John Deere 1270G vs. Ponsse Scorpion King

[@LG-bl8yl]

Good video from somebody who actually ran both machines. We are running a new scorpian king and totally agree with the points you made.

[@paavo2525]

Both made in Finland. Proud

[@reup5962]

Molemmilla on tehtaat suomessa

[@repairsecrets]

That's a very well done and well thought out review of both machines. The visuals illustrate the narrative perfectly. It was a joy to watch and listen.

[@oranaenterprises]

What a great review. Thanks for your efforts... we have no wheeled harvesters but have a few 895 and Elephant King forwarders.... I'm looking forward to a chance to do a good side by side soon as we'll have both on one site for the first time. I like what you did here.

[@danfuhrer7994]

Very nicely done video and good comments. It would be nice to see more videos like this of actual operators comparing two machines and listing their good points and maybe not so good points

[@Terry_Mann]

Thanks Dan! It was great to get the chance to compare them on the same job!

[@henrysteele9840]

I hope to some day be as skilled at something as you are at operating your Ponsse, really incredible to watch.

[@danrasmussen4658]

Nice video good feedback. I have a 1270d, the 1270 does have a proposional on head till but u have to hit 2 buttons not as easy as ponsse . I have demoed a ergo with h7, I loved the controls on the ergo compared to the jd. 1270 compared to ergo I prefer the 1270 just for the fact of leveling cab huge difference for comfortably. I like ponsse service and parts better. I would definitely consider a scorpion for a next machine if i stay with a wheeled harvester.

[@mikehonkala]

I came out of a 1270 to the scorpion. Very well stated points, I agree. Three years in the scorpion and still Loving it. I'd like an H8 head frame if they ever allow it and a bit more leg room. Met you at the demo in Rhinelander a few years ago. We bought ours a few weeks after that.

[@Terry_Mann]

I'd probably remember you if I saw you. Met a lot of folks at that demo. My buddy Chris and I went out that Sunday and finished cutting that site with the scorpion. Pretty much made our mind up on a Scorpion then. Awesome machine!!

[@GreatLakesLogger]

Well, now they built a scorpion to accommodate the h8. I've been told there's an original Scorpion king running in Scotland with an h8 on it from the factory due to an assembly line error. According to Brad Brown, they've had zero issues with it, but they still don't want to put a h8 on a King. I think if I bought a used scorpion, I would definitely look for a used h8, or buy a new one and hang it myself. At this point however, I much prefer to sit still behind the crane in a ergo or bear style machine, and have unparalleled vision to the sides. The crane out front allows better maneuverability in tight thinnings, and you quickly tune it out to the point you never think about it blocking sight. That said, I have done little more than sit in a scorpion, and if nothing else, I'm sure I would love the side levelling and the active stabilization.

[@blkdog229]

Well done video. I'm a big fan of these logging systems (regardless of manufacturer) due to the low impact they have on the forest. Your skill running the machine is obvious from the video. Keep up the good work!

[@JohnSmith-cy9tt]

Scandinavia rules the forest machines totally ...Finland and some Swedish are the one you will love to work with for sure...

[@JlhIncExcavation]

Haven't ran either one but agree about nicer cab setup on ponsse. The boom dead center on JD would be terrible!! Timing issue on head with JD seems bad too. Correct, Wheels on JD are like chipper, get plugged with wood constantly.

[@intraceestiforest]

13,5 years on Ponsses compared to 1 day on John Deere... Not that bad results. John Deere seems quite impressive in that regard.

[@Terry_Mann]

Dimitri Kitsing it was a very powerful machine and I did like a lot of things about it. I would not be happy with the control handles though. I like having the buttons on the handle. We have a lot of defect in our timber at times so we need to multifunction with the knives and feed rolls a lot. It was a lot harder to do that with the JD. But it’s $80k cheaper than a scorpion! Our Ponsse dealer is also a lot better that JD or komatsu so that is a huge factor.

[@glengorman1]

Brilliant review 👌

[@gregnilson1]

Good review. Next, try a 8H GTE! ;)

[@HarvesterForwarderMore]

Nice video!!!!

[@td6460]

I agree with Sawyer!

[@elliothytinen5712]

THANK YOU FOR A HONEST REVIEW!! First one I have seen that a operator did, and used the language we understand. Not sales man bs.

[@SteveSnowman]

Nice review.

