John Salley on Why Michael Jordan Didn't Kill the Men who Killed His Father (Part 13)

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In this clip, John Salley reacts to Daniel Green, the man convicted of killing Michael Jordan's father, saying that he would be dead if Jordan wanted him killed. John disagreed, saying it's a "good cop-out." He went on to speak about his coach talking him out of going after his friends killer and not wanting to continue the cycle of murder. To hear more, including John's reaction to Daniel Green being put in cell #23, hit the above clip.

[@powderedtoastfacekillah734]

Imagine 6’6” Jordan in all black sliding on his pop’s killers Last thing you see before you die is Jordan aiming at you with his tongue out

[@marcwilliams7956]

Tall Man "Slim Jordan".

[@ma.cannon2849]

6-0 Bullets in the chamber. Every hit is a W

[@jonbugadii1389]

But he’ll be guilty once they put him in the line up lol the cop gon be like “ ok now stick your tongue out like you’re dunking”

[@The1DarkBoy]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@pighater951]

😋😋🤪😜😝😛😂😂😂😂😂😋

[@NOVMBER]

If a man tells their coach on the phone that they’re going to NY to kill someone, that means they never wanted to kill the man to begin with. He was hoping he would be stopped. Someone who doesn’t want to be stopped is going to say they have family issues, or some other matter that they have to attend. A lot of us want to be subconsciously stopped.

[@bigweezo2341]

100% agree

[@Boomslang1]

Exactly!!! Even them people who ring up everybody saying they're gonna kill themselves really want someone to stop them

[@starkkprimera2471]

Thank u ! Plain n simple

[@DefkonAndLector]

You people sound a whole lot like you're speaking from a place of ignorance. There is exactly ZERO research to support the argument that if people really want to kill themselves/others, that they don't speak on it. Zero evidence. A bunch of people parrotting what they heard a bunch of other people say, doesn't constitute it as a fact.

[@DefkonAndLector]

@Natural Born Hustler✓ That's not how that works at all. You're an idiot. Stay the fuck in the suburbs where you're save. Stop speaking on shit you know absolutely nothing about.

[@VictorRodriguez-xk5ck]

This title wild af 🤣

[@bradbunch6694]

Lol keep it real 🤣😭🤣

[@jamesreed17]

Like a action movie plot

[@polothispolothat6050]

😩😩😩

[@__JJN__]

Part 13

[@elguerokabron]

He kind of resembles Anthony davis but older version

[@onyx9857]

Jayson Williams backtracking faster than a dude who shot his limo driver.

[@braxtonslife7779]

The amount of shit you can get away with saying in a book is mind numbing. Unless the person opens a lawsuit on you, anything goes.

[@PragmaticProminence]

His mannerisms are very untrustworthy 😒

[@CRLKLL]

LOL 🤣😆😂 I love you

[@robbierude247]

@@PragmaticProminence He's been thru alot to bro , he's obviously had ptsd .

[@jeffreyloskoskill4901]

He must have got a call from His Airness. 🐐

[@seang9450]

One thing I've learned in this country is that if you have the money and connections then nothing is impossible.

[@xgengx7530]

Jeffery Epstein is a prime example. Dude got away with child molestation for years

[@Gamebreaker08]

Bro shooting someone in the heart with a .22, and it took them 2 hours to die. That has got to be one of the cruelest ways to kill somebody.

[@JsoloMakeup]

The fact that Vlad got this man on a call to tell him what MJ said is beyond me 😑 messy af

[@raymiller7961]

Exactly. Sick

[@NOVMBER]

Why do people write books then cop out from what they said? I’ve never understood that. It takes the credibility from the entire book.

[@777jones]

I can explain it. Sometimes people have to vent and tell the truth. But the truth hurts people in their life, so they have to pretend to take it back.

[@BruBoyz]

💯Stand on your words.

[@fresh2def23231]

Exactly

[@NOVMBER]

777jones thanks for explaining that 💯

[@eyebelieve3]

@@777jones orrrrr they were just talking shit for sales!

[@michaels5647]

Guy killed my uncle and got 7 years back in ‘91 I’ll never forget as an 11yo kid going with my parents to clean out his house and seeing the murder scene. People say they could kill someone with now remorse. I beg to differ. It takes true hatred to kill someone. It’s something most people don’t have in them.

