John Deere 9510 vs Fendt 1167 || Surprising Results

[@therodian96]

As a German, I am of course delighted when an American farmer appreciates German equipment. The best tillage equipment comes mainly from Europe, most of it from Germany. Lemken is a good company, tillage equipment is not their strongest point except when it comes to ploughs but the Karat is quite good. If you ever have the chance to demo a Horsch Tiger or Köckerling Vector, do it, you will love it.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I’ll have to look into that for next year. I’m glad you liked the video. We love lemken on our farm. We have 3 of there machines

[@2chipped]

Absolutely not your fault. But these comparisons especially in the performance department, are apples to donkeys. Track widths, total weight,age and options are huge metrics . 1.5 mph difference @+ 4.5 mph is 33%,fuel 25/29is only 18%. According to Mike Mitchell a Fendt cannot go a full long day on fuel/def,but will get more acreage done based off the increase in speed. The former are all performance. Now to ergonomics. You being 6'6 an uncomfortable.....is me 20 yrs ago in an R# Mac on a dump trailer with no air ride (frame or seat) on no-till...running silage to a pit. Every 2 hrs I took 15 minutes to stop the world from shaking 😅. Cost per acre isn't even the best metric,our 801 Jubilee was cost effective...but with a freeze coming would be pissing in the wind. In the end I really enjoyed the comparison. Have you ever noticed motor trend will compare Ford/Chevy/Ram using different engines, and chassis....but never all crewcab 4x4 with same gearing and closest engine size?

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

This was the closest comparison we could get you never going to get an exact comparison because John Deere, and Fendt, don’t make the exact same machine. I’m glad you enjoyed the video. I’m going to try and do another one in the spring, hopefully with all new tractors.

[@robertstanze6402]

German tillage equipment is by far top tier compared to North American built machines. I may be a little bias as my dad came from Germany and that my family is to my knowledge the only dealer for Kockerling tillage tools in North America. We are based in southern Manitoba, Canada!

[@therodian96]

@@robertstanze6402 oh that‘s cool, the Köckerling machines are actually built 20 kilometres from our farm here in Germany. They make great equipment, the tools for shallow tillage they make, the Allrounder and Vario are the best one the market.

[@adrianzehentner6818]

20% faster but only ~ 8% more fuel... Sounds to me like a point for the Fendt.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Except it’s way more expensive

[@alex-q8-q9]

@@RockyMountainFarmer except you can’t repair the John yourself

[@FelixEbering-kj2wl]

@@RockyMountainFarmer You should use less fuel per acer with the fendt couse you able to do more acer with in that one hour compared to the John Deere.

[@jrod264winmag]

@@alex-q8-q9you absolutely CAN repair the Deere. They just don't want you to hack their software. You guys kill me.

[@heavyweight6440]

@@jrod264winmag Its not hacking. Wtf?!

[@wf1000]

Nice Video. Just a few thoughts on the comparison. Mick Michell compares the pulling power of the 1167 with the 9R620 after using it for 2 years. Compare IVT with IVT. Its more fair. (Why doesn’t semi’s have ivt gearboxes?) If you use gallons/acre instead of gallons/hour it makes the real comparison easier. The workspeed doesn’t rise linearly with horsepower. More speed more friction,more horsepower needed. My last thought,remember that no company really care for any of us farmers,they care about the stakeholders and profit margins. The only way to keep them in check is to not do their marketing on their behalf. Maybe if there were better/more competition in the market,the prices on equipment would go down. Have a great day,greetings from South Africa.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Thanks for the input. Glad you enjoyed it

[@TheSnafflepup]

Great video really like seeing real world tests from real farmers.All the deeres I've driven have had nice cabs and I much prefer power shift over cvt I have more control over wet conditions.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I agree. I’m glad you like the video.

[@MK-xc9to]

Do the math , 510HP = 4.9 670 HP = 6.2/6.3 , there is not really a surprise , the Fendt could be a bit faster = 0,1 /0,2 but it has a bigger = heavier motor , more hyraulic access points and a slightly sturdier Frame due to the 160 HP more ( i guess ) = more weight = 10-15 HP could be attributed to that . For your 8 mph dream you need at least 200 - 220 HP more than the Fendt has ( if its linear , but your Test shows that 160 HP more = 1,2 / 1.3 mph more . It scales not perfect because more HP = sturdier heavier Frame , bigger Tracks , but in general it fits

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Yeah, that makes sense

[@vivien_hardgas]

maybe 220hp more will work but the needed HP for a Chisel/Cultivator at max deph goes up exponential as you increase width or speed.

