Madalyn Murray O'Hair Talks Atheism, Religion, and Four Letter Words | Carson Tonight Show

Madalyn Murray O'Hair Talks Atheism, Religion, and Four Letter Words - Carson Tonight Show - 10.12.1972
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[@billmorley3530]

This is a prime example of an effective interviewer. Johnny Carson was quite the opposite of today's self aggrandizing hosts, who ramrod their own opinions, rather than let their guests flesh out their views. Johnny listens quietly, asks pertinent questions and then shuts up.

[@gracevasquez249]

How it’s supposed to be especially for journalists.

[@marylou6480]

Yes Bill, he really was one of the best!!!

[@wilburmcbride8096]

@@gracevasquez249 Well, there's very few Johnny Carson's type journalist around anymore, if not none.

[@solosaloon1959]

So true.

[@traci7955]

Exactly! At that time no one thought the way this woman did. Johnny didn't try to change her mind. He allowed her to give her opinion, and the audience was allowed to decide. Now we have main stream news saying they will no longer let the "other side" give their opinion, because "they" don't agree with it.

[@py2007]

You can feel the awkwardness in the audience. How things were so different back in 1972.

[@JeremiahCohen]

True. People still loved God then.

[@paultarsus3]

@@JeremiahCohen good to see you're doing well Jeremiah. I pray things have been going well for you. Your videos with the street preaching and praise and worship music in the background hit me especially hard. I already knew about the symbolism but watching how hateful people respond to the gospel is eye opening. Jesus has the same popularity today as he did back then. People love darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil.

[@heatwave]

People are far more enlightened, than they were 50 years ago.

[@mikedrown2721]

Now people have reached the age of reason of false promises and exaggerated claims

[@albertcornett7408]

@@JeremiahCohen The mindless fools still do. Prove God?

[@noorrougelewis6704]

She lived back in the day when a lot more people were religious. Atheism was a very radical and unheard of thing back then. She was one of a kind for her generation, that's for sure.

[@ak22gml85]

One young woman in the audience of the Austin debate got it right when she said had Madalyn expressed those views “…in another day, she would have been put on a scaffold…” And that intolerance and retribution for any inkling of free thought has been, and still is, the way of religion and the hypocritical devout. The modern scaffold was tarring her with the brush of ‘the most hated women in America’ in order to demonise, invalidate and silence her. I am glad they did not succeed and her voice, her insights, her wisdom can still be heard today.

[@andreaberryman5354]

In a horrific and despised way. Sick of being poor, so made a mess for money.

[@MurielDeppman]

ONE of a kind, and thank god for that....she was just too vile. Kudos to Carson.

[@jameslomenzo1139]

Really she was murder with her son,daughter and put in a grave in Texas, wonder if she found out there was a God.

[@Weserman75]

@@andreaberryman5354 That's not true. Inform yourself!

[@deniselandmesser9966]

Johnny Carson was class act there isn't anyone like him today.

[@Armistead_MacSkye]

He was never drunk on-air, I agree.

[@nilnil7325]

In some ways I think Joe Rogan is. Rogan interviews people from all different walks of life and he lets them speak. He also listens carefully and politely. He's a bit of a modern day Johnny Carson in that respect.

[@serenityinside1]

Nil nil : what utter bollocks - have you EVER listened to rogan ? 🙄

[@marybarry2230]

Absolutely correct. No matter whether he agreed or disagreed with any guest whether he liked them or didn't like them he always had respect for them and let them speak freely.

[@user-sp8eb6iz7f]

He never beat his wife on air!!

[@chrisarseneault5617]

This is back in the day when a talk show host could have an intelligent conversation with a guest instead of these talk show hosts today that only talk about a movie in a CD and everything has to be so funny. R i p Johnny Carson you are the best ever

[@reader6690]

Yes, intelligent back then, but now: trivial gibberish.

