Joel and Drew Get Into a HEATED Tua Tagovailoa Debate

[@donaldhenry5607]

Tua was still winning and had the worst o line last year and a terrible coaching situation. 14-1 in games started and finished going into last season.

[@eugene3484]

And yet zack Wilson doesn’t get the hate Tua gets and Zack has an offense running game snd defense and still plays like shit

[@leeboy7139]

Tuas's been winning since High School. Maybe even since Pop Warner. . And everyone keeps saying, " let's see what happens when he faces an elite defence". But he already did that this year against the Bills. The Bills were on a roll and were crushing evrerybody both offensively and defensively and were doing that to Miami too. But in the fourth quarter, Tua made the plays and Allen didn't. It's like all these commentators forget that.

[@eugene3484]

@@leeboy7139 Patriots have a good defense also. Snd so do the browns and we face them this week. Let’s see what these haters say then.

[@eugene3484]

@@leeboy7139 also pittsburg

[@li_moody0038]

@@leeboy7139 they really didn’t do that to the dolphins, they literally held the ball majority of the game and the dolphins still scored more than them on wayyyy less drives

[@heatfactor57]

Joel’s ego makes for such bad takes. Dude can never be wrong

[@ao513]

He has Tua blinders on, he makes excuses for other QB’s but not Tua. He also pretends a qb doesn’t need a good cast, including coaching, around them to succeed. It’s really mind numbing to listen to.

[@newbassplayer4005]

He's skip 2.0 lol

[@Zt04wh]

I dont even think hos friends like him looks like hes tryna put on a show

[@adriandantedanosos4146]

Skip bayless with the fro

[@amuski3]

Give that Joel a spot on Phil Simms broadcast. They can both go dance with the devil.

[@toa6846]

Tua is the only QB in the NFL who completed 80% of his passes in four or more games, and three of those was without McDaniel and Tyreek, with the worst O Line in NFL history, and a head coach who despises him. Also, of the 6 years Tyreek has been with KC, the most receiving yards he's ever had was 1,479 in 2018. As it stands, Tyreek is at 1,104 receiving yards this 2022 season with Tua at the helm! Give the man some respect!

[@FYRFOX198]

Amen to that…even the stats tryin to tell the haters…🤣🤣🤣

[@toa6846]

@@FYRFOX198 it's ridiculous!

[@jhank0cean]

@@toa6846 Tyreek didn't have a 2000yrd pace in KC because he played next to Travis Kelce. Waddle is good but he isn't as good among other WRs as Kelce is among other TEs

[@toa6846]

@@jhank0cean I disagree! The main question is who's delivering the ball to Tyreek? Even Tyreek said Tua was the most accurate QB! Not the best, and definitely not the strongest or mobile! Bottom Line: QBs ain't $#!+ without a good receiving core and offensive line, and vice versa! Yet, to have all these talking heads constantly moving the goal post on this kid knowing full well that he came off a career ending hip jury, and placed in the worst situation any rookie cold be placed in while still putting up winning numbers is laughable!

[@jhank0cean]

@@toa6846 no it legitimately is the fact Tyreke is by far and away Miami’s best player. In KC there were times where it was questionable if he was even the 3rd best player on the team. And stop with this “moving the goalposts” y’all Miami fans sound exactly the same. The fact is that if anything Tua moved the goalposts himself. We just following them. Tua is better than he was but he’s not the most accurate QB. There’s no numbers that back that up. Just one dude trying to hype up his guy that is clearly not as good as his previous guy. Geno Smith is technically the most accurate QB in the league rn. Then Joe Burrow; who is clearly better than both of those guys.

[@matthewc3959]

So when tua is playing bad situation doesn’t matter and when he is playing good it is only because of the situation? My god give it a rest. The dude saying this probably played backup center on JV in highschool too 😂😂😂

[@tigerscott5929]

Truly. They need to give it up and just give the man his props already. Folks have attempted to use this logic against a ton of QBs. My response to them is “it’s almost as if football is a team game and as if the team that’s surrounding you actually matters”

[@ao513]

Don’t forget you have to pretend every QB better than Tua is just constantly throwing bombs downfield despite that not being the NFL and hasn’t been the NFL for years.

