Was this Shooting Justified?? Colion Noir & John Lovell break down LEGAL & TACTICAL considerations

[@JaddenSinn]

The really strange thing about this is the incredible amount of lack of compassion from everyone involved after the shooting. No one's crying, no one's screaming, the dude is dead on the ground and everyone keeps arguing. Super strange.

[@aportilla007]

FF?

[@stuartmccloud307]

You are right. I see Human emotions all the way through the film until he is shot, then suddenly it's like the tv fell over and broke or something, "that's your fault' and stuff being shouted. No emotion at all, Weird

[@xanderburns1332]

Watch the vid from inside the house.

[@stuartmccloud307]

@@xanderburns1332 Gotcha. Caught the first sign, what does the red sign say?

[@trenton1]

Shock

[@f5tornadeau]

Colion: “I blame the mother.” Me too, brother. That sums it all up.

[@GMarsh-gn1iw]

Personally, the mother should be an accessory to murder.

[@Candlestick_Wick]

She’ll be with someone else before Kyle even gets sentenced.

[@qcarter396]

@@Candlestick_Wick you read my mind.

[@Ren_Shahanshah]

Yes definitely as a single father this hurt to watch. I felt for the daddy of that little boy.

[@tysonmarsh308]

I am a paralegal in a family law office and this custody issue happens very frequently unfortunately despite a Court ordered parenting plan. It gets real volatile sometimes.

[@jangofett2336]

Poor kid, I couldn't imagine having to live with the guy who killed my dad especially how careless this was.

[@Mexicanfoodtruck]

Reid reed read however its spelled was trespassed and refused to leave and got buckshot! 100% justified discharge of a firearm and excellent show of gun control by neutralization of the threat

[@BK0924]

@@Mexicanfoodtruck those 2 kidnapped his son how in the world is him being executed justified how is that not a murder?

[@cbbees1468]

@@Mexicanfoodtruck "neutralization of a threat" yeah a dad there to pick up his kid is a threat. Did your wife's boyfriend give you your script?

[@USFreedom]

@@BK0924 Nonsense...

[@jangofett2336]

@@Mexicanfoodtruck that's completely stupid, did u get picked on as a child and just took it? Are you a father? Over the age of 23?

[@ersh2k4]

As a father this crushed my heart. It was a dad trying to see his son, some people dont get that kind of feeling. (the shooter, for one)

[@Pikawarps]

Doesn’t matter, keep it together for the sake of your kid, now he’s growing up without his father

[@Daimyo06]

Without his gun the boyfriend would've got a beat down.

[@doctorfate6414]

​@@PikawarpsWhen a woman plays games it's not a simple or easy thing to "keep it together". Keep in mind this is this dudes blood not some pet. That connection is special and this had been going on for some time. There's always gonna be a boiling point. Now one day this boy will become a man and he WILL look back on this event and have to ask his mom why she did what she did. And something your gonna have to understand about sons regarding their mothers. We can tell when a mom gives Bullsh*t. If it turns out to be selfish then she will be guilty of opening the door to this outcome without admitting her failing which was earned. How do you think we'd feel then?

[@IronSharpensIron127]

This was an incident that should not have happened. As the boyfriend, he should have brought everyone inside and called the police for the dad trespassing. However if I was the boyfriend I would have made friends with the father and did everything to help the father see his child.

[@chrisphillips2168]

As two known 2A advocates. You two should make more videos of this nature to show the importance of being a responsible gun owner. Police ourselves so to speak.

[@lloydcastleton]

Active Self-Protection does a lot of these. Usually on old cases that were decided, but greag information none the less

[@lilbooster4715]

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[@armstrong2052]

Absolutely, these two are level ones with the force. Loved the take. It's what I felt.

[@TooManyChoices1]

Both of these two have no idea what they are talking about as it concerns Texas law. He will not even be charged.

[@lilskynet8163]

well here are some great videos to review videos titled ==> "A Terribly Disturbing Ego Battle" and "Two Reminders Of Why De-Escalation Is Always The Best Answer" from Active Self Protection's channel

[@iamezekiel1970]

The ultimate victim in this story…..a young boy no longer has his father.

[@Chamochef]

Correct

[@Chamochef]

Nor a mom or a stepfather

[@spencergsmith]

Absolutely. No matter who is legally right or wrong, that boy will grow up mourning his father and hating the man who shot him.

[@harveypolanski755]

I don’t know. I think the guy laying on the ground dead might be the main victim.

[@brentheilman8910]

Very very sad. That new boyfriend is a joke. I wonder how old the son is.

[@spencerjohnson3572]

Man this whole situation is so sad, especially when into context. Really fortifies in my mind the importance of communication and de-escalation tactics.

[@BuceGar]

Not sad at all, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[@spencerjohnson3572]

@@BuceGar what I mean is it’s sad for the kid growing up. I really like that phrase though - play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[@Dbshortz420]

@@spencerjohnson3572 thank active self protection this guy is just rephrasing and forgot to give credit where it’s due

[@WW5RM]

These days we have numerous communication devices but STILL no one knows how to communicate! Even if we speak the same language it's STILL utter chaos! Why? It takes forethought! It requires us to think about the other person and how they might feel or think! In today's society, no one cares! All self centered, self absorbed, self righteous, narcissistic children! All you have to do is watch how they drive! But yes it's VERY sad! The father was there to pick up his son. Now his son is fatherless and probably have to live with his father's murderer! Which is the mother's fault! Notice what she was doing during the video?

[@cahnrad]

Sad how few people put in the effort

[@breakbad9753]

It’s not trespassing, he’s literally there on a court ordered agreement to pick up his son

[@OkxziRL]

Then why would he threaten court….. sounds like the mother and him had an agreement and she had to delay it due to work (or so it sounded) if it was already court ordered then the guy wouldve just made the police show up WITH him to push the issue from there

[@FenrirTheMenace]

Untrue. He has the legal right to see his kids, but court orders don't specify that he can just waltz onto any property to do so. You agree to that with the other party. Even if that party stop upholding their court orders, you can't just show up at their doorstep without permission. It's still trespassing.

[@LiberalsRuinEverything.]

It would’ve never even got to that point if the little guy would’ve just went inside his house and waited for the police to get there. But this was an ego battle and that’s why it ended the way it did.

[@ehal2303]

@@FenrirTheMenace Right, I understand what your saying, but if that's the typical pickup location then the whole waltzing onto property thing is a wash. Going to be very hard to convince a jury to see it as trespassing even if it was. Law is black and white sure, but that doesn't mean the law won't be decided on emotion. I'd find the shooter 100% guilty of murder, and I personally believe you have the right to gun down threats, and that you should. I'm just not seeing a threat man. I'm seeing a guy who is being denied his right to see his son and another guy who wants to be seen as a badass. My parents divorced when I was 3 and they hated each other. Neither of my parents ever told the other fuck your pickup time you'll get him when you get him, and I was never allowed to be anywhere but that pickup location unless clearing it with however was picking me up.

[@FenrirTheMenace]

@@ehal2303 we are different, because I don't believe someone has to be a threat to your health, just a threat you your rights. If I was that new boyfriend and I told this man to get off my property, he has no right to be there, he's a trespasser, and he better leave if he wants to be alive long enough to see his kids. Period. You work it out with your ex, you're not gonna be in my face on my property.

[@CliftonShepherd]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that nobody even cared that the man died or was shot and nobody rushed to his aid. Lowlifes all around.

[@theodoreking6690]

Beware...the power of the CAMERA. It desensitizes our own perceptions of events. Its quantum theory at its finest. AAAD Action at a distance. The observer at this point, is NOT just you or them with eyes....its a device that captures and repeats. Unlike our brains...this cannot be effected by shock or emotion. So what you see is the artificial sight of a one way perspective with no source of true light. All of them are on phones. None of them are TRULY engaged in the moment because they are so focused on being able to CAPTURE a perspective.

[@codykendall2846]

The woman later said that she thought that it was a paintball gun and they didn’t realize it was real until they went to check on him and found him dead

[@FidelAsstro762]

@@codykendall2846 🤮

[@Main-Villain]

@@codykendall2846 That's literal braindead normalcy bias sh*t. Who the hell drops dead from a paintball gun? 😂😂😂

[@Admiral_Potato41]

I feel like part of it too is if this guy was crazy enough to shoot the father over visitation ordered by a judge, the bystanders were probably thinking if I try and help this man I'll end up stacked on top of him like firewood. Dosen't excuse everyone from not doing anything but just a thought I had.

[@jeremybrowning4612]

I'm not sure what breaks my heart more.. That a child lost his dad, or that so many men in the comments are going through the same custody struggles.

