a run on sentence that never ends because its ALL opinionated and not facts until it happens. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@champchamberlain]

They’re definitely sleeping on Wayne and disrespecting him. Carter 2, Carter 3, Gangsta Grillz, The Drought, No Ceilings. Wayne was taking other rapper’s beats/songs and making them his own. And he was definitely hot out west and in NY too. It would be closer than people think. The light skinned guy on this podcast more times than not has the worst opinions/takes on things.

[@prestonlawrence6364]

Niggas forget that Jay said himself that after Wayne destroyed "Show me what you got" he contemplated retirement

[@BOPTHEGREAT1]

🧢

[@prestonlawrence6364]

@@BOPTHEGREAT1 all facts, do your research

[@iPULLdaTRiGg3R]

Wayne snapped on that track, niggas just don’t know,🤷🏾‍♂️

[@MadeArtCreative]

Wayne also said he the best rapper alive since the best rapper retired...sooo they're even

[@nvm7191]

@@MadeArtCreative and Jay been rapping ever since couldnt even retire in peace lol he thought it was sweet

[@erwinjones433]

Oh and let's not forget about his INFAMOUS rap battle with the 1 and only NAS and we know how that went

[@aa-.-477]

💯

[@Qwalee757]

They talking bout a tidal freestyle. Most people haven’t even heard that. To win a versus battle people have to be able to sing your songs.

[@biggpscompany]

NAS, 50 & WEEZY my top 3 that can get JAY-Z in a 20 HIT FOR HIT. YES U FOOL, THEY CAN GET HOV IN A VERZUZ

[@Gardenstateking]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@bendedstraw4294]

This is so bias. Drake Snoop Eminem DrDre Busta Diddy Kanye 50 will make Jay-Z cry in a corner. This video is proposterous.

[@healthyman101]

People don’t give Nas his proper respect.. he can also beat Hov in a versus battle.. depending on his song list

[@JayHvrt]

Stop it

[@taioslamjam9323]

True but Nas doesn't really give a fuck though

[@Southernplayalistic_96]

Y’all keep sleeping on Nas if y’all want to. Y’all did the same shit back in 2001 and look what happened 😂. I respect Jay and he’s top 3 but Nas is on a dif level

[@JayHvrt]

Not a skill battle.… it’s a battle for who has better records/influenced the culture/cultural moments. Nas doesn’t have any if we being real.. Not saying Nas doesn’t have a pen.. but he isn’t the best song maker from a popular perspective

[@a1enterprise405]

Jigga didn’t lose to Nas with Ether stop being delusional. Ether was funny and jokes. Takeover was serious business

[@ArtisanWindchimes]

@@a1enterprise405 Takeover only had one verse for Nas

[@lynnw2953]

don't let nas get embarrassed on stage playing "real hip hop" songs that only hardcore fans know. y'all gone get him set up. 😂

[@YagirlLia22]

Nas just told them they gon F around and meet Joe Black!!!

[@blackmask89102]

I think it depends on what era you started really listening to rap. Pre 2010 it's not alot to argue about. But after 2010- Kanye, Wayne, Drake have enough now to all be on equal footing.

[@nath8779]

Busta Rhymes gets Hov the fuck outta here on Verzuz.

[@ArtisanWindchimes]

Busta Rhymes would be better off doing a verzuz against Redman, Eminem, Ludacris or Mystikal. That cartoon type rap. And I’m a Busta fan saying this.

[@Jackson23548]

Really think they forgot the amount of CLASSIC features Wayne got. I personally think Wayne don’t even have to touch a mixtape freestyle to compete wit jay. It can go either way to me depending on how they play it

[@bundydachosen1]

20 vs 20

[@madmaxpirate]

I doubt it, but I can see it happening. The Magna Carter Versus

[@carlmac4446]

Bruh stop it

[@GuccVarucc]

Do y'all Kno how many classic features Jay has? Y'all need to learn the history

[@madmaxpirate]

@@GuccVarucc He kicks it off with Mary J. " Can't knock the hustle"

[@KRittz-yy1el]

Why is Eminem never brought up in these conversations

[@noydb8310]

We all know why. Joe hates Eminem

[@KRittz-yy1el]

@@noydb8310 is it really cause of that one lil line on Kamikaze even tho Joe started the shit 😭 that’s pretty petty if it is considering Em tried to do a lot to put him and slaughterhouse on

[@javierhatch2351]

"Why did you run from DMX?!" is the question your scary ass should have ask.