Joey's Take on the Paddle Float Re-Entry

[@ziamann]

Can I just say that Laura is freaking awesome?!?!?

[@TurningPointBoatworks]

Yes you can!

[@lauraphillips6512]

Awes shucks

[@jehjay2600]

I'd make another suggestion for Laura -- instead of thinking about "climbing" on to the deck -- try floating on the surface and "pulling the boat under your body" --- it's worked for many students I've had over the years.

[@TurningPointBoatworks]

Good point! The phrasing can change perceptions and remove mental blocks.

[@jehjay2600]

@@TurningPointBoatworks especially when the student thinks they lack the physical strength to do something that doesn't require as much strength as good technique... tell them to do something that doesn't require strength...

[@jimmurdy5762]

my experience as a bigger guy (225) is that the heel hook is more efficient and avoids a lot of the issues with PFD (especially if you have pockets full) interference that you get with getting on the back deck. as always people are different

[@lauraphillips6512]

I have broken a very expensive paddle doing the heel hook. It is a rescue I teach and will be utilizing the demonstrated version.

[@TurningPointBoatworks]

It is very effective done right. I am going to do an experiment to see if I can do it without a float for support. It is the fastest way of the three demonstrated by far.

[@FrankLadd]

Well done! That is not what I learned when I took my L2 instructor class, but it is a huge improvement over what I do. I'll have to try it out. I think in the class we just had to show what we did worked in less than 2 minutes and then had to break it down and show the steps we used.

[@TurningPointBoatworks]

Thank you! The first demonstration was what I learned a long time ago. The advent of the paddle under the rigging has broken many, many paddles and kayaks since. That, to me, creates the strong potential for failure in a real situation. If you only learn by tucking the paddle under the rigging, what do you fall back on if something breaks? I is my personal opinion that we should be teaching people to excel by giving them the right "tools", not just checking a box to say a skill was completed.

[@clasfriberg8435]

why is the floatdevice on the upside and not below the paddle?

[@maze400]

So when you say "no tuck" you mean under both perimeter lines? Because the paddle was tucked on the far side. I have a question about power face down vs. power face up. I always thought the power face down (spoon side) could cause a split if pushed?

[@TurningPointBoatworks]

Good questions. No tuck is a reference to the previous video about how to break your paddle. People are being taught to tuck under both lines and creating a stress point at the root of the blade. I’ve seen too many paddles being broken by doing it that way. As far as power face up or down, most composite euro paddle blades will have more strength in the power face side vs the back side. So, power face down it will have greater resistance to the stresses placed on both blades. Truthfully, the rescue done correctly, the paddle should only be support and not under full weight of the paddler.

[@robertnissenbaum]

If you have the tuck the paddle - far side only. That allows the kayak to rotate onto its edge (to a point) if too much downward pressure (weight) is placed on the paddle float. It's a physics thing as downward pressure on the float results in upward pressure on the other end of the blade, and yes, I have seen a number break this way - BUT it is FAR safer than tucking under the near end. When I teach it, the technique is to NOT tuck any portion of the paddle and there are a few variations on this. It's my preferred method as in bigger sea states, the risk of breaking a paddle increases. When paddlers struggle to hold the paddle with float and not tuck it, I work with them to keep their body, weight, and all pressure on the paddle shaft as close to the hull as possible.

[@pabloenriquetirabassi7060]

Happy to find this different video, which shows the practice performed by ordinary people and not by athletes. It is very important to use the vest intelligently (there are times when it can be harmful).👏👏👏I have already subscribed to your channel.

[@TurningPointBoatworks]

Thank you! I felt it was important to present options so that people of all abilities can find something that works. Thank you for the excellent feedback!

[@cammitchell5732]

Fantastic example of good leadership

[@TurningPointBoatworks]

Thank you!

[@robertkerner4833]

First method is the one that works for me. Robert N showed it in a video earlier in the year. Tucking might pose a problem once you are back in and now the paddle is hung up in the rigging.

[@TurningPointBoatworks]

You are right! pulling the paddle back out in conditions that caused you to capsize in the first place can be hard. It can also be a leaver to put you back in the water as well. Good observation!

[@PaddleDogC5]

Another flat water demo😢 Try in 2-3' chop . How many capsize in flat water?

[@TurningPointBoatworks]

So, have you filmed anything in a 2-3’ chop? This was just a demonstration. I try to keep things positive on social media and the comment above comes off as negative. In my time as an instructor, we always teach and practice in the flat and then move into more challenging conditions. This is where technique and efficiency come into play. It is also the primary reason for this video to show alternate ways of doing the self rescue and break down in an efficient manner while preserving the paddle from excess stress.

[@PaddleDogC5]

@@TurningPointBoatworks people may get over confident thinking they can get back in. Then it's rough and they can't get back in. Even 12" bay chop is a game changer.

[@TurningPointBoatworks]

@@PaddleDogC5 , again as I said in my reply. I teach in flat water and move to more appropriate conditions to illustrate the difficulty. To pass a paddler certification or instructor certification, self rescues must be performed in the appropriate conditions. The purpose of this video…. Never mind, you’re not going to read this and if you do, you’ll find an issue to point out. Yes, there is the Dunning Kruger effect, but the vast majority does not suffer from that and may benefit from seeing alternate ways of performing the PFR from the way that a lot of instructors teach it that leads to paddle breakage.

[@PaddleDogC5]

@@TurningPointBoatworks I read it great post up a rough water paddle float rescue. Thanks

[@martin.feuchtwanger]

Well done for pointing out that PFDs can get in the way of any climb-aboard maneuver. But you need to address the problem of when and how to both remove and then re-wear the PFD. (Also, didn't she push off the bottom?)

[@The_Tradie_Trainer]

Get a new PFD that doesn’t inhibit it, or find a way to work around the inhibition of the PFD. Taking your PFD off sounds like a good way to end up as a swimmer with no kayak or buoyancy aid.

[@FredZacharias-pt3bs]

Well done Joey and Laura!!.. I learned several things with this demo!!🚣🏽‍♂️🍺