John MacArthur on Mental Health

"Dr" John MacArthur now saying that PTSD and ADHD and OCD are just made up to turn folks into drug addicts?

[@JesusSavesLA]

First, grief is not part of the criteria for the diagnosis of PTSD. Second, although medication can be added to the treatment for a sufferer with PTSD, it is not the first line of treatment. The first line treatment is a talk therapy called cognitive behavior therapy. Moreover, the best child rearing practices in the world will not prevent some disorders like ADHD because it is a neuro-development disorder. Unfortunately, Dr. MacArthur is profoundly ignorant about mental heath disorders.

[@JimiSurvivor]

Does MacArthur believe the brain is the ONLY organ that cannot become disordered and impaired? It can happen to EVERY OTHER ORGAN why not the brain? In the famous case of Phineas Gage, a railroad worker whose brain was pierced by a steel rod, his behavior became totally different following that accident. Although Gage's memory, cognition and strength had not been altered, his once gentle personality slowly degraded and he became a man of bad and rude ways, disrespectful to colleagues, and unable to accept advice. How could this happen Dr. MacArthur? How could brain damage so profoundly affect a man's spiritual and moral character? Do we need to have tissue damage on the scale of a steel pipe to cause this change or can deeper more complex causes arising from brain chemistry also cause dysfunction?

[@JonathanStephenHarris]

Obviously john has never suffered with mental illness.

[@22Platypus]

Wouldn’t trust him if he had

[@sir60man70]

If you listen to the whole video he really isn't saying these conditions don't exist.....he's speaking about the labels that are put on people so they can be told they can't get over these things and will have to be medicated. I've seen him speak before on mental health conditions and he's totally aware of how they affect people.

[@lisamarieharmon8585]

He said, "There's NO SUCH THING....." Everything he is saying is scientifically false!

[@reesewitherfork6142]

Could you tell me where I can listen to the full video? I haven’t been able to find it.

[@hexahexametermeter]

Stop trying to defend this idiot.

[@donpetty7584]

I never had a psychiatrist that told me I couldn't get better. I had 3 over 40 years. In fact, all 3 suggested counseling would help me. So, what MacArthur is saying about doctors saying you won't be able to get over these illnesses is flat untrue. MacArthur, as far as mental health advice, is incompetent and is the blind leading the blind. he's totally unaware of how effective CBT is for these disorders or he's trying to hide the truth. I completely recovered with CBT. Thought distortions are often the cause of these disorders, and MacArthur has a few distortions of his own. Psychology isn't of the devil. That's junk coming from the 1600s. Look at Romans 12:2, Philippians 4:8. That's psychology 101, changing thought patterns and believing the truth by the power of the Holy Spirit.

[@jenC77777]

Can you send me the full clip in a link on here so I can watch this ?

[@oakchurch]

Macarthur is an old mule staring at a new gate. He has the inability to understand two things can be true at once

[@BigG99]

I love John. Some of what he says here is true and other things are misguided or flat out wrong. PTSD for example is much more then simply grief. It is a form of trauma that "breaks the brain" and causes involuntary responses in the individual. It is the equivalent of a broken bone or a failing organ. His other concerns are valid. Medicating children, and a pharmaceutical industry that sees only biology and not holistically the body and soul, is a problem.

[@davidvictor52]

Myself and at least 2 other Christian friends of mine have been through this pill-pushing, labeling, crap and all three of us have come to fully realize that Jesus and the Bible are the best possible answers to all of this. My 19 year old grandson has been on various meds for about 4 years now and he recently spent three months in a local mental hospital on a "program" that was meant to analyze him and lower his prescriptions. Instead they quadrupled his "meds" and he is now worse off then ever. They are not trying to help my Grandson, they are destroying him. His mother and both his grandmothers also agree and they are not all Christians but they are not stupid either! If you look up the origin of the word "pharmacy" you will see descriptions like poisoning and sorcery. Cut the crap and read the bible! Wake up!

[@ErikFindlingMusic]

Yeah, MacArthur is right. I was medicated heavily at 12 years old for OCD and it really took a toll on my body 13 years later. I realized the OCD I battle with is a result of my own sinfulness that I need the Lord for

[@garrettfornea1088]

It's true. I was the poster-child for Adderall and things got worse as I became an adult, landing me on several different kinds of meds. I highly resent having a chemical dependency on big pharma.