[@hankkingsley2976]

@@reader6690 how so please explain politely

[@chikkipop]

@I've seen the Twinkie and the damage done It should delete disinformation from ignoramuses! Your problem with the "govt agenda" should have been when the Trump Cult was in power.

[@natewilliams3211]

@I've seen the Twinkie and the damage done u tube and Facebook wants to this country to become socialist and working everyday for that goal. Don't trust these people.

[@lindaclark9925]

@I've seen the Twinkie and the damage done it's nearly done, it seems like.wow.

[@sandmonjones8004]

It's so refreshing hearing an intellectual interview and how Johnny Carson can intertwine humor into the conversation without swaying the topic one way or another.

[@eyemnew2991]

I watched a video of Madelyn making the statement " public schools won't bring prayer back in the classroom" In my town, the school administration have given school authorities the option of letting the faculty start classes with prayer or letting the students volunteer to do it from the office over the intercom. The students said yes they wanted to do it. That sounds like to me prayer is either coming back into the classroom or it stayed in the school but was dormant until now which is 2022. I'm thinking Madelyn was wrong when she said that.

[@YankeeDoodle2]

​@@eyemnew2991 We need prayer back in school

[@ZBXL22222]

​@eyemnew2991 that would be a violation of civil rights. I would sue the school. They have no right to enforce that garbage let alone force students to listen to it. Guaranteed there are students having to suffer through it because if they speak up, the violently evil & wicked religious would harm them physically or verbally for doing so. The religious particularly of the Abrahamic faiths are prone to violence in fact thier religion calls for violence.

[@varelmarais2222]

​@@YankeeDoodle2we need thee and thine ilk to be silent forever

[@sirfrancisdrake2398]

When this aired, the world did not know what to do with a person like that. Admittedly, I was a Christian at the time, and was surrounded by the same, rarely hearing an opposing viewpoint. Today I am joyfully released from the shackles of religion and I have her and other brave and intelligent leaders to thank for it.

[@mushmouf1400]

Yuck

[@thomf7840]

You’re pitiful. Religion is not a shackle.

[@mushmouf1400]

@@thomf7840 and the reason folks dont like religion is .... why does he have to be pitiful? religion IS a shackle because people use it to degrade others. If you were to be like Jesus, you wouldn't insult a person that you are supposedly trying to "save. Be like Jesus dude

[@deadking8224]

Same can't be said for her son though lol

[@Mimi-xw3xt]

"joyfully released from the shackles of religion" you must have an easy life if religion is your only "shackle." I am the exact opposite of you. I was shackled to sin as an athiest. I was set free from such shackles when I met Christ. I, as a christian, have heard nothing but opposing views, whether from muslims, buddhists, athiests, agnostics, or whatever it may be, yet I'm still Christian through and through.. If you heard an opposing view ONCE and change your entire mind, you must be weak minded. There is no other explanation.

[@calebb8009]

One of the bravest, most intelligent, and most well-spoken historical figures there's ever been. It's crazy how ahead of her time she was, still pissing people off decades after death. Really exemplified just how hateful religion can make people.

[@anonymousjohnson976]

Caleb: Yes, and we atheists need to keep pissing them off; maybe they will get off their high horse and be sensible and reasonable.

[@SoulJack4Ever]

You respect her wanting to ban religion?? You people make me sick🤢🤮

[@sebastianbreier2417]

I’m a Christian, and I think she’s awesome! Religion doesn’t make people hateful. Man make man hateful. So many twisted individuals preaching the word and twisting it in such a way that followers believe. And they know they do it too, she is extremely intelligent and I do not judge her because she doesn’t believe in god.

[@SoulJack4Ever]

@@sebastianbreier2417 me neither but she wanted to ban religions tho I’m not hating I’m just saying she coulda minded her own business

[@sebastianbreier2417]

@@SoulJack4Ever you do have a point tho.