[@adamsamuel8593]

True and there is something called Karma. You pay for your sins before meeting God.

[@crackericeproductions]

@@adamsamuel8593 karma doesnt exist

[@gl6996]

@@crackericeproductions Thank you. You beat me to it. Karma is nowhere in the Bible. You reap what you sow. Good and bad.

[@deezycash4179]

Or u can have a mind of nothingness

[@goddesshof8809]

Hatred isn't the only thing that drives people to kill. Anger, sadness, pleasure, fear, envy are all things that can drive someone to kill. Even a strong sense of protectiveness over something or someone.

[@littjayy3533]

Michael Jordan:”After I read the title it became personal for me”

[@trustplanet]

Yeah this probably isn’t the one.

[@LACROSSECXL]

Mike spoke from emotion. Mike spoke from anger. Mike spoke out of the the love he had for his Dad.

[@Fredobardott]

Nah mike got that killer mentality fr

[@Alk-rk6yu]

If Jordan did it, not only will it be obvious that it was him. But he would’ve tore his legacy his name and his image, and his father would’ve been disappointed. Also his family needed him to be the man that held them together

[@rooseveltdarbey9493]

Exactly his legacy would be destroyed

[@Keepskatin]

Killing the man that kills your father is honor, loyalty and a new legacy..

[@user-sz6kp1tn6c]

@@Keepskatin @Keepskatin It is also in violation of the 6th amendment written by God. I don't get why you think taking a human life is worth it if you get honor, loyalty and legacy from other people.

[@Keepskatin]

@@user-sz6kp1tn6c If the government kills the killer it is okay, but the government is corrupt and varies sentencing from race to race, wealth to wealth, person to person. If you do take the law into your own hands and kill the killer, you are still redeemable for the Lord, of course he prefers you let the law handle it.

[@rexfordkoomsonii1409]

Bullshit. You come for mine, Imma end you. Simple. 💯

[@kabelomaragelo2745]

You can tell Jayson Williams was lying about what MJ said.

[@houdinidagreat3]

😂😂😂

[@selfishstockton6123]

How

[@AHMAD-2324]

Explain how you could tell he was lieing?...

[@kabelomaragelo2745]

@@AHMAD-2324 Werent you listening?He back peddled to what he said. His book said he wanted to kill whoever murdered his father but in the interview he says something totally different.

[@mrdntgivafuc9758]

Nahhhh He just didn’t wanna come off like he’s outing MJ.

[@JokeHype]

“If I shoot you, I’m brainless, but if you shoot me then you’re famous” - Jay-Z

[@ryansarrett3178]

That was canibus... not gay z.

[@JokeHype]

@@ryansarrett3178 they’re literally his opening bars in Street Is Watching you fool 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@ryansarrett3178]

Your right... My bad.... No need for name calling bro.

[@ryansarrett3178]

Although canibus said something similar in melatonin majik

[@JokeHype]

@@ryansarrett3178 no drama my g, that was more me little brothering you for saying something silly 👊🏾😂.. Hov said this in 97 and it’s become one of his most famous and quoted lines. Stay blessed my guy 👊🏾

[@maxlank539]

Vlad really interviewed one of the guys who helped kill jordans dad wow thats like some next next next level weirdo shit

[@Jc-si6pj]

Vlad is an antagonizer

[@bonniekeeley1213]

not everybodys a murderer

[@jojojohnson8056]

Revenge aint murder

[@DoinLifeProductions]

Any man can kill whether hes pulling the trigger or not... remember that and watch your back

[@DoinLifeProductions]

@Nathaniel Baxter the law and humanity is two different things

[@jojojohnson8056]

@Nathaniel Baxter i told em and they told me to tell you that you should be more worried about catching the guy who stole your ass cherry in college.

[@omars2029]

Gay asf to even comment that weirdo

[@georgeaksich9017]

Salley is a wise and spiritual man. I can relate to how he looks at life.

[@lyricjones8851]

Mike should snuff all three of y'all for talking about his private conversations & family business. Rest in power to good man.

[@Rubrick23.]

Amen

[@francheskavega7251]

True💯💯💯

[@UncutDatingTruths]

Who else thinks vlad interviews people to just hype his own self up?