[@user-vj4pw9qr5n]

Agreed, sometimes its a scarlet letter to stick on someone as well encourage and lift one another up.

[@Ron-jw3ty]

As someone who is almost 54 and was prescribed both Ritalin and Paregoric for years ( the equivalent of a speedball), starting at 8 years old, I know that it truly screwed my brain up even more and caused me to fall into addiction. I don't know whether everything he is saying is true or not. But I do know that giving these medications to children is abuse. Not only does it harm their developing brain( I know), but it also teaches them that they cannot be what society deems as "Normal" without drugs. I went from being diagnosed with hyperactivity as a child, to being ADHD as a young adult to recently finding out it was autism all along. I am certain in a couple more years my diagnosis will change yet again I dated a Nurse who worked in Behavioral Sciences and the book of diagnoses has to be updated almost every year as they keep expanding these " Diseases" that never existed 100 years ago. Clinical depression did not even exist until after Prozac was created. Quitting the antidepressant medication Effexor caused me to fall into such a horrible genuine depression ( that was 100 times worse than what it was prescribed for) I almost committed suicide. And come to find out, my "depression was caused by drug abuse, not "clinical depression"

[@TylerMcCaughey]

Thank you for your telling your story and for all the idiots that are saying that he’s not qualified or doesn’t know what he’s talking about, he does. I’m the full video I believe he does say they exist or something along the lines of he said they are just label they put on people so they can medicate them.

[@JimiSurvivor]

Paragoric used to be used to treat severe diarrhea. I took it myself and it worked very well for that. I don't know what you had but it must have been life-threatening for them to give something to you that contained OPIUM . If I still had the digestive problems I had years ago I would STILL take Paragoric or its replacement Parapectalin. Many factors lead to addiction. I was never addicted to any drug

[@Ron-jw3ty]

@@JimiSurvivor I am not saying it was the sole reason for my addiction. But when you teach a child that he cannot function without drugs/medications., the chances of them carrying that into adulthood rise

[@mikescrazycomedy7362]

Tell those soldiers who come back

[@laureah21]

This is a great example of gaslighting everyone. He has just told so many hurting people that their reality is not real. Trust me as someone who has CPTSD and has chosen not to medicate as I had reactions it’s far far more then grief (I’ve experienced that to) it’s very physical and you can’t take your thoughts captive as sometimes you have no thoughts. I had suppressed memories and it was all physical responses to stimulus that I struggled with. Praise God He is helping me heal. But this is not helpful to anyone. It is not compassionate and it is a good way to scare people away from The church who are dealing with acute trauma and chronic trauma in an evil world. Would you tell someone with high blood pressure not to take their meds as it’s just their anxious thoughts causing it?

[@VintageHart1]

He is telling the Truth in love. More helpful than bandaids.

[@laureah21]

@@VintageHart1 it’s not truth though

[@belindacontopulos4153]

This is not truth. Stating that these mental health conditions don't exist is harmful to the families dealing with them.

[@sir60man70]

Listen to the whole video.

[@joelfriesen9285]

Yes thank you for saying it’s not truth, as someone living with bipolar it is very hard to hear this

[@hexahexametermeter]

@@sir60man70 MacArthur's comments are undefendable. Stop trying.

[@sir60man70]

@@hexahexametermeter Why don't you listen to some of his other videos where he speaks about mental illness for more context. I'm not defending him. Also, you aren't my boss.

[@lee-lee2418]

The problem is, the families can't deal with it. A greater help is needed, in God's Word ❤

[@seancampbell414]

This is insane

[@SonnyBonobo]

He's right.

[@sethcarlisle7330]

I don't know about denying the idea that these mental illnesses actually exist. However I do agree that the diagnosis of such illnesses and medication is a little ridiculous. There's way too many people I've met in my life who excuse their behavior because they have anxiety or depression or Asperberger's or bipolar disorder.