[@MrJoeybabe25]

When the show was 90 minutes it had so much more gravitas to it. Madalyn Murray O'Hair is an example of Johnny's talent at serious interviews, which was far too often pushed aside in the last 10 or 15 years.

[@hankkingsley2976]

You've got to be old when you remember when It went from 90 minutes to an hour

[@kenmario6284]

@@hankkingsley2976 ugh thank you. Yes that last 15 minutes always had an author. When they cut it down to an hour you rarely saw authors anymore.

[@hankkingsley2976]

@@kenmario6284 for that matter you got to be old if you remember watching it in first-run at all my wife at the time is now 48 and I'm pushing 60

[@kenmario6284]

@@hankkingsley2976 I remember when he was in New York. I don’t remember him not being gray though. I’m 59.

[@hankkingsley2976]

@@kenmario6284 I don't think I remember remembering new york-based episodes past my bedtime as a kid

[@FrankGhal]

Atleast she did some good religion has no place in government and school

[@lesliecas2695]

Johnny smoking a cigarette on set -- the really old days!!!

[@marilynanthony4727]

I was 16 years old when this was aired. Now I'm almost 65. There is a God and He's proven Himself to me over & over. Poor Madelyn Murray O'Hare...very very sad

[@gretelhance]

@Skip Ads Dr skip??

[@gretelhance]

@Skip Ads it's called the word of God 🙏

[@anonymousjohnson976]

@@marilynanthony4727 : Can you prove this god? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

[@jessebryant9233]

@@anonymousjohnson976 Can you prove that naturalism is even possible? It is, after all, an extraordinary claim! But most embrace this 'faith' ignorantly. _Are you an exception?_

[@thomniced]

She was before her time. She had a law degree and was brilliant. I'll just say that she would have a lot more support today.

[@connievino4226]

She is a part of what is happening today. She didn't believe in God so nobody else could. Wow. A simple prayer in the morning never hurt anyone. I was not born when that was allowed in school but was her damn problem?

[@darrenhenderson6921]

She would lead the democratic party.

[@connievino4226]

@@darrenhenderson6921 yeah and they are doing great. Lol

[@darrenhenderson6921]

@@connievino4226 speaking as an outsider from the UK, the fact your prisons are like 85% black people, and you have a stand alone school shooting phenomena, I would say you're doing absolutely dreadfully.

[@DavidN16792]

Jesus Is King

[@stephenperretti8847]

Thank you for posting this video. It was such a disservice to us all when Johnny shortened the Tonight Show. The last half hour was intellectually stimulating, though sometimes a bit dry. It also gave us all a view of Johnny's fine intelligence and academic interests. Again, thank you for posting this. I hope you will post more of Johnny's last half hour interviews.

[@lelawoods7910]

Johnny Carson was amazing. What’s portrayed in this video is something that’s largely lost on today’s society. Sitting down and having a civil conversation with someone you may not agree with is almost a thing of the past. I have never seen this country as divided as it is now and debates almost inevitably turn into shouting matches with insults and name calling. It’s even evident in these comments. I am a Christian. I wish everyone were but no amount of talking I do will persuade anyone and I respect that. You do you and it will all end the way it ends. Good luck to all.

[@anonymousjohnson976]

Lela: If you had been born in the Middle East, you would be a Muslim, and they believe christians are going to hell.

[@crmay72]

So beautifully stated, Lela! Christian here, too but I respect others' beliefs, etc.

[@gregpettis1113]

I don't think Johnny was very religious

[@MrMaddog2004subscribe]

Thank you I fully respect your views. I very much enjoyed reading all of that and agree with you. I'm personally Buddhist, but I'd never have anything against someone else just because they believe in a different religion or even no religion at all.

[@anonymousjohnson976]

@@gregpettis1113 : Probably a closet atheist.