[@DaveSmith-cp5kj]

As much as I agree that courts irrationally favor the mother in divorces, I constantly see men who are divorced making extremely poor decisions, and they repeat that poor decision in their follow up relationships. I think as an outsider it is easier to see, which is why the grandparents really need to be involved to give their kids relationship advice (having gone through all that before). Unfortunately broken homes are self propagating things, the blind lead the blind when everyone thinks they can make their own decisions correctly, even when things keep turning out wrong. On a side note, any man who mutually agreed with his wife to divorce and they have kids I have zero empathy for him. As a parent your priority should be kids over your own happiness. I only feel sorry for the men who want to keep the family together but the wife is disloyal and selfish and want to leave. EDIT: Many comments below for example. Claiming their happiness is the child happiness when in reality children want both parents, not one or the other.

[@devastator2773]

@@DaveSmith-cp5kj Do you come from a home with divorced parents? A man deserves no sympathy for leaving his wife to get out of a bad relationship? Staying in a terrible relationship can be detrimental to the children seeing constant abuse yelling screaming and dysfunction? Why would a man who cares about his children keep up a toxic relationship? That helps nobody at all.

[@donaldanderson7410]

It was reversed in our house. Single daddy here, but I never put anyone up like she did. Now she too knows it was her that manipulated the shooting which makes her as guilty in my book.

[@DaveSmith-cp5kj]

@@devastator2773 That's an extremely self-centered way of thinking. The husband got along with that woman at some point in his life, that's why he married and had kids with her. They are supposed to fix their relationship not rage quit. It takes two to fight, and lets be honest that most marital fights are over really inconsequential things.

[@whiteguy4282]

What’s insane is there was not one ounce of remorse or panic from ANYBODY.

[@Purple_Wayne]

They way he just lowers his rifle and just stands there nonchalant over that mans body is just gross. Not rendering aid, no rush to call an ambulance, and still arguing with the woman while standing over a man who's dying. This guy was looking for an excuse to shoot that father, and hopefully he rots in prison.

[@elonmust7470]

He's a psychopath.

[@fredmiller4110]

He will rot in prison

[@josedorsaith5261]

Psychopath who will hopefully get what he deserves once the kid grows up

[@paulvaldez3903]

@@fredmiller4110 apparently a grand Jury just came back saying he will not be charged and it was a justified shooting.

[@isucc3817]

@@paulvaldez3903 doesnt mean it is lol, it was def murder 2, dude shot a non advancing mf with his hands at his sides because his bluff didnt work

[@mcruzsmith80]

That poor kid. The sad part is, when their son gets older he can find a video showing his father being murdered, while his mom stood there and did nothing but set this whole thing in motion

[@saureco]

Mom had a court mandated schedule to keep, and she flagrantly violated it. This is endemic amongst divorced women with an axe to grind on her ex. She used the new man as the shield and muscle to enforce her violation.

[@eveliinatistelgren172]

Matriarchy? It's always been.

[@kajetandziebaj6405]

and now everyone involved is fucked, jailed or dead. good job woman.

[@Chamochef]

Sadly happens so often and mostly end in tragedies like such

[@MF-Rell]

Facts.

[@harveypolanski755]

Yet she’ll be the only one not to face any repercussions. Both legally and personally. She has 18 years to brainwash the kid about why what happened wasn’t her fault.

[@albolvo]

"I blame the mother" Colin Noir. Such a true statement. In a world where we hear "only if the father been around" or "lazy dead beat dad's" and here's a man that wants nothing more than to see his son. This situation is messed up but our system is even more messed up. Now we have a child who will never have the chance to grow and know his father and have to live in the same house with the man the killed his father. We need to pray for this child. This a a sad story all the way around.

[@zackedwards7803]

Hell the kid might kill the boyfriend one day now. Guy shot his father over nothing.

[@johndarcangelo6893]

The kid wont be raised by that guy cuz he should be going to pound you in the ass prison. But if I were that kid I'd never forgive my mother for what she caused with her selfishness.

[@MorrisonScotch]

That is the name of the mother?

[@MorrisonScotch]

@@zackedwards7803 if I was that kid It would be on my mind constantly.

[@MorrisonScotch]

@@johndarcangelo6893 I’m mean shit how do people find it acceptable to use kids this WAY!! Bbbvbfnfjfjfk

[@dorianrodriguez40]

In my opinion the shooter in this case is the typical gun-owner that makes all gun-owners look bad, dangerous and irrational. The guy that was shot didn't even throw a punch. Very sad to watch.

[@YON_RO]

You'd be surprised at the amount of KZbin comments that argue in favor of this being self defense. I am bewildered. No one seems to realize.... look at Chad. Look at how big he is. Look at how easily he throws Kyle away from the porch after putting his hands on the carbine. Kyle's got no sling, in a grapple fight over a gun, with a somewhat significantly larger man. If Chad had any true intentions of taking it and using it on Kyle, he would have. Why would he ever let go of that thing? Why did he use it as leverage to spin Kyle off of the porch instead? I don't think Chad believed Kyle would actually shoot him. After the needless presentation of the gun at all, and the warning shot at his feet, Chad was convinced of this man's impotency. He made a grave mistake in underestimating how far Kyle would go over this bullshit.

[@LiberalsRuinEverything.]

Agree. The little guy could have easily waited inside the house for the police to get there but no. His ego got the best of him and he wanted to show that he was a tough guy.

[@reconinvestments8433]

@@YON_RO or the fact that he trained and knew his shit... bad time to find out that lesson

[@codyhahn6748]

@@reconinvestments8433 didn't know his laws though 🤔

[@reconinvestments8433]

@@codyhahn6748 What do you mean? he's still free...

[@danny51577]

I would say that this longer form type commentary, especially with 2 people like Colion and John, is absolutely fantastic. The viewpoints, legality, and commentary are massively valuable coming from you guys.

[@mrtexican8302]

Honestly, this whole thing speaks to a bigger issue. Men, pick women of quality.

[@AF-O6]

Sometimes they change…but great point. I’m teaching my son to choose wisely.

[@MoarteaLunii]

And women need to choose men of quality not a little bitch that runs and gets a gun because the other man wants to see his son.

[@IzzyMariel]

He's lucky he found a woman at all. As it is, she stood by him while he was in prison.

[@brandonpeterson8834]

@@AF-O6 Regardless of whether or not people change, that woman is used merchandize with baggage (children).

[@StoneCoolds]

Dont get marry, enjoy your youth, use condoms, dont easte your life having childs and a wife, you live just once and youth goes away in a blink of an eye

[@thegreystoics6421]

As a father and I'm sure many fathers felt that. The man was trying to see his kid and he died for it. This genuinely hurts. This would be a great video for me to cover.

[@rjstewart]

Imagine being the boyfriend and facing the kid after this.

[@Wo1fLarsen]

I can relate.

[@Scout339th]

@@rjstewart oooooof

[@MrChickensnatcher]

He went about it the wrong way, that's for sure.

[@chancewilkerson63]

@@rjstewart Yea I did

[@superdude5100]

He goes in his house away from an unarmed man. It would have been really easy to lock the door and call the cops. Watching this looks like he just wanted to kill him.

[@Pikawarps]

He went inside to retrieve his firearm, which is 100% legal in Texas. He had already verbally trespassed Chad, and Chad refused to leave, authorizing Kyle to use non deadly force to remove him. Texas defines simply holding a weapon while you order a criminal trespasser off your land, use of non-deadly force. Then Chad attacked him and justified use of deadly force

[@superdude5100]

@@Pikawarps I'm gonna go with Colions word on this one. He brought a weapon into the situation which artificially made it a deadly situation. There was no weapon involved before that. This definitely leans more towards a murder.

[@thomasgladwin2975]

So that the cops could kill him instead?

[@isucc3817]

@@Pikawarps maybe instead of going and grabbing an ar, conceal it on your person or put it on a sling so you dont come out with a rifle in your fing hands over a child custody dispute, completely inappropriate.

[@Pikawarps]

@@isucc3817 Texas law 100% authorizes homeowners to be holding a firearm when they order a criminal trespasser off their property.

[@kylecaraway8662]

He shouldn't have even brought out the gun honestly. The father shouldn't have threatened that way but he was mad and people do crazy things when their mad especially when it comes to children. Also did he shoot a warning shot into the air? If so that's extremely irresponsible to do for a gun owner.

[@Pikawarps]

The first gunshot was into the deck, not the air.

[@kylecaraway8662]

@@Pikawarps the video wasn't clear for me and I thought I saw him shoot into the air too but it was hard to tell for me. Either way he shouldn't have brought it out over this. The guy was angry not hostile.

[@isucc3817]

@@Pikawarps that doesnt matter lol, warning shots are aggravated assault, if you are not in fear of your life, you dont fire the gun, if you are, you put the bullet in the attacker. he wasnt even looking where he was shooting, he EASILY could have shot the dude in the foot on accident.