[@steveducell2158]

The Fendt has that Vario Transmission which depends on two large hydraulic pumps. I have always wondered if the Vario Transmission sucks up more HP then the more common "clutch-pack" transmission. Perhaps someone knows more.

[@vivien_hardgas]

@@steveducell2158 the losses are at least in todays cvt and vario gearboxes mininal and more or less equal to normal clutchpack gearboxes. in heavy duty work like deep plowing or chiseling the clutchpack has still an advantige in term of raw pulling power and losses inside the transmission..

[@MannLorèn-n8r]

Finally someone to make a LITTLE sense in this conversation. Your man Mike mitchell blew this conversation trying to niggah everyone and now it is getting straight here again. Thanks for making solid content.

[@simonvermeiren6220]

Hi, I'm a Belgian farmer, I discovered your videos and I love it. One day, you should try to use the Itec on the John Deere, it's very simple to use and it only takes 2 second to activate. I rum my third tractor with it and now i can't work without. (Sorry for the mistakes, Emglish isn't my first languages)

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I think I’m going to try to figure that out next year I really liked that feature on the Fendt

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I’m glad you liked the videos

[@markam306]

Simon, your English is fine. Your comment is appreciated.

[@essexfarmer9610]

Better than my Flemish!

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I just appreciate all the comments

[@claterpillar1]

Gallons per acre is what we need to know.

[@MichaelWilliams-ub3ow]

I calculate consumption about 2.5 gallons/ acre for the Deere and 2.2 gallons/acre for the Fendt. So, for a 100 acre day, save 30 gallons and at least a quarter of the Deere's time with the Fendt. Buy the Fendt and instal a John Deere seat!

[@bigtractorpower]

New subscriber. Nice field time with both tractors. The Lemon is impressive.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I’m glad you enjoyed it

[@xuser48]

Lemken?

[@MountainsMulletsMerica]

I spend most of time living vicariously through other farmers but I would love to one day be able to compare tractors side by side like this! Thanks you for making this video! As a viewer I need some help on a couple of things relative to this test. You mentioned the fendt was 160 hp more than the Deere which is misleading. Your Deere has a max power in the ballpark of 560 hp at 1900(ish) rpm. While the fendt is 670 at the engine, certainly some of that is lost through the drive train making your available hp much closer than you lead viewers to believe. With that in mind, what would you say your expectation was for a speed difference between the 2 machines? From the couple of quick clips you showed in each tractor I’m seeing the fendt pulling at >20% faster….. Do you have seat time in a more current production 620hp Deere or case tractor? I don’t recall you mentioning slip% between either tractor. How did you determine true ground speed of each machine? The number in the Deere pillar is not true ground speed… While you provide quantitative performance data, the data feels very “seat of your pants”. Do you have access to any 3rd party tools (farm mobile pucs for example) that would allow you to build performance averages over time to take the “seat of the pants” feel and emotion out of the comparison? Do you know the weight of each tractor? You have 5000+ hours running the Deere. How many hours do you have running the 1167? Who trained you on optimization of the tractor? Overall great video that I found entertaining and enjoyed watching. Just looking for a bit of additional context around the comparison.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I did not know at the time that the fence was losing so much power because of the transmission I was just going off of what the horsepower numbers were I know now that they were closer and horsepower than I thought. I have never driven a new John Deere that has more horsepower than our 9510. I don’t recall either of the tractors having much if any slippage. And the ground speed of the tractors was what was on the monitors. I don’t have any access to performance monitors overtime, because that was just a demo of the Fendt. I know the tractors were similar in weight, but I’m not sure what that weight was and the Fendt was brought out and set up by the dealer and they showed me how to run it for about an hour. I only ran the 1167 for about eight hours. I know there was a lot of stuff left out of the video. It’s hard to get every little detail into the videos, but I am going to be doing another comparison video this spring when we start planting between a Fendt a John Deere, and a case, all new tractors.

