CFP Rankings: is Indiana safe? Does Alabama, Ole Miss or South Carolina have a path?

[@JoelKlattShow]

Should the Indiana Hoosiers make the cut for the CFP?

[@MiamiUUUUU369]

Yes

[@jdavisdavisj]

If they look their dominant selves against Purdue, yes.

[@batmandeltaforce]

Only to fill a spot... no chance of winning.

[@kw1726]

absolutely, they should be around 7 or 8 and in a "win and in" situation

[@joshmartonosi5624]

Yes!

[@TheVgaTV]

If Alabama had gone on the road to OSU and lost the game 38-15 like Indiana did, they probably wouldn't have dropped a single spot. If Indiana had gone to Oklahoma and got dog walked without scoring a touchdown, they'd be out of the rankings

[@truthhurts95]

You don’t understand football do you I’m not an Alabama fan before you start that but the reason that’s so is because Alabama has played multiple ranked teams Indiana played one team with a winning record before they played Ohio state

[@HawgWyldFishing]

@@truthhurts95they don’t wanna hear the reality of it. If Indiana had to play Alabamas schedule, they’d be lucky to be bowl eligible. If Alabama played Indianas schedule. They’d probably look like the #3-#5 team in the country right now. If UGA played Indiana’s schedule, we would all be trying to figure out how to get Bama matches into them in the playoffs, because that’s the only remaining hope that the rest of the country would have at stopping them from winning it all. 😂😂

[@TheLEMRR]

You are 100% correct

[@JFTB-i8y]

indiana doesnt have a win over georgia.

[@flyt4880]

🤣🤣 all the way out the top 25?

[@justinheld5393]

How TF they gonna put Indiana 10th, but Miami 6th? Indiana blowing out teams with one loss to number 2. Miami is winning games by one point and losing to unranked trash. Criminal rankings

[@DerekTt-je6gd]

They also said that in the criteria the committee picks who they think the best teams are. Let that sink in. Why do you think Alabama is still being considered?

[@tracyallen6722]

Miami defense sucks

[@PickledRickles]

​@DerekTt-je6gd why play regular season games, if it's all an eye test?

[@monarchy7500]

@@PickledRicklescause you can’t put in kansas even though they’re looking good. the bipolarness of it is what discredits

[@monarchy7500]

31-7 with 2 minutes left. then indiana scores. so with 1:50 left in the game, ohio state goes down and scores again! garbage time! indiana shoulda ended the game 31-15 but instead they have a horrible defense and lose 38-15. they deserve to drop 5 spots and stay in playoffs or should they not have dropped at all????

[@JacksonB12U]

They all said this is a new era of college football. Shouldn’t this mean a clean slate for all teams fighting to get into the playoffs? Why are people still being favorable to teams that have had success in the past, even though they’re not performing right now? But let’s allow teams that have three losses to sneak their way in because of history instead of teams that are playing well and 'need to win their conference to get in.'

[@GoatedAtNFS]

don’t know why you think anything differently

[@stanmansportsfan9469]

Couldn't have been said any better! Bravo!

[@nuge3005]

Usually teams that have been good in the past have better rosters and that’s probably what they take into consideration, too.

[@cooldudecs]

Rosters matter… ALOT

[@mjcastro82]

One reason: Ratings>Rankings

[@gocrazy2113]

bama needs to be 15-18 what are we talking about here ??

[@jeforyslimcock2008]

Bama shouldn’t be in the playoff talk period

[@travisn346]

​@@jeforyslimcock2008they're not. At least 3 upsets would have to happen for them to even have a shot. If the teams ahead of them are any good, they'll win their games and Bama will sit home.

[@Timidor23]

​@@travisn346But the fact they're one ranking out of the playoffs is too close for a team with 2 bad losses and 3 overall

[@apoloestrada2908]

Bama will be in the CFP picture next week pending chaos this weekend.

[@stevetimmons3114]

if the team name were anything other than bama or georgia, they'd be 20 or lower

[@dennisgannon]

Miami really has 3 losses, 2 bad ref calls. They should be rated much lower.

[@fredb8969]

You think the CFP committee should rank teams based on theoretical losses? Miami should be lower because of bad refs? Lol

[@dennisgannon]

@@fredb8969 Howdy Fred, call them very weak wins vs blowouts by other teams.

[@fredb8969]

@@dennisgannon now that I don’t disagree with and I’m a Miami fan

[@JC-td1bt]

What is up with you people and theoretical wins and losses? It actually makes you sound so dumb.

[@MrErictyrones]

Cry more

[@TheGumballScrub]

I think if South Carolina gets in, nobody wants to play them. That team has evolved after every loss this season and the teams that have not experienced much loss may not have the same level of grit needed to beat South Carolina.

[@johnlewisrainsford4028]

oh yeah the highly vaunted and scared fighting shamecocks with their trophy case full of 1969 ACC championship and gator bowl trophies. Really a proven record of winning tough games in USUCKs record

[@tmac29nyc]

Exactly! Thats why these TV guys don't want them in

[@akhilkrishnan8878]

Alabama bias is really annoying man. The committee and ESPN are trying their best to make a case for Alabama as long as possible until they can't smh

[@travisn346]

Bama needs at least 3 upsets... they're not even in consideration and the rankings are proof.

