Lucas Botkin & John Lovell Discuss Industry Trouble, Changes at T.Rex & Why He Drew His EDC

[@Coffee1776]

"The tighter the jeans, the tighter the groupings" -Administrative Results😂

[@thefreedomwarrior]

It’s important that I can watch a video with my young son watching over my shoulder and not have to worry about bad language and inappropriate comments. This is why I’m a fan of WPS, T,Rex and Hailey Strategic. God Bless.

[@DMurray-cn6hp]

For those of you who have rough language as myself. Education starts at a young and influential mind. I'll work on my switch=rough language. It's more important than you or I and by product means stronger America. 😅🇺🇲🇺🇸

[@cjspurlock8573]

I love how John the entire interview is just always trying to get him to be his friend

[@WarriorPoetSociety]

It’s really an 8 year thing 🤣

[@benlastname6667]

Be his friend Lucas!

[@TS-mt6rm]

Dont be silly. Who wouldnt want to be friends with John? He has to be one of the most likable people on youtube.

[@davidhowell7901]

It can be lonely at the top😊

[@tyrantworm7392]

​@@WarriorPoetSociety I'm an older likely mildly autistic bloke, and it becomes easier to mix in wisdom as you get older, despite always being mildy emotionally detached. I agree that no man is an island John, but we do probably need people less than the average man, keep at him though, one day Lucas will appreciate it fully. Much love.

[@lukepippin4781]

These are my two favorite guys on KZbin, and seeing them doing an interview together makes me happier than I’ve been in months 😆

[@QuitYoJibby-JabbinFool]

Same here!!! God bless these men!😊

[@TheJetlife94]

If seeing two men you don’t even know come together makes you happier than you’ve been in months, brother seek some help.

[@mattmorrison9379]

Bro, you need a hug?

[@paulh6101]

Sorry to hear that. Hope life gets better for you.

[@Strawman333]

These guys have no idea who you are probably. Don’t look to other men for your happiness. Look to Christ for truth, love, and happiness.

[@biaspriene]

Smiling Lucas premiering on WPS.

[@DT0me7624]

Best comment. 😂

[@mozdzio]

This is the most I've ever seen Lucas smile.

[@JohnSmith-00700]

This by far is one of my favorite interviews from the 2A community on YT! It did not seem fake or pretentious like so many other interviews on social media. It really vibrated genuine comradery and brotherhood, and was funny too! God bless you guys, and God bless America!

[@mattogle2582]

Thinking same thing these 2,u put sage dynamics with them u have a hell of a gun community that would listen and know the speakers know there stuff,John could be the one that calms things after Lucas makes a bold statement that people don’t want to hear,but is true and sage could be the one that knows every gun made to back up all there saying in facts lol,they really are the heavy hitters that people listen to and there right ,we have to be as one after all ,ant that what God wants anyway,this world is cashing fast and we havet to respect and help each other

[@yeahboiiiiiiii]

blah blah jesus isn’t real

[@MyCoolFish]

Brothers don’t shake hands, brothers hug! - Tommy Boy

[@davidhowell7901]

One of my favorite lines that I use on everybody that's important to me that I haven't seen in a while.😊 "...brothers gotta hug!"

[@Vincent_Boogaloo]

Good film & 100% accurate.

[@Vaporfry]

My Favorite part is how wholesome this is.

[@jamierad9884]

This should have been a 4+ hour interview! This was great! God bless! 🙏🏼🇺🇲

[@MagicPrepper]

I was adopted and I'll forever be grateful that I was given a chance at life by my birth mother and adoptive family.

[@nesoone178]

Same here buddy

[@MagicPrepper]

@nesoone178 truly unfortunate how difficult the adoption process is.

[@nesoone178]

@@MagicPrepper Ive always wondered why? I have my theories but I'd like to think it wouldn't take much effort to streamline the process and give more kids opportunities at a better life

[@MagicPrepper]

@@nesoone178 government's going to government I guess.

[@RedDawnReadiness]

Good to see you @magic prepper!! I am now also greatful for your birth mother and adoption family ! You’re a good one dude

[@termo543]

You 2 were the most influential on me growing up as a younger man. WPS and Trex has gone a long way in shaping my ideology and philosophy as a man. Really matured not just personally, but spiritually, professionally, and in the gun world as well. I have encountered a lot of success in my life lately, and you all and the community certainly helped that. Keep up the great work guys!

