John Gray on ‘The New Leviathans - Thoughts after Liberalism’

[@frankscavelli6031]

Perhaps the most erudite and wordly political philosopher. I wish you would write more, or write a truly expansive ‘academic’ book about modernity, John!

[@MrBeautifulmountain]

Someone should have asked him about the role of Islam in the West in the next 50 years.

[@ajs41]

He's talked about that a lot in his other interviews/talks/lectures.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

It's going to be massive.

[@philnewton3096]

1:01/49 h melville. What about the Thomas Armstrong novel of Liverpool "King cotton " ? My Dad swore by it.

[@ubiktd4064]

I noticed recently as an avid searcher for new philosophy books that John Grays books that used to be a staple have all disappeared ? Has he been cancelled?

[@AP-yx1mm]

Never crossed your mind you are not good at looking for books?

[@brianfuata1014]

@@AP-yx1mm lol

[@goodgrief888]

@@AP-yx1mmmaybe you misunderstood what that person was asking. I understood them to mean from academy, from college course material lists. You thought they meant from planet earth, and then insulted them based on your simple mindedness.

[@steffg8351]

53:12 'I think the next [what?] is probably going to be universities....'

[@abdulhafidhahmed1556]

"Shoe to drop"

[@philnewton3096]

And the Rennes professor Jaques Guys "a journey across the channell" He taught here on exchange. "

[@leststoner]

👏👏👏

[@wmgodfrey1770]

Zeihan and Gray should get together for a discussion in the same room.

[@advocate1563]

Why? Fundamentally different fields and approaches

[@MrBeautifulmountain]

@@advocate1563 There is some overlap in the sense that they both forecast.

[@rogcrater8193]

No

[@klaunwelt4404]

Zeihan is a midwit Fukuyama. A complete waste of time.

[@Dipsnaps]

Fundamentally different IQ categories.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

London is nice & safe & pieceful

[@janmalaszek1459]

I guess this meant to be ironic?

[@NorthernObserver]

Many people in many pieces.

[@advocate1563]

April 1st? London has fallen.

[@lukebarton5075]

@orw Do you mean that London is full of pieces? Or did you mean peaceful. London is very safe, less peaceful due to the fact that it’s a very large city. Cities do tend to be less peaceful than smaller towns and rural areas. That’s pretty much because of the larger amounts of people that live there.

[@AdamCherad]

John gray is a dove, a propaganda mouthpiece for the establishment.

[@homemaintenance1234]

That’s a new one.

[@azanulbizar12]

And what are you? What values are you propagating? Tell us and we will judge whom you are serving

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Liberalism is the ultimate establishment ideology

[@dianasitek3595]

I'm sick to death of the self-appointed intelligentsia bashing Donald Trump. But then bigoted people can never open their eyes.

[@Troy-Weight]

I found it disturbing that Grey adopted Collingwood’s title but never distanced himself from Collingwood - you should know what I mean - if you have read Collingwood’s advice on bullying and lying in politics. To me Grey maybe understood Russian and China but did not understand England. I would start the clock with Bacon not Hobbes, and see a slow crawl towards scientific enlightenment and democracy which really reached a peak with universal suffrage in 1928, pushed by Mill, Russell etc. Keynes, like Collingwood, was terrified of democracy and was actively working to undermine it before it even started. That is undeniable, but Grey seemed completely blind to it. From this outing he seemed to have (correctly) rejected the frying pan of complacency in Fukuyama, but only in order to (disastrously) jump into the fire of arbitrary denial of scientific and social progress served up by Kuhn. The both of them rather deliberate corollaries to Keynes

[@lindontilson471]

Such a pessimist. Then admits to writing for the guardian 😂

[@lukebarton5075]

@lindo Much better to write comments on youtube don’t you think?

[@azanulbizar12]

Liberalism means a sense of individuality and independence, so you can write and keep your values anywhere. I know it's something you conservative propaganda-eaters are not used to.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

At this stage of late stage Liberalism, late stage Usury to have optimisation is cowardice.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

​@@azanulbizar12 Liberalism now means conformity