John L Gardner & Viv Graham clash in 93

#jamieboyle #newcastle #vivgraham #johnlgardner

[@PaulSmith-br4tj]

Jlg would had destroyed him,very hard man and fully trained,only one winner iam afraid

[@yorkshiretea7620]

My step dad was friendly with John from his days in london. Shows you how tough John was he was attacked and stabbed over ten times years ago and the wankers even slashed his wife.

[@jimlock6152]

I was in Durham prison when Gardner fought Sykes and it was on the radio. The prisoners were cheering for Gardner

[@DavidUKesb]

I bet they were!

[@MrWoods0_0]

I bet they were shush when he was back in lol Sykes ran Durham prison

[@jimlock6152]

@@MrWoods0_0 I heard all the stories but in the time I was there he was not in.. end of 78 and 3 months into 79 before I was transferred back to Scotland.. There was a screw called Johnston who everyone said was his double..

[@Car-van-bike-Guides]

John would beat him

[@daytonahandful]

I'm going to say that Viv would have easily dismantled John. I have no evidence or good reason for saying that but thought someone should say so.

[@toughluck1966]

Documentary up and coming on Gardner?

[@warcrypublishing]

No mate

[@terranceforbes9748]

Great video never heard that story before but John would have beaten Viv no bother

[@tonycruzman162]

@@terranceforbes9748 Viv was not in that league

[@tonycruzman162]

The three tuns in Gateshead was the bar . Viv would do nothing against Sykes or Gardner John nothing to do with vive murder at all John is not that way John huge gambler came from Homerton Hackney lived with his mam dint know what happened to the dad ?

[@warcrypublishing]

@@tonycruzman162 he never had a relationship with his old man

[@stevenbaker382]

Iv got every single ring magazines from the 70s and i can assure you he was never number 1 in any of the ratings wba or wbc..

[@warcrypublishing]

Yes he was, he was no.1 mandatory challenger to Ali, Google it.

[@stevenbaker382]

Like i said i have every ring magazine boxing illustrated from the 70s and 80s and i have never seen Gardner as number 1 in the wba or wbc ratings. If you put a picture up of garden as number 1 ill tip my hat to you but at the moment I don't. Top Americans at the time were far superior

[@GraveCareMaintenanceServices]

@@stevenbaker382 Gardner was never mandatory to Ali, he did however sign a contract to fight Ali over in Hawaii in the late 70s, but Ali pulled out. Later Gardner and Ali fought a 3 round televised exhibition bout. But as far as i am aware or can find out John L Gardner was a fringe top 10 contender for the title, so no, he never was mandatory to Ali.

[@stevenbaker382]

@@GraveCareMaintenanceServices exactly correct m8. I never knew he was contacted to fight ali but I knew very well that garden was never mandatory number 1.. at the time you had shavers Norton young lyle . With up and coming coetzee weaver and john tate. You couldn't put Gardner above them

[@benrawlins8768]

​@@warcrypublishingGoogle got it wrong. Alot of people use Google thinking it's 100% but not always.

[@Minkyyy670]

Will you be seeing vivs ghosts next. 😂

[@truelovex]

Jamie have you heard a story about viv and Fred the head have a fight while in jail. and do you k ow what happed . Fred was ment to hard bloke

[@fishermansid8861]

It never happened in jail at different times

[@truthseekerforever7002]

​@@fishermansid8861are sure as the fellow Jamie had on a couple years ago "Phil towben " says he was in at the same time and it did happen.

[@warcrypublishing]

Fred had a few go's with Sykesy

[@DavidUKesb]

Apparently Sykes took a slash all over Fred's dinner and told him it was gravy!

[@jimlock6152]

Was that Freddie Mills by any chance

[@jamieoliver3262]

Think viv would av come unstuck somehow know he had a boxing past John was a lump himself who knows only takes 1 goodun off people like them and your tongues hanging out😝🤣

[@teamfergusonboxing5830]

John L would of been way too much for Graham

[@chrisr5499]

Met John Gardner at New Years Eve party back in 1992 ( I was 21) and he was very nice and humble man.

[@gateshead_angel]

It was the Three Tuns on Old Durham Rd on Sheriff Hill gateshead he bought it with a bloke called Mick, Paul runs it now.