[@andreaboldbody]

Wow! What an enlightening conversation from her. It’s a pleasure to listen to her views & stance on freedom of religion. It’s crazy that decades later, we’re still fighting the good fight

[@brucecaldwell6701]

My maternal grandmother was a self employed public stenographer in Austin Texas who occasionally did work for Ms. O'hair. My grandmother was a pretty religious minded Southern Baptist. She couldn't afford to turn down the work & she liked her well enough despite their vastly different worldviews. I myself am also an atheist & always have been.

[@tooldog5062]

be happy she didnt pull your grandma away from her faith, 90% of the time atheist will try to, most churches today are occult based, pastors have forgotten that they are held in a stricter accountability then those around him, todays churches are ran by money hungry organizations, Christ warning to his shepherds is to beware of the wolves in sheep's clothing these wolves are the deacons/ elders/and those who pretend to pay the highest tithes' they are place by the denomination leaders their job is to dictate what sermons are aloud and what aren't their job is to say you bring in a certain cash quota or we replace you! the wolves in shepherds clothing are the prosperity wolfpack these wolves make merchandise of anyone gullible enough to reach in their wallet or write them a check! they tickle the ears for a price, so follow in granny's steps walk in Christ and you will see her again if her walk was in the real Christ

[@IronMike-f8i]

YOU ARE ✅️ RIGHT❤🎉

[@bjmajor]

I thought very badly of this woman while I was growing up. Of course she was presented to people like me as the devil incarnate. She actually was not only very articulate but makes a lot of her points most convincingly. She is so right to call most of the religious community "Hippocrates" and they have made her point for her in the sex scandals covered up by the various churches for so many decades. I feel very differently now, as an older adult, about people like her than I did while I was so impressionable and naive growing up. I'm still not at the point where I consider myself an atheist, but I certainly have tolerance and understanding I never had before about those who do call themselves atheists. And they're not the devil!

[@TheMidnightModder]

As a young, devout Christian I agree with you. I agree that she is surprisingly well spoken and that of course, she herself is not the devil, and even that many of my own who claim to be Christians are very hypocritical. I'm hypocritical sometimes and hypocrisy is definitely a sin. But it's very unwise to throw the baby out with the bathwater, e.g. throw God away because of the sinful humans who represent Him. But to this I say, Allow God to represent Himself through His word, the Bible! Not through sinful humans! God has made His morality very clear to the entire world through the Bible and throwing Him away simply because Christians, like every other human in the world, are sometimes hypocrites is extremely ignorant and frankly idiotic. I'll also add that our sin is the reason we need a savior in the first place! And when I come across anyone who claims to be "good enough" to be right with God I see little more than arrogance and pride. And that's what I see in Mrs. O'Hair. While she may not believe in Heaven or Hell, by denying God she is through her actions telling the world that "I'm good enough and I don't need God." No matter how wise she is the ways of this world she is spiritually nothing more than a fool. I genuinely hope that she believed in the Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ and repented before her death but probably not. The only shining light is that Now she knows the truth. But it's too late now and her sin has eternal consequences.

[@anonymousjohnson976]

@@TheMidnightModder : Also, O'Hair seems to be much more educated and smarter than you.

[@lindaclark9925]

@@anonymousjohnson976 not really. She was dull witted enough to start a fight against .....Almighty God; there's. that.

[@anonymousjohnson976]

@@lindaclark9925 : Linda, one cannot "start a fight" against something that does not exist.

[@lindaclark9925]

@@anonymousjohnson976 God totally exists ! Get with it

[@LisaSmith-ie7gq]

Ms. O’Hair was very intelligent. She was way ahead of her time.

[@dmrenterprizes4101]

Yes. I think that's partly why people hated her. I just learned about her. She is amazing.

[@JHEntertainment98]

@@dmrenterprizes4101 You have to understand the US was much more religious back in those days and religion was very important to most Americans back then. These days we aren’t as religious as we once were, even people that belong to religious groups aren’t as devout or practice as much as they did back then.

[@watchman4835]

She certainly was ignorant of this nation and its' Christian background, and the Christian faith.

