The Secret to High Detailed Photography

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Joel Grimes Photography

Joel Grimes Photography

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Understanding Bit Depth for Photographers may not be the most exciting topic to cover.
It could still change how you look at processing your images, giving you a much greater quality in the final results.
When my students ask me about bit depth this always comes up, “If we view our images in 8 bit, why do we need to start in a higher bit like 14, 16, or even 32 bit”?
Follow me and see why I process my images in 32 bit, how to do this, and what difference that makes to our final results
As I always say, “The proof is in the pudding.”

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@samuellaldintluanga7135
@samuellaldintluanga7135 3 жыл бұрын
I just discovered the most amazing, underrated channel on KZbin!!!
@bardlardstudios7035
@bardlardstudios7035 3 жыл бұрын
This man here has been the greatest influence on my art and workflow. I owe so much to him.
@speakstheobvious5769
@speakstheobvious5769 3 жыл бұрын
Even more amazing is that he is color blind.
@BjarteKFrnsdal
@BjarteKFrnsdal 3 жыл бұрын
Same herre!
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Thanks for watching
@MikelangeloPhoto
@MikelangeloPhoto 3 жыл бұрын
I "knew" about bit depth and dynamic range.. but your examples showing with and without high bit depth... THAT was an eye opener to me!! thank you!!
@salvatoresilvanoemmi86
@salvatoresilvanoemmi86 3 жыл бұрын
At 76 I am learning digital photography and discovered bit depth today. Many thanks for your video and for your ten steps e-book!
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Thanks for watching
@usernamehandle
@usernamehandle 2 жыл бұрын
This unlocked something in my brain for me. Thanks Joel! Another master to watch and learn from
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you!
@jeffreykaiserphoto
@jeffreykaiserphoto 2 жыл бұрын
I watched this video to the end and checked my Ps and LrC settings. Sure enough, they had defaulted to 8 bit just like Joel said they would. Thanks Joel! You saved me a world of headaches.
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
you are so welcome Jeff!
@dutchaus5813
@dutchaus5813 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the informative video! Part of this process is to have a computer and monitor that supports 10 bit per channel colour output, and wide colour gamet. Not all monitors are created equal. You need a graphics card that supports 10 bit output over display port. And a monitor that can output nearly 100% or at least 97% Adobe RGB - Eizo, Dell, NEC and Ben Q all have options. No monitor, from the last time I researched can output ProPhoto RGB colour space. A classic example of this as you said is “ pushing” greys or skies too much and producing banding (loosing file information). This can be clearly seen on this type of system. I too agree, forgetting to reset Photoshop working colour space after an update has caught me a few times also.
@barrytaylor3097
@barrytaylor3097 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your informative videos Joel. Your techniques have got me excited again as I was looking for something new to try, and you did just that. Been a photographer for 60 years now so this is great knowledge you are sharing. Subscribed and looking forward to viewing your collection of videos. Cheers from Australia.
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Barry!
@Auroralover9797
@Auroralover9797 2 ай бұрын
Thank you. I had no idea about bit depth.
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 ай бұрын
@@Auroralover9797 you are welcome 😊
@daleschmitt4913
@daleschmitt4913 3 жыл бұрын
Congratulations to all. Amazing images.
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Thanks for watching
@gr33nDestiny
@gr33nDestiny 3 жыл бұрын
I turned off compressed RAW on my Sony A7r4 because with compression on it only gives you 12bit instead of 14bit. There goes my file space 😂 I didn’t factor that in when buying a 61 megapixel camera, I thought I would just used compressed RAW. I wanted to see how you explains this, you did a good job 👍
@Lesterandsons
@Lesterandsons Жыл бұрын
Excellent video and beautifully images. The way I see it is that the key is exposure. Each time you overexpose each time you make low values come out of the noise. Each time you under expose each time you allow high values to come under saturation. Though having 18 or more stops-dynamic range and compressing it in 8 bits is a pity given our monitors and prints outputs 😕
@pauldunphy8790
@pauldunphy8790 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. Very educational and practical. I just did my first B&W HDR and I’m really happy with the dynamic range but especially with the smooth gradation of greys in the sky.