[@Tallguy03]

Same bro!

[@pa_trickbrandt]

I totally agree for myself too. I'm sure there are tons more who would say the same

[@Psalm144.1]

I hope you’re a Christian too. John would hope that Jesus Christ is the greatest influence on your life.

[@DankBullet]

Thank You LUCAS! You guys (Trex Arms) helped me get back into the 2A community after my house fire last year! We lost everything. I would still be struggling to get kit if it wasn't for the trex team. I am extremly gretful and I can't thank you guys enough!

[@marktisdale7935]

I have to say I didn't like Lucas for a while, but he has grown on me. I now have a lot of respect for him and his company

[@Kaotix_music]

I used to like him, then slowly REALLY disliked him, now im kinda neutral about him. He got a bit too controversial for a while and he slowly stopped with it and went back to being more "educational" for me and started to like him again

[@RichBreymeier]

Still don't like the poser

[@Mojo32]

I agree. Although it'd be great if he were on "my side" in shtf since he's a great marksman, etc. I am also concerned that he'd instantly work towards his warlord comments in this video and things that he's done/said in his own over the years.

[@lithium1770]

​@@Mojo32 it's a joke my man

[@madride858585]

He goes back and forth on the douche level

[@ronlongwellphoto]

This conversation is why I have such massive respect for both of you and for what you each have built. I regard you as my brothers and allies. As such, thank you for this conversation. It gives me hope.

[@ASkippingRock]

I was in catholic school for 10 years and you two discussing Matthew 18 in dealing with conflict is more useful and memorable than all of my religion classes. I haven’t gone to church or studied the Bible in over a decade and I love the discussions. Your thoughtfulness and integrity are rare and admirable.

[@kennall79]

John and Lucas most down to earth dudes on internet. Great guys and patriots.

[@christianmartin4229]

Lovell yes but I wouldn’t call Lucas “the most down to earth”

[@ericorange2654]

Lucas is down to earth? I have a bridge to sell you

[@jeremyeaton9698]

2 guys that I highly respect in the same interview. Much love and respect to both of you.

[@jkellyid]

Just want to say as a son trying to become the 4th generation in a family business that is about 120 years old, and trying to become a partner with my brother. I really take so much inspiration from the Botkin story.

[@NickBlazer-cf1vs]

God Speed Brothers!

[@davidhowell7901]

A family business and family in the business are quite different. I applaud any business that brings in an overseeing, do the work that splits up family, type xo. When I was younger I never understood that idea. An outside opinion is so vital to keeping a family business more family than business...in a positive way

[@danielweissenborn3508]

I appreciate you both more through the experience of watching this video. Keep being the Salt and the Light. I feel your pain around finding good friendships Lucas.

[@noahdeville2764]

Two best Christian 2A “influencers”. Keep up the good work both of you. Our country needs more men like the both of you. Let’s go Brandon!

[@c3bhm]

Let's pull our heads out of the clouds, though. This staunch anti-abortion stance is handing the entire country to the deranged marxist left on a silver platter. We are losing badly, and will lose permanently over this. Look at every other anglo country: utterly and permanently dominated by the left, where any presence of the right is considered 'extremist' and 'fascist'. Our idiocracy is not going to support outlawing abortions. Christian religious membership is plummeting, especially among youth, who are future voters, which is the future of the nation, right around the corner. So, what then, 'immanentize the eschaton'? Should we just hand the world over to this creepy authoritarian NWO, for the sake of insisting on outlawing abortions (which wont even happen, because the right simply wont have the political power to accomplish it - so the loss of the country will all be for no actual results), and then wait around for Jesus 2.0 to show up and rescue us? Is that patriotic? Is that mature? Is that what grown men should do? Is that what the founding fathers would want us to do? I'm extremely Christian-friendly, but this strikes me as cultish insanity. "Trust the plan!", right, as the world becomes one big prison planet..?? Either start refreshing the tree, or back off abortion. You can't have your lazy cake and delusionally eat it too.

[@EuropaChronicles]

I have tremendous respect for Lucas, Isaac, and all of the people at TRex Arms. Their company motto is “Equipping Serious Citizens” which is awesome. From putting up free training content on their website to creating high-quality gear, they live up to that goal day in and day out. They’re also heavily involved in local politics, which is something many of us neglect in our own lives. We have to be prepared for the worst while doing everything we can within the system to save this country from barreling off the cliff.