[@JakeM25]

I wouldn't even care, if their 3 losses were close against good teams. Getting beat by 21 by oklahoma should end the discussion.

[@A_Fool]

it is so annoying. 3 losses, 2 losses to unranked teams, and they are still an "almost" team... just ridiculous smh

[@davida730]

The UGA win is a good one, yet the committee doesn't seem to rank UGA like they are elite. I can't follow any logic to it.

[@danielminutilli5372]

South Carolina has a better case

[@DawgsOnTop3]

@joelklattshow The issue is not with reseeding. The issue is ranking a team 11th but seeding them 4th. Ranking a team 6th but seeding them 3rd. Reseeding the current teams would result in the exact same problems you are trying to solve. Assuming chalk holds in the first round, UGA would be the highest seed and would be paired against Oregon. OSU would be the lowest seed 1st round winner and would be paired against BSU. Same result. You have to get rid of the conference champ getting a bye. You can still say the top 5 conference champs get an auto bid, but you then have to seed them in order of quality by the rankings. Otherwise you aren't solving the problem.

[@jamiesp3901]

Just make the 2nd round home games. Oregon would rather play Georgia in Autzen vs play a home game then play Boise in Boise.

[@5552515]

yeah this whole first round bye seeding is absolutely criminal. to think oregon/ohio state would defer a bye to boise state and miami is just unfathomable. A P4 championship should get you a playoff spot but not a bye

[@Th4t_guy_]

You said it better than I did...truth here. I personally think conference champs should get a bye, I can be convinced otherwise, but I also don't have as big an issue with the current bracket as he does.

[@jbaker7439]

Any format I think about if we just ranked 1-12 without byes I’m not sure how fair that is to teams playing in conference championships who play an extra week. But I agree just jumping teams from 20th to 12 seed and 11th to 4 seed is not good. It’s likely Big 10 and SEC will probably get together to force NCAA hand to change it because they are the most impacted.

[@DawgsOnTop3]

@@jbaker7439 All they have to do is make sure the 12 teams are seeded according to quality. Don't jump teams in seeding within the 12 because that's what creates the inequality in the format. 1v8, 2v7, 3v6, and 4v5 works IF the teams are seeded according to ranking so that 8 is actually the worst team and 1 is the best team. It all falls apart when you mess with the seedings and then pretend that seeding is equivalent to ranking. The current format would have: 1st round: 2nd ranked vs 16th ranked; 4th vs 10th; 5th vs 9th; and 7th vs 8th. That's not too bad, but then you realize that the format says the 2nd round is : 1st ranked vs 7th/8th ranked teams; 3rd ranked vs 5th/9th; 6th vs 4th/10th; 11th vs 2nd/16th

[@gavin_bigred]

We are thankful for you Joel. I hope you and your family have a wonderful time.

[@danoqamyasharahla6544]

The bias for the SEC and it's so obvious at this point. I truly believe that this is why they have created the expanded playoffs, it is not so that teams like Indiana can make it in to the playoffs , it's so that teams like Alabama and Ole Miss can have multiple chances to make it into the playoffs...and SEC fans wonder why everyone hates the SEC.

[@GregoryGreene1906]

I love your non-biased comments on the Podcast, Joe. I have been following you for about 3 months, and you bring fresh air to the existing podcast platforms. 🏈🌟

[@JamesGibbs-NDFAN]

Non- bias!?!?! Tell me you don’t watch his show by not saying you watch his show. Big 10 and Big 12 bias!

[@loganmai1812]

@@JamesGibbs-NDFANridiculous

[@GoatedAtNFS]

people need to differentiate from SEC bias and Alabama bias. because look how far A&M dropped, and compare it to Alabama. look how far away Tennessee and A&M was from Alabama last week. compare it. it’s clear who they favor more than anyone else. so that nonsense can end.

[@DustinSchoonmaker]

Haha the only reason Missouri is ranked is sec bias and to boost resumes. They don’t belong in the top 25.

[@VerifiedBarz]

A&M dropped cause they are trash deal with it

[@Gohji]

​@@VerifiedBarzDon't think that's his point bud lol

[@VerifiedBarz]

@@Gohji it’s the only point they should of took care of business, bud

[@user-qh2jg9ee7n]

​@@VerifiedBarz like Alabama took care of business last week nitwit?

[@HauntedBotanist]

I agree with you about the re-seeding on the current playoff bracket, but I'd really prefer 16 teams, no byes, home games for the first 2 rounds (or at least the first round). The byes in this scenario of giving a team a neutral site at a "bowl" location hurts the school/local fans.

[@DoubleDDeacon]

22:00 First thing I recognized when they released the CFP bracket. Why is the #1 seed not playing the winner of a game between the 11th and 12th seed? Instead, #1 has to play #8 or #9, and with the current standings, that just happens to be two potential SEC conference championship contenders. Lol what a f'd up system. Makes zero sense.