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Thanks for watching
@robertoragozzino670
@robertoragozzino670 2 жыл бұрын
Perfect, the best instruction. Grateful!
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@ndoil515
@ndoil515 3 жыл бұрын
I think I'd locally adjust the exposure on those trees and sky in the right top corner of the Tahoe pic. The shadow lift you did is a bit apparent. Though no one but photographers would notice.
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
thanks for the feedback!
@hurleygreen927
@hurleygreen927 3 жыл бұрын
GREAT TUTORIAL! I never knew about bit depth, etc. Thanks!
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Thanks for watching
@rgarlinyc
@rgarlinyc 3 жыл бұрын
Gorgeous photographs! Plus great tips - thanks a lot JG! Roger
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Roger. Very much appreciated
@kshgarg147
@kshgarg147 3 ай бұрын
Great video. One question. There are two options in 16 bit when you import the pictures in camera raw - sRGB 16bit and Adobe RGB 1998 16 bit. I have been using sRGB 16 bit. Do I lose out on these shades of grey if I don't use Adobe RGB?
@alantuttphotography
@alantuttphotography 3 жыл бұрын
Great points here. One minor detail, though. 32 bits yield over 4 Billion values per channel, far more than "just" 16 million.
@gerhardjoos8965
@gerhardjoos8965 3 жыл бұрын
well spotted. And as you have 3 channels it is not times 3 as stated it is to the power of 3. With 32bit in 3 channels it therefore leads to incredible 4.722.366.482.869.645.213.696 colour values or 4,72e21 possible colours in total.
@380stroker
@380stroker 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah,that whole 16 million thing is for 24 bit.
@GordonBurnsVideo
@GordonBurnsVideo 3 жыл бұрын
Helpful. But I don't see the video he mentions showing how he edits in 32bit.
@BrunoKongawoin055
@BrunoKongawoin055 3 жыл бұрын
Try watching any of Joel's video "Start To Finish". You will see how he converts the captures to 32bit file.
@blackice5649
@blackice5649 3 жыл бұрын
@@BrunoKongawoin055 - Hi Bruno - can you post a link to a specific video?
@PanzerIV88
@PanzerIV88 2 жыл бұрын
Thats the same thing I've though. Nice but I've watched 23min and still don't know how to do it lol -_- A link to that other video would be appreciated.
@Affixx
@Affixx 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@mikejoyner3051
@mikejoyner3051 3 жыл бұрын
Bit depth is a misleading number and is only useful for calling out settings. The LSB directly from the sensor is invalid data and the most you get is stated bit depth-1 in stacked HDR schemes it can be bit depth-2 depending on how the data is processed.
@fightlikabrave
@fightlikabrave 3 жыл бұрын
Where was your vid that showed how you used a grey backdrop with blend modes to change background. I mean I already know a little about using overlay with grey, but I think you can even use blend ifs to refine. I just wanted to rewatch that segment of yours to refresh memory on your method.
@hugog.guzman2700
@hugog.guzman2700 3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff Joel, Thank you.
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Thanks for watching
@StevenSampsonMedia
@StevenSampsonMedia 3 жыл бұрын
a tutorial on how to exposure back with flash....and how to exposure bracket with iso quickly.
@StevenSampsonMedia
@StevenSampsonMedia 3 жыл бұрын
sorry if that's a paid course nvm
@settlerr2634
@settlerr2634 3 жыл бұрын
I am not sure I got all the knowledge you have introduced in this film. I just feel this is something very in depth. I hope you can talk more practical, such as how to process HDR camera raw file in 32 bit (with HDR). Thank you for the show. It at least gave me something to dig more.
@yosemite-tv
@yosemite-tv 3 жыл бұрын
Who prints in 16 or 32 bit? I can’t find anyone
@tommynikon2283
@tommynikon2283 3 жыл бұрын
Whoa, wait a damn minute here.....you mean that Ken Doesn't Rockwell commanding the masses to shoot in BASIC Jpg....is wrong? DAMN straight! I've been shooting RAW since the early days.....because the Quality is so much better. And Ken?; well, he still shoots a shitload of neon signs and palm trees- but not much else. And he still loves that Kodachrome 64, -2/3stop look. From 40+ years ago.