[@4schitzangiggles]

Nice thing with a John Deere is how the really nice things are a subscription service. I mean who doesn't like paying for a house and renting the access to the bathroom... Oh and you have to use their cleaning service to vacuum your floors or only use their handyman service for repairs or maintenance, because why would anyone want to do their own maintenance? Stop being poor... Our local Deere dealer is a joke and I'll never buy another mower let alone a real tractor from them. C&B Operations can go and choke on a potato. The New Holland Dealer treats everyone like they are the most important customer and when I have to send my wife in for parts, they treat her like she's the one running the show. The Deere dealer treated her like a child and was very patronizing towards her when they'd hand her a part and she was like this wasn't what was asked for. They would tell her "this is what we do for a living, she'd bring the part they gave her and I'd end up going back to get the part I sent her for and they'd argue the part they gave was the one that was needed, I'd put the old part on the counter and their part wasn't the one to fit the tractor we were using. Not even close. We run 20-40 acres and yes it isn't much but I've got customers that run 10-12 thousand acres that Deere treated just like me.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I definitely understand that when you buy a tractor you’re really paying for service, so yeah if your dealer treats you like crap I would go to a different brand the dealer we have here treats us pretty well and is very quick to get things fixed.

[@ericberman4193]

I don’t farm (I build hospitals) but I found your video very interesting and well done. Good to learn a little bit about something as important as farming. Thanks for producing!

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@patrickburgmeier7902]

On the Jd, I use the auto shift feature. To use that, push the f1 button then use the thumb wheel on the shift lever, to set your target speed in mph. The tractor then takes over the transmission control and throttle control to reach the target speed. The tractor is the most efficient this way. Fendt does the same thing, but it is a ctv or as jd would say ivt transmission. You don't need to access the headland management to use the auto shift feature in the Deere. The 1167 has a good 100 horsepower more then the 510 jd. The 9620r jd comes more close in horsepower.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I will have to try that. I am going to try to get a closer hp comparison in the spring.

[@justindrewery3531]

ITS an E23 transmission 😂

[@DanWoelders-fd5zd]

You can play with the fendt tms settings and get that thing to pull way better. Everyone I know that runs those 1100 fendts to the 9r Deeres say those fendts out pull the Deeres any day of the week even comparing to a 9620r but the fendts have a shit ton of settings you really need to know how to use. Many things that can limit your power output

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I just let the dealer set it up because I didn’t know how.

[@shaker8984]

It does not outpull 9620R(X btw). It's simllar at low spead air drill seeding but still its pumping more HP. Moreover Vario is a great transmission, but the power loss is very noticable and you cannot just fix it. It's still the best transmission for grain carting but heavy pulling - there are way better options .

[@SWAM-B]

Man, i love your videos, i don't know anything about agriculture but the way you demonstrate everything even the details is so cool, keep posting videos like this

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I’m glad you enjoy it. I will keep them coming.

[@Kron1cK9]

You really like your cooled cupholders!

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

If you don’t have them, your drinks, get really hot throughout the day

[@willdarlington3410]

love the different camera angles

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I’m glad you liked it

[@peterweber4094]

Good video, ty for your effort.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Glad you enjoyed it. Make sure to subscribe if you haven’t already.

[@anonymouscoward7559]

I am stunned at the lack effort required to change chissels on that

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Yeah, it’s pretty easy to change them

[@Caimen0]

From what I have heard, the 1167 isn't really 670 HP - it has some HP boost with the hydraulic system that never reaches the tracks. Unless you're running an air drill, it's really just an 1162 with a different badge. Allegedly. CVTs also have some parasitic loss in the transmission due to how they work. It uses hydraulic pressure to modify the output speed - there are several basically identical videos that AGCO has put on youtube that explain it. When the transmission doesn't need to use hydraulic pressure to adjust speed, it has better power delivery than a powershift, but beyond about 6 MPH a PS will have more efficient power delivery. I think those 2 factors combined explains why the Deere beat out the 1167 in fuel economy and the seeming lack of power above the Deere despite the HP difference.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

That would still make it 110 hp more than the Deere so it should have done quite a bit better but it was barely faster but less efficient. I’m not impressed with the Fendt

[@Caimen0]

@@RockyMountainFarmer I was never trying to defend the Fendt, I was just pointing out why it was so disappointing. I imagine you would be getting a new Deere after that demo and I certainly would myself. If you go to the NTTL reports, the 9510RT at gear 10 is listed at around 440 drawbar HP while the 1167 is listed at over 500. There was clearly something wrong with that tractor's power delivery.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Yeah I’m not sure if something was wrong or not but it wasn’t very impressive. I’m going to try to get a closer HP comparison in the spring.