[@I.G_NL]

This is one of the most energetic versions of lucas i have ever seen. Yall really make a good duo, more content together would be cool

[@HatchBackLove27]

I seriously have such a huge respect for people like Lucas. He has kept true to his original vision and kept true to his morals while being super successful with his company over all these years. Well done!

[@mwfirefighter08]

We need more of this in not only the 2A community but in the world. Great interview guys. John I just want you to be my friend dangit!!

[@josephrogers7695]

It’s so cool to see real believers be this successful and have this great of a platform and not be ashamed to speak about their faith. You guys are both legends in the industry and are the kind of people that the 2A community needs to follow. You can tell that they’re genuine and just humble guys. Love to see it.

[@enudretheinsult]

Awesome interview; 35:58 Lovell to Lucas "Are you on the spectrum?" I almost fell out of my chair laughing! '

[@Mojo32]

😂 Hilarious! 😂

[@davidhowell7901]

when you know you know😊

[@DT0me7624]

His got the ‘tism touch as Eli would say. 😂

[@MiaogisTeas]

​@@DT0me7624100%

[@douglasoneill]

If someone is above average intelligence and exacting in 2024 they’re “on the spectrum.”

[@SnapD24]

Man, I needed this. It's probably the most opened up that I've seen Lucas be, and I've been loving this interview series.

[@ValidSurvival]

Always refreshing to hear from Lucas Botkin and John Lovell. Their insights into the challenges and changes within the firearms industry are invaluable.

[@AZMarine513]

31 years in my marriage. 35 years of knowing each other. We are still learning and evolving together. It is awesome!

[@CivilianTactical]

There is so much good in people. Christlike love (including Christlike correction) is the number 1 way to improve the industry. (Not to mention ourselves.)

[@LRRPFco52]

America is so due for a revival after generations of slashing away at our foundational principles.

[@lizpetruzzi7700]

Two minutes in and I’m dying….”if you’re a bird then I’m a bird” 😂😂

[@fauxarms883]

Hey John and Lucas, I have never commented on a KZbin video, but feel compelled after your discussion on adoption. We finalized our first adoption last month and I will say that our experience was very different, yet at the same time, along the same lines as John described. State to state there are differences, but the largest variances lie in the different agencies and/or attorneys who assist with the process. I would encourage every Christian couple to entertain the idea of adoption or fostering, and in asking around at their churches and communities, you will unearth the good and bad agencies/attorneys pretty easily. I would also not let the financial aspect scare a couple away. For example, with the agency we used, there was a flat fee well below what John described, and that covered you whether there were several “fake outs” or whether you got a placement in the first month. In addition, there are many grants available, and I think if you are not in a position to adopt, you should at least think about donating to a reputable org. If each “pro life”conservative gun owner would donate one Glock’s value to an adoption agency you would see the change you both are wishing for. Adoption is life changing and not just for the baby. You will find your whole world upside down in a good way and your priorities will never be the same again. Thank you both for your discussion and may God bless you both.

[@RedRiverRebel-u3q]

As a Christian I would have to disagree that every Christian family consider adoption. I have seen the not great side of the Christian adoption movement and the results aren't as rosy as people make it out to be. I'm happy you have had a good experience but that just simply isn't what I have normally seen.

[@paullane7489]

I love both of these guy!!! True patriots!!! 👍🇺🇸👍🇺🇸👍🇺🇸👍🇺🇸

[@josiah_kramer]

Literally my two favorite people in the entire gun industry. Love it.

[@derekb2681]

CLEARLY, you should both be running for office. Even just for a single term. You WILL make a positive impact on this country. Great episode! Thank you.

[@Sigrafix]

2 of my favorite guntubers.. Good stuff.

[@nonyabusinessinc]

i prefer guntubers that dont wear makeup

[@D1_Tactical]

@@nonyabusinessincyou’re so manly

[@nonyabusinessinc]

@@D1_Tactical more manly this this twink

[@musician445]

I always knew you guys were friends but that first 10 minutes was like straight up pals having an awesome time. Love to see it.

[@wtdconcepts]

Already saw this on WPSN but commenting for the algorithm! Great interview, love these two dudes!

