John Canzano Discusses How The Pac-12 Can Survive | 11/15/23

[@SacTownLions0]

OSU and WSU should definitely get all Pac 12 Revenue (the other 10 teams left on their own). Then, they should totally add teams to make a new Pac 8 or 10 with MWC teams.

[@erikjohnson6302]

Rebuild it with what teams? The mountain west teams? That is already called the Mountain West conference.

[@NoIwont]

Oregon State Washington State Boise State Montana State Nevada State Wyoming State San Jose State Fresno State San Diego State Utah State New Mexico State Colorado State Notre Dame State Clemson State Iowa State 😂🎉😮

[@josephine-j1p]

@@NoIwont Montana State will not elevate from FCS.......Neither will North Dakota State. Boise State and San Diego State are the keys........UNLV is far better than Nevada Reno........I would try and include Air Force. Don't forget Harvard A&M........LOL........The men with the white coats will be arriving soon!!!!

[@NoIwont]

@@josephine-j1p Men in white coats? Is that what they call "bankers" with armloads of operating cash in hand? 😎

[@DocSkirv]

The conference merry go round is just getting started. Lots of conferences will jettison programs soon and bigger programs will continue to leave for more money. So there will be plenty of schools looking for a new home in the next 24-48 months. OSU and WSU caught the “treasonous ten” off kilter and will win the lawsuit, or settle for huge money. They will have financial resources to rebuild and reload. Take some Mountain West upper tier market/teams such as San Diego State and some AAC upper tier such as Tulane, and then pick off some of the jettisoned B10 and B12 schools and a really compelling conference could be an outcome.

[@Meme-zc4cw]

​@@DocSkirvExactly! One person who actually gets what is happening. WSU and Oregon State are just the first victims. Big 12 and ACC fans should be nervous. Schools like Iowa State, K-State, basically all of the Big 12 and most of the ACC are up next. Those schools (by current definition, not mine) bring very little "brand" power. The Big 12 is little better than the Mountain West or AAC. I think the rebuild of the Pac could very well include many of these schools that are on the next chopping block. If the Big 12 was smart, they would add these two schools as WSU actually has a pretty decent TV draw. Much higher than half the current Pac 12 schools, and higher than most Big 12.

[@PPyle]

Huge Oregon Ducks fan! HOWEVER, I feel that all the schools who left shouldn't get anything, just like all the schools said when USC and UCLA first announced they were leaving.

[@stephenbird5472]

I think the most important part of the decision yesterday was that WSU/OSU have leverage in a negotiated deal. It will never make appeal because there are no grounds for an appeal. The ten are stalling and know that the longer the PAC waits the more harmful it is to them. Something should happen soon! Best for everybody!

[@827dusty]

Absolutely incorrect.

[@vinnieromano1336]

Not a P5 League.

[@Meme-zc4cw]

Neither should the Big 12 or ACC be after FSU, and Clemson leave. The Big 12 definitely shouldn't be with Oklahoma and Texas leaving.

[@vinnieromano1336]

TCU just played in a Championship. Yes got beat bad, but beat Michigan to get there. WVU has been down but has won 3 BCS Bowl games over Sec Champs Georgia, Clemson and Oklahoma.No way that new Pac 12 deserves to be a P5 league. Those other leagues will take away their automatic bid to the playoffs.

[@Meme-zc4cw]

@@vinnieromano1336 TCU wasn't even close to be competitive. That was embarrassing and the Big 12 should take a "let's never speak of this ever again" stance. It was the equivalent to a Group of 5 school playing in the NC game. WVU is at the same level as far as "brand" as Oregon State and WSU. Only alumni are fans. They are not a big TV draw. WSU garners higher ratings. Where everyone else is talking out TV draw and brands, you are talking about competitiveness on the field. You have old school thinking. You think Cal and Stanford are in the ACC because of their competitiveness on the field? What about Colorado or ASU? No, it has nothing to do with it. You need to understand what is actually going on here.