[@kos_m824]

@@isucc3817 Realistically if he did shoot the dude at the same moment he took the warning shot, it probably would have been justified. When he actually took the shot though, it most likely wasn't. He still probably won't be prosecuted either way

[@franklinmiranda8835]

As a father that continues to struggle with custody for the past 5 years, this breaks my heart. So many emotions go into these situations. Unfortunately in many states Fathers have no rights and the rights automatically go to mom. Court battles can go on many years and cost thousands of dollars that add even more stress to a stressful situation. The main victim is unfortunately the son who has no father.

[@time_on_target]

So true. I hope some change will come from this. I feel for the son who lost his father, his life will never be the same.

[@IslandBoy958]

Sir I agree with you 110%,I too have gone through it and it was the largest test I have been challenged with. Prayers to all that have to go through this.

[@cody0126a]

And the person who was murdered....

[@presidentelectviolator5951]

sup with the crazy age disparity between the 60 year old X husband and the 30 year old wife and new 30 year old boyfriend? yall gone blind?

[@presidentelectviolator5951]

@@cody0126a tuff stuff, dont start none there wont be none

[@AJ_acob]

As a former Texas police officer, I have become fairly interested in the Chad Read case in Lubbock, TX, as I have responded to and investigated numerous child custody and family violence scenes during my time on patrol. It reminds me of several experiences that my former coworkers and I have had. It seems that nearly everyone whom I have listened to speak about this case who has not practiced Texas law or has not been a Texas peace officer are likely unaware of a certain key statute regarding child custody that literally moves this case to another plane. The following is an investigative take of the situation based off of these two videos in light of this child custody statute (also, I reserve the right to be wrong lol) : In short, the Texas Penal Code has statute 25.03, which avers that it is a felony to violate a court order regarding child custody. (link below) My understanding of the case based off of the video footage is that Chad Read seemingly had custodial rights of the child at the time he was arguing with his ex-wife. In the video, it sounded like he was verbally elucidating that he was to be the rightful custodian of the child at that exact moment (as of 3:15pm), and the ex-wife was therefore actively violating this court order by not providing him with the child as required per the court order (this is assuming there was actually a court order substantiating Mr. Read’s claims). If the above paragraph is valid, then it seems that the ex-wife was actively committing a low-level felony (25.03) when Chad Read was killed. Further, if the court order stated that Mr. Read was supposed to be the rightful custodian at that moment, he was therefore not a trespasser on the ex-wife’s property because he was lawfully present in an attempt to get his son. And, if he was there legally, then Kyle Carruth had no legal standing or basis to tell Mr. Read to leave the property as if he were a trespasser. So, if everything is valid to this point, then when Mr. Carruth kills Mr. Read, it would be a type of “murder” due to Mr. Carruth shooting Mr. Read under the incorrect pretense of Mr. Read being a trespasser/burglar. (Note: I have heard an account where Mr. Read technically committed a burglary by stepping on Mr. Carruth’s porch during the ordeal. The allegation that Mr. Read “burglarized” the dwelling by stepping on the porch seems to be a damaging stretch of the law in this context and is likely spurious. On the contrary, it could possibly be argued that Mr. Read had a right to confront Mr. Carruth once he came out with the rifle because Mr. Read’s presence was legally justified under the court order, which meant the introduction of a weapon by Mr. Carruth was an illegal threat against him. Consequently, it may actually have been Mr. Read who had a self-defense claim in that moment rather than Mr. Carruth due to Mr. Carruth’s unwarranted threat against him in light of the court order context.) Also, you cannot shoot someone for merely trespassing in Texas. And, most importantly, if the ex-wife were presently committing a felony (25.03) by violating the court order regarding the child custody agreement, then she is therefore liable for “felony murder.” That is, she is liable for the murderous act of Mr. Carruth, as her 25.03 felony precipitated the shooting. This child custody statue is pretty straight forward with few exceptions, and it makes this an interesting case. A deeper discussion of this point can be found on KZbin channel “Dirty Hands of the Republic” in which a senior Houston Police Officer and a former Houston Police Officer (now lawyer) lay out this 25.03 statute in the context of this Lubbock shooting. Statute link: codes.findlaw.com/tx/penal-code/penal-sect-25-03.html Dirty Hands of the Republic KZbin episode: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zl61qKCbp6d6etk I hope this opens the discussion more.

[@AegenemmnoN]

Wow, interesting. There are so many nuances and intricacies with the law. Thanks for this breakdown

[@TortureExperiment90]

Sounds as if the father would have been, legally speaking, justified in shooting the boyfriend in self defense.

[@graham3315]

My Opinion from the video Mr. Read was trespassing and wrong the ex wife told him multiple times that their son was not there on the property so therfore making Mr. Read a trespasser and the moment Mr. Read threatened and went for the firearm the perspective of the individual with the firearm is what matters if he truly felt Mr. Read was indeed going for the firearm to do him harm he is justified in defending himself. Mr. Read should of left and let the police handle this matter when the firearm was deployed.

[@deathrider1579]

Very interesting, Does he (the father) have a right to go onto a 3rd person's property to attempt to retrieve his son when he isn't aware that he's there? It sounded like he was convinced that the child was at a different location. Additionally I don't see in the penal code that the father has a right to "trespass" to attempt retrieval in the case of a violation of 25.03, I'd be interested in seeing if that is in the PC anywhere. Will be interesting to see how the case plays out.

[@khann844]

it's burglary because he tried to take his gun away

[@Upstatedeerhunter]

He never should have brought a gun into that situation. He was not a threat until the homeowner made him a threat. Stupid.

[@grayboo212]

I cannot even believe how calm the shooter is after doing that. No hard breathing, no anything. He just picks back up where he left off arguing.

[@seanjustinification]

Man, can you imagine the level of hate that kid is going to have to deal with? The guy who killed his dad is also laying down with his mother.

[@Calcapwn300]

In another world once the kid has reached the age to do so, he’d kill him in his sleep. Crazy what “civilization” has done

[@prestonbarr]

What if the kid hates its real dad already and doesn’t even care?

[@thelatearthurmorgan6158]

@@prestonbarr wtf? Where does that even come from?

[@brandonlathrop484]

Mom will poison his mind against him.

[@jamesboothe4441]

@@prestonbarr a father is a father regardless every man knows you can hate your father but he'll always be your father

[@BigFreakinTexan]

Nobody lifting a finger to start life saving medical intervention. We're living in strange times. Not one person in this video seems to grasp the fact that a man was just killed. Creepy.

[@SasquatchActualFitness]

Bingo

[@adamb2619]

I thought the exact same thing

[@christopherbrown1850]

Saw that to weird no start first aid trauma aid or anything just continues arguing like there on face bok or something?

[@unluckytourist]

"I've got it on video Kyle" - like it was a minor fender bender in a mall parking lot.

[@ethanmann5231]

Shots to the upper nervous system are usually instantly killing but yes they should have tried.

[@icewallflatearth1158]

Trespassing after warning on private property. This exact thing happened to my brother who was involved with a married woman who separated from her husband. But the husband has visitation of his kids.. Husband went to the house got into the same argument and was killed 14 shots.. My brother got 25years in prison.

[@Pikawarps]

then your brother dun fucked up and didnt cover his ass legally. Everything kyle did was legal under texas law.

[@allenperkins5098]

Morale of the story, no vag is worth raising someone else's kid, dying for, or spending life in prison for. If you've contemplated any of these things for a woman, you need to run away from said woman as fast as humanly possible. She's the devil cooter.

[@TheSkyMex]

Great stuff. I didn't disagree with anything said; in fact, I came to realize the same conclusions before I saw this episode. I love seeing collaborations with my favorite Interwebs people!! Great job, guys!!

[@davidmacon1138]

I have been in this situation as a father with an ex. I see so many times how fast these things get like this. I ABSOLUTELY blame the mother for adding to this mess instead of being amicable and peaceful for the sake of their child.

[@richbattaglia5350]

Patrician taste with your night lord logo btw.

[@UncleWermus]

@@newerest1 She didn't MAKE him grab it. She created the conditions that led to the poor decision making. Bitch should have done what the court said.

[@Ok-551]

Me too. My kid is never ready. You’re stuck waiting 15-30 minutes everyday, they do it to rattle you. The mother was the one calling the shots for both men. Totally avoidable. But family court don’t care.

[@da9nerdy]

@@newerest1 it is her fault. As a woman she should of not have let him get involved. This is between both of the child's biological parents and not the step parents.

[@BoneistJ]

@@Ok-551 the family courts exist solely to ruin men and destroy familes

[@matt-hew69]

The father's rage must have been building for a long time, knowing how the court system treats men. I can understand how he reacted to the boyfriend with the gun, even though it wasn't a logical move.

[@Ducklesworth]

And the bf hated him for a long time. He was begging for any excuse to kill him

[@EtherFox]

The ex wife set this up. She deserves 20 years in prison. Female privilege means even if she is correctly found guilty of causing this death, she will only serve 5.

[@Ducklesworth]

@@EtherFox neither will do a day sadly

[@EtherFox]

@@Ducklesworth A lot more likely than you're suggesting. If it was NY or CA, boyfriend would already be getting cornholed and the ex wife would be given ten grand, but with the way the AA case was broken down and played out, one of the two are very likely going to prison.