[@smutpeddler5514]

Guard and tackle. Guarded the water and tackled anyone that got close to it

[@Jr-lh3or]

I just went back a few months and watched a video where the dude in the red said the dolphins would have a down year. He is just making every excuse to discredit tua. And then I found out he’s a Jets fan so I chuckled bcuz it all makes sense now 😂

[@juliasranu2255]

And he also said that he ranks his qb based on who played phenomenal and said don't wanna get into details because he knows what the details are

[@youarebeingtrolled6954]

Red dude also says Wiggins still a bust after he won a chip🤣🤣

[@BentleyVB]

😂😂😂😂 - jets fan like Keyshawn hating on Tua .

[@anthonycasper6378]

Of course. Any jets fan hates on fins cuz just like Marino/O'Brien it's now Tua/ Zacky😆😂🤣. Seriously!!! Who drafts a Mormon spoiled brat boy band wannabe. It's gonna be meeeeee!!!!!!

[@David-fq9pp]

You can’t bring up situations and how Herbert is being brought down by his team and then say that Tua is only good because of his system, when his first 2 years he had the worst situation

[@PVMMAC]

dudes talk out of both sides of heir mouths

[@dukebangbang20]

Tua won more games than every quarterback in the 2020 draft especially Herbert

[@FlyingWhales27]

Herbert needs a play caller and a defense

[@chasecurtis8356]

@@FlyingWhales27 and that’s why I’d take tua over Herbert everyday

[@uppertroupe]

@@FlyingWhales27 talking about play caller? Did Staley hire co-offensive coordinators for herbet his rookie year? Remember that defense everyone was saying is going to carry tua, they are ranked 29th and tua is carrying them. Why couldn’t Herbert carry his?

[@FlyingWhales27]

@@uppertroupe I remember Tua being bad with bad OC’s. Herbert’s rookie year was with Lynn, and Herbert has carried his defense. This year though all of the offense is in the hospital. It’s great that Tua is playing well. It’s not my intention to shit on him. Herbert has bad plays but he’s played through a rib injury the same as Tua played through a concussion.

[@uppertroupe]

@@FlyingWhales27 which OCs? Herbert also had allen/William/ekeler his rookie year. He carried his defense? When? What games were you watching? They let Texans get 49pts on them. Tua had a rib injury last year and no one made excuses for him, his line was injured last year, Parker played only 9 games and smythe outplayed gesicki, gaskins was his best rb. But Herbert gets all these excuses? Just stop

[@winstonsanders8252]

Contrary to popular belief even among many other so-called "experts" who should know better, Tua demonstrated his capabilities from the very beginning of his career in Maimi, when behind the worst OL, playing with among the worst RBs corps, and with receivers who had among the worst separation in the league, he was able to garner among the best completion percentages within the narrowest of windows to make his throws. People complain that in his first 2 years, most of Tua's passes were short to intermediate throws, but that is only because he didn't have the time for plays to develop downfield before he had to get rid of the ball. Ironically, when he did have time to throw downfield, he had among the highest completion percentages for the deep pass, which is a testament to how well he was able to perform in the midst of among the worst conditions possible. That's not to mention playing for a defensive minded coach who made it known that he wanted to get rid of him in favor of either Watson or Brady. Virtually any other QB who would have had to play in such conditions would not have been able to achieve what Tua did, and I believe the experience only helped Tua to be able to achieve what he is achieving now in much better conditions, even when there is still plenty of room for improvement with the Dolphin OL.

[@Nickbrenneman7]

Beautifully said. I posted a lot of the same stuff. It’s baffling they give Herbert a pass for his team, but don’t consider the hand that Tua was dealt.

[@David-fq9pp]

You can’t say Herbert had a top 3 offense last year when he had all his weapons healthy and now say that the offense isn’t as good now because everyone is inured then go and say that Tua is only good because of his weapons

[@ivespoken8902]

stop saying facts lol

[@ao513]

No, you don’t understand. That’s you pointing out reality not speaking from the viewpoint of a fictional world you created in your head. That’s when you know your takes are good.

[@coleworld2429]

tua had weapons last year and still looked bad… herbert literally only has ekeler right now and herbert still looks fine. theres a difference

[@ao513]

@@coleworld2429 name the weapons, he had games with Mack Hollins as his WR1 and Myles Gaskin as RB1. You’re just lying.