[@MrTjulius]

Weird because Mike Mitchell says his 1167 out pulled his 620 wheel and rx on his drills.

[@Caimen0]

@@MrTjulius Not really. Pulling an air seeder and pulling a tillage tool are 2 very different beasts. On an air seeder, he can make use of the extra hydraulic power on the tractor, and you move slowly - around 4 MPH - while here the chisel was being pulled at 6-7.5. If you reread my initial comment, 6-7.5 MPH is outside of the max efficiency zone of the CVT, so reduced performance is expected. Mike also has a larger amount of ballast on his tractor.

[@ileenmcminn2062]

need to compare with a new Deere.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I’m going to try in the spring

[@ryanszyminski5145]

Great video man.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Thanks

[@GeneMoneybags]

Very true highly appreciated 🎥✅🎉 type of farmer..

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

My glad you liked it.

[@steveanderson2095]

Great video. Appreciate the look over and comparison. Regards Steve in New Zealand

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed it

[@joelg8004]

When it comes to modern tractors it seems over engineering is never an issue. If I was paying half a million for a mobile office I’d want all the bells and whistles they could cram in there.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

True

[@ImThatGuyPaI]

Could your wallet afford every single bell and whistle that can be offered?

[@roadrunner681]

my boss has a fendt 1038, that cvt is really good for most stuff but if you need max pulling power for tilling a powershift is the way to go. the cvt runs the trencher better thought, need the speed control for it. mike less has a video of the deutz running the prototype if you want see it running

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I’ll have to check it out

[@Tranlock]

@roadrunner681 u got a link to that? Can‘t find the video :)

[@essexfarmer9610]

I think the reason it pulled slower with the Fendt on one run was because that was an opening up slightly wider run whereas the next run was in between 2 already worked runs with overlaps in loose ground.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

The Lemken does not overlap more than 3 inches on each side.

[@rossnolan2883]

Awesome 😎 😊😊😊😊

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Thanks glad you liked it

[@viktorb137]

Nice

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Thanks

[@ModernCountryLiving]

I enjoy seeing how these operate. Always was curious about the GPS and synching up everything. Well done!

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Thanks I’m glad you enjoyed it

[@brysonhaggard]

From what ive been around for tillage powershift is where to go but comfort wise ill take a cvt anyday even though you lose more power output which is why i like cvt and ivt for planting and them kinda jobs but powershift shines in tillage

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I agree

[@winncollins2356]

Great video better comparison would be the 9570rt but you using what you have

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Yeah, I’m going to try to get a closer horsepower comparison video done in the spring

[@gerryspang5917]

Not a fair comparison, you need to compare H.P. To H.P. And the same year on both as the features change from year to year. Enjoy you videos, cheers my friend.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I’d say it’s pretty fair when a 10 year old John Deere with 510 hp goes up against a brand new Fendt with 670 hp and almost keeps up the same. That tells you how good the Fendt is. I think a new John Deere that is close to the horsepower of the fendt would destroy the fendt.

[@gerryspang5917]

@@RockyMountainFarmer that’s what I was thinking

[@Mario71f30]

How can you compare it? In the video you can see that your 2. try with the Deere was on a freshly grubbed (i don´t know if this is the right word. English isn´t my first language) field. The friction on it is much more less than on a ungrupped field.

[@armchairgeneral7557]

I’ve posted in one of your other videos I believe, but the CVT is terrible for putting power to the ground. Power shift is still relevant for a reason.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I think you’re right

[@melvd3484]

'Terrible' is definitely the wrong word to describe the efficiency of Fendt's CVT. It's pretty good indeed, even if a modern Powershift might be better. That can be seen in the Nebraska tests and I also heard that others came to the conclusion that the 1167 can hold up with an 9620 RX.

[@glennhatley2010]

Not apples to apples, if deere had 160 more hp, it would run more than 6mph

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

It’s closer than you might think. The drawbar go is only about 60 apart

[@mikeb8436]

Run into the loving arms of Big Bud

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I heard they were going to start making them again.