[@blackdot3538]

In case anyone doesn't know, she was murdered many years ago.

[@qhop5726]

That's when she met, and finally believed in God.

[@tashee8772]

@@qhop5726 I hope she asked for forgiveness from God before she was killed.

[@qhop5726]

@@tashee8772 I do too, I sincerely do, but many times in a situation like her death there's no warning that death is upon you, so there's no time to pray. If she did, Jesus would have gladly forgiven her.

[@vampoftrance]

Maybe whoever murdered her should ask for forgiveness.

[@krisweaver7524]

Why didn't god help her? Which god? Why is yours correct?

[@AtamMardes]

"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." Voltaire

[@Broughton1128]

*NO ONE (then or now) did/does it like Carson, the undisputed KING of Late Night. This was such an interesting interview that ONLY Johnny Carson could pull off in 1972. Ms. O'Hair would go on to meet a tragic demise.*

[@Strangenstein]

And a tragic eternity.

[@bunnybismuth]

@@Strangenstein Your beliefs are a sickness.

[@xoxohonna]

@@bunnybismuth You'd never say such a dumb thing if you ever bothered to speak to Jesus. He answers.

[@makuntizichi6734]

@@bunnybismuth would you say that to a muslim? You wouldn't, but you'd never admit that. The derision of "organized religion" is only reserved for Christianity.

[@AhPhoey]

She was murdered by a fellow atheist. An angry one who loved gold coins. Loved them.

[@carolynmartin6562]

Interesting interview. Enjoyable. RIP Johnny Carson!

[@SusieVKaufman]

AND Mrs. O'Hair, her husband, and her dear granddaughter.

[@j50wells]

Amazing that when I was a kid, this woman was absolutely hated, but times have changed. She makes perfect sense now.

[@artistbrindle]

Carson had the best show. Period.

[@grandvianna8551]

An undeniable fact. So grateful for youtube since it allows me to watch at least some of what I was not able to see due to not existing at the time lol. They don't make em like they used to, that's for sure

[@kylekullin2520]

What about The FAN-MAN ?

[@marthazapata5621]

This was a woman ahead of her time.

[@ftjax]

Notice when introduced the audience did not applaud for Madelyn unlike for " Bully " Graham...

[@Anne--Marie]

It's sad, isn't it? She was doing the work of the informed.

[@theprodigalheel3942]

Probably because she is faqing boring! I do think it is interesting, she claims she never sent a profanity induced letter, and then defend the fact that she probably sent a profanity induced letter. 😂🤣😂🤣

[@90daysinvegas53]

​@@Anne--Marie She was doing the work of the misinformed.. she was doing the work of deceit.. By telling everyone there is no God she was doing the work of Satan.

[@glan7433]

Madalyn Murray O'Hair was a pioneer. She may not have been the smoothest spokesperson for the atheist movement but she was the one that was needed.

[@joycechafin4587]

Needed for what? Or who? The devil?

[@HarryNicNicholas]

@@joycechafin4587 needed to point out the utter stupidity of thinking there is a supernatural when clearly there isn't, and there isn't a scrap of evidence of anything supernatural. and these days the church has decided to drop "peace love and tolerance" to concentrate on politics and persecution. luckily the sum total effect of the church trying impose it's barbaric and immoral views on the rest of us has resulted in it';s decline, pew polls and gallup - the "nones" are second generation, they don't even know they are atheist cos god means nothing to them but bigotry. and satan has a better track record than god, you clearly read your bible with a bias.

[@jacquelinehaddon999]

A pioneer?? You call an foul mouthed atheist a pioneer. A narcissist more like it, only a fool will say there is no God. You cannot deny a creator. If you do you can’t be very intelligent. Read Psalm 2. God was laughing at her and since her death she has experience His hot displeasure. She is in hell for eternity. You can believe it or not.

[@williamdillard5060]

​@@joycechafin4587only a child or a fool would believe in a "devil". We are responsible for our own behavior.