[@BATTY3459]

I definitely agree that there are many people who excuse sinful behavior by using mental health labels and that that's wrong. God gives exemptions to no one when it comes to obedience, however at the same time, I think it can be helpful to talk about the condition so that people can be helped better. For example: anxiety disorder. Well meaning Christians might say stuff like "we all get nervous or fearful sometimes. Just trust God and cast your anxiety on Him." Yes, we should, but that's not exactly helpful to the person suffering from crippling anxiety that they can barely get out of bed. The tendency is compare those struggling with mental issues to "normal folks" as if it's the same and the same solutions across the board. Those with anxiety disorder experience fears at a heightened level from the normal person. So just throwing Bible verses at them doesn't help. That person needs to be walked through and taught how to apply the truths of scripture to their specific situation. They may need medication, but shouldn't depend on it more than God. Believers have to take the time to understand specific conditions to truly help. There's not always a simple cut-and-dry solution. Sin should never be excused, though in order for sin to be addressed properly in the life of a believer who struggles mentally, it might sometimes be necessary for fellow believers to understand what it is that is leading that person to react sinfully and then you can help them deal with it and put it to death.

[@azophi]

To be clear- Asperger’s syndrome is now just classified as part of the broader Autism Spectrum Disorder, due to more evidence connecting the two disorders as the same. So nowadays you can’t get diagnosed with just Asperger’s.

[@DrGero15]

Where did this clip come from?

[@marcusjohnson5839]

If people are upset about what J Mac said, go listen to Voddie Baucham said about mental health. Strange concept perhaps read what people who actually work in that profession have said after realizing that they were living in an industry that is built upon profits not making people better.

[@rrickarr]

Who is John MacArthur to say this???? What competence does this man have to say any of this? I wonder how much medication John MacArthur takes for physical ailments. It is one thing to say that medication is not the answer to PTSD but to say that it does not exist is cluelessness.

[@aimeebibletruth]

I have PTSD medication is not wrong if taken for situation and not abuse so what is he saying?

[@bcalhoun100]

I understand that what he said is almost like saying high blood pressure isn't real, it's actually just stress. But I wonder if anyone reading this who is offended could just let it go? He's human and if he said anything that needs correcting, he has plenty of people around him who will do it and keep him accountable. I'm noticing more and more people behaving as if they owe it to themselves to get offended. No, you don't have to.

[@jlc1637]

1. Where can I find the whole audio? 2. I’m Christian and also have mental illness and on medication. I don’t agree on his take on this, but he is also only a man. No one gets everything right. However after listening to John MacArthur for a good while I don’t believe he is trying to do harm by saying these things. I think he just cares about not jumping to medication for a solution while neglecting spiritual issues and the sin in our lives, which we all have including myself. Because those cause us mental harm. But we are also physical creatures and our brains are incredibly complex and depend on certain brain chemicals to work properly, which I don’t expect him to just know about because he’s not a medical doctor. I go back to Job and Elijah and David in the Bible. Job and Elijah were suicidal at one point. You can read many psalms about when David was depressed. Even Jesus himself was deeply sorrowful onto death in the Garden of Gethsemane. Whether your on medication or not or it’s physical, spiritual, mental, or a combination God understands and will walk through it with you as He did with all these men in the Bible.

[@bcalhoun100]

👍 I really, really, like your comment!!

[@betty4jesus]

Thank you for your comment! You just read my thought! Many Blessings! 🙏🏽😇

[@garygriffieth7294]

It’s not whether he means to hurt people, he ends up hurting people. Pastors like this are just as dangerous as the name it and claim it folks. Neither understands anything about medicine. They are not doctors and yet many Christians will take their advice and not get the help they need. It seems that this happens so much to certain preachers and pastors. They get a little famous and they start delving into things they know nothing about. I ve never really like John MacArthur because I always detect an arrogance about him. He has a platform that has helped many people over the years. But, I think he may need to retire or cut back, I’ve been a doctor for 47 years and stay on top of medicine but I would not think to be a pastor unless I had training and felt the. call from God to do that.

[@JimiSurvivor]

MacArthur whole theology is based on control. He is out his depth with souls in agony

[@ChampionsOfGracePodcast]

He later tried to walk back these comments about PTSD. I think his message really fell on deaf ears after he said that. His point is that putting people on drugs for every mental condition isn’t the solution, but he clearly lacks an understanding of psychiatric conditions like PTSD. Chalking it up to grief is bad practice for a man in his position. Children who grow up with extreme abuse have PTSD. It’s shown in brain scans. May God give John eyes to see and wisdom to make this one right.

[@user-kf8jk2cw4p]

If john mcarthur were to experience severe depression, just for 24 hours, he would NEVER make statements like that again...ive been to his church, took a class there that i could not finish. Teacher reiterated the same thing he is saying in the interview. I saw students looking around at each other in seeming disbelief...As far as mental illness is concered what they believe about mental illness only gets worse!!!