[@David-fq9pp]

@@coleworld2429 Tua only had waddle last year and looked better than Herbert does this year. Herbert’s stats this year are the same as Tua’s stats his rookie year where he was throwing to guys who aren’t even in the league anymore and he only played in 9 games look it up.

[@chucknorris2266]

Tua is ballin. McDaniel unlocked Tua's true potential. I see the Dolphins going undefeated the rest of the way

[@grantyeager]

Tua is HIM. Everyone praying on his downfall.

[@FYRFOX198]

Yup, TUA IS HIM…!!!

[@Lilfrenchtoast]

Lol

[@ClickClan100]

@@Lilfrenchtoast- Andy Dalton fan

[@Lilfrenchtoast]

@@ClickClan100 lol

[@ClickClan100]

@@Lilfrenchtoast 3-6

[@pjvaifale8288]

Situation matters 😂 I never understand how people don't cringe about how stupid their takes are. Surely they rewatch this prior to posting.

[@MoseAUS]

This segment was actually 50mins long so they've trimmed it by alot 😂😂

[@allabouttheu2182]

I would tear Joel apart debating him on Tua Lmaoo

[@wiiwanna]

14-1 in his last 15 finish. No other qb in the nfl has that kind of record. Without Tua Mia would not have traded to get hill or chubb. Mia had that much confidence in Tua that they trades away first round draft picks.

[@FYRFOX198]

Those trades sealed Tua to the Phins for the future. 😊👍

[@bhasegod5015]

Now its the WEAPONS not how tua is getting them the ball. Holy shit the casuals

[@fireestyle]

i think tho both sides were right. McDaniels system and the weapons around him have been huge for Tua but Tua has also been playing really well. We’re so used to top QB prospects playing for shitty situations that we forget the goal is to build an ideal situation for your QB

[@fireestyle]

@@pacman06100 i mean that’s essentially any QB in a bad situation though lol. For example look at what Justin Fields situation is in CHI or Herbert with the injuries. I personally think Tua gets overhated maybe because of Bama but there’s nothing wrong with acknowledging that while the scheme and WRs around him have been absurd, he’s been the maestro that’s made it all work. 6-0 vs 0-3 shows me a lot regardless

[@adonay2800]

Im not even a dolphins fan but i hope tua exceeds all expectations just to see joels reaction

[@Twenty_Four_7]

when you have to use "what if's" to make your argument when faced with actual data,...lol

[@paulroland5053]

Tua was winning games when his receivers had least separation avg in the league. He had a coach who doubted him and zero run game. Makes sense that he would take a leap with an improved situation, but he went from modest stats in a bad situation to elite stats in a good situation and gets no credit

[@julessantana643]

Arm strength is merely one aspect of quaterbacking. Jay Cutler and JaMarcus Russell had cannons for arms and were not good. Guys like Brees and Young didn't have the strongest arms and were all time greats. Tua's special traits are his quick reads both pre snap and post snap, his ability to manipulate defenses with his eyes, his pocket presence, his ability to stay calm at the most critical moments of a game. His arm strength isn't great but everything else is.

[@Lewiswinston22]

Nobody even had Tyreek as the best in the game until this year lol. I thought Adams was the best in the game. And as far as the most important player on the dolphins it’s easily Tua. 6-0 with him 0-3 without him. Tyreek gone always get his but it don’t equal wins. That’s why Tua is the most valuable player for the dolphins.

[@sergiomedina7960]

Who was saying Tyreke was the best WR in the league last season..... NOBODY!!! Now he's on a record smashing pace and Tua gets no credit?

[@CHIEFINSIDOUS]

Remember when they said Tua would be holding this offense back? Geez It’s okay to admit you’re wrong.

[@donaldhenry5607]

Bro the scheme and weapons doesn't just give you the highest ever passer rating on 3rd down. Tua knows how to win and is clutch

[@yehnah2680]

The guy in red should only talk about snacks

[@frankjlux8623]

😂😂😂😂 facts on snacks he would be so spot on with that talk 😂😂😂😂

[@daygodemolitionunit5873]

Food channel commentator that big dummy in red

[@kerrykempink4793]

Joel's a jets fan lol. Of course he hates on tua

[@jasoncox9883]

Another factor everybody keeps missing is they are six wins zero losses with him in zero wins and three losses without him so if it’s just the coach or just the receivers, why the hell did they lose three games in a row without their starting quarterback?