@07wrxtr1
@07wrxtr1 3 жыл бұрын
I think he now regrets that one...
@fernandareyna8790
@fernandareyna8790 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Great video!
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Thanks for watching
@AlGreenLightThroughGlass
@AlGreenLightThroughGlass 3 жыл бұрын
I know my old Pentax 645D MF 14 bit falls apart editing in anything less than uncompressed raw with software set at 16 bit depth. Detail is stunning if edited in that format. Weirdly my Fuji X-T2 8 bit jpeg files can take a hammering in editing without too much apparent degradation as long as I save as TIFF in the first edit. Maybe Fuji's magic recipe's at work.
@slickhatter9812
@slickhatter9812 3 жыл бұрын
🧐
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 3 жыл бұрын
Jpg format is an amazing invention, but you really don't have any true detail in the shadows. Do at test with an 8, 14 and 32 bit file, and you will become a believer.
@AlGreenLightThroughGlass
@AlGreenLightThroughGlass 3 жыл бұрын
@@joelgrimes Will do Joel
@thebendu33
@thebendu33 Жыл бұрын
How could I get images like this with a film camera?
@carlwarrenphoto
@carlwarrenphoto 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you information to use in my work flow
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Thanks for watching
@vgfjr505
@vgfjr505 2 жыл бұрын
I noticed there is a shiny quality to the edges or surface transitions in the 32 bit images. I am trying to understand where that effect comes from when you use this technique. It almost feels it’s over the surface gradients.
@benjones8977
@benjones8977 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting, but I don’t use Photoshop anymore since Version 3. I went to Lightroom and then finally now at capture one.
@crosscolin
@crosscolin 3 жыл бұрын
That's like saying, " I don't use cups anymore, because I have a bowl."
@benjones8977
@benjones8977 3 жыл бұрын
@@crosscolin No, it’s just that it’s more important for me to get the work out then to aim for perfection! I used to obsess about everything and realized you’re not getting much done.
@fightlikabrave
@fightlikabrave 3 жыл бұрын
Ok....
@TheBurzhuy
@TheBurzhuy 3 жыл бұрын
1) Bit depth chart is incorrect. 8 bit color gives you 16 millions colors overall and by your chart is it only 12 thousands. You need to multiply 256*256*256, not 256x3. 2) I assume that Joel is "do it in post" guy. What is wrong with filters? Landscape photographers use them to fit dramatic light difference in a scene. 3) If printers and paper could print at least 14 bits of color per channel you wouldn't need to process the image. I'd like to see the results of printing 16 bit color image without processing. if you're right It should show the info as it was in the file. All the info and a lot of gradients in shadows and highlights which we don't see on our at most 10bit monitors should pop magically. 4) You clearly doesn't understand that the grain "magically" disappeared on the "32bit" is not because of 32 bit color, it because of image stacking. It is well-known technique to reduce image noise in the sky for example. Noise appears because imperfections of each pixel on camera and some other things and it is kind of random so there will be noise in every image, even in a 32 bit raw image if such existed. Stacking Math averages pixel colors and due to randomness of noise it disappears buy smoothing. Average of (4, 4, 4) equals 4, as well as (3, 4, 5), here 3 and 5 are considered to be "noisy" values, but averaging "smoothes" them, the more images you stack the much accurate results you get. Such a rude misunderstanding of how it works. Or if you do understand that so why you sell us 32-bit in such a weird way by replacing one thing by another?
@michiuno2238
@michiuno2238 3 жыл бұрын
And there is more: 32 bit gives you 4.3 billion colors per channel. 16.7 million per channel you get with 24 bit. Total colors 4.3 billion * 4.3 billion * 4.3 billion.
@brodriguez11000
@brodriguez11000 3 жыл бұрын
@@michiuno2238 : The eye is the limitation.
@LarsLarsen77
@LarsLarsen77 3 жыл бұрын
@@brodriguez11000 For the purpose of tone mapping the image, human vision doens't matter. These bits are for the computer, not your eye. You would know that if he explained it properly, but he didn't.