[@romandaigle455]

Mental illness is a demonic attack

[@S4vh55hdci]

I've been a licensed mental health provider for 38 years. Inpatient psychiatry and community mental health with some of the most severely disabled people on the planet. The message of this man does profound danger to people who believe the moronic things he says here. This is absolute gross negligence. Absolutely disgusting

[@fruitofspirit]

I love Dr. MacArthur. I love his teaching of the Bible. But he is a human man. And humans can be wrong, as he is in these statements. I have bipolar disorder, and if I abandon my medication for a long time, I'll end up in a hospital. And we have a daughter, Doni, who has Autism. God allows for the medication we both take that enable us to function. I maintain that our medications are necessary, but the medications are not what restored our souls. That only is Jesus Christ.

[@tylerlopez]

But you have to confess that MacArthur is wrong and should be called out for it.

[@awezman]

He is acting like his opinion is fact, what discernment🤡

[@fruitofspirit]

@@tylerlopez I said he is wrong in my comment.

[@user-ij7zz1rb2e]

He's incredibly prideful and ignorant on so many topics!

[@user-ij7zz1rb2e]

Wow! He is incredibly prideful and ignorant about mental health. I have seen him spew SO many lies online and never once seem him humbly admit that he was wrong!

[@Jordankulbeck]

I think Costi glitched for a good 150 seconds.

[@johnnyb836]

Amen. He speaks truth. Praise Jesus. The true healer John 3-16

[@HiThereHeyThere]

In his book "The Vanishing Conscience" MacArthur makes his case against modern psychology by countering it with scripture. You can understand more of what he is explaining by reading it.

[@JimiSurvivor]

When I was about 6 I had a very high fever that peaked at about 107 F. Needless to say the brain does not operate correctly at that temperature so, as they put me in an ice bath, I was heard to say "Get the policemen out of here." Of course this was a delusion or more accurately a delirium. It was NOT the DEVIL controlling my mind but an utterance of a diseased mind. No doubt if John MacArthur were the one with my illness he would have (even unconsciously) quoted scriptures since "out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks" (but I doubt it) MacArthur is one who has what C. S. Lewis calls "good digestion" or a stable temperament but it did not originate with him. It was a gift of God which he takes for granted. Were he to contract rabies, I have no doubt that MacArthur would sooner or later be possessed by something that looked like a mad spirit. It is the nature of the illness as true for Reformed theologians as for anyone else. Many things can overrule ones faculties, a physical illness as well as a mental one and, as long as we are in the flesh we will be affected by it. Dr. MacArthur is just as subject to heart failure, cancer strokes as anyone else even mental illness. People with mental illness do not not, as a rule, lack a conscience although John MacArthur smears them with this charge. I feel sorry for all those who are stigmatized by MacArthur's prejudicial judgment

[@SemoneSimmons]

I deeply respect Dr. MacArthur and understand and share concerns about the overprescribing of psychiatric meds and over-diagnosis and even false-diagnosis of certain mental health conditions, but I would never deny a condition like PTSD exists. It’s certainly more than grief. There are people who have suffered real and severe trauma in their lives. Someone near and dear to my heart for example was beaten savagely by his father until his teens years and watched his mother and siblings being abused by him as well. He was also then drafted in the Vietnam war where he has stories of the guns and bombs and shooting people and being shot at … these people included children who were trying to kill him … whom he likely had to killed. He suffers from nightmares, fights in his sleep, insomnia and depression. Medication actually hasn’t been helpful to him and he doesn’t like how it makes him feel. Does he need gospel hope? Absolutely! But he also needs compassion, patience, understanding, and time for the great physician to heal and give him comfort, encouragement and strength. It would be completely wrong and disheartening to call what he is experiencing merely grief. It is beyond grief. I admit I am highly suspicious of the fields of psychology and psychiatry, and I am deeply concerned about the church being unprepared to minister to people with conditions such as the one I have described. We need to come to better understand the depths of our fallen condition and how we can bring gospel hope to those in mental health crisis with the confidence that the Lord is the great physician and wonderful counselor. He knows and sees all and can heal these maladies of the mind by whatever means he chooses. But I don’t think it is helpful to make blanket denials.