[@davidjohns8833]

Because that is how seeding works. 11vs 12 means one of the 2 lowest seeds is guaranteed to get out of the first round. If all is chalk (and you should assume it is) 5,6,7,8 get out of the first round. #1 seed gets the worst of those that is 8. That is why Joel is saying re-seed. (I think he means re-seed everyone meaning Boise St might not be #4, but I could be wrong)

[@DoubleDDeacon]

@davidjohns8833 Not exactly, if you've seen the tournament known as March Madness. The top seed should earn the right to play the worst seed... 1 plays 16, 2 plays 15... Not difficult to understand.

[@statcat1988]

March madness doesn’t have a first round bye. You essentially get to play the worst seed first by not having to play at all, then you play the 8 seed which is the worst remaining seed. Not difficult to understand

[@DoubleDDeacon]

@@statcat1988 So you're basically saying that the first seed should play a better team than team ranked 5th who will play a worse opponent than the 1 seed gets. That makes zero sense. Why should the best team have a more difficult path? This is what March Madness gets correct, bye or not.

[@donaldshotts4429]

? 5 vs 12, 6 vs 11, 7 vs 10, 8 vs 9

[@BBallRambling]

Say what you will about South Carolina. But I believe the committee would jump them over Alabama and Ole Miss if they defeat Clemson. Obviously they are all neck and neck. If 1 new data point gets added and it is a win for SC over a team ranked higher than those 2, then I don’t see a world where they don’t jump them. You may want to argue that the margin of victory matters, but I feel as though the committee has proven they do not care about that number.

[@user-zu5cw5bc3w]

Big Ten fan here. I agree with you. South Carolina has a path because they are playing a higher ranked team this week than Alabama and Ole Miss. There is no Big 12 team ranked in top 12 right now, but a Big 12 team gets in no matter what probably at the 12th spot. Alabama and Ole Miss would have to make it to the 11th spot to get in and they only have games left against unranked Auburn and Mississippi State respectively. South Carolina is on the road at the 12th ranked team so if they win, they have a path to jump up. Just beating Clemson doesn't guarantee South Carolina a spot though. South Carolina probably also needs Miami to beat SMU for the ACC. A three loss South Carolina has a better chance to pass a two loss SMU dropping from 9th than they would to pass a two loss Miami dropping from 6th. Clemson is ranked ahead of Alabama and Ole Miss. Alabama's only chance to pass Clemson is for Clemson to lose but if Clemson loses it's to South Carolina and the Gamecocks will likely jump Ole Miss and Alabama in the process. The handwriting is on the wall. Either Clemson stays ahead of Alabama and Ole Miss by beating South Carolina or South Carolina jumps up and takes Clemson's spot ahead of Alabama and Ole Miss.

[@MasterShake1G]

South Carolina lost to Alabama South Carolina lost to Ole Miss How in the world would a 9-3 SC jump either of those 9-3 teams WHO BOTH BEAT THEM!! South Carolina fans are delusional

[@MasterShake1G]

South Carolina’s best wins: Texas A&M & Clemson, Mizzou Alabama’s best wins: Georgia, South Carolina, Mizzou, LSU

[@jordanmadden7388]

Not saying you’re wrong but Alabama beat South Carolina head to head. So to have the same record and a loss head to head would be a difficult case. Plus, we are talking about Bama. I’ve never seen them lose a case where you are deciding between 2 teams.

[@BBallRambling]

@ With your logic Alabama should be ranked lower than both Vandy and Oklahoma. Cool. Thanks for the input.

[@MiamiUUUUU369]

Clemson at 12 is crazy I’m sorry 😂😂😂😂like how

[@jbaker7439]

Teams are more inconsistent now. NIL and Transfer Portal mean more player changes than ever year to year. It’s why Saban left. His format does not work in this era. He needs 5 stars playing back up. And he needs players staying all 4 years. Clemson wouldn’t be ranked that high except everyone keeps losing 😂 what else are you gonna do? 🤷‍♂️

[@nathanswarthout6721]

Why don't the top 12 ranked teams get to be the top 12 teams in the playoff? I always thought that's what it was going to be.

[@Melodicroger]

Because it rewards teams who win the conference with existing higher ranks. Why go through the effort of an extra game if you could pull a Penn State and sit at the 4th seed?

[@chasinglegends4310]

Joel, Indiana had 19 total yards after their first drive. #10 is the highest they should be.

[@LM.211]

A teams first drive doesn’t mean much. Just cause you might go 3 and out at the start has little bearing on how good a team is

[@jaridatkinson4907]

​@LM.211 i think u read tht wrong their first drive was really good struggled to move the ball at all after that 1st drive

[@MagicCityPhotography]

Joel once again you're loud and wrong. You mentioned Indiana fans. If I told Hoosier fans before the season that going into the last week of the season, coming off a bad loss to Ohio St, that you will be in the top ten. I think everyone would've taken that so zip it! Miami is #6 so just deal with it. We're 10-1 miss me with the the should've, would've, could've lost to Cal etc, THEY DIDN'T. Miami will beat Cuse and SMU and be two wins away from a Naddy!