[@Wesleimoraes]

Muito bom vídeo, John deere é tradição 💪🏽

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Thanks I’m glad you enjoyed it

[@ballardgriswold7994]

The ag leader GPS is nice. We were up to 13 fendts one year and the Trimble we have in them is really bad lol

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I think our new combine has Trimble. It’s ok

[@ballardgriswold7994]

@@RockyMountainFarmer Its good on swathers and combines but if you plan on like doing gps in circles or for accurate straight lines its not great

[@MichaelWilliams-ub3ow]

I calculate consumption about 2.5 gallons/ acre for the Deere and 2.2 gallons/acre for the Fendt. So, for a 100 acre day, save 30 gallons and at least a quarter of the Deere's time with the Fendt. Buy the Fendt and instal a John Deere seat!

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

The Fendt also uses a ton of def

[@Mr617583]

On the first part of the video the John Deere was a 2018, at the end it turned into a 10 year old machine, pretty amazing!!! At the end of the video the Fendt did 6.5-7 mph, was that at 14 inches on a previously untilled field using 29 gph, or 12 inches in a tilled field? I suspect it was 14 inches in an untilled field. So the John Deere comes into the tilled up field the next day and does the same speed at 25.8 gph at 12 inches in a tilled up field. Bogus comparison!!!!! And the difference between 25.8 and 29 is 3.2 not 4. So in reality the Fendt did better and that's with a new engine. An engine that's fully broke in would do better on power and gph.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

So I miss spoke in the first part about the year and corrected myself later in the video. And in the second field, I upped the depth on the fendt to 12 inches so they were both going in the same field at 12 inches. The Fendt was going 6 1/2 to 7. The Deere was going 6 to 6 1/2 same depth, same field. The fendt was also broken in with 1500 hours so the Deere did a little slower but more efficient.

[@Mr617583]

Were they both working untilled ground? I will admit a cvt is not as good at getting the power to the ground as a mechanical tranny. They are handy on a loader tractor. But even then their kinda spongy, I still like the more positive control of a clutch and manual. But going down the road at 31 mph at reduced rpm with a cvt Fendt is better.@@RockyMountainFarmer

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

We had them both in untilled ground and a field that was lightly disked.

[@lukasgut1391]

You can go in to tms settings and get more speed out of it by reving it higher

[@lukasgut1391]

You get like 1 mph out of it

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I tried that when the dealer was out setting it up

[@Agrartechnik_Fan]

nice work

[@Agrartechnik_Fan]

you have my subscribtion

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Thanks I’m glad you enjoyed it

[@gercobosch2870]

I would like to argue that a smaller cab does have some advantages, as you said you are quite tall 6'6 I believe you said. Whereas perhaps a 6'2 would prefer the smaller cab because everything is better in reach, and the stretching out is a smaller issue because even you could stretch out in the Fendt.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Yeah, it’s gonna be different for everybody. Personally, I prefer the bigger cab.

[@mehmetsari903]

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[@parker1ray]

I was born and raised on farms in north east Iowa! We always chisel plowed and disked fields. I thought that most farmers practiced no till these days!

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

No till only works with certain crops, you cannot no till potatoes

[@jayfarmer3911]

Those springs lifting up are the reason I don’t run a karat anymore Depth was to inconsistent. 875 needs a boulder before it trips.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Interesting our depth has always been fine

[@gregorymatre]

The last part you were going over already worked ground. How is that a comparison?

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Because we did it in both tractors I just forgot to show the one

[@nikolai502]

You can make it so you press the same button twice to do a full sequence. Do the first action, gps Drop implement 2.nd. trigger it not by time or distance but by Button.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Interesting

[@kerriekurth861]

W vid

[@daantacken7812]

if u want the fendt to go quicker you must put the cruise control higher, if i want to go 13km/h i put on almost 17km/h the reach that. hope u try this in oncomming spring greetings from the netherlands✌

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Thanks for the tip

[@joescheller6680]

Mike in canada had 1157 pulled 85ft borough seeder witg 1000 plus tender for seed abd fertilizer running side by side with JD quadtrack pulling same seeder it was a close draw He also has the JD 2 tract which did cone close in comparison on protill drawing.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

There’s a big difference between pulling a drill and chisel plow. This chisel plow pulls harder than any drill.