[@dcluizi3088]

He sounds like a word of faith preacher !! We’res justin peters with this one . If you just faith it away it won’t exist , lol .

[@JimiSurvivor]

Yes he does sound WOF

[@audreyd6725]

Ugh

[@faridzaiter]

Never seen MacArthur Be So reckless and stupidly wrong about any subject this bad

[@MicahBBurke]

Wow... what a way to throw hurting, struggling Christians under a bus saying they're all in sin because they have actual medical conditions. WTG John.

[@hexahexametermeter]

Particularly vets.

[@tonygardiner5585]

where did he even said sin? he also said its not PTSD its Grief.

[@hexahexametermeter]

@@tonygardiner5585 PTSD is not grief. PTSD is a disability. Grief is an emotion.

[@user-kf8jk2cw4p]

Those in agreement with what he says have never experienced chronic depression.

[@CrazyHomelessWeirdo]

Man as a person diagnosed with autism ADHD and OCD I was ready to dislike this video and heat on John MacArthur thinking he was wrong. but someone else in the comment section said he's not saying that these things don't exist I was just talking about the danger of the philosophy of labels those are conclusions that I have come to you in my own mind as I've grown older. How it doesn't make sense that I'm not responsible for what I do because of label x attached to my name. Also that breeds the victim mentality in the hopeless mentality because you're stuck with this thing and unless some external sing like medication are involved in your life you are going to stay stuck not even God himself can help you how can God take something from you if you can't even own it and give it up to God. Also these labels did psychology loves to put on people on another way of segregating a certain population of people in making them feel like they're different version of humanity then other people who don't have the labels. John MacArthur is 100% right. Because psychology as it is now it's an awful system

[@garygriffieth7294]

As a developmental pediatrician, and a Christian, I find his advice offensive

[@Ashaphim107]

Saying you're sceptical of over-medication or labelling or whatever is totally different to saying a problem doesn’t exist. Hey, did you know, depression isnt real? It's just being sad for a really long time! Aging isn't real, you're just slowing down.

[@OCDrummer74]

PTSD comment … I listened and I’ll give him some grace as I think he misspoke or speaks as he often does in black and white terms, which is where I think he goes wrong and people maybe miss a good point he may be trying to make about quickly turning to medication, especially for kids. But, he says something that got my attention more… That if you parent your kids right, they will make good choices. Another black and white statement that we know is not true, and what about Adam and Eve’s choice, were they not parented right? Hmmm?

[@kimberlyschulz9889]

This is so uneducated. There are a lot of non-medicated ways of dealing with PTSD, but sometimes medicine is needed. It is real. Mental health is physical health.

[@elciscoplummer3255]

I wouldn’t say it is uneducated. It is only a partial truth. We can’t deny that nowadays, it’s far too easy to medicate people for the slightest behavioral issue that arises. On that point, I agree with John here. It is, however, a GROSS OVERSIMPLIFICATION to say that “there is no such thing as PTSD, etc.” Like everything else, John only looks through the eyes of a Pastor- I think he should have AT LEAST qualified his statement donas not to sound as though he is denying the existence of real suffering.

[@michaeldukes4108]

@@elciscoplummer3255No, it’s uneducated.

[@RJScott-mt1jx]

@@elciscoplummer3255a partial truth is a lie

[@sir60man70]

@@elciscoplummer3255 I think his answer here is a bit narrow but I've seen him speak in more depth on mental health in some of his Q&A videos and he's not so narrow minded as most people commenting on here would like to think and he understands that mental health is real. I get what he's saying that in today's world we slap a diagnosis on people and give them a prescription to go with it and send them away when muchj of what they are dealing with is some sort of spiritual warefare with the expectation it can be midicated away.

[@kaseyzwolinski8180]

Nobody is denying that modern medicine can’t mitigate the symptoms, but that’s all modern/Western medicine is; treatment of symptoms. Big Pharma doesn’t cure anything. All disease and disorders can be traced to a lack of of sustenance, and healthy lifestyles. Explain to me how two people can have the “same” experiences, but have different outcomes. Some of them didn’t need medication. Modern medicine is an outright lie. It’s an industry worth hundreds of billions of dollars. You’re indoctrinated…just like 90%+ of doctors. And their livelihoods depend on them following orders, i.e. Covid.

[@rdrift1879]

Drip by drip he is destroying his legacy.

[@AWOLCHRISTIAN]

Let him do so as it’s all predestined right?!!