[@brittanyk6651]

@@joycechafin4587Glan answered your query already, please exercise more effort when reading other people’s thoughts.

[@MissPerriwinkle]

she was a hoot, her speech at my college was wild....

[@cor-z8m]

Johnny owned his show free to say what he likes. So much fun!

[@makuntizichi6734]

I was waiting for George Carlin to come out and do his "seven words you can't say on tv" routine.

[@MikeCorbit]

She was easy on them compared to George

[@POCKET21923]

I thought she should given George Carlin, at least, some credit.

[@code-52]

🤣🤣🤣

[@classicmedia4347]

George's album Class Clown (which contained the 7 Words) was released on 9/29/1972 (and was recorded on 5/27/1972). Seeing this interview was on 10/12/1972 she probably didn't even know about George's take.

[@rondelby2482]

@@classicmedia4347 There are 2 things about George, either he is right or he is wrong and if he is wrong? I say no more because it is not me to judge anyone.

[@xtianhunter]

Thanks you M. for your service to mankind❤

[@tgd9477]

🤦🏾‍♀️

[@chrisfreeman9960]

Madalyn Murray O'Hair, her son, and another person who worked for her organization, came to a very bad end. You can Google her name, and get all the details. They weren't kidnapped by religious fanatics who resented her Supreme Court decision, but by someone who had been in her organization. But she really accomplished alot with the decision. Imagine you were a Jewish child growing up in a small Bible belt town, pre Supreme Court decision, in attendance at a public school. You'd be substantially ostracized by other students, as well as by the teacher, when she led the class with a Christian prayer at the start of the school day. This decision helped put an end to that. At the time of the decision, President Kennedy remarked that he hoped the decision would encourage more Americans to pray in their homes. How refreshing that a President would stay out of people's personal lives, and their religious choices.

[@anonymousjohnson976]

Chris: Your home are where you should pray, but why would one have to pray at all? Doesn't god already know your wants and needs?

[@ABALLAM3]

The other person was her 30 year old granddaughter. Watch Forensic Files Without a Prayer.

[@waldo1967]

Great interview/discussion. Don't agree with all her views, but I respect her views. Wonder if Madalyn Murray O'Hair ever met George Carlin? What an interesting conversation that would be.

[@wet-read]

That would be interesting. I would like her to have interacted with Frank Zappa or Christopher Hitchens more tho. Especially if they strongly disagreed on something.

[@tanithjackson8686]

From what I've heard about her Madalyn Murray O'Hair was a horrible woman, and NOT because she was an atheist. Among other things, she was a Holocaust denier. She was self serving, a lover of publicity, mercenary. Her son William Murray said this about her: "She was an evil person who led many to hell. That is hard for me to say about my own mother but it is true."

[@efandmk3382]

William Murray was a religious fanatic who had Mommy issues. You have to take anything he said with a grain of salt. Not a terribly credible fellow.

[@tanithjackson8686]

@@efandmk3382 I believe what he said about his mother being evil. I think she was.

[@jodyguilbeaux8225]

in the end we will all be judged..................and that is scary. like the old preachers use to say, that there is only 2 paths......which path do you choose ?

[@jdonat5769]

@@efandmk3382 If she had been your mother, you’d have mommy issues, too.

[@First1it1Giveth]

@@efandmk3382 What I've learned is that everyone in life has issues. No one in this world doesn't have a good bit of skeletons in the closet. I've also learned that there is no shortage of people on the internet that will assassinate the character of an individual in order to dismiss the testimonial statements of said individual. In the end, everyone denies and believes exactly what they want to deny and believe just to keep the skeletons hidden inside their closet.

[@figgiefigueroa7372]

This woman is amazingly intelligent and I don't see she is wrong. Worst masacres were done in the name of religion. I think she was right about separation of State and ⛪ church. I remember this ,and people make her a monster. When in reality she was right.