[@mcd5082]

Amazing how much power is needed for tillage

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Yeah to work deep it takes alot.

[@TurboChecker12]

Maybe you need to try the Claas Xerion 12.650 in its tracked variant.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

There isn’t really a dealer around me

[@markam306]

Good test, the Fendt people talk about their vario transmission matching rpm with load & speed to optimize efficiency. What they never say is how much power is lost through their transmission vs a power shift. I’ve even heard Fendt fans express how technologically more advanced their equipment is vs American built. This misses the whole point. In the USA farmers have big acres, pull wide implements with high horsepower. The amount of HP lost through the transmission matters.

[@melvd3484]

Each Powershift transmission has a different level of efficiency. Even each gear of a Powershift transmission has a different efficiency than the next. So you can't say that in general terms. On the whole, an e23, for example, should be more efficient in the field than a VarioDrive. In the Nebraska test, the 1167 performed pretty well compared to a 9620 RX or 9RT 570 if you look at the consumption. So the Fendt really does not seem to be inefficient.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Great point! I know there is alot of power loss in the Fendt

[@AppalachianMountaineer1863]

John Deere software locks its tractors, Fendt doesn’t or it’s not as predatory about it. You shouldn’t have to contact a John Deere certified tech to make basic repairs. Furthermore you shouldn’t have to sue John Deere and have the government create a bill inside of states legislation to give farmers a right to repair their own equipment because John Deere gets hurt feelings over farmers plugging their own laptops into the service port to run diagnostics. With my very limited experience with JD their equipment is decent but their culture as a company is absolutely toxic, and toxic towards its consumer base, thankfully there are decent JD dealers that deal with the corporate BS so a farmer doesn’t have to. So saying that Fendt uses technology as a talking point is valid when the competition would rather you plough a field with a mule team before being helpful when it comes to its software.

[@SchizoSystems]

they did the test with DLG in Germany.. A vario transmission hasn't got more % of powerloss than a Powershift in reality.. The most efficient is a normal gearbox without shifters

[@johnelliott4521]

Less fuel faster intuitive controls nice very nice

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Agreed!

[@douglassellers7528]

The faster you the more power it takes. Fuel use needs to be figured on a per acre not per hour. You ate working more acres per hour with the Fendt. Just being picky.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

The John Deere still used roughly .2 gallons less per acre

[@Mopar-Pioneer]

Hi Rocky. I have not done any farm ground preparation since 1969. I can understand the economics of 1 pass ground preparation , but am curious as to how the seed bed compares to the old style mouldboard plough, disc it, spring tooth cultivate it style that I grew up with ? Thanks mate. Alex

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

You know, we never have used a plow like that. For potatoes, we always used to rip it in the fall, and then we would chisel plow it in the spring before planting but with this new Lemken, we just chisel plow in the fall, and in the spring.

[@charlesburns6601]

Everybody should already knew you was going to pick John Deere cuz your bias over any other tractor than John Deere got a buddy it's got a Fendt and a John Deere to track and he pulls a 80 ft drill with the Fendt 1167 in a 60-ft drill with the John Deere in the Fendt out does the John Deere all day long

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I was just comparing the tractors if the Fendt really would’ve been a lot better than the Deere I probably would’ve chose the Fendt but seeing how it used more fuel a ton of DEF and only went half a mile an hour faster and also wasn’t as comfortable to drive, yeah I’m gonna choose the Deere

[@northeastnebraskafarming117]

I definitely don’t think that fendts hp is accurate. That definitely doesn’t feel like 670hp and ive heard that from a buddy who owned a 1167

[@mathiashedegaard9381]

@@northeastnebraskafarming117it has 663 hp

[@TrevorTolman]

Having ran multiple makes of equipment not just tractors that fends was the most uncomfortable rig I have ever been in. Now some of the features were nice but definitely not worth the extra costs of running and buying it.

[@mathiashedegaard9381]

@@TrevorTolman it is true that Fendt is significantly more expensive than other brands, but one of the reasons for this is that their tractors have a good resale value. So if you sell it again, you can also get much more for the used tractor.