[@TheAWPinkPanther]

John has been saying this for years. And it’s also the prevalent view of the biblical counseling movement. Robert D Smith MD, for example has had books out saying this same thing for over a decade. Here’s a video of Jmac saying this same thing nearly a decade ago: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3isc3dum7WJjZYsi=8K9lLVtwEtM6WIUZ That aside, I still disagree with him on this, and I think it must only stem from his personal experience of not having any neurological issues. As he gets older he may soon realize that neurological disorders are real.

[@JimiSurvivor]

He has been wrong about a lot of things for over a decade

[@lisamarieharmon8585]

Somebody needs to stop this man. He's causing damage!

[@sonyamichaels6068]

Stop him! Why? Because you disagree with him. Many people agree and you need to stop controlling people from sharing a different point of view.

[@ZebBcomedy]

He's completely unqualified to speak on such things. Why can't guys like this stay in their lane?

[@Jordankulbeck]

Only a qualified person can make the claim if someone is qualified or not.

[@user-kf8jk2cw4p]

Folks like these have never experienced mental illness. I have ALWAYS said...if they were to experience severe depression just for 24 hours...they would NEVER say what they say EVER AGAIN....24 HOURS !!!

[@ZebBcomedy]

@@hush5572 No, I did not.

[@Makersofcare]

People suffer MORE when you don’t validate their pain! John MacArthur lacks empathy. He’s causing incredible damage with these statements and they are ignorant.

[@VintageHart1]

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[@foltyn_noah]

hes correct they are lies and arent real

[@shaynecrum2949]

There are some aspects of this that are correct in some way...but for the most part this is absolutely wrong. For example, when a soldier whitnesses women being gang r****d, then tortured, then killed, and cant do anything about it, it effects you, then the soldier watches their friends die, and babies being impailed on stakes, and watches someone burned alive. All the while they are being trained for months and years to perform a service to their country, to take up the responsibility to defend freedom. Trained to perform duties in service of a greater mission than themselves. And when this soldier comes homes, yes the Soldier has grief, and in this particular instance, they have....post (after) traumatic (trauma) stress (stress) is this normal/orderly/ordinary? No, its abnormal/un-ordinary...dis-order. Also, a percentage of his theology is wrong, so theres that.

[@MBVXONIDE]

Look you need to add infinite love to what pastor John is saying the context is in infinite love then you will understand John s words … do t be so quick to judge him …

[@belindacontopulos4153]

I am going to go further with my comments. It was this type of advice from several Christian pastors that confused my husband and I so much when my husband I were trying to navigate care for my son with bipolar disorder. Because of this kind of direction, we were thrown way of course and didn't pursue proper care as a child. My son lived a tortured life and died at age 26. Working my last 8 years before retirement in a mental health clinic for severe and chronically mentally ill adults, I can tell you that these diseases are not choices. Yes, there are choices involved during care and treatment, but is not a choice that causes cancer or mental illness. As a family support specialist, I learned that much of the blame parents deal with come can come from the tongues of clergy who were uneducated about mental health. May is Mental Health Month...learn more...NAMI...or watch our family film, BEAUTIFUL BOY MORE THAN AN ADDICT

[@careyflores7358]

I am so incredibly sorry for your loss and also for the ill advice and counsel you should not have been given

[@belindacontopulos4153]

Thank you so very much.

[@jennifertownsend6068]

He is wrong about this and most of the other things he preaches 🙈🙄🙄🙄

[@Sheep0417_]

This is a gross mischaracterization of what mental health issues are. God bless all those Christian’s who are in the trenches of spiritual warfare with their brothers and sisters who suffer from these ailments.

[@sir60man70]

So are they "spiritual warfare or "ailments?"

[@sonyamichaels6068]

@@sir60man70 Exactly! If you are in spiritual warfare, then it is Satan. But if it was an illness, there is no warfare.

[@davaedein]

This is ignorance at its highest level.

[@ChampionsOfGracePodcast]

MacArthur is not backed by all of his peers on this issue. Watch him laugh in the face of Piper as he opens up about his depression: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4fcoZ-Giah6m9Usi=5xI9rKf0F_7I1LkH

[@sdb6757]

Go home John MacArthur.

[@hettinga359]

When godly men talk out of their butt…

[@nancybargar8755]

That's what I was thinking...in so many words. 😉 'Stick to teaching the Word, Pastor'!