@fun1k
@fun1k 3 жыл бұрын
So Joel is just another bullshitter 😂
@gold333
@gold333 3 жыл бұрын
This post, and the 4 replies, are the perfect, perfect example to illustrate what Joel has always said. "Think like a technician, get a technician's salary. Think like an artist, ask anything you want." A technician (whose mind is filled with data) will not understand that sentence.
@justyjust
@justyjust 3 жыл бұрын
What cameras shoot 32bit??
@Ozone280
@Ozone280 3 жыл бұрын
Try using Filters on Photoshop with a 16 bit image. Most Filters aren't available.
@mfuller1093
@mfuller1093 3 жыл бұрын
@ Joel This bit depth info is wrong you said '' unless you have a super high end mefium format camera the standard is 14 bit'' My Olympus em1 is 16 bit and neither medium format or ''super high end'' and its 6 years old. Also who the hell would just shoot crappy compressed jpegs when they can shoot big fat juicy raws ???
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
Good to know, thanks!
@xodius80
@xodius80 3 жыл бұрын
nice video a litttle reduntat info about bitdepth but i like the enthusiasm
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
It's definitely a niche subject but something I'm fascinated by
@Lucky-ui7dh
@Lucky-ui7dh 2 жыл бұрын
Beginner here. So why wouldn't you shoot everything in 32 bit? The huge file size?
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes it's just not necessary. Unless you want to blow something up to a big size, or you are working on a super high contrast black and white
@davidwoolsey2300
@davidwoolsey2300 3 жыл бұрын
Well Done! Ya got a new subscriber.
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Thanks for watching
@DigitalImageStudio
@DigitalImageStudio 3 жыл бұрын
Bracketing ISO? If the shutter and aperture value stays the same the infomation that the sensor collects is the same.
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 3 жыл бұрын
I have done just about every test out there regarding HDR. All I know is bracketing my ISO works. I get a true under, normal and over exposed files.
@DigitalImageStudio
@DigitalImageStudio 3 жыл бұрын
@@joelgrimes I've tested many HDR options too, I shoot a lot of HDR panos, you may perceive some advantage due to averaging of the composite frames but in essence it won't provide the advantage that actually varying the EV does between source frames.
@youms108
@youms108 3 жыл бұрын
@@joelgrimes could you please share which ISO value represents under, normal and over exposed? Never heard of ISO bracketing before.
@380stroker
@380stroker 3 жыл бұрын
If you bracket the ISO what you are doing is adjusting your analog to digital converter's "gain". The more gain, the more noise. Just like music recording. Just trying to put things into perspective. Many modern cameras have good analog to digital converters which work well when the gain (iso) is pushed so that noise is virtually non existent.
@joshuagharis9017
@joshuagharis9017 3 жыл бұрын
So for high dynamic pics, exposure blend, right?
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
For me, yes. It gives the most control
@ArnoldRossa
@ArnoldRossa 3 жыл бұрын
Love ya Joel
@BobSmith-eh2hp
@BobSmith-eh2hp 3 жыл бұрын
At 14:00 he indicates that he occasionally does portraits in HDR. Wouldn't the models move a little bit between each exposure creating a less sharp image ?
@darkroom8317
@darkroom8317 3 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly... I would like to see the shoot done in person, then see him edit the HDR shots so I can wrap my head around the whole process!
@380stroker
@380stroker 3 жыл бұрын
Um, there's something called Psuedo HDR. Look it up and it will answer your question.
@BobSmith-eh2hp
@BobSmith-eh2hp 3 жыл бұрын
@@380stroker Fascinating, thank you for taking the time to reply. I found a nice article that explained it well. I appreciate your insight. www.photopathway.com/what-is-pseudo-hdr-image/
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I have many courses on this. A bit of masking and moving is needed. But, I do it in almost all my work
@grimmsshenanigansproductions
@grimmsshenanigansproductions 2 жыл бұрын
Man super interesting
@SR-sg7qk
@SR-sg7qk 3 жыл бұрын
I'm new to this info. But can I adjust my computer screen? I dont think I'm getting enough color to match what I seen in reality of what my eyes seen.
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 3 жыл бұрын
Again, it's not your viewing experience that HDR is all about, it the ability to pull detail out of the shadows and highlights.