[@chuckcribbs3398]

Not true if you take away the botched punt.

[@jamesporter6162]

I’m sorry Joel there is no way SC has NO path. It’s definitely narrow but there is definitely a path.

[@p215j]

Agreed

[@desertduck4177]

Let’s go Ducks! Great time for college football and conferences. Thankful for so many things, this thanksgiving season.

[@xedron1079]

the fact that Indiana's strength of schedule ranking went up 50 PLACES after playing ohio state shows how flawed that stat is

[@chrissmith1364]

I have said it for weeks, you Can NOT give conference champs auto bids, let them in but rank them. It makes no sense, no reward for the better teams. God bless you all have a good Thanksgiving.

[@TheSFA]

There are a few easy fixes to the format that Joel didn’t mention: 1. If conference champs get first round byes then guarantee the fifth champ a home game! Would put them in the 8 seed giving the 5th seed a harder first round matchup and giving the 1 seed potentially an easier opponent. 2. Give conference champions auto bids but not 1st round byes! Would make Boise State and Arizona State the 11th and 12th seeds!

[@cdrizzy15]

I was thinking the exact same thing!

[@GBU61]

I would guarantee a conference champion a playoff spot but not an auto bye. The top 4 ranked teams should get the bye regardless of conference affiliation. As for the home playoff game, go to 16 teams and guarantee a home playoff game to a conference champion would make much more sense.

[@user-zu5cw5bc3w]

Just re-seeding everyone is easier and fixes the issue no matter what.

[@cdrizzy15]

@@user-zu5cw5bc3w it’s kinda how the NFL does it. The higher ranks play the lower.

[@TheSFA]

@@user-zu5cw5bc3w sure but I think it causes a lot for confusion for the casual viewer. Keeping a clean bracket has value.

[@heartbreak25]

This is the first year. I think people need to relax on making conclusions on the playoffs before they've even started. It's not going to be perfect, but it's better than trying to pick with a computer.

[@mansionman777]

They just like to complain, even if the system was as fair as possible they would find a problem with it.

[@colbyboggs5365]

You nailed how the system seeding is broken. I’m an Ohio state fan, but heck…maybe we just want to lose the big 10 champ and play cupcakes into the quarterfinals 😂

[@Steven-z9z]

God bless you and your family, Joel, and thank you for your great work.

[@MiamiUUUUU369]

Before the season there was a lot of talk about how the 12 team playoff would make regular season games less meaningful and exciting. But honestly, that hasn’t been the case at all. Every week feels packed with big games that have serious playoff implications. However, I do think allowing 3-loss teams into the playoff-unless they’re a 3-loss conference champion auto-bid-cheapens the importance of regular season games(Alabama 💀). Take Alabama, for example. The Tennessee loss isn’t terrible, but the Vanderbilt and especially the Oklahoma loss? Atrocious. Yet the committee keeps them at 13, clearly leaving the door open for them to sneak in with a win over Auburn. Meanwhile, A&M has better wins, and their losses are way more respectable than bamas in my opinion. Honestly, I’d love to see Payton Thorne turn into prime Cam Newton and hand Bama their fourth loss. Knock them all the way down to the 14th seed(still on the bubble depending on how the sec title game plays out😂)

[@batmandeltaforce]

Nailed it. The ghost of Saban needs to be exorcised.

[@skylaryoung3819]

Yeah Alabama has no business being that high. I’d have them at 15 or 16.

[@bloom823]

Miami beat Florida at the swamp by 3 TDs.

[@ScottWhiting-p1j]

I think you are wrong about SMU the loss by byu came beginning of the season to say byu isn’t as good does not relate and if any team has been disrespected it would be SMU thank you for a great show and your perspective is appreciated big 12 championship game will be between byu and Iowa state

[@truthhurts95]

I’m still not understanding why Texas is at 3 and why Miami is ranked ahead of Georgia

[@jimnorman9790]

Hey Joel, love your show on KZbin. You touched on the problem with the 12 team playoff. The committee is setting up the two teams that have been #1 and # 2 for half the season after they have played each other twice(future championship game) to play each other again in the semi final. So #1 and # 2 will not play in the actual championship? Instead they are setting it up for a potential Georgia and Texas in the championship game. That is the final Sec bias. Anyone may beat anyone. It depends on who shows up to play. That’s why the regular season counts, who showed up week after week? BCS- 1 vs 2. CFB - 1vs 2. CFB 4team playoff- potentially 1 vs 2. 12 team p/o - potentially 7 or 8 vs 3,5,6, or 10. Or 1 or 2 vs 3, 5, or 6? There is zero chance of # 1 playing # 2 in the championship. That’s my gripe

[@unchartedtalentssportschan324]

Lol it would be business malpractice quote 😂😂 Joel is the man for a reason !