[@billyproctor9714]

Thanks for making this video for us, very informative. I'm an old retired guy and only played in these machines a few hours. Can you tell me how long a chain land bar lasts and frequency of sharpening typically. Can you sharpen in place or change out in order? Thanks, Cheers, Billy in Canada

[@Terry_Mann]

The bars usually last around a couple months and need ground every week. The chains can be sharpened by hand on the machine just like a chain saw but we usually sharpen them on a grinder. Usually change 1-2 chains per day. They can be sharpened sometimes up to 10 times before they need replaced.

[@billyproctor9714]

@@Terry_Mann Thanks for your reply, Cheers and be safe in these times, Billy

[@DRDWISCONSIN]

In your opinion do you prefer Rubber tire or track machines? If you had to chose. We have a Ponsse ergo and when cutting first thinning pine it’s a pain because the book is right where you need to see to drop the tree, i defiantly would love to have a scorpion king man, awesome machine no way around it.

[@Terry_Mann]

Spencer Steinhauer overall I really prefer wheeled machines. I would go with a Scorpion King for thinnings unless it’s extremely steep.

[@Polad83]

I am just wondering would you please help me I need some advice?☺️🙏

[@baumgaming4934]

Im really looking for a job operating one of these bad boys right now im stuck at a wood mill running a jc40 jib crane.

[@skogsforum]

Hi, nice video! What is the average stem volume on that site, in m3?

[@Terry_Mann]

Thanks! Average is probably 0.35 m3. But there are some that are 1.5 m3.

[@skogsforum]

PonsseMann Cool. That is quite different from thinning stands here in Sweden. No wonder you go for H7, H415 and similar. Where are you located?

[@Terry_Mann]

We’re in Roseburg, Oregon USA. We do a lot of small first thinning with .2 m3 average timber as well. If that’s all we did I’d want an H5 or H6 but we get into bigger stuff too. I’ve had jobs with a lot of 2-5 m3 trees! Biggest tree I ever cut with an H7 was 9.9 m3, it had a fork so it was almost like two trees. I had to cut it about five different times to fall it!!

[@skogsforum]

Very interesting! Looking forward to see more great vids from you!

[@gewebegott]

Oh man I wish I was in some decent wood right now. I am flattening some jackpine avg is .08 per stem. I am in a komatsu 941 with c144head.

[@Speedbird2037]

What happens to the wood from the trees when you have cut them down with you Tree harvesting machines do they go through a sawmill? do they go into Ikea furniture products for example? or do they go into luxury car interior's like BMW's etc? in other words do you know where the wood you have cut down from your forest is going to end up as far as an everyday product is concerned?

[@Terry_Mann]

The bigger logs usually go for studs (2x4 or 2x6 framing lumber) if they’re really nice quality they might go for veneer (they will be peeled to make plywood). The smaller diameter wood will get chipped to make cardboard or paper products. Sometimes we will cut logs for fence posts or firewood. A lot of the woods chips will end up in Japan or China.

[@Speedbird2037]

Thank you for that reply one last question? how does having a Tree harvesting machine like the Ponsse Scorpion make logging safer than the old fashioned way of using a Chainsaw and standing right next to a tree when you're cutting it down? how do the two compare? and how old are these trees when you have cut them down?

[@Terry_Mann]

Yes it’s much safer with this newer technology. But also more efficient. It’s very hard to make money thinning smaller timber with chainsaws. We usually thin trees anywhere from 25 years old up to 65 years old. Sometimes we do three different thinnings before final harvest. Most timber companies around here do final harvest anywhere from 45 years to 80 years. The timber in the video is 47 years old.

[@jaredskeans5385]

I know the guy that bought that 1270G for 250k less then a new scorpion.

[@Terry_Mann]

Yeah but the 1270 is a used machine after being demoed. Pape quoted us $585k on a brand new one and the new Scorpion King is $665k. A new Ergo is around $645k. But pape is $150k lower on their trade in prices than Ponsse is so Ponsse is actually a lot cheaper in the long run.

[@jaredskeans5385]

PonsseMann I got a quote on a tier 4 which is what they can bring in at 750k

[@zyfzyfzyfzyfzyfzyf]

@@Terry_Mann What make Ponsse cheaper in the long run?

[@roniehuddleston8364]

i have sandy ground, so i am struggling between track or wheeled. Any thought on which is better?

[@humushumus2219]

I suggest you avoid taking advice from KZbin.

[@GreatLakesLogger]

Scorpion all day long. The JD needs some teeth on the wheels and the head needs revalved to accommodate proportional control. Plus our JD dealer is garbage.

[@guccigang3223]

and what will happen to the trees after cutting down?

[@stevenharkness9925]

Would the machine cut multiple lengths and what kind of production can it do in a 12hr shift

[@GreatLakesLogger]

Any length can be programmed based on diameter and calculated stem value. If you have crooked wood it is easier to manually select length and quality rather than allow the computer optimize as the computer cannot see stem defect.