@mopunchstudio9289
@mopunchstudio9289 3 жыл бұрын
Joel are you using the 5DSR for capture or the new R5?
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 3 жыл бұрын
I am now all in with the R5.
@mopunchstudio9289
@mopunchstudio9289 3 жыл бұрын
@@joelgrimes that's awesome. Are you replacing EF with RF? I'm still using an adapter and the EF lenses for now.
@krzysztofdrozd6971
@krzysztofdrozd6971 3 жыл бұрын
You say 'set your Ps, Lr, Br to 16 bit Adobe RGB', but isn't Lr importing in whatever camera has captured?
@380stroker
@380stroker 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, but he's talking about working space. In PS its either 8, or 16 bit. Your camera takes 14 bit, but will work in a 16 bit environment in ps.
@wsround
@wsround 3 жыл бұрын
On my photo editor I have 16 and 32 bit integer and floating point which should I use?
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 3 жыл бұрын
I would do a side by side test and see which one works best for you.
@dainiusbankauskas2444
@dainiusbankauskas2444 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Thanks for watching
@Drrezzin
@Drrezzin 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video! The only thing is, about half the video, you're just a talking head, no images and no real explanation of HDR and how to set that up in Photoshop. Do you offer any videos about shooting for HDR and setting those up in Photoshop? You also didn't show how to set up Photoshop step by step on the bit depth. I almost turned off the video when I didn't see any images, but decided to give it a chance. Still lacking in some info.
@gianniawiequaunegv2016
@gianniawiequaunegv2016 3 жыл бұрын
How do you shoot a 32 bit portrait with a flash? Thank you.
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
The same techniques apply!
@dkchannel7602
@dkchannel7602 3 жыл бұрын
How to check the current bit info of the image?
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 3 жыл бұрын
In Photoshop it is under, Image/Mode.
@Rene-cm6go
@Rene-cm6go 3 жыл бұрын
Please help.. I was in lightroom changed from 8 to 16 bits. and that was only for the tiff file or psd. what happens when I export photo after editing?
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 3 жыл бұрын
A jpg will also save as 8 bit. If you want to preserve you bit depth you have to save in a tiff or psd.
@Rene-cm6go
@Rene-cm6go 3 жыл бұрын
@@joelgrimes Thank you for the answer.
@theboofin
@theboofin Жыл бұрын
Wow, I thought this would be basic info for most image makers...
@sosomelodies659
@sosomelodies659 3 жыл бұрын
forget about bit depth. this video has way too much shallow depth of field it hurts my eyes.
@CarmineGroe
@CarmineGroe 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the presentation Joel! Important information for maximizing the technical quality of digital capture. The sRGB colour space has a "reduced colour gamut" compared to Adobe RGB or ProPhoto RGB, as you mention. Important for all to know: colour information is compressed and lost or thrown away, not only by the bit depth option but also by the colour space selection when generating an image from a Camera RAW file (14bit or true 16bit MF capture ). sRGB is best for digital presentation; monitors, the web etc. Adobe or ProPhoto RGB is best for print purposes. With my 25+ years of pre-press and imaging experience, I've learned a couple things about maximizing images and processing and was fortunate enough to study under Dan Margulis, the ultimate master of colour and imaging quality who I'm sure you're familiar with :)
@drte.alisson
@drte.alisson 3 жыл бұрын
tks to explanation shared! I had thinking about if sRGB or Adobe RGB is the best colour space to use when I was watching another tutorial about it.
@stevepower9570
@stevepower9570 3 жыл бұрын
joel, good stuff, i have shot hdr for more than ten years and like you nearly all that i do is hdr or suedo hdr. yes, hdr has been given a bad wrap until the viewer sees the light, and the light is the bit depth, and the detail in the shadows. great topic, StevePower
@bmwcar335
@bmwcar335 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your video first time at your channel. You mentioned you have video how to process 32 bit from how to take 32 bit photos. would you please share that video \ I don't see where do you have that video.
@dorsalfishing
@dorsalfishing 3 жыл бұрын
And here are a bunch of examples of how KZbin compresses the life out of any quality image to the point of horrendous color banding...