[@scottrichardson1014]

Dude actually asked to be killed what do you think was going to happen? Use it or I’ll take it and use it on you? That’s kinda suicidal in my book . Dudes kinda messed up in the head ex wife or not. That in your face yelling threats is probably why she left him. He gets his way or flips out . Crazy hot headed macho bravado with no skills to back it up. I bet he did that to her all the time when they were married . He Did it to a guy with a gun and got smoked. Just stupid nothing more no reason to sympathize with him. John’s reading a lot into this and projecting some personal stuff. Absolutely nothing in this leads me to think this guy is a “ good dad who just what’s to see his boy “ Who knows what kind of dad he is other than angry stupid and now dead. I would never make that mistake with someone holding a gun absolutely never. Just walk away and come back with the cops or maybe my own gun if I think my kid is being held against their will and the cops will not help. That half hearted grab and shove because I lost my mind move is absolutely stupid. You got a Kid,! Getting Killed doesn’t help him at all so Walk Away! Poor kid I feel sorry that this is the situation he is in now it just sucks. Respect goes such a long way. You may be divorced but respect that your ex husband or wife has custody / visitation rights. Have the kids ready when they should be. Respect that you are on someone else’s property and when they say leave leave come back with law enforcement if you must but leave with your life. Respect a man holding a gun don’t challenge his man hood or his resolve to end your life. You might find out that he is quite capable of it. Respect life render aid and help the guy even if you just shot him. This world needs some Respect and personal responsibility. May God have mercy on this poor child.

[@blakebabcock7726]

Two of my favorite 2A guys on the same video, may I say "Yay for that". I appreciate the way Colion looks at the situation from both sides and John always gives spot on commentary.

[@Eidenbites]

I go through this every time I pick up my son. The only advantage is I have firearms and I’m trained .. new boyfriend is a convicted felon who can’t own guns. I have footage of him trying to square off on me. It got to the point where i got an assault charge for hitting him. It’s hard to go through what this man went through, you just have to see more than you. You have to see your kids. If I’m in prison I can’t care for my boys. Good news is judge was on my side. After this happened Texas is realizing how the system is failing fathers. I now pick up my son at school .. don’t deal with them anymore.

[@locationjason7299]

Man that sucks you should possibly try to pick your boy up at a public spot or even the police station would be better

[@vkcsaltyboy]

I don't know why when John said "This dad just wanted to see his baby boy". Broke me... But it did. A father died trying to see the most important person of his life. Very sad all the way around.

[@amtank]

I get you, but he was told the kid wasn't at that location. The location is the home/business of the boyfriends father. The EX has 0 reason to be at the employer of the his EX.

[@user-ty5di3ku6o]

That's why courts exist.

[@commiezombie2477]

Sad story. Fathers MATTER. They don't get any love. They get shot and shit regularly.y dad fought for us tooth and nail. He's my best friend. ❤️

[@greyvr4336]

​@@amtank Mother is there. He's there. That implies the kid is suppose to be there. That in turn implies she's actively hiding the kid in violation of a court order. She knows from the court order she is suppose to give the father the kid NOW, but she's sent the kid off somewhere so he can't pick up the kid like he's suppose to. Which is why the father is talking about what will happen in court. Not saying he's going to kick ass, saying he's going to do court stuff. So then this asshole fetches a gun and shoots the father.

[@scaleworksRC]

We all know the woman was manipulating the whole situation and didn't expect that outcome. Shame what kids can be used for. Makes people lose their minds too.

[@retardeadmonkey]

More of these Lovell and Noir breakdowns. This was very well orchestrated-- Noir being well versed in law and Lovell being great at seeing all angles.

[@Timboykee]

Totally agree. Would love to see more of this collaboration. Lovell and Noir compliment one another very well.

[@Captain-Palsy]

Yes I will say I am conflicted about this not being a father but uncle, I still see both arguments

[@saintthanos3578]

Colon stop playing House Ninja, you look tardy N soft... tardy sofffph

[@saintthanos3578]

legally the defender was 100% justified, you cant just make up the law as you like, thats not how it works, and neither can others despite their BS being put on paper YA HEARD? GET TO HEARIN SON

[@saintthanos3578]

Castle Doctrine, America is our castle

[@3254bs]

After he got shot and laid there bleeding out and they were having a conversation casually for the most part I think that was the most disturbing part of the video for me rather than rendering first aid

[@jadeblack7979]

second that :

[@andmicbro1]

From what I read the ex husband's girlfriend was the one filming and she wasn't aware he was killed. In the moments immediately following the video when he wasn't moving she panicked and went to check him and realized he had been killed.

[@blablablabla8290]

Never tell someone threatening you with a gun to shoot you. If they’re threatening you with it, assume they’re willing to use it. Otherwise they wouldn’t have it in the first place

[@djphly]

Not from a legal standpoint but an emotional one, the “boyfriend” should fear the day the child becomes an adult. In that child’s eyes, he is and will always be, the man who shot his dad.

[@basedpatriot4982]

What is even more messed up is that that man could possibly become his stepdad.

[@Pikawarps]

@@basedpatriot4982 honestly I’d be surprised if they were still together as we speak

[@andrewmartin4387]

Unless brainwashes the kid, I see that happen a lot

[@Pikawarps]

@@andrewmartin4387 i hope that doesn’t happen, chads kid deserves to learn what happened when he’s old enough

[@lachbert9298]

Not only that but that kid had a father who cared about him more than most

[@FDESLOSSY]

How everyone was so calm about him laying there was the most sad part to me

[@johnnygutierrez9855]

👁

[@Cougar1212]

Brutally cold ex-wife. All involved are souless.

[@Lameducks]

I thought that was more of an indication about how people felt about him, nobody seemed to really care or be surprised.

[@bev8200]

The were all in shock

[@FDESLOSSY]

@@bev8200 I know they said that but to me that doesn’t seem correct. In a situation like that your reaction should be hide, fight or flight. None of them showed any of these reactions, they casually seemed to continue the argument which seemed shocking to me. That’s just my opinion tho

[@jsh008]

Jeez. You two together on the same TUBE is like seeing SuperMan and Clark Kent in the same place at the same time! LOL. Need more of this in my world!

[@strangecompany3878]

This happened in my town. The guy who died was one of the residents of the village I'm a police officer in. This escalated too far.

[@Pikawarps]

This happened in my neighborhood, the guy who died is my dad, and I’m the local police chief. I can make up stories too. This was legally justified.

[@searchingforaway8494]

@@Pikawarps NOT EVEN CLOSE to being justified!!!

[@sneakyhenry16]

The mother is definitely to blame in this situation. After she saw her late ex-husband lying dead on the ground, she acted as nothing happened and continued texting on her phone. What a piece of crap that mother is.

[@johnnygutierrez9855]

Sounds like she used the new man to kill her ex like she planned it

[@GodlykeSoilder]

@@johnnygutierrez9855 Thats the same thing I thought when I first saw this, and a few people think I'm crazy for thinking that! I saw set up from day one! The background on the shooter is very interesting too. HIS EX is a Judge that was assigned the case and she had o refuse it over conflict of interest!

[@Ontarianmm]

No one freaked out. No one hardly reacted. This seems like a set up start to finish.

[@clange12651]

Her tune will change after she realizes her meal ticket just died.

[@justarandomname420]

Never let another man raise your child. Single female child rearing units are the bane of the world.

[@KeisterKhan]

Ignoring all other information, the simple fact that the boyfriend and the woman in the vehicle continue to shout at each other with a dead body between them. No shouting, no crying, no worry, no regret. Absolutely despicable.

[@kammoperformance]

😥

[@Thegoodguy2004]

I noticed that too no concern whatsoever very sad

[@syler48]

Evil people.

[@mikeromero3077]

I was thinking the same thing. Their reactions were quite strange, and it didn't seem real, like it was scripted for a movie or something.