[@constitutionalpatriot6797]

I've been involved in a few family businesses, and my rule about who to go into business with is: Never go into business with someone whose feelings you're afraid to hurt. Great interview, John! Keep doing what you do best. 💪

[@jacobferrara5912]

Man these two should collab more. I want to see the story development when Lucas caves to being Johns friend

[@xstevenx8132]

Honestly, an absolutely knockout podcast. My mom who does not love guns got this as a recommendation tour from me because it’s candid questions with candid answers about running a business with family. Absolutely wonderful.

[@FathM]

I could see myself getting along with Lucas. Same age, play video games, shoot guns, some fellowship too. Great interview guys

[@lithium1770]

same

[@mjolnirdynamics8789]

I'm a Volunteer and the Botkins are a force for good in this State! Keep up the good work Lucas and Bros!

[@Tallguy03]

These two are my favorite people! Wish I could meet you guys in person

[@AC9T]

It does my heart good to see these two brothers in Christ together, having this discussion. Thank you both for a little insight into your lives and jobs which is also your ministry.

[@GMan56M]

"Have you pulled the goalie" KILLED me! 🤣Great interview gents!

[@2A4ever]

For as long as I have followed both John and Lucas separately, I never knew they had such a history together. Really great conversation! Lucas is about the same age as me and I continue to be impressed by how successful he's been with his business, not to mention appreciate everything he does for the 2A community.

[@123gonow]

Two of the better folks on the Tube for sure ! Excellent

[@charlesotto7584]

History will tell how important these two men and their organizations have been to preserving human life, encouraging personal responsibility, and safeguarding liberty. Keep up the good work

[@manor61840]

the team up we all knew we needed

[@calebmorton3590]

I dont think I have ever seen Lucas this relaxed before.

[@nathanpepper6293]

1:33 That look when Lucas says he wants a hug :)

[@VBIED13]

As an adoptive parent of a foster child, the last 10 minutes of your podcast are so true. We fostered 4 children over a 2 year span and adopted the last. As soon as we adopted we stopped fostering because of how hard it was to comply with everything just to try and do good. We completed our family but the foster care and adoption system is broken and needs to change.

[@benbangui]

lol the fact that John quoted the notebook makes me love him even more 🤣🤣🤣

[@yesdeere1376]

War poet lover boy 😂

[@benbangui]

@yesdeere1376 😂👌🏼🤷🏻‍♂️

[@sbaird42]

Love the marriage advice coming from awesome men like these two. Keep that coming, John! It's needed by all of us.

[@jonathanchow6305]

My wife said this is like watching Tolkein and Lewis. Both pairs are the most influential philosopher entertainers of their culture. I said this on WPSN, but felt it was worth putting here too.

[@breakmytee93]

Proverbs 27:6 "Profuse are the kisses of an enemy, faithful are the wounds of a friend". It's our job to call out those who we care about. Not because we want to prove them wrong or that we're right, but to better them as individuals. Important to note though, truth without love rarely goes well, so how we deliver a wound to a friend must be done tactfully. Love these interviews John, keep them coming!!!

[@Rosie_C]

I love the word “tactful”. I read a great devotional titled “a textbook definition of tact” and it had an impact on me. And I am so blessed with friends who will tell me the truth. The folks in life who can’t handle the truth have zero or few real friends and they just aren’t as good for it.

[@True_Patriotx]

2 powerhouses in the same room! The Warrior Poet Trex team up! Epic!

[@nousername4956]

John as an infantry veteran and someone who has recently come back to Christianity you are such a great role model. I hope you and your family continue to be abundantly blessed

[@stupidthoughts9635]

Brothers don't shake hands, Brothers gotta hug! Man I miss Chris Farley.

[@LRRPFco52]

"Hey Richard. Fat guy in a little coooat. Fat guy in a little coat. Phat guy in a little coat."

[@royce3582]

Man I love how this collab finally happened

[@Judahcruzer]

Two of my favorite guntubers. Great collab!👍👊🇺🇸

[@Capt_Raccoon]

As a foster parent in GA. The difficulty to adopt/foster kids is really difficult. As a Christian gun guy we were almost denied, but we stood our ground and fought. We got excepted. Then the Foster parents are literally just a glorified babysitter. There is so much more, but John hit the nail on the head.