[@maxandruby08]

He never bourt it him znd his wife managed it fact

[@gateshead_angel]

@@maxandruby08 little pedantic with your reply there 🤔

[@dmode2793]

@@gateshead_angel You could understand it?!

[@kevinclark2856]

the bar was the three tones in gateshed sheriffhill got stabed there was nice bloke john

[@allangreenley9901]

Good story never heard it before ,u would have to really think john l gardner would be the victor in the fight...

[@warcrypublishing]

Absolutely

[@PaulSmith-br4tj]

​@@warcrypublishinghi Jamie just finished Final Agony,on holiday and read both books, excellent read and yiu must had spent some time getting your information,🥊🥊🥊🥊🥊🥊

[@malcolmroberts2467]

Viv couldn't fight sleep in a proper ring nothing but a bully couldnt do the bouncer on the door

[@mrsmith3930]

John went to my school he is a legend in the East End boxing community.

[@vantheman1238]

If the fight was in the ring with boxing gloves on then John L Gardner would have won easy peesy lemon squeezy. Vic Graham was a middleweight by human design, however, he juiced more than Lance Armstrong hence, his weight ballooned to 17 stone. John L Gardner was the naturally bigger man.

[@DavidUKesb]

JLG would have smashed VG to bits.

[@mrdog2019]

Well said, of course he would, John Lewis Gardner was British, commonwealth and European heavyweight champion, viv was a hard man in the north, no comparison, also where John is from was far rougher and violent, people forget he rose to the top in a huge city, around seven million plus at the time, of course the north east is a tough place but we are talking small places compared to London, there were viv’s in every town in London but there was only one JLG.

[@truthseekerforever7002]

@mrdog2019 viv had a fight with Gary Mason and beat him . that's 100 percent and when the documentary comes out you will see someone well known who was there

[@christophersavill4785]

​@@truthseekerforever7002 whatever. Mason sparked out nearly every man put in front of him. Graham wouldn't of stood a chance

[@tyee8760]

Viv twatted him. Would have batter Gardner too

[@notmeoru1]

JLG ran the 3 tuns in Sheriff Hill, Gateshead he was there for a few years. It was never known as a rough pub. It got burgled twice in a week or so. JLG lived upstairs and battered at least one of the kids and received knife wounds. JLG > Viv

[@mrdog2019]

John l Gardner was a very hard man, he would of battered graham, Sykes actually quit in round seven or eight, he just couldn’t hurt John, viv was a bully and John hated bullies.

[@mrdog2019]

There is a video of viv attacking that bouncer, I’d say that was bullying, he is with three or four others, all egging him on and the bloke being attacked didn’t throw one punch, all these so called hard men legends are dead for a reason, very rarely were they nice people or they would still be here.@@Paul-010

[@eclipse7436]

There's a difference between a hard man and professional fighter

[@mrdog2019]

100%, Especially when one was the British, commonwealth and European heavyweight champion, John Lewis Gardner was a very hard man, like I said.@@eclipse7436

[@starofdavid9919]

@@eclipse7436 Yes, a hard man picks his fights.

[@Pithead]

Sykes turned away in despair and the referee stopped it.

[@mervmervalot2296]

John L could fight... we was a volume puncher... trained with him and his son Ross in droylsden about 15-20yrs ago at barkers gym.... wayne barker coukd fight too!!!

[@ianmangham4570]

My money 💰 would be on gardener everytime.👍🇬🇧🤠

[@StuartHanson-fo7iw]

I instantly liked his face,John and viv both looked like fair feller s to me at first glance,but without knowing em it’s hard to say but they don’t look like slinks

[@steve81nz39]

Never heard a bad thing said about John

[@euphemiakathleenmacdonald2970]

Viv would never have beaten Paul Sykes never mind jlg he was just a playground bully in Newcastle he wasn't in their league of fighting professional boxers vs a pumped up body builder there's only one winner

[@tyee8760]

Viv would have leathered them. Being a good boxer doesn’t automatically make you hard or good on the streets

[@Rich.H68]

Talking out of your arse bonny lass, Boxers have to obey rules they don't do well on the cobbles

[@vantheman1238]

@@tyee8760 John L Gardner was heavyweight boxing champion of Great Britain. JLG fought boxers across Europe and America. Do you honestly believe that a natural middleweight who was pumped up on drugs would beat a highly skilled international level heavyweight boxer? You’re deluded.