@uxartmusicvideo-andphotogr2043
@uxartmusicvideo-andphotogr2043 2 жыл бұрын
Even with smartphone do not to shoot 8-bit .jpg only the 16-24 bit formats raw or png. I shoot in raw and save edits in 8-bit PNG because social media apps and sites are butchering image quality. Also can't handle 16-bit color data correctly.
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
Good Stuff!
@HelenHayesHospital
@HelenHayesHospital 3 жыл бұрын
Joel, Maybe I missed it but I cannot find you video on processing 32 bit images. Can you post a link? Great video.
@BjarteKFrnsdal
@BjarteKFrnsdal 3 жыл бұрын
Same here. Would love to see it!
@RahulKapoor9992
@RahulKapoor9992 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. But, if you write down your thoughts and refine them, trust me, your videos would be easier to follow by most people on youtube (Me included) with short attention spans. Be precise and concise. Had you worked out what you really wanted to say, instead of freestyle, your video would have been shorter by at least 10 mins this easier to digest, easier to understand thus easier to apply in practice. Either way, I'm subscribing.
@lukerabin5079
@lukerabin5079 3 жыл бұрын
This concept is far too deep to be able to be condensed into t shirt slogans. Your comment says more about people’s inability to slow down and engage with a concept demanding their attention.
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rahul, if I had to write down everything I needed to say I would never produce a video tutorial. Plus, it would sound so canned that most "Artist" types would never get through it. Could I refine my thoughts and approach is bit, yes.
@ironian24
@ironian24 3 жыл бұрын
I have been following you for 16 years+ and have a lot of respect for your photography skills, your processing skills are superb thx for sharing your knowledge it has helped make me a better photographer.
@ironian24
@ironian24 3 жыл бұрын
@S Tra Haha that's side splitting stuff. and a very predictable answer well done.
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Thanks for watching
@joshhugo323
@joshhugo323 3 жыл бұрын
I searched your videos for the full details on processing photos in photoshop but could not find anything. Have any links for us please?
@johnwaine56
@johnwaine56 3 жыл бұрын
Same here!
@drte.alisson
@drte.alisson 3 жыл бұрын
​ @John Waine hi friends, I found this video and it's show how to do what Joel explain. I tried with Joel's RAW files and did work! kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3SUn3ugjNmAkMk
@elusivelens1744
@elusivelens1744 2 жыл бұрын
So, when you make prints after you've processed the RAW files, do you print from PNGs, for higher quality, or JPGs, for size?
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
It depends on the size of the print. a jpeg is fine for something small but the bigger prints would need tiffs of PSBs. testing or chatting with the lab is 100% recommended
@elusivelens1744
@elusivelens1744 2 жыл бұрын
@@joelgrimes Thanks
@brickartphotos8686
@brickartphotos8686 2 жыл бұрын
My image files all say bit depth 24 when I look at the file properties.🤔
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
😳
@aldodibari
@aldodibari Ай бұрын
Hola Joel. Es Impresionante que después de tanto tiempo como fotógrafo por mera casualidad, encontré tu video y ha sido de las mejores informaciones que he encontrado y muy reveladora. Muchas gracias por compartir tan excelente información y tan útil.
@blackice5649
@blackice5649 3 жыл бұрын
Joel - Awesome video! I can honestly say that I learned something new about HDR. So question for you - to acheive the same effect as taking 3 pictures with different exposures - could I go back to an old photo and create virtual copies in Lightroom, assign different exposure to those copies, and then process in Photoshop like you describe?
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
I've not thought about this, I don't know if you can get that extra dynamic range without it being captured in the first place. I'll have to give it a try
@michaelbornagain7264
@michaelbornagain7264 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I am excited to try this with my many raw files that I shot in my 5Div HDR will be even better than before. Subscribed
@drewwenger4195
@drewwenger4195 3 жыл бұрын
I've done HDRs on landscapes or still life... What I don't understand is how you do make multiple exposures for an HDR on a portrait like the Harley dude... Do you tell him to stay absolutely still? how do you achieve 32 bits when your subject is animate.
@TracyHoexter
@TracyHoexter 3 жыл бұрын
I wondered the same...