[@stanleyscott4270]

I do! I feel like vlad is a real BITCH!

[@powderedtoastfacekillah734]

Bit of a stretch

[@knightsplumbingrepair5203]

I*29

[@boogie1982]

Don't watch or listen to him then 🤷

[@paperchaser4176]

You ever notice his voice gets all giddy when he gets excited lol

[@DjTriniyankee]

This is clickbait! The answer is because he is michael jordan and he would be thrown in jail!

[@mikejones-mo8xh]

You would of clicked even if it didn't have a title

[@powderedtoastfacekillah734]

Not clickbait at all

[@deandremorgan9032]

Stfu

[@therealist2000]

Exactly !

[@123rudyboo]

No he didn't kill him because it was a hit from above (ILLUMINATE). I'M talking about MJ father...

[@lilbondeck100]

Mike was talking out of emotion. 11/10 people would have killed a killer who harmed there family with a gun if they were next to them. Would Mike go out of his way to get him killed, I severely doubt that. I think Mike was talking of the aspect of him being face to face with the killers while he has a gun on him. Stay in school guys and have a nice day😉

[@jaygotteiner8144]

there. Their

[@spidertheakronaut]

"so they moved me to cell 23. ... And I took that personally."

[@HiThere-tv2bd]

Sure in the heat of the moment you say those type of things but then reality kicks in and you realize that it won’t stop your pain, it won’t bring your loved one back and you’ll just end up in a worse situation.

[@ChrisGFields]

Wildest title I’ve ever read.

[@JKelly-sd2qb]

Why would Vlad even bring what Jordan said up to the killer that way

[@allanomalla2120]

Because Vlad is an instigating snitch.

[@tgirl1762]

The real question is why would he even interview and give a murderer a platform? Who the hell wants to hear what he gotta say?🤨

[@JKelly-sd2qb]

@@tgirl1762 💯

[@keshahudson4506]

Actually mj would hv had to hv done it himself and take it to his grave .#1 firat rule on how to get away with murder do it your damn self🤷🏿and tell nonone🙃

[@michiganman8383]

What the hell is vlad talkin about...Powerful people send hits all the time.

[@sadvntg]

which is why the dude on the phone was right. if MJ wanted him dead he would be dead simple.

[@9doggie12]

People who aren’t connected do yes.

[@astheskylarksings]

“I’ll never be able to interview Jordan, but I’ll show him by giving a platform to the dudes who killed his father.”

[@peterhernandez7817]

Exactly, what I was thinking. Total sleaze Vlad is. Just like he does with EM. Eminem won't do his sleazefest so he interviews anyone close to him to try to monetize off his name. Vlad is a bum

[@papercitypanda]

Vlad is a sucker thats why errol spence rejected him lol

[@ryublueblanka]

Jordan knows why they killed his father and he couldn't retaliate if he wanted to. A quote from Jordan when asked if he wanted to know why they killed his father he said "I don't want to know why they killed my father. It would hurt too much" He knows and that quote says so much. The NBA and powers that be know why they did that.

[@Ell747]

FACTS

[@Aka__YG]

True I think Jordan was the one that made the decision anybody would wanna know why unless you already know why maybe that’s why his career was so good cause he sacrificed

[@rondoe7781]

I want that damn shirt he wearing real talk 🤦🏿‍♂️👍🏿 weed be better off 😭

[@1Humbly]

Big Facts💯

[@beatleneil]

Get a 'Silhouette' plotter/printer. It's less than 200 dollars. U can make a shirt like this in less than an hour. It's fun doing too.

[@JB-gc6jo]

2:05... boooy you was on tape 🤯🤣🤣

[@keithappolis1606]

interview Larry Johnson former NFL running back

[@ma.cannon2849]

They forgot about LJ

[@gjackson9590]

Yeah he'll go in

[@MrHutchiemcfly]

I’m sure he has some Roc Nation stories

[@asrielbeats7421]

He’s not gonna do that Larry knows he’s a Israelite that interview will not happen vlad is scared !!!

[@bharliedessalines1391]

That would be so dope lmaooo he would shake the room. Definitely would be memorable

[@sanzrich9887]

Secretly I've always wondered this when I was younger.

[@themansince]

If MJ killed somebody and gets caught, he is going to prison for life. It's not worth it!