[@Polad83]

Are you base in UK?

[@Terry_Mann]

Oregon, USA

[@perrysmith6872]

I never c them working hard wood of any kind . Will they handle hard wood ?

[@Terry_Mann]

Perry Smith they work well in hardwood. Many of them working around the world in hardwood all the time.

[@brennantrainor7153]

Hilarious! A "fair comparison" by a person posting a video calling himself "PonsseMann". Hmmm.. are you subtle wonderings and questions about Deere, only about Deere, or are you leaving out possible wonderings and questions about Ponsse - PonsseMan?

[@MikkoRantalainen]

Thanks, that was interesting comparision video. Meanwhile in Finland: Ponsse Scorpion K H7 AC FC kzbin.info/www/bejne/mn68nHSrmZeYfZI (The drive keeps commenting in Finnish only but the video shows pretty clearly what happens.) Here's another video that shows how he controls the machine - the hands never leave the joysticks/controllers and you get some idea how many customizable buttons there are under your fingertips - and the driver keeps talking while doing all the stuff that so it must feel simple for him: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6myZ6aIiq-Ygdk The driver explains in Finnish how parts of each tree go to different piles according to width of trunk (if minimum width of a single trunk is 22-45 cm it's one pile, if it's between 18-22 cm another, if it's between 15-18 cm yet another and smaller than 15 cm or if the trunk is not straight enough goes to pulp material pile). And each width category has different minimum and maximum length and the driver tries to optimize the value of the whole cut (e.g. it may be better to have two trunks 23 cm and 4 meters than one 23 cm 5.8 meter trunk and another 19 cm and 5 meter trunk. The latter option pays less and a highly skilled driver does this optimization on the fly while harvesting. And they input those details into the computer (I think the driver of that video has separate button for each category and different buttons for each standardized cut length). It appears that he also runs some automation program that automatically switches to different default cut length when the measured width of the trunk gets smaller.

[@JohnSmith-cy9tt]

Ponsse Scorpion is the King for sure -

[@edgarsdumbrovskis6179]

Nice😊😊😊

[@darrenkiely5202]

Just outta curiousity how much timber can you cut in an hour with the ponsse

[@Terry_Mann]

It all depends on the timber. We cut anywhere from 100-600 tons per day.

[@JohnSmith-cy9tt]

Just that boom on the 1270 is freaking me out....no sight at all

[@tol7488]

reverse without a camera? design.. under passenger pod joint update.. pips problems? leaking hydraulic oil all the time? design..

[@TheMightyBasking]

Can someone count how many times he said umm😂

[@klaudheath2665]

Given all the valuable info given the umms are irrelevant

[@themonster6794]

Salut Faudrait mettre un peu de dépassement de coupe

[@Terry_Mann]

Oui, j'ai travaillé très fort après avoir fait la vidéo. Je n'ai pas eu beaucoup d'aide de la part des gens de John Deere donc j'ai dû apprendre par moi-même.

[@johnmacneill7489]

i'm going to be running a ponsse anyone have any tips

[@Terry_Mann]

Where are you located?

[@Polad83]

It was great explanation,I am brand new and I want start business, I learned something, please help me.

[@YPO6]

Price 500k new.

[@Terry_Mann]

New 1270G is $585k, new Scorpion King is $670k

[@许龙-k1m]

如何联系

[@DIESELPOWER-AUSTRIA]

You need a Bear

[@Terry_Mann]

The bear has a lot of power but it's to big for most of the thinnings we do. I've spent a quite a bit of time in one. In the right place they are incredible!

[@axelamcoff6162]

Use the god dam 1470g

[@Terry_Mann]

BLACKAXEL 2, it wouldn’t be fair to compare a 1470 to a scorpion, it’s a way bigger size class machine. It would be interesting to compare a 1470 to a Bear and a 951 though.

[@mrpoool1015]

Umm

[@kevinneedy8068]

Quit saying "um "

[@вадимлюличкин-г7п]

джон дир брака напилил им только дрова для бани готовить

[@themonster6794]

Sur la john deere

[@caityist]

Amateur !!!!!!!

[@aritiihonen7741]

how much Ponsse paid for advertising. a little lost in deere with regard to technology. I've been driving 17 years Deere's forest machines. some of the comments suggest that you did not make a lot of wood on the john Deere forest machine

[@henrysteele9840]

He demoed it for a week or two, he mentions it and gives reverence to the fact that some of the things he's missing may be possible but he hadn't found a way to do them.