[@Meme-zc4cw]

I know emotions have no place here, it's all business and I get that, BUT, let WSU and Oregon State try to survive. The departing will do just fine, especially the ones going to the Big 10. They will have a boat load of money coming their way in a few years and they are going to thrive. In WSU's case, they may not survive this if they don't get this money. If they were to join the Mountain West, the existing TV deal will give about $4 million a year. It may be that they don't have enough funding to support enough athletic programs to qualify as an FBS school. Hopefully Oregon State is in a better position, but WSU COULD end up in the Big Sky. I just think it is a dick move for these departing schools. It's one thing if it was just surplus money that would go into some general fund but in the case of WSU, the stakes are much greater.

[@827dusty]

Regaurdless of today's decision, the 10 member schools leaving, can, by California law, move to dissolve the conference, thereby sending all assets back to the 12 member schools, including the 10 schools leaving for The Big ten and twelve. A settlement looks likely instead of an apeal.

[@insertjokeh3r3]

State law really shouldn’t matter here and they don’t have the right to vote to dissolve it either since they waived away voting rights.

[@adriangalo3813]

Don't trust this guy!

[@JGKrump]

#GoCougs #GoBeavs

[@Matt-hl5vm]

OMG let the dead dog lie!

[@michaelknapp8961]

I met a beaver fan yesterday at Fred Meyer’s. All I simply asked him was if he was gonna watch the civil war game on Friday night? He flipped out on me!!!! He got nasty and yelled at me that Oregon is leaving the Pac-12 because they are money hungry. Oregon is leaving the Pac-12 because the conference was mismanaged and they had no choice!!! Kliavkav and Scott ran the conference into the ground. The demise of the Pac-12 is a kick in the gut to everyone. It was survival of the fittest this year.

[@pedrogudino1133]

Like, that's how it should be.

[@insertjokeh3r3]

There was a choice and it was fixable if everyone got together and voted useless leaders out and put someone decent in charge. Sure you might need to weather a few problems but it would get fixed in a year or two and everything would be fine.

[@jgbwrestling]

I agree you get a new commissioner you don’t just leave I hope the judge sides with WSU and OSU and lands all the revenue then we’ll see who has the last laugh

[@fishmojo865]

I can’t see Jonathan Smith sticking around for this uncertainty and watered down conference. He is too good to stay at a tier 2 school. I bet he moves on to UCLA when they let Chip go. Sad situation for OSU and WSU.

[@NoIwont]

You know what's sadder...UCLA. 😆

[@PPyle]

Jonathan Smith won't go to UCLA, that school sucks for football. He will leave, but it will be a much better gig than UCLA.

[@shallojalloh]

Jonathan Smith wont leave his alma mater high and dry. You're talking crazy..

[@Meme-zc4cw]

​@@PPyleWhat about Texas A&M? I hope to God no rumors start about him going there. That crap may have been what imploded WSU's season. That and the one trick pony offense with no adjustments after defenses figured them out. 😂

[@johnathanlemus5584]

@@shallojallohwho’s the Head coach of MSU now? Jonathan Smith. Its Joever for OSU

[@tomthatcher7757]

This guy has no credibility.

[@JohnSmith-vy7ck]

He’s got more credibility than Tom. 😂

[@NoIwont]

Agreed...canzono is a duck homer trying to help the Pac2 fumble along. I hate what the Oregon muckymucks did to my school, left them hung out to dry. Letting 130 yrs of conference history go, an interstate rivalry tossed aside for greener pastures. Fans saying, "if you were in our position, you would have done the same." What does that even mean? Beavz would NOT have done the same. Pac12 til the day were dead.

[@PPyle]

@@NoIwont Blame USC not Oregon. The Ducks were forced to survive when UCLA, USC and Colorado all jumped ship.

[@upstatebernie4827]

Canzano is a joke. Why would anyone have this guy on their show? Poor judgement Dan!