[@87Michael]

Vlad are you serious with this title?? 😐

[@theironknight597]

Finding out out someone you know and loved was killed hurts, but if they would've wanted you to kill that person and go to jail and destroy your life and hurt those around you then that person never loved you or cared about you. Mike may have said that in the moment even though it's pretty obvious that Jayson Williams was talking out of his ass to write that book or whatever. But he instead chose to live out his father's dream and play baseball knowing that was what his father wanted. And to honor him even further he would return to the NBA and win it all on Father's Day for his dad. Would you rather kill those guys and more than likely go to jail and destroy and hurt those around you even more or would you rather live out your father's dream and eventually honor him in the greatest way you know how. Mike had a choice and as far as I myself am concerned and any sane person is concerned he made the right decision.

[@coreyeatmon5101]

The problem is you can't get away with it. The law or the streets usually handle a murder.

[@judymcgaugh6480]

I think Michael Jordan only said that because its very fresh in his heart , and his feeling were on his sleeve..so you can not take what he said and convict him for feeling that way.. Also I think just like the guy who killed his dad said, "IF JORDAN WANTED HIM DEAD HE WOULD BE DEAD ALREADY...

[@vacaymcfallin]

“Everyone turns against the famous guy” In Tekashi, the famous guy turned against everyone. Who’s right and who’s wrong?

[@vacaymcfallin]

Vodoo Child who’s right and who’s wrong? If Tekashi got everybody before they got him is he right or wrong?

[@vacaymcfallin]

Vodoo Child watch this interview and revisit the question.

[@michaele5173]

I live about 5 minutes away from the bridge where his dad's body was found in the creek. Literally in the middle of nowhere.

[@hymanroth560]

How come I can’t find the FULL interview ?

[@Jody3797]

They moved this guy to cell “#23”. Lol. Now I’m assuming the courts and Michael Jordan had nothing to do with decision. This was just classic, correction officer fuckery.

[@sincereburden3]

"Rigged to find me guilty." But you did it though

[@averyknk2555]

He got framed Lmfaoo

[@Realone259]

John Salley eye be leaking like Samuel L’s in the “Kiss of Death”.

[@marinojones9213]

Were can i order that shirt

[@Haterheartbreaker2x]

Michael Jordan just played for Chicago he didn't play like someone from Chicago, that's why he didn't kill the man who killed his father

[@houdinidagreat3]

How could he? They got locked up

[@selfishstockton6123]

Houdini Da Great Pay a shot caller behind bars to execute a hit without ever stepping foot in prison. All he’d have to do is contact someone on the outside to pass the word on, probably a close associate or family member. If gang members do it, MJ could definitely make it happen and keep his hands clean

[@NightVisionz457]

@@houdinidagreat3 actually if they were already in jail it would make it even easier for them to be eliminated. They are trapt inside of inclosed system that is filled with violent people and it wouldn't be to hard to pay off to put a hit out on them and not be traced back to himself if he really wanted to im sure at the time he had enough money and connections to make it happen if that's what he truly wanted done, just sayin

[@tgirl1762]

@Shawn Golmes True but it wouldn't bring his father back and the pain will still be there plus he had kids to raise so there's was really no point.

[@iknowwhoiam6092]

Those guys didn't kill Mike's father. It's much bigger than those guys that were sentenced for the murder

[@Jadifi]

The best revenge is success, plus his pops wouldn’t have wanted MJ to kill them and get locked up

[@mannygonzalez4178]

😂😂😂

[@SCSAsJorts]

You talked to his pops?

[@roberthealey7739]

That's a.load of.crap! Best revenge is revenge

[@mateodevon2967]

@@roberthealey7739 my man 👊

[@Beatyofeet32]

Sounds good, but no. The age old philosophical technique of extremes shows how ridiculous that statement is. Some guy molests your daughter, kills her, and then mutilates her body. Is becoming the new CEO of Amazon the best revenge? Didn't think so.

[@brandonholmes7157]

Jay needs to keep his mouth shut. Let's not forget he shot his limo driver during one of his benders. And tried to cover it up.

[@SonPerrosJugandoAlPoker]

Probably because that's what people do, not killing. What is this title? hahahahaha

[@BennyNegroFromQueens]

Jordan's life is too good to put himself in a situation where he'll go to jail for 10-15 years.