[@UnitedStatesOfBrown]

FACTS

[@airyeel7412]

Y’all should make a heated debate playlist

[@HiTechHead]

Why everyone forget that Tua was the guy before his hip injury. He had everything you would ask for in a Quarterback at that time. His injury made him look bad, he almost 100 percent and this was first year of him trying to prepare for the season.

[@gggg-ob8gf]

Tua last season was in the worse situation than Herbert or Burrow has ever been. O-line ranked last in nearly every metric, receivers created the least seperation of all the teams in the league AND Miami had no solid RB core. No one gave Tua a pass even though this is known and it was clear the coach was trying to replace him

[@jjames130xPS3xCOD]

yup worst OL in the history of the league statistically proven, and keep in mind he still won 10 games and had the fastest release in the league. Tua has always been better than Herbert and Burrow, injuries were the only concern

[@jasoncox9883]

I love the Tua hate! I’ve been screen recording this stuff so when he wins and everyone back tracks I’ll have the receipts

[@whosneekoh]

When Tua goes down they can't win a single game, but yeah it's definitely the receivers that are the only crucial part to this offense. What a joke

[@pedrohernandez1405]

3 people here don't know football

[@shmayleb]

We have to admire Joel’s commitment to acting the fool

[@13B.D]

Tua hate is disgusting i feel for the guy talking to a brick wall

[@richardmajor25]

Drew always sounds like he’s whining 🫤

[@LA.Black.]

Tua is driving them crazy 😂

[@jhenrynj]

Drew saying ekeler has been the offense over herbert is the first time I’ve ever seen him completely miss on a take

[@jjames130xPS3xCOD]

Eckler has been their offense I haave both Herbert and Eckler in fantasy, benched herbert for Tua

[@ao513]

The portly guy laughs at something he thinks is a bad point meanwhile he just spews garbage takes repeatedly. You can’t argue with someone so narcissistic.

[@justintarantino8351]

How did Teddy and Skylar do with the same talent... Tua is the guy

[@Coach.AJ_FL]

It’s McDaniel than the weapons than Tua… but they’re 0-3 with McDaniel the weapons and no Tua 🤔

[@aprilchavez6957]

Mannnnnnnn The hate and disrespect on Tua is unreal!!!!!

[@jasonwintermyer8566]

The funny thing is all these quarterbacks would immediately thank their fellow players for their success. Teams should only be evaluated as a total unit.

[@malixx___2851]

All the memes that were made about tua not fully utilizing his weapons c'mon now...give him some credit

[@albertcabezas3423]

They say Tyreek is the reason the Dolphins look good ask them how many games did Tyreek win without Tua this year

[@kylemorantheinsuranceman5779]

Hey guys remember that the O-line is still bottom 10. Maybe bottom 5 in pass pro. Tua makes quick decisions and gets the ball out quick and accurately. There are not a lot of QBs that can do what Tua is doing. Stop fighting it gentlemen he’s a franchise QB.

[@TheForFunShow]

Joel is so bad at football takes man. Jets fans are so delusional.

[@cruman87]

6:07 CAP. People were saying Teddy Bridgewater was gonna come in and take the job if not before the season then sometime during the season.

[@peteloduffy7499]

Everyone of those QB have elite receivers, yet only one got 2 of them on the top 5 in receiving yards. One might break 2000 yards this season while the 2nd is about to break 1500 .

[@louispeters152]

Tua is a baller!! Now they mad...

[@Str8smokin305]

One thing I learned a long time ago is haters gonna hate.

[@Lolofor_life]

At this point if Tua don’t win the super bowl he won’t even be thought about as a above average quarterback not even good no matter what and that’s sad because people are really moving the goalposts for Tua every week and that’s wild to me……

[@David-fq9pp]

Even if he wins a Super Bowl they wont give him credit, it'll be can he win another one or do they need a new QB so they can win multiple

[@bjmccray5182]

Dude the goalpost moving is crazy OMG

[@bjmccray5182]

Pls get me on this podcast I just have sun facts lemme get 20 min

[@dariuswilliams3206]

Got the goalpost doing the cha-cha slide.