[@Awalker5000]

I agree, been watching this guy for a couple of years. He not quite up to speed about what is going on. 1st) The Appeal was filed with the Washington State Supreme Court this morning. 2nd) Which is interesting in the court proceedings. The PAC12 is a "Unincorporated Association" based in California (Head Offices are located in San Francisco), so then, this 'association' has to follow California Corporate Code 18410 (b) " If the association's governing documents do not provide a method for dissolution, by the affirmative vote of a majority of the voting power of the association.".. So right now, WSU and Oregon St. is playing a very dangerous game.

[@troyfoster6004]

@@Awalker5000 The Beavers and Cougars won this battle. The section of the California Corporate Code you cite says it can be dissolved "by the affirmative vote of a majority of the voting power of the association." It was affirmed by the judge that the voting power rests with OSU and WSU. The 10 departing schools no longer have any voting power. Go Beavers!

[@JK-br1mu]

Canzano's kind of a clown out here. Some sissies made up a faux-controversy over the Oregon/Oregon State game being called "The Civil War", as if that was too violent, and he just went along with it..........kind of an empty, cowardly suit.

[@troyfoster6004]

He actually has written columns and said many times there is nothing controversial about calling that rivalry game the "Civil War." That decision was made at the height of the George Floyd protests/riots in 2020. Canzano was working for The Oregonian at the time, which will no longer even mention the game used to be called the Civil War. Since Canzano went independent with his own substack he has lamented at the effort to erase that term.

[@PPyle]

Oregon State Washington State Boise State San Diego State UNLV Nevada Fresno State Colorado State Utah State Wyoming Air Force Hawaii (Leave out New Mexico and San Jose State)

[@shallojalloh]

Remove: Hawaii (no stadium and increased travel cost) Nevada (no added value) Add: San Jose State (new stadium and Bay area location New Mexico (easier travel than Hawaii and familiarity)

[@Meme-zc4cw]

That's not a bad league, but what about picking up Tulane if we could get them?

[@get2choppa]

a conference of a bunch of who cares teams

[@insertjokeh3r3]

No leaving out teams. Dont act like usc and shit trying to gut a conference.

[@william7286]

Oregon State and Washington State cannot play in a conference of two members - they will be forced to compete as Independents. Let's get real. There will likely be a settlement where the departing Pac-12 members take with them smaller revenue shares, while OSU and WSU join a Mountain West with a significantly better media rights deal. It will be in the interest of the Big Ten, Big 12, and ACC to help OSU and WSU make a soft landing, financially - rather than potentially lose out on any Pac-12 revenue and face competing with limited funds from their new leagues.

[@rwillson291]

Huh? WSU and OSU just won the court battle for control of the PAC 12. Yes, their 2024 football schedules will look like those of independents, but they are in control of rebuilding the conference. Look for either a re-branded Mountain West with OSU and WSU, or something that the college football world has never seen before, such as the bizarre structure of the 2024 ACC games. WSU and OSU are not about to allow the departing Pac 12 schools to raid the conference funds.

[@craiganderson8569]

This is incorrect. NCAA bylaws allow the two schools to play as a 2 team conference for 2 years. Then they have to get back to 8.

[@TheLAGopher]

@@craiganderson8569 While NCAA bylaws may allow WSU and OSU to say they are in a 2 team conference for two years, they can't play a nine game conference schedule against themselves.They are going to have to schedule as if they were independent unless they work out a Notre Dame like deal where a conference agrees to let it's teams fill up most of what would have been WSU and OSU conference schedules. Maybe the Mountain West does that, but they will want something in return such as the security of WSU and OSU joining their conference in 2026 or those schools being taken into the PAC in 2026.

[@zachmillang2903]

They won't join the MWC. In all likehlihood, they will complete a reverse merger with the MWC to keep the PAC 12 name and assets. So essentially, the will be joining the MWC but via a different approach.

[@JohnSmith-vy7ck]

You should go to law school. 😂