[@hettinga359]

@@nancybargar8755 lol not my most gracious response. I do believe pastors should apply the Word to every aspect of life but there has to be a measure of humility when addressing issues which lie outside your knowledge or experience. I had a similar view of mental disorders until I experienced them firsthand in my children and friends

[@nancybargar8755]

You were to the point...in language I understand! Lol I completely agree with your last comment. The Word is able to divide bone from marrow! And yet, too...I have a son who is in law enforcement who has seen and endured such evil. So there is the spiritual part and then the part that is the aftermath. PTSD. YET! God is able and willing to heal my son and your friends and family members. But, PTSD is real. Not only "grief". IMHO...

[@hettinga359]

@@nancybargar8755 it’s definitely real. I’m in the military and have buddies whose nerves are fried because of their experiences and barely sleep. Knowing the Lord makes a huge difference when it comes to processing and healing from traumatic experiences but it’s not a magic cure that makes it all go away

[@hexahexametermeter]

Godly is not the word I would choose.

[@user-db9xv5wb9n]

I think people need to do more research before attacking him.

[@sir60man70]

Like lookking up some more video where I've seen him address mental health a bit more throughly than in this video. There's a good Q&A he did on it somewhere but not sure how to find it.

[@Etruth907]

He just needs to retire- Just making things up and buying into conspiracy theories now.

[@jasoncousins1343]

Sorry guys your reaction says it all its true what he says

[@lauramckinney9896]

He is so right. People have real problems, but labeling issues so they can be medicated is criminal.

[@stephaniegarcia-ty5my]

I agree with this 10000%

[@andys208]

Well that’s what I see when I read the Bible. Thanks for truth. The world sadly has a different way. Not to undermine the seriousness, but truth is always met with blessings.

[@timturnage576]

You must have read the McArthur fundamentalist Study bible.

[@deborahrodgers7721]

I can tell you MacArthur is incorrect on this subject. He does not understand brain chemistry. Can people be over medicated or incorrectly, yes but medication often keeps people from being homeless. Its the people who refuse meds that end up ruining relationships and destroying their lives. What a sad commentary that is spoken here! So many Christians will listen to this poor advice and lose everything because of it. I work in Christian mental health and have been in practice over 30 years. The people we see make the most progress are the ones who know the Lord, do counseling and take meds as needed. Do not listen to this foolishness

[@donpetty7584]

This vid needs to be taken down. The man has no training in the science of psychology or psychiatry. He believes that both professions are "sinful" and "wicked". His opinions are like those from the 1700s and 1800s. They are outdated, simplistic, and misguided. That's the best spin I can put on them. We do live in a fallen, imperfect world. A lot of the emotional disorders that people develop are due to improper messages children get as they are growing up. If a child is physically, emotionally, or sexually abused they often internalize the abuse. That means that as children they don't have the capacity to understand why Dad or Mom are behaving in an inappropriate manner. All they know is that Dad is an adult and because he is, he must know more and better than me, the child. So, his anger (abuse) must be justified and I (child) must be wrong. The child internalizes the abuse and believes that he/she is in the wrong, is bad, is unworthy of love. They leave the home at 18 or so to live their own lives and these distorted thoughts are within them causing havoc in their adult lives as they seek to make their own way. This distorted or unhealthy thinking often causes major depressive disorder or an anxiety or panic disorder. This has to be treated in counseling for the person to get better. Sometimes the adult child attempts suicide and sometimes they are successful all because they believe a lie, that they are bad and unworthy of love. And getting through to them that what they believe is a lie is sometimes difficult. Thinking creates emotions and they don't "feel" good or worthy because of what they "learned" to think as children. It takes work to change their thinking, which will change how they feel about themselves. MacArthur doesn't understand or believe any of this, but it's simple logic that we as humans have learned over the last 75 years or so. Calvinism, which is what MacArthur holds to, is not conducive with these sick people getting better, for the most part. It's an old, outdated doctrine, IMO, that needs to be buried. In regards to bi-polar disorder, there is strong evidence it is a medical illness caused by a defective gene(s). Dr. David D. Burns states that studies show that if an identical twin develops bi-polar illness there is a 50% to 75% chance the other twin will, also. They share identical genes. Whereas if a nonidentical twin develops the illness there is a 10% to 25% chance the other twin will develop the illness. Nonidentical twins share only half of the same genes. This holds up even if the identical twins are raised by different sets of parents. So, please don't lump bi-polar illness in with psychosomatic illnesses. It is a different type of disorder and one that is often inherited.