[@MRi75SOUTH]

Guy in the red clearly doesn't know systems 🤣

[@MRi75SOUTH]

He clearly is not seeing how Tua is THROWING guys open

[@saulataani5861]

Joel is a wish version of Colin Cowherd

[@mrsullivan1709]

Joel obviously doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Hill himself has said on multiple occasions that Tua is the most accurate QB in the league and Tua has the stats to back him up.

[@GloriousAP]

Why does Tua have to be among the top 5 or a bust? He's playing great and is helping the Dolphins win. If he gets them into the playoffs and get a win, then this convo should held. Let the man do his thing first.

[@brianmcfadden5552]

How soon we forget Herbert has played with Keenan Allen and Mike Williams. Yea they are banged up now….. but we give Herbert so much credit for his first two years but completely ignore those two weapons.

[@GG-zy1eh]

Idk who has the worst sports takes Joel or Skip Bayless 😂 they just be saying anything

[@justn4338]

The offense wasn’t built for Tua? Then why couldn’t Teddy get a win and Tua is 6-0?

[@sgtmiguel007]

Lamar couldn’t play in this offense. Herbert couldn’t play in this offense. Burrow couldn’t play in this offense. This offense is predicated on getting the ball out fast. You guys no nothing about football.

[@kylemorantheinsuranceman5779]

Are you saying Tua had the same weapons Herbert had the first 2 years? C’mon man.. joke! Plus Herbert had a run game his whole career so far!

[@tanielumatautia1262]

Now they want to every QB in this Offense

[@RenzaissanceTV]

All I gotta say is in every season the best QB has always been #1 in QBR, Dude keep saying its the weapons around him, but Teddy and skylar ain’t did shit with them, Did we forget that mahomes had both hill and Kelce when he got there, Herbert had Williams and Allen, People forget Tua is one of the fewest rookie qb’s, to throw for 10 TD’s and 0 INT’s, and one of the fewest nfl players to have back to back 80+% games, People forget his amazing stretch of games when Dolphins went on that 7 game win streak last year, Tua had 8 TD’s and 3 INT’s on a passing % of 75% and higher, Had Tua played 17 games his 2nd year he’d easily put up 20+ TD’s and 3,000+ yards

[@danieldorsey5662]

Herbert is over rated, he was drafted into a great situation with being surrounded with weapons and yet league the league with 4th quarter ints and most ints returned for a touchdown. Tua on the other has done nothing but win.

[@plutoniumcore]

The year San Fran went to the superbowl they had a KILLER defense.

[@ao513]

Tua’s team in 20/21 wasn’t holding him back?

[@lemz2757]

So if aaron rodgers first season was this year? does that make him elite? QB’s need weapons to succeed! They need a Good system to succeed!

[@dolphinfan1493]

TUA BEST 3rd down passer rating in history right now

[@humblewarrior4648]

Here’s my take: the last two seasons for Tua the scheme and playmakers around him were no level of what is finally on the team. Waddle came last season but before that it was just Gesicki. His running game is still non-existent. Now they have added Armstead to help this line and they found a gem in Shell…. I like the way the offense looks and I give Tua just as much credit as I give Hill. That combination has taken the league by storm and when u add Waddle, Gesicki, Wilson, Mostert, Sheffield, and others this offense is by far one of the most dangerous. Not to mention Tua is taken a huge step this season especially at the midway point.

[@landedmallard5118]

You should make this a weekly series

[@Ahbustae86]

Tua was in the worst situation his first two years. Put Herbert and Burrow in Tua’s situation in the first two years and we would be questioning Herbert and Burrow. Tua will ball.

[@chrisike6273]

Just a Herbert can't be in another stratosphere when he throws late game interceptions for pick sixes and can't win you a game on his own when the offense isn't working Tua doesn't do that he does the opposite plain and simple

[@mig2r]

Its crazy cause everytime tua proves hes that guy theres always something to say, he leads the league in important statistical caterogires like QBR and passer rating, like wht more do you want him to do to prove it?