[@ArchAngeLs777Gaming]

Great video, Joel! I agree, but I think an issue with seeding is the fact that UGA should be ranked higher. We have a collection of teams in the top 12 that have basically the weaker schedules. Consider this: - Oregon, Ohio St., and UGA have more wins over the current top 12 (7) than the rest of the NINE have over the committee's top 25 (4) and are the only teams in the top 12 with multiple wins over ranked competition. - worse, the other 9 teams have as many losses vs unranked competition as wins over currently ranked competition (4). - 5 teams in the committee's top 12 do not have a single win over currently ranked teams (Texas, Miami, Indiana, SMU, Clemson). I think the format will quickly change: - 16 teams with no bye weeks, seeded by ranking - conference championships might go away depending on if the losers start getting punished for being in the game, especially when teams they beat are firmly in the field.

[@reidpoley5196]

Joel Klatt I’m thankful for you

[@wondery6693]

There is NO WAY Bama deserves to be in this years play offs. PERIOD. This 12 team format is not going to work unless they use some other method of ranking other than a committee. There are 10 div 1 conferences in college football. You can easily find 12 teams from those conference championship games. Also should not have bi weeks for four teams. Too big of an advantage at that time of year to get healthy. Ohio State and MI needs to change their game to earlier in season and play a weaker team at end of season like Bama gets to. Sorry Auburn but you have not been strong for a while.

[@Millercollin]

You compare the losses but how about compare the Wins of those 4 teams( ND win AT A&M at night)

[@Beenman2210]

He can’t because he’d have to admit he’s wrong. Indiana would have a SOS in wins in the 100s while smu, miami, and notre dames would all be above 60

[@Shalom-Yo]

Crazy that ONE game boosts Indiana’s SOS to 51st…. FIU, Western IL, Charlotte, Northwestern, Maryland… 51st best schedule is a bit overstated

[@All_star_edits464]

I love watching your show Joel! I know the 12 Team Playoff format isn’t perfect as it’s set up right now but it definitely is so much better for the sport and college football fans than what we’ve been accustomed to. I can’t believe I’m actually seeing a potential chance that my team (ASU) could actually make it to the playoff. This would never have been the case with the old 4 team format. The 12 Team playoff makes more games matter than ever before. It’s no longer lose one game and you’re out of the playoff. Thanks for your passion! Go Devils!

[@coreyarnouts5480]

Klatt criticized Kirby Smart for trying to “politic” Georgia into the CFB and now he is doing the same thing for Indiana. The powers that be at Fox have definitely given Klatt the orders to hype up the big ten whenever possible.

[@Timidor23]

Is he wrong? Big Ten is dominant in the rankings and Indiana does have a better record than SMU

[@jordanmadden7388]

Agree with the 5 seed vs 1 seed as it stands today. But in reality UGA will probably beat Texas in the SEC ship and take the 2 seed. At that point, the 1 seed looks better than it does today.

[@kevinlachance669]

They absolutely need it to have reseeding. If you are ranked the top seed, you should have the easiest path since you earned it being the top seed. Right now you have teams being punished for being great and the 5th seed has 2 easier games before having a hard game. Reseeding!!!!

[@isthatwhatemptymeans8222]

Klatt shoots his whole argument in the foot. Saying playing Georgia once is worse than playing AZ State and Boise State. Then obviously he believes a non conference winning SEC school is a tougher match than a Big 12 or Mountain West champ. Ergo why should any Big 12, ACC, or Mntn West team be more deserving than. Bama, South Carolina, or Ole Miss if their champ isn't more deserving? Cmon Joel all we want is consistency. At a neutral site who are the best 4 teams...be honest.

[@that_celtics_fan]

Joel's indiana take is crazy. The only good team they played DOG WALKED THEM. "You shouldnt go down because your punt team can't cover." So how much higher should boise state be? Because barring 2 kick returns, boise beat the best team in nation by 2 tds

[@chuckcribbs3398]

That punt was supposed to go to the right, not the left. That hurt the punt team. Truth.

[@criminalfailures2977]

SMU ahead of Indiana but not a single person is complaining about their SOS Edit: I was 10 sec into the video, thank god for Joel Klatt always keeping it real except with Colorado

[@jacobgonzalez4637]

We should let the 4 teams with byes pick who they want to play, one by one, could be electric and would fix the 5 seed vs 1 seed issue

[@cascade9844]

Colorado is not gonna jump 8 spots if they win the conference championship. I don’t think they get in over Tulane if Tulane takes care of businesses

[@p215j]

Yes they will. Colorado would be 10-3 with win over likely Arizona St. in Big12 Championship. 100% make the CFP regardless of what anyone says. That's a fact.

[@jbaker7439]

@p215j I don’t think so. We will have to see where teams are ranked before their championship game as well. The CFP hasn’t been a fan of the big 12 this year. Look where ASU is now. Look when BYU lost. Etc. I don’t think this year, this committee, is going to jump a big12 team more than 5 spots. Which is what they jumped ASU last week.

[@joshmartonosi5624]

Joel Klatt is the best mind on college football. Change my mind!

