John Dominic Crossan: Did Jesus Really Resurrect? | A People’s Theology

[@westfield90]

I absolutely love and respect John

[@masonmennenga]

@@westfield90 he’s so great!

[@nahoalife954]

What a great interview! Keep it up, both of you!

[@masonmennenga]

thank you! it was a fun one!

[@trilithon108]

Interesting conversation. 👏

[@masonmennenga]

thank you!

[@karenshervheim4917]

Fabulous conversation! Found JDC a few years ago-have read many of his books. Actually have a hard copy of Resurecting Easter. He and Marcus Borg (and now Marriane Borg with Second Saturdays) have been strategic in guiding/healing me out of 50+ years of Fundamental Evangelicalism. Also taking the class with Tripp Fuller right now. Learning from Dom in person is such a tremendous gift. Thank you Mason and Dom so much for the podcast! Karen Shervheim

[@masonmennenga]

thanks for the kind words! dom is great!

[@winstonbarquez9538]

It is not the empty tomb itself because the body may have been stolen by the disciples who then spun a yarn of bodily resurrection. It is the fact that they saw him alive again and gave up their lives for this conviction.

[@cshaw9683]

They never said anything. People said that they said… And, what documentation is there to say the apostles died as martyrs? Only James is mentioned in the Bible. In any case, people have given their life for all sorts of reasons. Indian women used to jump on their husbands’ funeral pyres.

[@iantoja]

@@cshaw9683I am a Christian and im ok with this video. But also im not sure why Jesus resurrecting is a problem for us progressive Christians. Like if he didn’t , fine, that’s what the vid covers, but if he did… so what? It doesn’t really challenges my theology. I’m not saying that because I don’t wanna discuss it… on the other hand… I love these debates. The fact that historians and academics still debate it its fascinating to me. But in terms of how it relates to my spirituality…. I don’t see how Jesus actually rising from the dead would challenge my faith as a progressive Christian . But that’s just my opinion, and yall can tell me otherwise

[@winstonbarquez9538]

@@cshaw9683 you can give up your life for any belief. But for a foolish claim that a dead person rose from the dead?

[@iantoja]

@@cshaw9683 and btw I say all that cuz I feel we will never know, we just have to assume what makes the best sense for each of us. Like for example, you said they never said anything…. But in reality what should really be said is that we have 0 proof they said such thing. What we do instead is that we look at the evidence and say “hmmm this might indicate a certain someone with that name said this according to different sources “ or “hmmm this seems to be a narrative started X years after falsely claiming these people said this” … and after we do that we also have to start kinda adjusting our whole view in history because then we set standards in the sense of "how much evidence do i need to Believe a historical event ?" and then its like "well if i decide this didnt happen because its not wnough evifence then by that logic this other histoeical event didnt happen". i just thibk at the end of the day its better to be like "hey i believe because the evifence convinced me" or "i just dont believe it happened because its just impossible and the impossibility of the situation requires and inmense ammount of evidence for me" they seem both plausible and understandable to me. that said: - if im a trad christian… i would want to believe it happen - if im an atheist … i would like to believe it didnt - if im a progressive christian… how does this affects my theology or my life ??? i feel im fairly inclined to believe which ever . and in that sense thats why i dont bat much of an eye besides intellectual curiosity

[@cshaw9683]

@@iantoja History isnt science and it certainly isn’t math. The apostles may have said something, even wrote things. It is a pity we don’t have that evidence. What we have is hearsay. It is evidence, it just isn’t good evidence. We also have evidence that contradicts events in the Bible. That doesn’t speak well of its trustworthiness.

[@bobwhitlok]

two of my favorite people talking together about Jesus and Christianity woohoo!

[@masonmennenga]

thank you!!!

[@cattleyaaida1809]

*Christianity wrong doctrine* Prominent Bible scholar & ex Catholic priest John Dominic Crossan says: * Jesus was not God. * Jesus called for nonviolent resistance to Rome and just distribution of land and food. *Jesus was crucified* because he threatened Roman stability -- *not as a sacrifice to God for humanity's sins* * Jesus did not resurrect from death. I myself 75℅ agree with Crossan's views of Jesus. * As a Muslim I believe that Jesus was sent to Israelites. What for? Just the same mission as other Jewish prophets (Moses, Elija, Isaiah, Jeremia, etc), ie to ENFORCE Torah Law that had been violated many times by Jews (worship idols, kill, steal, bribery, adultery, etc). As strong indications that Jesus was sent not to redeem original sin on the cross, let's observe these: 1. Before Jesus was caught by Roman, he was afraid, hid, told his disciples to buy swords, sad, prostrated & prayed. 2. By time machine, I'm flying to Golgotta hill 2000 years ago. *I see Jesus was hanging on the cross, naked & tortured with blood shedding.* What will I do? *A. I am very sad & must save Jesus.* I will beg Pilate to free him from the cross. *B. I am sad but also joyful* because Jesus will atone for my sins. So, *I just watch Jesus being tortured* because only through such a sadistic way I can live eternally in heaven. Muslims and JD Crossan will definitely choose A. Meanwhile, Christians who hold traditional view will not choose an answer. *That means Jesus was sent NOT to redeem original sin on the cross.*