[@rangefreewords]

I'd try GVWR match with plates between the two by moving the plates on the tracks to the front to distribute the load to match might save a couple gallons by load biasing , same goes on aircraft for weight and balance it changes the performance or economy of the aircraft. The minor fixes in the cab and rail could be all done in a day.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Yeah, I think it would’ve been a little better had it had the front weights on but this was a demo so I could not change anything

[@mehmetsari903]

👑👑👑👑👑👑👑

[@mikpiece469]

the more environment friendly the more consumption- filters cost diesel.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

True

[@generalsifr2995]

How many acres can Fendt 1167 Vario MT complete in a day?

[@rebelbullhauler]

Also the 2” in depth can make a difference you should get a new 9r the newer tractors don’t get pull like the pre emission motors and do burn more fuel on the tire machines

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I am going to get some new tractors for a demo in the spring.

[@debi5292]

Should have included the Caterpillar offering. We have one here with 9K hours on it and has never been opened up for anything. Best tractor we have ever owned.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

They’re hard to find around here let alone demo

[@kevinstone3454]

I really like the look of the fendt but I think overall the John Deere is the way to go of these two but when you get the Case it may be the winner.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I really want to try the case

[@paulmccallum4229]

160hp to gain 1mph.....those Vario transmissions really do suck power compared to a power shift.....have the 9510RT's ECM flashed and then try it again.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Yeah kinda crazy

[@ChrisEntz-l4r]

Please, let us know what engine is in the specific tractor, also how many hrs on your older tractor, otherwise you do a great video.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

The John Deere has 510 hp and 5400 hours and the Fendt has 670 hp and 1300 hours

[@trombitasoliver4422]

Fendt 1167 has a MAN motor. Fend doesnt have own motor

[@mesh1248]

Just to clarify that john deere u can run the gps off the arm rest display but needs to be programmed to do that but other then that great video

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

When we bought it, they told us we were not able to do that

[@mesh1248]

That’s weird i do it on both my tractors that have the gen3 arm rest display if u go into the menu on that arm rest screen does it have the gs3 app and a star fire app when the other display is unplugged ? If so all it needs is an auto trac subscription moved from the big display to the small screen by the dealer and u can run it without the big screen

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I will definitely look into that

[@OUKRH5]

I ve never thought that Fendt does use more fuel, and normally Fendt costs 50% more than anything else, i guess they should change a lot of things, if it cannot compete with a more than 10 year old competition machine...

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

My thoughts exactly

[@OUKRH5]

@@RockyMountainFarmer Furthermore Aggco already has tracked tractors with their Challanger Brand, i thought Fendt wanted to build their own, to more suite the european market, where such machines often are used also in Construction and Forestry with massive Milling or Mulching machines, that require a lot of PTO Power, but Fuel Consumption is a massive issue, with all that climate taxes on fuel, and more to come in the future.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Yeah, all the taxes are crazy

[@OUKRH5]

@@RockyMountainFarmer i understand it that fuel is taxed quite hard in Austria, to prevent people from driving everywhere by car, when there are trains, buses and bikelanes, but i think fuel should be less taxed on machinery and such, where there is just NO alternative at the moment. Our grid is not up to the load it would cause to load batteries of big excavators, Piling rigs and such now.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Yeah that’s crazy

[@mehmetsari903]

🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@jerretcarriere8655]

Case quad track!!!

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I would love to try one

[@honey8784]

Looks like he’s near Center Co. San Luis Valley.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

We are in East Idaho

[@honey8784]

@@RockyMountainFarmer thanks for the reply. I guess you know a lot of potatoes come from the San Luis Valley. Btw. Your Run down on those tractors was impressive. Very well done., I’m in Oklahoma. I’ll be watching your channel.

[@donmedford2563]

@28 minutes, where in the he** did all those damn seagulls come from?

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Right I have no idea they just show up randomly They almost took out my drone

[@markk4042]

Go fendt! Make JD look bad!!!

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I prefer the Deere.