[@louispeters152]

You can win with Tua more than you can win Herbert. Look at their records.

[@joecommentator8534]

Tua just keeps winning

[@lamarbennett436]

They can't give that man his respect. If you take Tyreek out and insert any other top 6 WR Tua's numbers would still be the same. The offense may not be as explosive but it would still be potent. GIVE THAT MAN HIS FLOWERS

[@renanlucas8]

I LOVE HEATED DEBATES!

[@CSpad]

95% of all passes are within 25 yards of thr line of scrimmage. No, Tua doesn't have a Cannon arm like a Mahomes or Allen, but it doesn't matter. Even on the undedthrown balls, have mostly been caught or draws a pass interference. If any other qb were putting up his #'s & ranked #1 in so many of the most important statistical categories you all would be giving praising that QB, and not giving credit to everyone but him. Just as a sports fan how can you not appreciate what this kid is doing, after all the negativity surrounding him from the haters in msm sports shows, the debacle of the Flores & Ross situation,,the distractions around his concussion, Yet, he still carries his head high & continues to prove doubters wrong.

[@jrlaboy892]

Time will prove Tua right

[@chrisv.6279]

" situation matters". Seems he forgot about Tua's situation for his first 2 years.

[@rayzulu2484]

Haters always gonna hate no matter what he does they always find a excuse.

[@jaxenwages1340]

Red polo shirt an average football fan fr

[@thatdolphinsrealtor]

Miami is a quarterbacks nightmare because you have to be otherworldly quick witted and accurate…

[@thatdolphinsrealtor]

Look at Tuas Adot compared to Jimmy G. Jesus man 😂

[@throwthe9route92]

Ekeler deserves the same love as McCaffrey by the media, and not only the fantasy circles.

[@trueraysfan11]

The guy in the red just tried to talk over people as soon as they start making a valid point. It’s so annoying.

[@be643]

All you wish for is Tua haters to admit that nothing he does will change their mind about him. They will just create another excuse.

[@lemz2757]

so mahomes had tyreek and the best T.E plus one of the best coaches? why arent we bashing him? Tua’s balling right now

[@nonamephinsyt]

Y'all realize that Cincy won that game against KC purely on the back of their defense almost completely shutting out KC in the second half.

[@user-qh7rj9wj4p]

Asking your qb to do everything for you , including doing sweeps to try & get 2 yards for a 1st down is NOT a well run offense. Josh Allen & lamar smith

[@hawaiiantime6596]

Let me know when Herbert wins a playoff game... Or qualify for the playoffs.

[@FYRFOX198]

Bridgewater and Skylar had their shot…combined 0-3 with the same system…how strange…TUA IS HIM…😎👍🇺🇸

[@jinxzter]

Joel is another Tua hater.

[@0ffWhte7]

Lamar it’s not a pocket passer bro 😂😂😂

[@Nickbrenneman7]

Can’t blame Herbert because the Chargers are failing him? Why isn’t there the same energy for Tua? He was 13-8 in his first two seasons despite having a HISTORICALLY bad oline, wide receivers with the least amount of separation, no consistent running game, and a coach who didn’t believe in him. Yes Herbert would ball on this Dolphins squad. He also would’ve fallen flat on his face with the hand Tua was dealt.

[@rayzulu2484]

By the way Justin Herbert has the most pick 6 in 4qtr among all Q.B he'd lost close game throwing pick 6 he is always been the same Q.B ever since collage.

[@taylorgoldstone-perez34]

The Tua hate is real. I use to think he wasn’t the guy but when you surround a QB with a coach that wants you to succeed and talent he’s shown he’s that guy from Bama. Y’all will eventually come around like I did

[@pa-zx5ct]

even if dolphins were undefeated at this time or win a playoff game, people would still be putting tua down. unbelievable!

[@trich103]

Ppl don't understand tyreek amd waddle are open bc of Tua's anticipation and eye manipulation. Tua makes it look easy bc he possess qualities that Mahomes don't, hence the reason Reek will get 2k

[@TuffMcAwesome]

Joel rating real world capability based on "what if" scenario only makes sense if he isn't also completely ignoring what actually is happening (the stats). Living in a fantasy world.