[@chamomiletea9562]

This was a wonderful exchange of ideas. The ancient Christian art we have is a type of scripture for us as I see it. I am currently reading the book, "Excavating Jesus" by John Dominic Cross and Jonathan L. Reed. I am enthralled and learning so much. It is beautifully written, researched, and includes color photographs. I hope your listeners will read it. Stay open everyone.

[@ElkoJohn]

Origins of bodily resurrection: 2nd Temple Jews believed the soul could not be separated from the body, and therefore, both soul/body had to be resurrected together. Jesus raised three people from the dead: (1) Mk.5:41, Jairus' daughter (2) Lk.7:11, a young man, dead, in a casket, and taken to be buried. (3) Jn.11:38, Lazarus, dead, buried, and decomposing. All his resurrections were bodily. G.Mark had an empty tomb, said it was kept secret, and did not give any account of Jesus appearing after death. Paul advocated a new, heavenly body, not the earthly body. Confused? Me too.

[@GeldardtheGrey]

Brilliant interview, Mason. Great questions, answered in depth 'and with authority'. 😁 Peace from the UK 👍🏼

[@masonmennenga]

thanks for the kind words!

[@daodejing81]

I already know there was NO RESURRECTION, but I am a mystic and I am interested in hearing this gentleman's response since he is a scholar.

[@masonmennenga]

he’s great!

[@GutsyTen42]

This was a wonderful conversation, thanks for it!

[@masonmennenga]

thanks for the kind words!

[@PabloJMonat]

I find JDC a good historian. Unfortunately I haven't read his books yet. But I have seen several videos and debates of/with him. When it comes to the resurrection it's not clear what he mean for christian today as far as I understand nor what significance his interpretation (if he's thesis is true) would have mean for early Christians. A metaphorical human race change to non violence? what is the role of each person? I find it confusing and non operational at all as the host in this dialogue insist to ask and his answer are lousy or misdirected. In these topic and having said that my understanding is limited because I did not read a book from him I prefer some liberation theology views that links individual behavior and societal behavior. I have to confess that I was converted to Christianity in the context of latinamerican LT so I am more attached to it. Anyway he is a challenging scholar but less successful theologian in my view. I'll do my homework and read and research more from him and other authors

[@charliegunn4]

What a great interview. Really points out how this guy can lead people astray with false doctrines. Thanks.

[@masonmennenga]

you’re welcome 😘

[@daodejing81]

Christianity leads people astray with false doctrines.

[@raychandler2757]

Is the religion of peace not an impediment to the worldly benefits of the resurrection?

[@Stupidityindex]

Religious belief has no standards, integrity, honor, or standing. God made Mormons so Christians would know how Jews feel.

[@SpideyFan777]

JDC AND a nod to Peter Rollins? Let's gooooo. Love conversations diving into what the resurrection might actually mean.

[@masonmennenga]

thank you! it was a fun conversation!!

[@aj-trioint]

Some deeply anti-human and elitist and chronologically snobbish thoughts here from JDC. Not sure if he's always been like this or if it's senility but it's telling that Mennenga doesn't ask any serious questions of him.

[@masonmennenga]

yeah, that mennenga guy sucks

[@aj-trioint]

@@masonmennenga Nah. He's fine.

[@masonmennenga]

@@aj-trioint i don’t recommend that mason mennenga guy

[@dbarker7794]

Calling Crossan "elitist" and "anti-human" suggests you didn't really listen to Crossan or haven't read any of his books.

[@TBOTSS]

@@dbarker7794 I did read his debate with William Lane Craig. Don is not that bright.

[@D3nchanter]

no... he's dead.

[@masonmennenga]

👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@daveparrish7887]

Bla bla babbling ….. I will stick with Holy Spirit and His Revelation of JESUS CHRIST IN THE HOLY BIBLE!!!

[@masonmennenga]

@@daveparrish7887 i’m sure you have the correct interpretation of the bible. finally someone did it!!!

[@WellingtonZwelithiniMadonda]

Holly Bible decided and written by men of the Council of Nacia to you I was written by God please before you believe something do your own Research otherwise you'll easily led astray may Holly Spirit enlightened you..