[@vegas4905]

He didn't kill em cuz he apart of Illuminati, it's called a sacrifice

[@gl6996]

🤤

[@calebmatiene4910]

What kind of title is that 🤣🤣🤣

[@fatflowerbombswagg]

That shirt is classic.... Weed Be Better Off

[@IHopson22]

Glad I Mean Vlad!! Lol I don’t know if you will see this But you Should Interview MC Hammer. I believe that will be an awesome interview 💯

[@dontdoittoyoself6786]

He won't be asking M.C. Hammer any investigative questions unless he wants to get punked.

[@d1inonly]

"They moved him...To cell #23." 😂😂😂😂

[@chadmurphy6803]

WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND

[@chibill467]

Thought this gonna be a batman meme lol

[@imperatorboxing5071]

Unless you can kill someone and you 100% know you can walk away free without any consequences, 9/10 successful players like Mike isn’t gonna even attempt to get revenge.

[@coollibra3644]

Interview Kevin Samuels. The most entertaining person on youtube.

[@donquel36]

Done

[@loud865]

Sallys shirt is lit

[@HollywoodCeeJ90]

Bro high as hell lol 😂

[@abdirazaqhussein3262]

I use to think eye for an eye, death penalty for taking life but honestly that is the easy way out, life in prison is way worse. You have nothing but time to think about your mistakes and everything you missed out on in life while you wait and wait to die not having done anything with your life. Everybody in your life move on and forget you.

[@EM-tx3ly]

Tax money wasted Life for Life Easy

[@ImOnNa21]

Vlad will tell your everything the person said and still play the flashback🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️

[@cocojames2289]

Because technically it's hearsay. Whenever you quote someone or tell a fact it's always best to reference the source or show evidence to back up the quote. Good journalism.

[@adanvillagomez6517]

them hands tho😂😂😂

[@jenniferthreatt8455]

I love John Salley

[@nr30199]

I dont care what he's saying. His shirt is awesome 😂👍

[@bmentlow]

Jordan wouldn't have had to do a damn thing himself...When you have the power and money like he has, things can get done. It happens all the time.

[@Independent365]

What a strange headline...

[@chrisbullock6477]

Sally always got those Glossy, watery, runny eyes...LOL

[@David_R922]

Maybe from the weed

[@shanibass211]

Really?

[@Indigoje95]

Vlad like the girl in school who tell everyone’s business to instigate a reaction. Smh 😅 Petty boop

[@olzt100]

This was actually one of the dumbest topics I have seen on VLAD TV. MJ was a killer on the basketball court. Not in real life. His brother, who was in the military, had to think in terms of kill or be killed during his military career. His brother James, would have more of that real killer or revenge instinct than Michael. But the testament of the character of both men did not allow them to go into the evil gutter of revenge. Even thinking of these men in those terms is reprehensible. But I understand its all about the views.

[@ayv-]

john salley looks like a black homer simpson

[@rileymccallister9854]

Where bg Knoccout at, why didint he been in interviews in a while

[@darrius1smith]

They exposed his brother

[@rileymccallister9854]

Darrius Smith oh, what did Gangsta Dresta do

[@darrius1smith]

@@rileymccallister9854 it was a video that said he was pedophile

[@rileymccallister9854]

Darrius Smith oh damn

[@tipsandtricks6071]

Jordan still might get him, when he's not looking.

[@emmanuelenyinwa1443]

"When" Last Dance" was airing, they moved the killer of Jordan's dad to cell #23" "It's not funny Vlad, but it's funny as hell." Gold.

[@reggaerhodes862]

Is this the guy on the computer in bad boys 1?

[@stakknation123]

Yes

[@snydmark]

Depends upon the day in the time that somebody brings it up on certain days at certain times you might act a certain way other times you wouldn't!

[@brandothamaka1190]

Why did I use to assume this guy was a comedian??...

[@BlackWhite-ru8gm]

Youre thinking about JB Smoove

[@inconnu313]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 yoooooo why haven’t I ever compared the two until now

[@rolandbullock6444]

he used to be on shows...he's a funny dude and some people mistake him for arsenio hall

[@PP-yq4fs]

Cuz u don’t watch ball

[@appiahallan]

He look like jb smooth

[@PIRATEGAMEING]

I don’t think either one of these dudes place to be speaking on the death of anyone, like there some type of authority on the matter , glad talking like he’s some connected street dude is hilarious

[@GODs_Son777]

Intelligent man, John is.