[@tyee8760]

@@vantheman1238 do you honestly think they’d stand on the street having a Queensbury you fool. You’re going in with yourself like boxers are all ultimate street fighter hard cases and they’re not are they you donut. You clearly know nothing about combat sports, street fighting or fighting in general

[@tyee8760]

@@vantheman1238 what do you think they’re going to do? Stand there on the street with gloves and a referee and fight Queensbury rules you fool 😅😅 being a good boxer doesn’t mean anything when fighting outside of the ring. You clearly know absolutely F all about this subject 😂😂

[@Notteabagtracey]

#justiceforviv & anne ❤️🥰

[@toughluck1966]

This is better, miss your face and longer documentaries though

[@terrydoyle4120]

Decent heavyweight was John L and a notch up from usual british heavyweights

[@da90sReAlvloc]

Didn't john l Gardner know the krays or something, Im sure i heard he knew the krays

[@warcrypublishing]

He knew Charlie

[@tonycruzman162]

@@da90sReAlvloc John was about 15 when Krays got jailed but they came to repton box club a lot

[@kevinyuill8762]

See knew podcast bbc done abt viv graham

[@warcrypublishing]

I was in it

[@tootsiroll4134]

So whats the story behind the confrontation??

[@Martin-kl1vk]

Nice snipit there brother

[@warcrypublishing]

Thank you kindly Sir

[@PMS-zv5es]

I thought the pub was getying hassle bh some well known troublemakers and viv was contacted to sort the troublemakers out as he often did and this resulted in viv graham beating paul ashton up 🤷‍♂️ ...

[@warcrypublishing]

John didn't need anyone to fight his battles. He was the British, Commonwealth & European heavyweight champion and would have flattened Viv Graham

[@PMS-zv5es]

Dont be so silly he was in a different city different environment different unknown villains etc just because he was an ex boxing champion means nothing on the streets

[@711honved]

@@PMS-zv5es Go to a gym & watch a pro punch, it is devastating! They are supremely fit & move lightning fast. Graham could never have withstood such an assault. Most of these villain types were pumped up on steroids & made a living bullying smaller guys!

[@PMS-zv5es]

You obvs dont know viv was a very accomplished amateur boxer who could have been pro but went the other route ... you haven't a clue about how any of this would have panned out , but what I do know is viv kept himself very fit strong and stuck to his boxing until his untimely murder , a lot of ex pros are just that an ex pro most dont train keep fit and end up out of shape seen it all before .....

[@warcrypublishing]

@@PMS-zv5es John L Gardner was the no.1 mandatory to Muhammad Ali and ranked no6 in the world. He was levels above some amateur boxer!!!

[@benjamin-ri2do]

We need a book on this dude

[@MrCupid444]

He looked a bit like Tommy Morrison from Rock

[@truthseekerforever7002]

Good morning jamie .if my memory is right as was a long time ago. the pub you are referring to was on durham Road close to sheriff Hill. and they were getting alot of trouble with Paul Ashton "ashy'and his group of friends and i remember that fellow getting stabbed. but I believe it was viv got paid to see Ashton and they ended up fighting on windy nook bank and there might of been 2 fights between them. and the confrataion was that viv had sorted the bother for this bar. anyway I look forward to the forthcoming documentary on the BBC you are taking part in and any of your future projects. take care.

[@moshman33]

It is on sheriff hill right at the end of my street.

[@SteveTams-zp8kn]

Do you remember a bloke called Billy Cartman? He was killed during the construction of the channel tunnel. Could fight for fun.

[@moshman33]

@@SteveTams-zp8kn I don’t know him sorry! But I do know who did John Gardner and why it was done. But I won’t say on a youtube comment section.

[@bobpine12]

​@@SteveTams-zp8knhis mam was manageress in the old fox jenny Billy was a right handful back in the day

[@Tonydjjokerit]

Neither of them would have beaten Ray Coates. Kyokushinkai champion of the UK ex SAS and later on only had one kidney. He trained in Japan from the very bottom to the very top.

[@jesseb5076]

Behave yourself ffs

[@Tonydjjokerit]

@@jesseb5076 Simply stating facts!

[@geordieboynufc7434]

He got chased from three tunns sheriff hill gateshead and his pub burned down

[@warcrypublishing]

Why?