[@tje5553]

That's probably shock and delayed on set of the reality of what just happened. Go watch video of the female who was shot on Jan 6th at the capital. Reactions were about the same

[@cfcgregd]

I watch you and Colion constantly and what I have drawn from both of you is to never let your ego interfere with your common sense, especially if you are armed. I am always mindful of my demeanor when I am armed. I always practice to: 1) avoid confrantation. 2) defuse and disengage 3) leave. Just because I could shoot does mean that I should shoot. Taking a life, even of a loud mouth angry person in my face is never justified. The threat has to rise to the level of a clear and imminent danger to me or my family. I learned, also, from you guys to NEVER pull a firearm to “scare” someone. If my CCW comes out, then I should already have gone through 1, 2, & 3 AND feel no choice left. I train that way.;I think that way and the day that I cannot clearly run through those 3 objectively, I will stop carrying. The day will come for all of us to stop carrying; age and mental acuity will dictate that. For me, the day that (God forbid)I cannot control my anger I will stop carrying. BTW, I do carry OC spray to give me an additional option and keep a first aid kit with gunshot supplies (ie gauze, tourniquet, compression bandages and rubber gloves). I take the responsibility extremely serious. My son is a judge and I bring his wisdom (beyond his 38 years) with me. For those that are new gun owners, just the fact that you watched this video shows that your desire to the right thing is present. I encourage everyone to continually train, read, practice and develop competency with, not only your firearm, but with applying;I able laws in your state. I had my CCW in California and studied the laws related to firearms there. When I moved to Oregon, I realized that a whole different set of laws applied. I spend time learning those differences in the laws, because it will impact my decisions on where and if you can carry. My CHL process (Concealed Handgun License) in Oregon was just as scrutinizing as in California,. The only difference that I could see was shortened time to get through the process, here in Oregon. Yrs, there are less restrictions on the types of handguns that are available in Oregon and round capacities, but my everyday-carry is the same one as in California. One thing that I might add, if I may, is that every scenario is a bit different. You should focus on learning the laws because if ever, God forbid, you will need to shoot someone that situation will probably be the most stressful experience of your life. Spend time to learn these lessons because under extreme stress, you need to be confident that you can think clearly and make the right decision. As a veteran, I can tell you that most veterans who have experienced these extreme stressful situations, learned a lot about ourselves to know if we can think, clearly, under these situations. Those without military experience need to find this out about themselves through training classes. Shooting at the range on a paper target, although important, does not give you that introspection about yourself. I know that I rambled a bit, here, but I want everyone to stay safe as you enjoy your God-given right to bare arms to protect your family during a time when our police officers and sheriff sworn officers are under increased pressure from the current political atmosphere..

[@breakbad9753]

This reminds me of the video with the husband and wife who got executed over an argument that started from shoveling snow onto their property.. The wife also dared the shooter to “go ahead do it” same as what the victim says here….. absolutely awful. Never tell someone with a gun to “do it” EVER

[@CyberBrySkyNet]

He won't be getting up again.

[@stevek8829]

They do that in movies. Yea, don't copy.

[@Thexeroxed43]

The situation was apparently deadly enough to go spend a minute grabbing a gun, leaving his vulnerable girlfriend outside alone with the aggressor, but not deadly enough to actually use the gun until trying to coax the guy into some form of actual physical aggression? Rofl what? Boyfriend should be in prison. I see absolutely no justification for his actions.

[@lancevance47]

Mom had a friend who was on his girlfriend's property trying to see her and her dad stepped out onto the lawn and shot him in the head with a shotgun cops never arrested the man because he was on his own property defending his home at 2 in the morning. Long story short if someone has a gun and it's saying get off their property you should do it because you're at their whim.

[@Thexeroxed43]

@@lancevance47 yeah, you should. But that doesn't mean that person has any moral or legal right to shoot you. If someone is just standing there on your property, call the fking cops, don't be a bitch and decide you are now free to shoot them for standing there. That's absolutely ridiculous. Making excuses for this kind of crap is morally representable.

[@daltonbuchholz5061]

@@Thexeroxed43 “if someone is just standing” but that isn’t the situation… is it. The minute they tell you to leave is the minute you better fucking leave. Being a bitch is not being willing to act.

[@1984Pturner]

I feel bad for the Dad n family in this tragedy. Doesn't any home owner have every right to have his gun in his hands weather or not there is a threat? Once the Dad threatened and grabbed the boyfriend it became self defense. How does Colion Noir know threat level of the Dad and how someone should react? How does anyone know what the Dad would have done if he got the gun? Warning Shot was after Dad is going forward into bf and gets in his face? Then physically grabs him and forces him off his own porch?

[@Thexeroxed43]

@@daltonbuchholz5061 there is no way to justify killing someone for standing there. Are the trespassing and in the wrong for being there? Sure. But that's not enough to kill someone. To try to justify that is psychotic.

[@BackyardHomesteading]

What really got me was even after the father was shot no one attempted to render aid to him. He laid there while they all argued over the fact that he was shot and it was recorded. So sad.

[@michaelhanson2500]

That’s what hit me right away after seeing it from the street view.

[@kajetandziebaj6405]

it was the most striking thing. couldnt believe it.

[@ShemaYisrael1948]

That’s it there…

[@platinumbrick6]

Hate to be that guy but 2 rifle rounds center mass and you’re done for

[@MikeJones-fv1fe]

Agreed. Just watched this for the first time and that's what immediately struck me. They just argue about who's in the right or wrong and offer no aid to the guy.

[@GRat9717]

This was an excellent discussion and I hope to see you two doing more in the future.

[@tdel657]

Yes, I have seen vindictive parents who are separated. Now, because the mom didn't do anything to de-escalate the situation...her son's DAD got shot. And the son is who my heart goes out to, most.

[@stuckgrenadepin.225]

This is way late but the mother is the one that caused all this because she was interfering with custodial rights. She should have gotten hit with a capital murder charge, IMO, because someone (the father of her child) died during the commission of a felony she was committing. But in the gynocentric court system that will never happen.

[@mrmechanic8310]

The mother could have prevented the whole thing, she could have told the father where the son was, and she could have easily told the boyfriend not to shoot the father, but she did neither..sad

[@JohnDoe-fr4bp]

That's what im saying she kinda let this happen

[@maddness81]

Sounds like a set up to me.

[@anthonyfletcher8053]

Sadly, it’s very common for mothers to use their child against the father

[@bubbafarmer4867]

But why do we always make excuses for the shooter??? Why is it always something someone else did or didn’t do that could have prevented it??? The guy was a butthole for being there, but he was in no way shape or form a threat, much less a deadly threat. No way you go get a shotgun in this scenario.

[@lolsk9136]

@@bubbafarmer4867 seriously, that guys a loser, had to pull a shotgun out on a 60 year old man and take a life for no reason

[@dienekes4364]

I'm a former Marine and a big A2 advocate (as are most people here). I agree with Colion. The guy didn't actually pose a threat. The cops were on the way, and there was no immediate threat to justify not waiting for them.

[@2ndamendmentmf366]

Why in American if someone tells you get off my property then 🤔 you proceed to stay and grab another man's gun that when you lost the right to draw breath

[@benj1b]

@@2ndamendmentmf366 normally I would agree with you, but not everything is black and white. He was there to pick up his kid not to rob them or hurt them. So clearly, there were already feeling between these people no matter where they happened to be. Not to mention, the guy caused the escalation of violence by even having the rifle pointed at this guy who he knew, but just didn't like. No violence would have occurred had he not started it. The guy who was killed called the cops therefore clearly he didn't have any intentions of doing anything that would have put him in jail. Idk it seems like a case ego and fighting because of exes who can't be civil

[@dienekes4364]

@@2ndamendmentmf366 If someone is essentially holding your child hostage, you would just walk away and do nothing? Not much of a parent, are you?

[@2ndamendmentmf366]

@@dienekes4364 call 911

[@2ndamendmentmf366]

@@benj1b 😬 laws are a pain

[@ravigahlla]

Great analysis. What a needless tragedy that didn’t need to be escalated to this extreme.

[@rejectcase8712]

Two of my favorite guntubers on 1 channel talking on the same issue. It's like gun ASMR. 😂

[@matt.mcquin]

Wow, this is incredibly sad. A man is now a killer, a father lost his life, and a son grows up without his dad. All because of competing egos and flaring tempers. The guy with the gun should have just waited for the police to arrive. Once a firearm was brandished, the father should have just left. So many chances to avoid this disaster. From the looks of it, the guy was lights out, but SOMEONE should have been attempting to administer aid or call for EMS. What a sucky situation.

[@darksideblues135]

No. The guy that was asked to leave should have left and waited for the police.

[@justarandomname420]

Never let another man raise your child.

[@Keepitoriginalministry]

@@darksideblues135 he should have. But the shooter should have not shot so quickly like a coward.

[@186booboo]

They all knew the cops were coming. Everyone involved should have Backed off and waited for the cops...

[@sktyby]

@@186booboo the cops would have just made everything worse. Cops are useless!

[@jimcombs6760]

As a dad who has three kids and an ex-wife, I understand frustration with the dad. The dad in this case, was there legally to comply with court ordered custody exchange. I believe I could hear that the mom had not complied with the court order previously. Mom obviously manipulated these events.

[@aleisterbroley900]

He was there legally... Until he let himself get his buttons pushed, as was obviously the trifling heifer's intent, and was instructed to leave. At that point, he should have gotten in his vehicle, parked in the street, and called the cops to come enforce the order.

[@michaelmoody3737]

@@aleisterbroley900 are you blind though? The dad literally threatened the stepfather when he told him to leave the property. That is when he must lawfully leave. If the father had done the right thing he would have left the property and called the police to enforce the custody ruling. The stepfather is within his rights under Texas law to be armed on his own property. He got a long gun to defend himself self against the obviously over aggressive father and never aimed it at him until he threatened to take it and tried to. Are custody battles frustrating? Yes but that gives no one the right to trespass and make threats. To me someone who grew up around domestic violence the father definitely gave the impression of a domestic abuser and a bully.