[@elijahmcelroy2577]

I like Joel Klatt and JD Pickell, as far as analysts go. I think Kirk Herbstreit is so overrated. He is proven wrong over and over but for some reason people keep listening to him. I really like McElroy, not because we share a last name, but he has a massive SEC, specifically Alabama, bias, that he is not very good at hiding. Don’t get me started on Finebaum! I won’t try to change your mind. I agree with you.

[@elijahmcelroy2577]

The only thing about Joel that gets to me is that Colorado could be the worst team in the country, and he would still find a way to talk about them. I understand that he played there, but that is even more of a reason to not always find a way to talk about them.

[@r3d646]

It really is crazy that when the loss happened is like the most important factor, not how bad it was. If Notre Dame was undefeated right now and lost to NIU this weekend they would drop to like 10th at best, but because it happened in week 2 nobody cares anymore. Same thing with SMU. Indiana is literally just getting punished because they scheduled a tough game late instead of in September. I get that recent performance should have a slightly higher weight but this is ridiculous.

[@kczcb4697]

Agreed about the 5th seed being better than 1st seed. As an Oregon fan I hope the ducks beat uw and my feelings aren’t hurt if they lose to Ohio state in a close game. If the bye helps Oregon heal up that’s a plus. Still a Georgia/ Tennessee winner followed by Ohio state seems more difficult than a 2 seed route.

[@DK-jo9hr]

Like the reseeding after round one idea. Other option would be just to have top five conf champs gets bids but byes are for top 4 ranked teams. In that scenario the bracket would currently shape up for potential quarter final matchups between (1) Oregon vs (8) Tenn; (2) OSU vs (7) Geo; (3) Texas vs (6) Miami (4) PSU vs (5) ND…which looks awesome

[@willrau1182]

Considering the playoff format, I find it interesting because no one cares in March madness when there are Cinderella teams that get lucky with good matchups, and also that mid major conference champs get a chance. Compared to the obsession with not letting any team that isn’t super talented into the cfp

[@TvdL20]

Why does Miami always get scrutinized but Penn State sitting there at 4(!) while they’ve played 1 serious opponent and lost, like they always do.. Indiana at least played OSU on the road.

[@supernova4575]

I agree with the SMU Indiana assessment

[@tommelton2443]

My question is why should ANY team get a bye? That's just like stacking the deck.

[@jordanmadden7388]

Well with 12 teams, you have to have byes or else the bracket doesn’t work. Also byes are pretty common in other sports.

[@MichaelMiko1967]

Thanks, Joel.

[@Beenman2210]

Smus loss is better than indianas. Yes Ohio state is a better team than byu but smu lost by a field goal while Indiana was blown out. Just because you lose to a good team doesn’t make it a good loss when you get blown out. And smu has better wins. Indianas SOS shot up 50 places from playing Ohio State (who they lost to by 23). SMU has actually beat good teams and Indiana hasn’t.

[@jordanmadden7388]

Mostly fair points.

[@bigepak60]

Exactly. SMU’s best win would be FPI ranked 13 (Louisville). IU’s is best win is FPI 34 (Michigan). SMU has 5 wins against bowl eligible P4 teams and IU has 3. SMU lost a 3 point game to a top 20 team and IU lost by 23 to a top 5 team. Probably cancels each other given the scoring margin. I like Klatt, but that one is pretty easy.

[@bigepak60]

They also said IU’s SOS will be in the 60s after Purdue and SMU’s right now is in the 70s. A difference in 10 spots in SOS is minuscule

[@statcat1988]

I can’t listen to someone talk about being disappointed with brand bias while at the same time they act like a Georgia team that loses to bama and ole miss and struggles with Kentucky is still a dominant team. Would love to see Ohio State drop that first game to BIG12 winner

[@RJMCK]

Here's what they should do. 2 major conferences, 4 regional divisions in each conference. 10 conference games with 2 games out of conference. (Big 10 vs SEC in the middle of the season). Have divisional championship games play for 8 playoff spots.

[@boybrushedred18]

It's almost like STEENGTH OF SCHEDULE is meaningless......

[@Beenman2210]

They need to calculate SOS differently. It goes off espn fpi ratings and everyone would agree those are worthless garbage

[@jordanmadden7388]

Strength of schedule is meaningless. Strength of record is a somewhat better metric. The reason strength of schedule is meaningless is because anybody can play a good schedule if they are allowed to lose.

[@rickmahan7350]

Joel you are wrong about SMU not beating a top 25 team, they beat Pitt when they were ranked 18, if indiana wins against Michigan and Washington, disappointed

[@seanneumann6868]

Here’s my format. Top 6 conf champs get an auto-bid, with 10 at large teams. Top 6 conf champs are guaranteed at least a home game, but seeded relative to where they are ranked. (8+ is seeded 8, if there’s 2 8+ they’re 7,8.) gives value to the regular season but still allows the second best team to have a similar path to the number 1

[@TheSchaef47]

If the committee is going to tweak their rankings, they might consider shuffling a couple teams so that instead of an SEC pairing and a Big Ten pairing, maybe pit those teams against each other.