[@jackcarraway4707]

I dare this 🤡 to say this to a Vietnam or Iraq vet.

[@fredmatthews1970]

Toxic theology at its finest.

[@johnhamilton2923]

Christian Science?

[@hexahexametermeter]

Might as well be.

[@paulvoit5610]

Yet another false teacher bringing 'strange fire' in order to deny what is true.

[@S4vh55hdci]

This is what severely damages the religion business and Christianity in particular. The guy needs to stay in his lane and preach whatever he wants but stay out of the mental health business.

[@AnabelaDaCruz]

I agree with John MacArthur

[@robertlotzer7627]

What really bothers me about this is how arrogant a pastor has to be to make such declarations against medical science. This has always troubled me with biblicism. How can a pastor speak intelligently about everything? Is there no limit to what a pastor knows? I mean a pastor or theologian can and should speak about how a psychiatrist should apply his science morally but to make huge, generalized claims about whole swaths of a science without expertise and training is to treat one’s own knowledge of the world as god-like and lacks all humility of a shepherd of the flock. And no one can chalk this up to old age for MacArthur. He’s been speaking like this his whole life and he should be ashamed of himself

[@thevoiceoftheteacher3581]

Wow, this guy is so wrong

[@chazayah5985]

If you suffer mental illness you got demons to

[@LostNF0und]

Willful ignorance. J Mac, please stick to the gospel.

[@thegracecast40]

It’s time for MacArthur to resign. Forfeit the pulpit so that a SHEPHERD can step up. I’m calling for his resignation

[@hexahexametermeter]

He's also a tyrant who is answerable to no one.

[@chantonpetersen6431]

Why? Because he consistently calls it as it is? Besides he is not the only one. All Bible believing Christians trusting in the all sufficiency if Scripture will agree with him, that the remedy to all Soul conditions is the gospel and the gospel alone, to deal with all those issues in a Biblical way and not stick a label on it prescribe a litany of drugs and bound that person into believing he has a lifelong condition. Perhaps it's exactly Big Pharma that's not as loving.

[@DavidMedic447]

@@hexahexametermeter100%

[@bibletruthreformed]

Agree with John MacArthur 100%! The lies of psychiatric diagnosis need to be addressed!

[@chantonpetersen6431]

Yep agree 1000% with him too. Yes there are legitimate biological conditions that some people have with their brain (a physical organ) but mental illness has in mind something wrong with their mind (a non - physical part of your being) And just because the Psychiatric fraternity put a label on you does not make it so. The truth is we have a society that attempts to live their lives as if God does not exist, and so instead of following and listening to Him who has created us and know better what makes us tick, the philosophers wants us to make sense of this world and what's plaguing us as if God is not there. And so we call the drunkard as having a disease, and instead of repenting and fleeing from that sin (as the Bible prescribe it) The alcoholic (nicer word) are told his addiction is life long and will ever be in bondage to his LUST for alcohol. And the list can go on with the litany of absurd disorders so spuriously diagnosed by the psychiatric community.

[@bibletruthreformed]

@@chantonpetersen6431 YES! Agree!

[@AWOLCHRISTIAN]

@@bibletruthreformedYou seriously need to take off your blind glasses. This man needs to step down immediately and spare Christianity his ridiculous false musings. If you want to know the truth about mental illness, I suggest you listen to people who are dealing with it daily and not the crap, crass conclusions being spewed out here. I’ll remember this is just a “noble lie” when I have my next flashback of my father sexually abusing me as a child. Yeah, that should do the trick!

[@210encouragment]

This man has done more damage to the church than the world has ever thought of…. Sad

[@zachroman9902]

Mcarthur is right 👍

[@editorsdd]

John Macrathur is teaching from the Bible. Hence Bible is always correct.

[@DavidMedic447]

@@editorsddthis is 100% his opinion not scripture based

[@danbratten3103]

This is one of the reasons why this guy is a horrible pastor. What a terrible person. Repent John.

[@georgetanz]

John Mac Athur is perfectly right! He just quote from a book about the "noble lies". Chill down. Psychology try to sanctify people unbiblically.John Mac Arthur is right.