[@michaelmoody3737]

@@aleisterbroley900 we kind of agree but the father was the one who came to argue otherwise he would have brought the police with him rather than send him to the grandparents house.

[@ironc5194]

@@michaelmoody3737 troll

[@karkkosvolfe]

@@michaelmoody3737 I am going to address this from a legal professional standpoint. Though that is from NC and a comparison on legal standards. Both TX and NC have same standards for armed status on own property. HOWEVER, both also explicitly require a clear immediate threat of serious bodily harm or death to bring that weapon into play. Frankly, from years in the profession, there was zero credible articulate argument from the "Stepparent" to justify the brandishing of a firearm. The moment he brought that long gun out at low ready, that is brandishing. As for NC, I can tell you that would be a Class 3 Misdemeanor. Now as to the father on property, he was there initially legally to pickup a child for court ordered custody. His statements regarding subpoenas for court is not justification for a lethal weapon. Second, his body language, distance etc doesn't indicate an articulable threat. Third, the discharge of a "warning shot" is virtually illegal in every single jurisdiction that I am familiar with. Both from a personal or professional standpoint. The moment the "Stepparent" fired the shots into the ground by the man's feet with zero immediate threat of serious bodily harm or death. That man had every right to engage. Trespassing is not a lethal force justification in TX or in any other state (NC). Lastly, failure to render aid is further demonstration if lethal intent or premeditated intent. If this was my case, the Stepparent would be charged with 1st Degree Murder. Elements as follows: (1) No justified self defense as no immediate threat of bodily harm or death at time weapon was introduced. Yelling "subpoenas for XYZ" doesn't suffice. (2) Brandished firearm with intent to escalate (3) Illegal discharge of a firearm, reference #1 (4) Fired with terminal effect with again reference to #1 (5) Failure to render aid indicative of premeditated intent to cause death of subject. As there was no continuing or immediate threat of serious bodily harm or death. Therefore, duty to render aid applies.

[@bbkyjohnson]

The mom and boyfriend wanted this outcome in my opinion. The wife had been playing games with the ex for awhile it appears. I’ve been down that road with my ex. We had an agreement between us and the state. I showed up to get my kids and she said no. So I called the cops. Showed them my paperwork. He walks in the house is inside less than 2 minutes and comes back out and says sorry I can’t help you. I can’t force her to give you the kids and drives away. Then what is the point of us having an agreement between us and the state? This mother was escalating the situation and had been for a while. Unfortunately they will probably both get away with it.

[@chunkybones668]

I thought if you had the paperwork, the cops had to enforce to it. Family court needs a serious overhaul.

[@skatevidcentral]

@@chunkybones668 Unfortunately cops don't have the authority to enforce visitation rights. Only thing you can do is take it back to court which requires more time and money. Toxic mothers who do this to their exes know how the system works and it's exactly why they play these games, they want to punish the fathers at the expense of their children.

[@hiddenname9109]

I really appreciated the commentary from both Collion and the host. Very interesting perspectives and it’s nice to hear two men so concerned with the guy’s life. Life is precious and it’s really sad that this altercation happened and now this man’s life is no longer here. As a married man with a son I am feeling all kinds of feelings about this. As a 2a supporter I also find it important to be aware of scenarios that could play out and to be mentally prepared for how to avoid escalations. I don’t ever want anybody to get hurt if it can be avoided.

[@christians131]

I feel bad for the child. I’d bet money the mom will side with the boyfriend but even though it’s a messy case, imagine growing up in the house with the guy who killed your dad

[@taydinnygaard3678]

I would leave or end up killing the guy if I was the kid

[@AV-nl9gc]

@@taydinnygaard3678 Yea if i was the boyfriend I would be looking over my shoulder

[@chameneify]

This is why the step-mom has filled a suit for custody of the minor kids.

[@theprepperrevelator]

@@chameneify she won’t win unfortunately!

[@GrabYourCoffee]

That father's son will put the dude in the dirt if mama stays

[@zonkedbadger2398]

The fact that no one was even remotely concerned and trying to call the cops urgently or literally anything at all makes my blood run cold.

[@jasonsimpkins9069]

I know. That was crazy. Just standing around yelling at each other while dudes dying. Think I'll be freaking out a bit?

[@dbrunette3042]

Cops wont do shit but tell you it is a custody issue and you need to go back to court$$$$$ and plead your case to the judge. So the mom will get a butt chewing slap on hand and told by the judge to let the dad see his child , and the dad will spend his hard earned money maybe even havevto pay more on child support if he is hit up again by the mom while in court. I was met by my exs new husband while i was dropping off new school cloths for my son, he had left in my car. So this fucking deushbag comes outside with his AR15 , starts talking shit while im driving away after my son goes back in the house with his cloths. Called the cops they didnt even come, told me it was a custody issue i needed to take her to court. When seconds matter, cops are minutes away.

[@hughrealman50]

Watch "I Survived", you'll lose all faith in the people around you. Countless stories of women wandering out into the street bloody after barely surviving a rape just to have cars drive past them.

[@cheifwiggums6583]

@@dbrunette3042 learn your shit before you spew shit that is a 9mm carbine not a "aR-15". The child WASN'T THERE KEYWORD WASN'T THERE. You wouldn't let a grown @$$ man snatch a firearm from you after he said he'd use it against you aka kill. This was their business he showed up just to threaten her and him they told him leave he didn't making him a trespasser and him laying a hand on the firearm trying to snatch it out his hands making him a deadly threat

[@cheifwiggums6583]

@@dbrunette3042 if he was black I bet it would be a completely different story. "Black man defends family from deranged white man that trespassed and tried to take his firearm to shoot him". Sounds like something you l!bt@rds would back then isn't miss "aR-15".

[@pitov110]

Its not the job of person being threatened to figure out the intention of a threatening trespasser.

[@moshunit96]

Its really bizarre how calm everyone is after this guy is shot. He's dead and all i hear is "i got that on video."

[@Unknown-xf6he]

I think its more shock seeing someone gunned down like that creates a very off atmosphere which leads to anger, blame and denial.

[@dominusnox8231]

The woman who was responsible for all this won't face any consequences whatsoever. A father is dead and another man will go to prison, but it was the woman who made this situation.

[@r.parker8299]

Totally agree 💯👍

[@98f5]

Exactly

[@aaronjohnson9529]

And she didn’t seem phased at all when he got dropped from 2 the chest, you can almost hear relief in her voice, f-ing weird bro.

[@appallokelley3207]

They never do , they destroy our lives and alienate our kids. There’s no advocates for fathers.

[@noface6452]

Right... Neither of those helpless GROWN MEN were capable of resisting her Jedi mind control🙄.

[@joshbernal4864]

This whole situation is really a shame. I constantly see parents acting like children especially when it comes to custody issues. People are truly vindictive and have no problems using their kids as weapons against the other parent.

[@45eno]

Yeah, people aren't supposed to get married, have children and then have to go to the new boyfriends house to get your kid back. It's a mess when relationships crumble into divorce. We aren't designed to sleep around before marriage and we aren't designed to divorce. Natural consequences happen from our sin. The childish and vindictive behavior is again the sin in the hearts of all of us. Call it preachy, I call it biblical reality.

[@bannedfromtheshow8188]

@@45eno Well said!

[@lemmdus2119]

Happens all the time. See it a lot.

[@harveypolanski755]

@@lemmdus2119 It’s happening to me right now. Haven’t seen my son in 4 months. The lawyers drag their feet. When we see a judge he refuses to hold the mother accountable. But if I refused to pay my child support I’d be in jail. The mother wouldn’t have to lift a finger or pay a cent to a lawyer to make it happen either.

[@lemmdus2119]

@@harveypolanski755 I’m sorry to hear that. I hope and pray thing will get better for you.

[@slosubies4845]

How did I miss this video? I had been waiting for you two to do another video together. I gotta hit that Alert button...

[@TonyKinard]

I agree with Colion on every point - he’s spot on. Overall, it’s such an unfortunate event that was unnecessarily over-escalated by the shooter. These days too many people fail to think beyond ego and self righteous perspectives. Technically justified or not justified shouldn’t be what drives decisions. Wtf?!?! Good grief!!! That man did not have to lose his life. A child did not have to lose his father.

[@ultimatelv27]

He didn't have to come out with the rifle. He just escalated the situation tenfold by doing that. All he had to do was go inside, lock the door and wait for the police to show up.

[@tellcommguy]

He dident have to but he did and its what the father did after that got him shot. There are a butt ton of he should haves and should not haves in this video.

[@drew8642]

Exactly. I think he wanted to be a cowboy and push his weight around he needs to be charged criminally.