[@ElevationNationCONVERSATIONS]

IF!!! John wanted to get the dude he would have just went n did it instead of telling his coach

[@ASUTtPSO]

VLad and Lord Jamar must be beefing right now. 🤔 a week past and no new Jamar interview yet.

[@gotzmoneywayne8216]

My guess is that Lord Jamar probably agreed with Nick Cannoj and Deshaun Jackson, which then pissed Vlad off. Just a theory though. And it seems reasonable

[@l3tme545]

Lj has his own pod cast, plus vlad shoots from home now . And NYC folk cannt fly La without 14 day quartine. As matter of fact sum airport flights out right blocked to and from NYC. Because of rona

[@kochea7845]

I remember the feelings I felt when jordan pops all I can say is Jordans a good dude and I was just a kid

[@LboogieEntertainmentTv]

it be so funny when you know a flashback is coming 😂

[@nctrnlmjsty8719]

I've always wondered this myself.

[@themansince]

If MJ killed somebody and gets caught, he is going to prison for life. It's not worth it!

[@TheFadedSpade35]

@@themansince yea cause he's definitely gonna do it himself. IDIOT

[@themansince]

@@TheFadedSpade35 He don't have to do it himself. Idiot! If they find out, he set it up! He can still go to prison Dumb idiot! Learn about the law before you make dumb decisions! Idiot!

[@TheFadedSpade35]

@@themansince he would never get caught if he wanted this done.

[@themansince]

@@TheFadedSpade35 you can't hide forever. What's done in the dark will come to light! Two wrongs don't make it right! Killing somebody will not bring his Dad back!

[@PLZRWD]

Glad should interview Ray Lewis 🗡

[@jimkoklarinis3230]

Man Salley gossips more than a 85 year old lady going senile SMH. Dude reminds me of that one kid in highschool that couldn't get any girls but yet thought he new everybody's business.

[@missayawk]

True....but it makes for goodTV

[@gregorygraham9371]

no connection whatsoever is how it is gotten away with. careful about making statements of wanting to harm others; if a rando comes along and kills them, the knock on *your* door is coming.

[@8grove]

Jordan spoke with OJ about it and backed out.

[@JDotWill]

Did that man say the trial was rigged for him to be found guilty? Am I missing something? Lol & I don’t like how cocky he sounded in that clip

[@GymStarMar1981]

Shit deeper than we know i remember when it happened that whole story was sus

[@reddrumm5618]

You need ti look at the whole story..... none of it made sense ... its a lot deeper than you think

[@AssassinKing30]

@@reddrumm5618 blood sacrifice

[@sidneygwaltney9931]

yes he did ok

[@markherron6374]

Vlad I like u ..cool interviewer...but. Mike could've killed his father's killers...who could have stopped him...but himself. Never say what can not happen.....it can.

[@jjones2509]

Talkers talk, doers do

[@Realigndadjmusic]

When U know....U know....

[@zachmccabe7510]

Mike knew mob guys....I would have paid a small fee and had that handled. Sorry guess hes a better man than me

[@patrick106309]

I heard the mob got mike dad killed

[@user-ej4li1lt3d]

Talk is cheap Seeings lots of people claim they would do this in that yet they sit on their asses and do nothing

[@njjjjjjjjhhhs]

@Tj Bost good point

[@rocyork]

@Tj Bost lmao you fooked his day up with your comment damm thats profound shidddd

[@nicholaswilliams1675]

FACTS 💯💯💯

[@how.im.feeling9177]

Ask Tk for some clarification

[@ronbonora7872]

too much weed man! LOL

[@Poundgamepro1]

Jordan know damn well why his father was killed. No matter how random the media trying to make it seem.

[@kylewilliamson5858]

Michael had to give a blood offering for his sucess...and he offered up his own father.... disgraceful

[@dfrees42]

Far from “senseless” if it’s your family. It would’ve been easy not impossible for someone of MJ’s status to have that done.

[@Beatyofeet32]

Definitely not senseless. Principled more than anything.

[@delanohart9288]

Nice t-shirt john salley