[@pokerguy2210]

You can’t say the losses are not comparable when you lose by 20+. No loss by 20+ objectively looks better than a loss to a ranked team by 3. That argument doesn’t make sense

[@jbaker7439]

Joel. You’re wrong. SC has a path. That’s why the CFP pushed them up to 15 in the last few weeks. And why are we talking like Alabama can’t lose to Auburn 😂 Also. The ACC has a path to 3 teams. Everyone is asking like Clemson can’t win that game.

[@Air_Dan]

We need to get Klatt in the room!

[@adebayoajibade5236]

Think about the format in terms of TV ratings... makes sense in that light. Massive games throughout the tournament rather than just the semis and final.

[@bloom823]

Indiana had a 100+ strength of schedule before the blowout loss.

[@DustinSchoonmaker]

Blowout? 🤣 clearly you didn’t watch the game ya clown

[@patrickthomas2650]

Yeah the format is so flawed. You’re absolutely right. 12 team playoff is good, but how they rank them is flawed. Top 4 ranked should get the byes, then the remaining 8 teams get ranked by conference champs and resumes. It’s so simple.

[@chuckcribbs3398]

If you take away the OSU punt return TD, the botched punt that led to a TD and the last second TD that they scored, it’s OSU 17, Indiana 15. I’m not excusing IU, but three plays and 21 points. And if the punter puts the ball on the right instead of the left side of the field, where it was supposed to go and he gets the punt off, IU gets to play defense. Remember they had a goal line stand against the #2 team. Three plays don’t define a season against a #2 team. If they blowout Purdue they should move up and easily get in.

[@joseph6872]

-Keep the byes for incentive to win games in regular season. -Clause the 4 byes for champs in top 6, remaining byes go to highest ranked team available. -Clause auto bids for only conference champs in top 15. If already a champ and ranked between 12-7 keep your seed. -Re-seed final 8 teams based on rankings after first round 1v8- -2v7 ]-- v --[ 4v5- -3v6 And im not sure the rules on bowl games regarding location, but is there any way 1 through 4 seeds could host a bowl game at home for quarterfinal?? Thoughts??

[@matthewmikesell5834]

The thing is even with reseeding if the teams that are supposed to win advance, Oregon would still play Georgia as 1 vs 8 and osu would still play boise state 5 vs 4. So reseeding wouldn’t fix the issue that 5 can still have an easier path than 1

[@jeforyslimcock2008]

Thats not a seeding problem it’s what team is doing good for the 4 seed which is one of the top 4 conference champions not the committees fault the big 12 is in shambles

[@wibes1607]

they should reseed based on what your ranking is not what your seed in the playoff is

[@HerbHerman-le5ux]

Unlv two wins away from playoff, after their starter quit 3 games in. That’s a huge story and no one talks about them anymore!

[@A1PrimeTimeMovies]

The fact Colorado has a chance to make the playoff is insane considering how easy their schedule has been and they still have 3 losses. The only currently ranked team they’ve played is K State who beat them in Boulder.

[@AnthonyMcNeil]

They have a chance but it's slim. I feel that they probably respected the loss to Kansas since Kansas just beat 2 ranked teams. That KState game hurt the most. That was the game they should have won.

[@The.ARCHIT3CT]

The difference is Indiana got absolutely boat raced and embarrassed

[@shewr4664]

Have you ever met the Buckeyes in the shoe on a good day? (Other than Connor Stallionitis) the Buckeyes are hard to beat. Indiana should be ranked higher….

[@tysonkrehnke2835]

The problem with the playoff seeding exists in many sports. It comes down to an "issue" if you see it that way of not reseeding rankings every round. This is possibly the only functional or interesting thing about the WNBA is that when the 8th seed beats the 1st seed, they don't play the 4-5th seed. They instead reseed the tournament so they have the toughest opponent left. Let's just say the 2nd seed. There's no reason college football couldn't do the same.

[@Melodicroger]

Agreed, reseeding after the first round would result in the right evening out of match ups.

[@mrmonkeysays]

Apparently, when the SEC beats each other, it proves how good the SEC is, but, when the Big 12 beats each other, it proves how bad the Big 12 is. And, Big 12 teams that won AT SMU (BYU) and AT TULANE (KSU) are both ranked LOWER than the teams they beat. Meanwhile, Tennessee, whose best win is 3 loss Alabama, lost to Arkansas, a team that lost to the last place, 0-8, Big 12 team (Oklahoma St), but is a top 10 team. Make it make sense.

[@HamRadioLiveShow]

Nice work Joel. There’s NO WAY Alabama should make the CFP. They haven’t been consistent this year as a winner and they are a field goal away from tying that Georgia game. A three loss Alabama should not be in. I don’t think any three loss team should be in it. Unless their losses come from top 10 matchups.

[@lightschunk]

I've always thought the top four rated teams should get a bye week rather than four conference champions.

[@kanyehess33]

Happy Thanksgiving Joel! Go Hoosiers ⚪️🔴

[@Alan-lv9rw]

The committee will not penalize SMU or Miami for a conference championship loss.