[@SDCromwell]

Right. And all megachad had to do was either leave the property when asked, or at the very least keep his hands to himself. And wait for the police to show up.

[@frontsquats]

Both men were emotional and made bad choices. Both of them had their egos get the best of themselves. The wife/exwife certainly didn't help the situation.

[@xxXxXxGxXxXxx]

Listen to what he said before getting shot, he was not in a sane state of mind

[@SuspiciousGanymede]

I like how everyone is nonchalant about Chad being shot.

[@jeffreygunn3530]

That was the first thing I thought, too. Nobody goes over to see if he's still alive or anything. I think this was a setup

[@jethro_bardot]

Pretty sure everybody was in shock. You see the ex wife way off to the right side at the end of the clip. She appears to be standing in horrified silence before she kneels down right as the camera pans away.

[@calebfoster1832]

Wife said she didn't think it was a real gun. Maybe an airsoft gun or something of that nature. It sounds unbelievable but I don't know, I can understand maybe the reality of the situation not hitting her in the moment because it was such a crazy thing that happened. One second they're verbally arguing without physical conflict, the next there's a rifle and your husband is on the ground. What happened, happened very fast.

[@NoNo_IStay]

WIIIDEE OPEEEN SPAACEESS

[@davidrpriest]

No one seems upset or tries to render first aid.

[@mrpeabodythethird]

I definitely appreciate the commentary.

[@ohhansel]

As a father this made me cry. Im pro 2A but this sucks. Prayers to the young boy.

[@icyvividprism]

Well this was an orchestrated murder so it’s nothing about 2a rights this was the bf and mom planned a murder

[@SteppingRazor762]

I honestly can’t believe how calm everyone is after this man just got killed Very strange indeed

[@shaunaj3209]

That's what I was thinking... was it a stunt or what?

[@notundermywatch3163]

It's eerie. Nobody panicked. But I also know from experience that sometimes people just don't realize the gravity of what just happened and are in a state of shock. Not always but it happens.

[@TerminalM193]

@@shaunaj3209 this is my EXACT thought.... The gun shots sounded fake, seemed like some shoddy acting and then everyone's reaction afterwards...

[@robw9852]

The lady filming stated later she didn't know it was a real gun. Guessing she thought it fired bags or something...

[@notundermywatch3163]

@@TerminalM193 it looks like 9mm suppressed, doesn't sound like much but still very deadly.

[@wesbyington6896]

I like how Colion touched on how the "mom" didn't really realize what dangerous game she was playing. As someone who lives the life with a vindictive Ex wife, I think its important to remember the role that the "mom" played in this situation. She deserves a HUGE amount of blame, she's the one who pulled the pin and threw this grenade that resulted in the loss of life, a father dead, a child fatherless, a family destroyed all resulting from a woman who wanted to play games. This is so sad and I hope the child involved all the best and blessings from our heavenly father.

[@juicybutthole2139]

YO DOOPS 👀 WHERE U @? MYYYY DROOOPY! 👀 WHERE U @ COLON! DROOPY AF! 👀

[@wesbyington6896]

@@juicybutthole2139 what?....

[@dominicscavo7971]

Texas 25.03 felony

[@lilskynet8163]

shes guilty of making the dad attack the BF and pulling the trigger, 50 to life!

[@tobiasreaper3650]

@@lilskynet8163 please tell me you're out here trolling. We've encountered each other before, where you were telling me that it was self defense, now you're saying that it's mom's fault.

[@searchingforaway8494]

Glad I found WPSN.... I have personally been in situations where I have experienced people at gunpoint acting tough and refusing to obey a command WHEREAS a person a Taser point will obey commands almost every time. I think this is because people "believe" that someone will squeeze the trigger of a Taser and "wont" with a firearm! Or at least they are more willing to believe the Taser would be used quicker and without hesitation.....

[@GunsnBBQ1911]

I blame the mother for this whole deal. What I still find disturbing 1yr later is how no one tried to render aid and everyone just continued arguing as if nothing happened. That man is only free today because this happened in TX.

[@Jack-oz4bf]

The mother got exactly what she wanted. She's responsible for all of this.

[@adamgettit9211]

Agreed !!!! She needs to be charged for his death! The guy even said , that his ex wife agreed to allow him to pick up the child at an earlier time. .this was all planed out to have that father murdered

[@teskejon]

Nah, Ex husband never should have been there.

[@teskejon]

@Zac's DIY Guns That’s not where he was supposed to pick up his son. That was the bf’s home, not a court ordered exchange location.

[@justinscott1691]

Your forgetting that this was staged and an attempt to draw out maximum emotions to get more views.

[@THELUNATANIAC202]

Law’s the law. He should’ve waited for the cops like a civil person. Now he’s dead because he had to act tough on someone else’s property.

[@pelosishammer]

People who are so adamant about keeping fathers out of the lives of their children, especially when they make the effort to be in their lives are disgusting. Now, those boys will never have their father in their lives again. Evil.

[@Watchdog_McCoy_5.7x28]

Except this guy was a known violent drunk, did time in prison, and tried to disarm a man while trespassing.

[@corbard8766]

Yes..evil mother.

[@aje8790]

Did the father die?

[@NoNo_IStay]

Take em to WIIIDE OPEEENN SPACESS

[@deebee4575]

Yeah sure but that all has nothing to do with killing the guy.

[@stephenbradley5292]

Great vid John and Colion. Not at all offensive despite the YT label.

[@Pikawarps]

they got a shit ton wrong though, so take their opinions with a massive grain of salt.

[@Bighitter03]

Ex husband was murdered the owner elevated the situation and level of force the second he fired the warning shot he intended to use deadly force over trespassing

[@JCHumongous]

Love the closing. Ever since I’ve been conceal carrying I’ve become far more “deescalate” oriented as well. Guys can cut me off, road rage, call me a pussy whatever and I just smile and waive. Before carrying, I was that guy that would throw down for giving me a wrong look. Like Colion stated - a higher sense of responsibility.

[@tonymachuca9471]

Funny how we as men throw down for someone giving us a wrong look! That just means we were also looking at the guy giving us the wrong look and he takes it as a wrong look and is ready to throw down.thank God for my wife and two kids that I finally grew up

[@HarrisonCountyStudio]

Ya, those days are over. I don’t want to be a hero and I’m too old to fight. But.... that’s why I carry ✌🏽

[@sayeretjoez9297]

Your ego is not your amigo!! Stay safe!! Keep up that good attitude!

[@robland6804]

exactly, i have a temper, at this point, i'm more scared of my potential (over)reaction than any perceived threat

[@tridoc99]

Agreed. I always believed that an armed society is a polite society, but I never knew until I carried how polite it would make me.

[@iamstephenmartin186]

I am a dad who has to share his kids with a woman who has a new husband. This is so incredibly hard to watch. I understand the dad’s position. He had a scheduled time and the mom violated it. However, it’s the nature of the beast, it’s still the other mans house. Do not lay hands on him. I really feel for the dad as he is trying to get his kid and is passionate. I would have never escalated to that point of laying hands on the other man. I would have said my piece from the street and called the police.

[@charleshanna2089]

That would be good judgement on your part

[@adamtheheavyequipmentmechanic]

i adopted my oldest daughter, if her birth father had came around like that guy did i hate to say i might have pulled the trigger aswell due to his history, i am curiuous what the back story is with this family. such a crappy scenario.

[@MoarteaLunii]

I think the guy in the black shirt was a bitch for getting his gun, either fight like a man or give the man his son.

[@justarandomname420]

Never let another man raise your child.

[@toddsputnik8265]

I have not been in your situation. But for me, I would document the violation and then seek a contempt of court order. Now the mother's idiot boyfriend/whatever will at least face a civil lawsuit and perhaps criminal charges which will bankrupt him and mother will likely lose joint custody. All because the dude thought with his penis. And father? He's dead and all his family gets is a lawsuit suing a loser who likely has no money to recover from. Pathetic outcome by people who do not think about the responsibilities that come from owning firearms. This video is excellent.

[@eth626]

Great episode

[@raymondpearson4268]

You're exactly right John

[@Archangel1988]

He was able to leave and go in the house "retreated to safety" and came back out with a firearm to re-engage the father who had court orfered custody wasn't justified.

[@navydoc8695]

100%

[@ZedzDed311]

Yup. Safely inside with his party of people and re-engaged. Sure, you got thrown but he shot an unarmed man standing still. Shooter is an obvious hot head, he wanted to hurt someone that day.

[@lancevance47]

It is still your property and in some states you can shoot people on your property if they were being aggressive

[@infozone9601]

@@lancevance47 No. People like you are why this guy is going to jail. At no point can you legally murder. Your actions have to be justifiable.

[@tellcommguy]

He went inside and grabbed a gun to reingage? Are we going to ignore the size difference between the two. If I had a dude that size screaming at my S.O. and not leaving when told I'd take a sec to get something to stop a man bigger then me too. He dident even point it at him. Its sad but the father made a fatal mistake.