[@1oddtech]

Itec does not require a activation. Itec pro which automatically turns the tractor and performs all the standard Itec functions does.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I will have to look into that

[@raincoast9010]

Takes a lot of horses to pull so many shanks.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Yes it does

[@jacobl1657]

It's not actually 160hp larger than the deere. The transmission doesn't allow the full 670 through. The extra horsepower is all for hydraulics and PTO. Really no reason buy an 1167 over a 1162 as you're not getting anything for draft work.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

That’s what I have heard

[@gerritduinen5132]

He moved it up before he used the deere from 14 to 12 inches. End of the honest comparison

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I did both of them at 14 inches and both of them at 12 inches

[@danishpuma]

I'd buy the one who I could get the best deal off... ;)

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

True

[@ikevorisek1517]

Comparing an InCommand 1200 to a GS2 2600 is like comparing an iPhone15 to a flip phone. If you put a 4640 in the 9R it would have similar screen resolution and your old 9R would then have hands free turns (including hydraulics) that you still can't get from Fendt or AgLeader's TurnPath.

[@michaelfiore4921]

Which run rides smoother

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

They are about the same

[@stirv6462]

Does the actual wear part on that lemken point unbolt from the quick attach component or do you have to buy it all as one? Great video, nothing magical about fendt. Theres only so much energy in a gallon of fuel, fendt fanboys dont realize that. Cvt is terrible for max pull work.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Yes you can unbolt and replace all the wear parts on the point and they are really simple to change as well.

[@Breakinlife007]

I know its different but what about a Case Quadtrack... at the Fendt price point your almost open to all tractor options and there is just no beating the massive power they have.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

We have tried to get a demo for a case, but I have never been able to secure one

[@dallaspointon6212]

Rather a fendt, wouldn’t touch a Deere ever. They also have the best lighting of them all

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

They do have good lights

[@Machines85]

When did you start driving that machine?

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

This was last fall

[@Machines85]

@@RockyMountainFarmer i lke john deere. Do you like it?

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Yeah I like it a little better

[@marcusjames3814]

Our seats on the deere is 20° degrees to the right and 16° degrees to the left

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I know the new ones go even further

[@peterwilson2621]

All that computer stuff is for lazy people and costs a fortune 😢

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

It’s for People who want to be efficient

[@lindanelson8400]

John Deer 🦌 always ♥️ 🚜🇺🇸

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Awesome machines.

[@robbyben5124]

Vorrei ricordare che il fendt cingolato è derivato dal Challenger, ha cambiato colore e marca

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

You’re right

[@mehmetsari903]

👋🏻👋🏻👋🏻❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@betlw]

I am curious, did you let all the ponies out? The gauge on the Fendt only showed 1650 rpm going 6mph. Wide open that engine should run out at 2300rpm

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

The engine in the fendt will not rev up that high. It has a limiter at 1750 RPM.

[@dcw1540]

To bad you didn’t have same hp deere to compare.with all new tech.thanks😊

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Next time

[@jaredklug3502]

I’d rather used a donkey than any green. The Deere company turned corporate 25 years ago.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Good luck with that

[@JonasWipf]

You're not smart

[@jaredklug3502]

@@JonasWipf I bet you are very smart

[@joescheller6680]

Dont tell me you have green shorts.😂😂😂😂

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Umm there both green

[@jaredclark1829]

It’s only 110 hp more pulling power is 620hp. The extra 50hp is only for hydrolics. So save your money and buy an 1162

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I think we will just keep our John Deere

[@kevingamoe9375]

Despite the higher fuel consumption in the fendt you’re tilling 20% more per hour with the 1-1.5 mph difference

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

True

[@davidnorris1093]

Need a Big Bud….

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

That would be kind of cool to try

[@charliepyle1626]

I used to find going faster would not get the same depth. The implement would tend to ride up as the speed increased.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

With the Lemken equipment that is not the case, it will stay in the ground. with our old John Deere stuff that would happen all the time

[@stephenbradbury460]

Hi your plough was invented In Australia and of course you can buy it world wide. It was called the stump jump plough. It was I vented to plough a region called led the Mallee it was used to move small tree roots out of soft soil lime a sandy base soil in a region called the Mallee in north Western Victoria Australia 🇦🇺. Back in the 1920s.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

Very interesting

[@mikescaffo4850]

John deere simply the best nice video

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I’m glad you liked it

[@matthewvanderbeek2847]

People say the Fendt is a smoother ride. Transmission smoother on the Fendt. I'm not sure about fuel efficiency. It's fairly similar, i would guess.

[@RockyMountainFarmer]

I would say the ride is basically the same the transmission was smooth because it was a CVT transmission versus a power shift so the transmissions aren’t super comparable