[@buckshotjones9731]

As a Buckeye fan I agree Indiana got disrespected by the committee. They should be ranked 8th

[@jasonlonker1666]

Hey Joel, I'm a Buckeye fan and I agree with you

[@TimLomicka]

ASU (and probably Iowa State) should be ahead of that Bama/Ole Miss/South Carolina pod

[@michaelwalker7400]

If I was Oregon, I wouldn't be afraid of this year's Georgia team. If it was the team from 2 years ago it's a different story.

[@crouse1962]

Committee may be down on Indiana based on the Big Ten having 4 teams in and the SEC only getting 3 teams in.

[@justincleary5249]

I’m ok with both the 14 team suggestion and the re-seeding after the first round. Those both sound completely logical. If adding 2 more though, I really would like one of them to be a guaranteed bid for the next highest ranked conference champion for access reasons. Just go up to 6 conference champs instead of 5 like was the original intent. Those last 2 would just get seeded into the at large field n the way the 5th is now. I would like to see what Boise state and the American champ could do this year. There are bound to be at least 2 G5 conference champs per year worth giving a shot to.

[@Saylin021]

This might be the worst rankings yet. Because it got every level wrong, from top 5 to who is in the 20s vs unranked. Wild

[@andregarcia8004]

hey joel, i feel that the playoff format should change in the way that the nfl does it where the lowest remaining seed plays the highest remaining seed and the rest of the quarter final matches fall in line to that. for example, if the 12 seed beats the 5th seed and the 8 seed beats the 9th seed, then the 12th seed team should play the 1st seed not the 4th seed

[@richh650]

They clearly need to change the matchups as it will be currently stupid for the 5 seed to be a better place to be placed than the 1 seed... Also, as a Tarheel basketball fan I grew up hating the strong Indiana basketball teams but I hate how they are now having to fight the brand bias of the other legacy football teams on this list...

[@johnchilcote8967]

Buckeye Fan here. Love the show as always. I like your point about reseeding. I think 6-10 should be 6) GA 7) TN 8) IND 9) MIA 10) SMU This would change the seeding issues a bit. But I agree a reseeding is necessary to reward the top seeds in the ranking. Q’s Do you think OSU remains #5 seed if they lose? Does a 2-loss SEC team jump them, esp if the it’s Texas? Does ND jump them w no conf champ? Regarding the Big12 - how is it fair that a team with at least 2 losses currently below the top 15 will get in? Or a non-power 4 team gets it? I feel like conf champs need to be ranked in the top-10 to qualify for the bye. Just some thoughts! Happy Thanksgiving!

[@willied4856]

The bias against the BIG12 is unbelievable. I think Kansas St coach said it best where they are playing 9 conference games and it’s hurting BIG12s playoff chances. I hope there is some more chaos and the BIG12 is left out to show how ridiculous the playoff setup is. From here on out have P4 conference auto bids to the playoffs with G5 play in opportunity vs lowest bid P4 schools. I’ve had enough with judging college football as if it’s a reality TV show like Dancing with the Stars.

[@Melodicroger]

Just a guess, maybe it was TCU (Big 12 champ) getting blown out by Georgia 65-7 two years ago…not saying that’s fact but I wonder if that rout colors the thinking of folks.

[@celtics182]

For all of the brand bias that Klatt complains about, his brand bias of Georgia is the only reason his playoff bracket issue makes any sense. If that game was played between Notre Dame, SMU or Indiana he would not be making this argument, and nobody else would be either the only reason that argument works is because Georgia is currently sitting there and the big 12 is weak this year. If the big 12 had a clear cut top team sitting up there, the argument that playing Boise State in the second round is nonexistent.

[@treysmith9371]

I would love to see some re-seeding. Maybe then we’ll get some SEC big 10 matchups

[@orangecrushhex]

I think the playoff format needs to be simplified. The committee takes the top 12 teams and puts them in the playoffs. The four highest ranked teams get a bye. The lowest ranked opponent that wins their initial playoff game gets to play the number 1 seed, and so on.

[@antoniomatthews4459]

Nope because that's subjective. Conference championships aren't subjective.

[@shaymicah4194]

You're trying to minimize how bad they lost to Ohio State 😂 And it's not working. That game was not close. And ND losing to N. Illinois was won by a field goal.

[@richarddaugherty7614]

Dude, reseeding in the second round sounds great until 1. It’s still going to be the same matchups really. It would still be Oregon Georgia. Just give conference Champions the auto bid and do away with giving them first round byes automatically. Now you are closer to a real seeding process. You can have Boise and Big 12 be 11 and 12, big ten champ 1. Texas 2. Big ten second would be 3. Notre Dame would be 4 or 5 depending on Penn State. The matchups wouldn’t even be that different.

[@jordanmadden7388]

Anyone else think the rankings would be different if it was still the 4 team format? As it stands right now you’d have 3 B10 teams in a 4 team playoff. No chance that would have happened. I think you’d probably see ND ahead of PSU for this reason alone.

[@ChrisBork-y6e]

Wait until the playoffs expand to 16, there will be people upset and lobbying for teams ranked 17-20 on why they are not in the tournament.