[@FBOConcrete]

My issue is how calm everyone is after he just shot him. Everyone seems to calm for a dead gut being there.

[@troyt6532]

Shock?

[@Main-Villain]

@@troyt6532 Thars not shock, that's stupidity mixed with normalcy bias.

[@BreakfastCroissants]

New girlfriend thinks she’s getting paid, ex wife is getting custody, new boyfriend is getting off scot free. And NOBODY is providing aid. The dad is dead or dying and the priority is to argue and say its on camera. Its truly sad. They did call, eventually, but they didn’t check on him immediately.

[@coltonhauptman992]

So go into a man's yard that just shot somebody that he told to leave.

[@lolsk9136]

@@coltonhauptman992 did you not hear their voices? Literally no one cared about the poor bastard, if that was my dad I know what’d I’d be doing right now

[@tdel657]

Good break down of a bad situation. Mostly, I pray people will learn some things, here. Yes, "snip-its" are bad to lead you to a divisive judgement. Thank you WPS! God Bless 😎👍🏻

[@justinedwards7693]

I don’t know if you or many of your followers are familiar with John Correia of active self protection but he has great videos about the tactical side of every point you made. He makes great content.

[@Noadvantage246]

That was such a morally corrupt shooting, she held the man's kid from him, antagonized him, and ultimately her boyfriend pulled a gun on him. It wouldn't be a stretch to say this was premeditated murder in the since she purposely got him frustrated snd heated enough to have an excuse to kill him.

[@3PercentNeanderhal]

A valid point and very possible. Behaviorally speaking women are certainly less prone to direct action being more devious and manipulative than men when it comes to violence often using a proxy...the current husband in this case.

[@mississippipitbull1700]

I’m interested to know the backstory on this one before I decide if it was “morally corrupt”. The father seems to be a bully who is not used ti anyone standing up to him. It will be interesting to see what comes out on the backside of this. There is a lot to reconcile in this incident.

[@krazzykracker2564]

I sympathize with the dad but he was held responsible for his actions. The moment a firearm was brandished he should have left. Instead he escalated resulting in his death.

[@dergunter1237]

@@mississippipitbull1700 reverse the genders and than ask yourself if you would be waiting for the "backstory" in that case too

[@justinramsey8815]

@@mississippipitbull1700 Bully? A court order was placed for him to receive his son at 3:15pm. The mom was refusing to give the man his son at the time the COURT ordered so to me she's the bully

[@tagle8540]

The guy with the gun is Kyle Carruth. His soon to be ex wife is actually a judge in the area which is why people are thinking he hasn’t been charged.This happened out here in Lubbock, Texas. Apparently there’s been lots of issues with the mom withholding their son from the father even though they had a court custody agreement. I was a few blocks away putting gas and hear the gunshots followed by multiple officers heading in that direction

[@TheProHunting]

Great, you're famous now

[@kzn3297]

ahhhh so he also had the ego booster of "my wife will protect me legally". That makes a lot of sense. It just made him even more reckless and irresponsible. Good to know info my man.

[@nhamilton9537]

This shooting was heartless and premeditated.

[@kzn3297]

@@nhamilton9537 agreed

[@badboy121394]

@@nhamilton9537 100 percent

[@NumquamDeorsum]

Texas castle doctrine states that it is justifiable IF the property owner did not provoke the subject. The BF provoked this by bringing the weapon out when he hadn't been threatened.

[@Pikawarps]

Texas law does not consider holding a gun provocation.

[@stefaniedc1128]

wild i discovered this right now because three days ago a grand jury decided to not file any charges against him. Damn, Texas, you wild.

[@kyledawson4535]

"When a gun comes out leave" "don't get killed" great advice.

[@Noadvantage246]

Super easy to say that when emotions aren't involved. Advice like that is like saying "Don't ever argue with your spouse and you'll have a happy marriage". Easier said than done.

[@jdrake33]

It's mostly disturbing to me how he so quickly shifted to just arguing with someone else and is so casual even though he just shot the guy twice and dropped him.

[@jdrake33]

Okay, they talked about it. Shock makes sense, but it's still disturbing.

[@BBQNerd]

He interjected himself into a civil matter between the ex husband and ex wife and shot the ex husband. At the time, the boyfriend was still married to the county judge.

[@zack9912000]

he should absolutely be charged.

[@joemamma2119]

What seamed crazy to me is the people in the car just watched the guy get shot and killed and they aren't freaking out. She says so casually "I got that on video" the only time I hear emotion is when she says for the second time "call 911". Such a crazy situation that shouldn't of happened.

[@Bob-nk6ts]

@@joemamma2119 She was probably in shock. Still trying to understand the situation but can only get out, "call 911". Its a very intense situation to watch a person die.

[@chancejon]

Subscribing due to this video. You guys are great 👍 ❤

[@seemslegit8615]

thank you colin I've been saying the exact same thing. so many ppl ignorant to law and reality.

[@Cjusmc28]

As a father, step-father, and product of a broken home, this should NEVER have reached the point of lethal action. There was no reason for the gun to be introduced it was clearly meant to be a threat of deadly force and there was no justification for a use of deadly force to prompt the need for a gun. That child will likely have a real hard time forgiving his mother!

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

Completely agreed. The dad was there to enforce his parental rights, and he had the right to be there.

[@RougeSanta]

I have a feeling that the bf has been wanting to shoot the baby daddy and finally found the opportunity

[@LlamaValhalla]

@@brahtrumpwonbigly7309 he had no right to be there if the son was not there. Now if the son was actually there then yes he had a right but if not he was trespassing. In the end bad communication as well as pride and ego and attitude made this a very bad situation.

[@FranciscoTorres-dj8mv]

@@LlamaValhalla even if his son was there he would still be trespassing if he was asked to leave. I would have left and came back with the police and the court order to pick him up then.

[@adolpholiverbush5867]

Simply having your gun at the ready to protect yourself isn't "escalation of a problem" so fucking sick of that. WE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE ARMED IN THIS COUNTRY THAT DOESN'T GIVE SOMEONE THE RIGHT TO ATTACK YOU!!

[@chadburtelson9423]

Honest conversations about serious situations like this are hard to come by, thank you. This video was enlightening. Instead of being trampled by the youtube tyrants, this video should be mandatory viewing for more reasons than just the 2a perspective.

[@zlopeztx7376]

Agreed, videos and conversations like this should (if not already, been a few years since I took the class) be included in all firearm classes.

[@Hugh-Glass]

Agreed, solid points well stated.

[@slim420MM]

This looks like a PSA. She took the camera off the shooting so we couldn't see the impact of the bullets.

[@triggersnob9722]

I absolutely 💯 agree

[@mr3817]

This was straight up murder. He PAUSES and standing 10-15 feet away CHOOSES to murder the guy. This isn't "self-defense" AT ALL.

[@claytonmckee8392]

KZbin told me this was inappropriate, so I know it’s good

[@ldtitbcitw6901]

I agree with most of what was said in the video. I wanted to add that after the new BF got thrown, he could have just kept him en joug and told him to keep his distance and waited to see his reaction before shooting ; because had the ex stopped approaching, no shots would have been needed and if he had still tried to come at him, he would have had the time to shoot. I also wanted to point out that people who condemn the woman the story revolved around are doing so without knowing much of the story. As many of you know, relationships can be very complex and things easily get convoluted and murky the more you know. There's rarely just a bad/wrong person and a good/righteous one. And I agree that no matter the reason, intentional or not, it was irresponsible and disrespectful of her to not honour the agreement ; but who could have thought of such an outcome ? The course of action of the new BF was extremely stupid, but after the gun was introduced the ex also reacted inconsiderately. They both share responsibility for what happened, although the new BF has (way) much more to be blamed about. That said, I feel for the direct victim and everyone it impacted, especially his son.

[@ldtitbcitw6901]

Probably no one's gonna read it, you know ? Well you surely do bcz you're me !

[@lextheap1638]

Those kids are going to blame their mother for this for the rest of their lives. I feel so bad for them

[@gregoryhines7]

The son already said that. Such a shame.

[@cyclone8974]

and why shouldn't they? She has probably been using her kids to cause drama like this for years.

[@nojoke420]

As well they should, wife was culpable for creating the situation.

[@Zalen88]

Reminds me of the fencer from the Princess Bride, I am XXX (forget the name),....you killed my father.

[@InAltum.]

Justifiably so.

[@SavageRoosterOnThaLooster]

Love Colion’s content and him as a firearm rights activist. Have him on more often. You two are my favorite firearms channels

[@SlothKing33]

Agreed

[@lilskynet8163]

LOL

[@platinumbrick6]

Agreed

[@willymaykit]

I couldn't agree more.

[@mattomite]

100%

[@Sassquatch713]

That kid is gonna grow up hating them. Hopefully the dad’s family get the kids custody.

[@lemonyskunkketts7781]

I had to click 3 times yes on the warning for this video.