[@Kids_SAFE_Fdn]

Great conversation. Rising tides rise all ships!!

[@strykeback1]

This is an amazing interview as someone that stopped watching tv and stuck to “learning on KZbin” I’ve been fans of both of their stuff. The fact that my wife and I pulled our kids out of school over 3 years ago and constantly wonder if homeschooling was the right move especially with one they might be slightly on spectrum along with trying to convince my wife that homesteading is the way. This entire hour was filled with handfuls of gems.

[@WalterRitchey]

1:01:58 when Lucas accidently directly quotes the Joker. "It's not about the money, it's about sending a message." Lol

[@freedomfalcon]

Accidentally?

[@markmelbourne6686]

I Love the faith driven company leadership. Great opportunity to disciple to many. Both of you and your businesses are a great example for us all.

[@johnemmert9012]

Having been part of an adoptive family, it still breaks my heart that my folks had the chance to provide a loving, stable home to a child in need yanked away not once, but twice. I am so sad for the children being adopted out through the "state solution" when the state sanctioned foster care system is such a mess and, by their own admission, is more rife with abuse than any private organization in history.

[@PastorPat23]

My respect for you John, just increases every day. Hold the line brother!

[@RuiBossTheOnly]

The legendary interview we've all been waiting for.

[@Allinoffroad]

The best two gun guys in the industry hands down in the same room !!!

[@redline870]

Freakin love John Lovell

[@RedBeardLife]

This was very interesting! Glad to see these two guys chatting. I sure hope Lucas watches this back and took away a lot from this conversation. John, you handled this interview amazingly well!

[@jkellyid]

I notice how remotely compitent homeschooled kids who are ushered into adult hood in a good way all seem (even in my own life, thinking back to most of the home schoolers who I met in highschool, college and after) to become socially potent leaders. The lack of being ordered under social norms gives a real solid back bone.

[@FathM]

This is true, but also probably why he has issues with having friends. Not that he wouldn’t be a good one, but he wasn’t forced to socialize in public school and learn the nuances of being a friend early on

[@Pinksalmun]

"But if you homeschool your kids, they'll be different and won't fit into contemporary society!" Yes I know. That's the point.

[@sarramiller976]

⁠@@FathMThis is a popular misconception but as a coach who works with both traditional students (private and public schools) as well as home-educated students this has not proven to be true in my experience.

[@theKashConnoisseur]

@@FathM most grown men have few, if any, close friends. It's not that deep, and it's not unique to Lucas in the slightest.

[@MotorcycleMouse]

To see you two do an interview is awesome! Much respect to both of you for the contributions you have made for the 2A community.

[@tommysalami3087]

This is great, my 2 favorite gun-tubers.

[@bryanmcdermott4204]

Thank you for discussing how to handle disagreements, and using scripture to explain your rationale. Your adoption discussion was the best part of a terrific conversation.

[@laynesellers]

The beard helps John. Thank God he grew it back.

[@gabrielbaker2667]

I want bearded Lucas

[@Nickbr549]

I have always loved Lucas and his content. But hearing him, talk about everything and in relation to his faith, so regularly makes me like him even more.!

[@Kids_SAFE_Fdn]

The gun industry has to invest in the next generation. We are close to losing our 2A all together.

[@richardwaslostjesusfoundme9051]

The duo we have always wanted and totally needed.

[@jwilliams3170]

John talking about how to disagree on things was definitely what he tried to do with Tim Kennedy. He really gave the platform to lovingly help Tim out of the hole he dug himself into.

[@WarriorPoetSociety]

It’s remarkable how few would see that

[@garyandtricia1]

Agree that John absolutely wants to bring us all together, and is the consistent in how he does that. However, TK seems to lack the humility to truly accept that hand up to get out of the hole. Time and time again, he thinks he can continue to use his shovel to get out of the hole.