@gregostudio
@gregostudio 3 жыл бұрын
Yes. Stay still, also photoshop will realign sutle misalingments between shots
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 3 жыл бұрын
I bracket with my ISO. To do that, I use the CamRanger, a device that connects to my camera. It fires the flash and camera fast enough to capture most subjects. Yes, they have to stay fairly still. I photographed around 100 Harley Davidson rider portraits and only one had some issues, which i fixed in Photoshop. This system works for me.
@barryashenhurst2071
@barryashenhurst2071 2 жыл бұрын
Ah sorry Joel. What I actually meant to ask was which metering mode do you use in your Canon: evaluative, partial, or do you spot meter with a handheld? I'd also be interested to know how you sharpen.
@dariocarnelutti6002
@dariocarnelutti6002 Жыл бұрын
Ok, but, do you take 3 pictures of a model to create an HDR? I can understand in landscape but how does it works when you are working with models?
@christopherchall7056
@christopherchall7056 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, thank you! Who knew that during an upgrade in PS it reset to the default workflow setting in the Camera Raw workflow! Yikes!!
@radiozelaza
@radiozelaza 3 жыл бұрын
More and more cameras are able to shoot 10bit HEIF files nowadays. I've never worked with them though, so can't say how they keep up
@rolandrickphotography
@rolandrickphotography 3 жыл бұрын
🤩 Awesome work of yours. The info at 8:00 depends on brand: Nikon + Fuji GFX have massively more information in shadows as in highlights, Sony & Olympus the opposite (a1 not tested yet). Pls take it as a nerd’s comment only. 😄
@JeraldMYates
@JeraldMYates 3 жыл бұрын
Thank-you kindly, Mister !
@rolandrick
@rolandrick 3 жыл бұрын
@@JeraldMYates You're welcome. Depending on what I do, I shoot Nikon (normally) and Olympus (when weight, macro capabilities, flexibility is key). I also had the chance to test the GFX models of Fuji. The GFX has 16 bit RAF raw files (Bayer layer) and is awesome in keeping details in the shadows. Nikon next best. My OM-D EM1 Mk III is the opposite, I can easily overexpose by 1 to 1.7 stops and the detail recovery pushing the highlight slider to the left side is awesome, but I get noisy results trying to recover more than 1.3..1.7 stops underexposed. My Nikons I shoot generally -0.3 to -0.7 at least.
@akfisher7138
@akfisher7138 3 жыл бұрын
The colours are grey level number to the power 3. For example, 256 grey levels to the power 3 which is 256x256x256. A big number! (not 256 x3). Hope that helps....nice 'proof in the pudding' pictures. Excellent examples
@L5man
@L5man 2 жыл бұрын
Wow I had no idea. You said you you did HDR with ISO. how can I understand all about making HDRs?
@tomaskasparoff
@tomaskasparoff 3 жыл бұрын
Where is video mentioned at 20:00? I can't find it :-(
@aldodibari
@aldodibari Ай бұрын
HiJoel, Where can I find your HDR 32 bit process video?
@didriketholm6852
@didriketholm6852 3 жыл бұрын
has anyone found the video Joel refers to about working with bit depth?
@brianwillert2833
@brianwillert2833 3 жыл бұрын
Been looking with no luck, would help to know the title of it.
@brianwillert2833
@brianwillert2833 3 жыл бұрын
Here it is kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGWrip6pisRqisk
@stephencohen9698
@stephencohen9698 2 жыл бұрын
how does your explanation work with photographing a black leather hide -- wanting to avoid all the glare?
@johnjon1823
@johnjon1823 3 жыл бұрын
Where can I get one of those captain von Trapp jackets?
@dotdigital
@dotdigital 3 жыл бұрын
Joel, excellent tutorial. I have one question for you. In working /adjusting in the 32 bit environment within LR, Is the final saved image as 16 bit or 32 bit ? My reason for asking is this, I make large prints on an Epson SC P-8000 44" printer, similar to your own Canon ipf4000. These printers can work with 16 bit files but not 32 bit. As such I believe once you send a file to the printer the very best output you ll get is 16 bit. Are you then diminishing any of the 32 bit quality you worked in on the software? I was hoping you might explain this out for me. Thanks! -Paul.
