John McWhorter, Ayishat Akanbi and Roger Berkowitz 'Language and Race: The Words We Live In'

[@mexbutler1661]

So helpful. Thanks.

[@rustyshackleford8497]

Thanks for the upload! This was too buried for such big names!

[@SauronKierkegaard]

Two brilliant guests; fantastic to see them together. Being as John is an arts lover (and a musician), it would have been a great excuse to bring Ayishat's aesthetic knowledge into the conversation too

[@AnthonyBarksFine]

My ancestry is from Scotland and Puerto Rico. These locales have never determined my identity, so in that sense, "people of whiteness" are lucky. I think "identifying" can be clarifying but unfortunately, it can also be limiting. The N word seems to help enforce that limitation.

[@DaboooogA]

20:45 'black' is an American creation - the late Stanley Crouch wrote endlessly on this subject.

[@siriuslyspeaking9720]

McWhorter is mistaken at around 22:00, where he says ADOS means 'American Descendants of Slaves' . This is an honest mistake, but 'S' in this acronym inexplicably stands for slavery and not slave. Taken literally it means many White-Americans are eligible for reparations, when this acronym was specifically created for the purpose of identifying who is eligible for reparations. The organization itself was created for this purpose. Why would the two people who claim, to be its creators, by pass the word slaves, to say slavery? It doesn't make any sense, and is inconsistent with the arguments they have made, on this issue. I have argued this on the internet, since I first heard of them. I have had nearly no responses, to my argument, from anyone, which is even more perplexing to me. I've even asked to be recued, if I'm wrong, but it seems I'm alone in this, as well as on the issue of many Black intellectuals and activists, in relatively recent years, now inexplicably saying "Black on Black crime is not a thing, after we as a people, have publicly called each other out, on the high rate of violence we inflict on each other, in many different ways. They use the excuse that basically people hurt those they live near. They speak of "proximity" as being the main consideration, in their evaluation of these acts. Proximity is the the main consideration, but not the sense of proximity they use. It is not the physical proximity, but the closeness of the relationship, between the victim and perpetrator. Many who have this dismissive/indifferent attitude today, never expressed it in the past, and so why now? Michael Eric Dyson has a new book out now. He may in fact be the major instigator of this new attitude among some of us, spanning many decades. I imagine he may be doubling down on his insistence, that the level of violence among us, should not be considered criminal, because it is something that should be expected. That we Black people say we are a people of the oral traditional, sadly rings hollow to me today. We are a highly fractured people, only becoming more so, as we decline, rather than make advancements in society, in far too many of the areas of life, that are most important. Our verbal communicative interactions highlights the state of decline we are in. The rhetoric of the woke especially, among us, shows a severe disregard for the value of words/language, we are so loose with them, and give them new meanings far too often, as to make any word, seem a mere child's toy to be pushed aside or thrown away. When will we grow out of it? What is even worst, is that we don't seem to be maturing with time. These two examples, as well as the use of the phrases 'Black lives matter', and 'defund and abolish police & prison', are stark examples of the senseless/careless use of words, by people who obviously know better. Who needs White supremacy, Trumpism, anti-Blackness, etc., to do to us, what they do, when we do this to ourselves? A modicum of forethought would have predicted what the response from the other-side would be, to the proclamation that our lives matter, yet it was made the rallying cry anyway. And so what has all the protesting, looting, destruction, and deaths gained? It seems almost nothing matters today, certainly not the truth. Did it ever, as the late George Carlin made the point so succinctly, when he said - American was founded by people who wanted to be free, who at the same time held other people in slavery?

[@safetythirdified]

succinctness is not your strong suit, is it.

[@SvenErik_Lindstrom3]

@@safetythirdified LOL

[@harrisonmccomb1511]

@siriuslyspeaking9720 mistakenly uses illegible when meaning to use eligible.

[@siriuslyspeaking9720]

@@harrisonmccomb1511 Thanks it needs a lot of editing.😟