[@channeellll7623]

Cant bring men together with Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ…

[@SSPspaz]

Agreed. I’m glad John gave him the opportunity to clarify his past comments. That being said, I don’t think TK took full advantage of said opportunity. He didn’t walk back his comments anywhere near strongly enough to repair his credibility. I can respect Kennedy as a combat vet and as a fighter, and I can enjoy him as a podcast guest, but I don’t think I could ever trust him. If SHTF, I’d always be questioning whether TK would be kicking in doors for the state. The same goes for other high-profile vet bros like Dakota Meyer (with his LARPing comments) and the BRCC guys Evan Hafer and Mat Best for talking garbage about their customers and dumping on Kyle Rittenhouse. There’s a huge difference between having an interest in firearms as an extension of your military service and truly understanding the 2A’s purpose and evangelizing it accordingly. By contrast, I’d absolutely trust 2A and/or veteran influencers like Lovell, GarandThumb, Herrera, Botkin, Sean Ryan, Freitas, etc. as they’ve all made it VERY clear that the 2A is an inalienable right for ALL citizens. Not just their exclusive club.

[@jwilliams3170]

@WarriorPoetSociety humility goes a long way and is fading fast in this world. Thanks John and the WPS folks for being a loud voice for the good guys while still practicing Christ-like humility.

[@EricSolomon-op8ti]

THANK YOU BOTH!! Super Great getting to know you. Really appreciate this

[@jwilliams3170]

John definitely was an influence in converting me to homeschooling my children.

[@thefreedomwarrior]

I would highly recommend. Test scores are off the charts and my children (more than 4 less than 10) are incredibly well behaved.

[@jwilliams3170]

@thefreedomwarrior I’ve gotten to interact with several college students and young adults who were homeschooled and that was what finally sold me. All of them have been hard workers in and out of the classroom, well-liked by their peers, and are good studies, test takers, and paper writers.

[@paulfrancois7653]

The crazies rampant in public education should influence every normal, God-fearing family to homeschool their children

[@austintaylor2059]

These discussions need to be on Spotify

[@Porkchopexpress391]

The shot timer for milking the cow's.. very funny!

[@freedomfalcon]

Lucas should do that for an April fool's day video.

[@samuelwalton5467]

So much wisdom from these two! Love these guys!

[@brianfleming2478]

Lucas - "I've never seen the notebook, but I know it's overrated." John (making direct eye contact with Lucas) - "If you are a bird...I'm a bird." 😂

[@justinhowe2511]

Lucas was the reason I got into firearms. So I was stoked I got to meet both of you guys at SHOT. John’s Wife was nice enough to take a picture for me because my GF had so much merch in her hands 😂 Lucas and his brother talked to me for a good 15 minutes.

[@royce3582]

49:18 “I fired him right after 🗿” maaan John had to hold his comments back 😂😂

[@thesebiscuits1691]

Already commented earlier, before I watched the video. Now that I've watched it, THANK YOU John for having Lucas on. Ive been watching his content since he started, and same with yours. Cheers to both of you 🇺🇸

[@63xMortis]

Imagining Kid Lucas walking around chugging monsters and hitting A zones (pissed off at B zones) is hilarious Edited: C Zone

[@mongo5564]

C zone there is no B

[@63xMortis]

@mongo5564 you right my bad. There is a B zone but it's a head shot that's not in the T box. But I was meaning the C zone

[@trekfortruth2841]

You two are hysterical together, but at the same time thought provoking and engaging...well done!

[@SniperOwnageLol]

Vote for Jesus

[@beeamerica5024]

Already did thank you

[@ShemaYisrael1948]

I just took down my worn and frayed American flag. That’s been at half mast for three years because I wasn’t gonna change it and I wasn’t gonna raise it until we got a new president. I put up a Christian flag instead.

[@mythguard6865]

In the words of King Arthur “You don’t vote for kings!” He’s already in charge my friend, nothing man does can cause his will to fail.

[@mythguard6865]

In the words of King Arthur “You don’t vote for kings!” He’s already in charge my friend, nothing man does can cause his will to fail.

[@mythguard6865]

In the words of King Arthur “You don’t vote for kings!” He’s already in charge my friend, nothing man does can cause his will to fail.

[@johnnydoe7846]

It makes my heart all warm and fuzzy to see a homeschool kid (with a touch of the tisim) grow up and be so successful. 😊

[@brianlafave8489]

Let's go brandon!!!

[@johnndavis7647]

Best conversation I have ever listened too. I am going to run it again to see what I missed the first time.

[@keenanschouten2582]

Panel discussion & debate would be super cool. My dream panel would be to see Tom Kier, Craig Douglass, Lucus, Noir, John and James Yeager (RIP).

[@carboss]

One of my favorite interviews of all time.