@fmphotooffice5513
@fmphotooffice5513 3 жыл бұрын
Started with PS5 a long time ago. Back then I was doing "composite" images layering bracketed exposures and revealing highlight and shadow details with the tablet. I have one of those here somewhere...
@sansjamin
@sansjamin 3 жыл бұрын
I been trying to explain this to folks forever. Thank you for making a video! So fatigued by junk megapixel marketing these days.
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@j777
@j777 3 жыл бұрын
My expertise is audio and it's the same thing, compressed audio can sound fine, but if you EQ or process that too much, you'll unmask problems. I like to think of it as "baked". Once you got an MP3 or JPG, it's "cooked" so it's just too late to change the ingredients.
@mcoschiedam
@mcoschiedam Жыл бұрын
ThankU very much for this incredibly informative video!
@hallenw
@hallenw 3 жыл бұрын
Years ago, I founded a photo group through a local art center. At one of the meetings, I challenged the group to do true black and white, as close as possible. I heard a lot of groans. So, I offered a 16x20 gallery wrap print paid from my own wallet to the winner as judged by me. When I reviewed all of the entrances, one really stunned me. The submission was done by an inexperienced lady who was just learning photography. When I brought the print to present the winner… a collective gasp followed by silence and then standing applause. The moral of this story is to go beyond what you think you can do and stretch your imagination. And that’s how I view your work and your commitment to DO and stretch your abilities.
@NormBaker.
@NormBaker. 3 жыл бұрын
To sum it up. What he is saying is when you use a higher bit depth, you are working and displaying more Shades, colors, tones. So when you see a color chart showing Red to orange, there is now millions of tones of red to orange instead of just dozens or hundreds like you would see at your local paint shop. It is the same with the Black to white. Millions of shades of gray in between instead of hundreds.
@GaryParris
@GaryParris 2 жыл бұрын
Bit depth is the number of samples that represent the tone and/or colour stored in any pixel!
@Filtersloth
@Filtersloth 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, great examples and advice for photographers that are going to print. I do think that the numbers are off though. An 8 bit file has 256 possible values per pixel, per channel. Not 4 values. That would be 2 Bit. If it had 4 values it would look something like an original gameboy, black, white and 2 shades of grey. An 8 bit file has 16,777,216 colours to choose from.
@smilesmilefotos
@smilesmilefotos 2 жыл бұрын
thank you
@xandercage8394
@xandercage8394 3 жыл бұрын
It's hard for me to take anyone seriously as a photographer when they can't even get their own nose and ears in focus for a video because they're too obsessed about the background being blurry enough. And can you imagine telling a portrait subject they have to stay so perfectly still so you can shoot a 3 stop bracket (let alone trying to get those shots to line up perfectly afterward to do a high quality edit)... Plus, most of the people watching this aren't good enough at the basics of digital photography (let alone editing) to know what to do with a bracketed 32 bit file, so who cares.
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback Xander!
@jean-claudemuller3199
@jean-claudemuller3199 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry, at 13:26 the figures are not correct ! 8 bit per channel always gave 256 values and each additional bit multiplies this number by 2 conventional 32 bit is very different from 32 bit hdr wich is a 32 bit floating point notation with way more values.
@joelgrimes
@joelgrimes 2 жыл бұрын
thanks!
@photomdg1
@photomdg1 3 жыл бұрын
Many thanks, for this! What a difference, the higher/highest bit depth makes!
@grimmsshenanigansproductions
@grimmsshenanigansproductions 2 жыл бұрын
Question. Whats the difference between pro photo and adobe rgb?
@ewallperschwaznyk4169
@ewallperschwaznyk4169 3 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering if any of this is practical if we don't have the big expensive printer?
@rosasgonzales9524
@rosasgonzales9524 3 жыл бұрын
interesting, thanks for producing this video, very helpful; why not just shoot RAW all the time and from the get-go? storage cards are not that expensive anymore.
@MilesforMoments
@MilesforMoments 3 жыл бұрын
They are all RAW files. Most full frame cameras only output 14bit files.
@Crazyworldd160
@Crazyworldd160 3 ай бұрын
i don't understand , how can i convert photos to 32 bit ?
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