[@Wendy-Williams-NC]

She was well before her time! Its awesome to see she was free-thinking like this all those years ago. I wonder how many people agreed with her but just couldnt speak as freely!

[@suraii32]

everyone that's praising her murderer are sickening. it's really sad to go through this comment section. christianity is supposed to be about spreading love or whatever, but here, it's being used to spread evil. how can so many people think it's okay to celebrate murder just because the victim was outspoken about differing beliefs than their own?

[@AndresGarcia-hd2yf]

Before she did something wrong if it it’s the case forgiveness was upon her whole humanity. Period

[@bernierasmusson9257]

@@AndresGarcia-hd2yf Your comment was unintelligible.

[@naturalsincebirth2]

if she was outspoken about her own beliefs cool ! but dont inflict them upon those who want to uphold their faith ....be it 1 other person or the whole of america ....dont inflict them on us

[@bernierasmusson9257]

@@naturalsincebirth2 The tone -deafness of theists is amazing. You want to tell atheists to keep their views to themselves, while you try to inflict your religion on every possible aspect of our lives. I'll be glad to never speak of my views in your imaginary friend if you agree to not try to legislate my life according to your ancient superstitions.

[@DavidN16792]

Nobody here is praising her murderer, stop with the false narrative against Christians. I haven’t read a single comment happy about it, but I guess atheists love to spread misinformation and hate. Turn to Christ before it’s too late.

[@alisaalisa2060]

Looking at the comments I would say that nothing has changed since those times, she was a strong woman to be able to deal with all the hate.

[@curtisjarrell2312]

Johnny Carson was very intelligent!

[@kathrynburnham3983]

Loved him, miss him he made the world a better place

[@myrarembert247]

Dumb ,ignorant

[@CaneFu]

@Snarick Klash Johnny was intelligent enough to become world famous and loved by millions. He had a great influence on the culture of his time for 30 years and also had a net-worth of $300 MILLION. Since you're so smart why don't you list your accomplishments for us.

[@rokutv5855]

Talk about diversity. Johnny Carson has on Billy Graham one time and this lady at this time. And both times each guest is allowed to say what their beliefs are without the interviewer (Johnny) interrupting or attacking the guests. Very professional and classy.

[@peggyelchert8340]

Whether Madelyn Murray.or Billy Graham, it's true both spoke candidly of their beliefs. Johnny did not inject any disbelief or differences to either . And Johnny Carson answered to network bosses for any infractions or mistakes. He had bosses he answered to for any slights.

[@kimosabbe50]

@@peggyelchert8340 By the 70s I doubt he answered to any network "boss" as the Tonight Show was NBC's cash cow. They bent over backwards for him, knowing he wouldn't do anything to embarrass himself, let alone the network.

[@singergirlly]

I MISS JOHNNY SO MUCH! HE WAS DELIGHTFUL TO WATCH ❤

[@ChrisHansonCanada]

She had an unfortunate and horrific ending to her life, strangled to death in a hotel room with her son and granddaughter, and buried in the desert. I think she was one of the most courageous women of the 20th century. Taking a stand and speaking your mind is a true mark of courage.

[@edp3202]

Really? Holy hell.

[@jolenaagapisou3803]

A fitting end to a very evil person, then she had to face God! Welcome home, Satan boomed, with a smile

[@twonumber22]

@@jolenaagapisou3803 You're despicable.

[@Birdmacher]

@@jolenaagapisou3803 What a disgusting thing for you to say about a person's horrific murder.

[@kenmario6284]

This woman was ahead of her time, but she clearly wasn’t interested in having a conversation.

[@keriioppolo6036]

You are so great I wish you were still alive Rip.

[@louisthompson1020]

I’ve never heard of this brilliant woman before tonight….

[@Itiituy655]

lol!!!!! Ok

[@tgd9477]

Brilliant has a new meaning 😂😂

[@jerryosullivan4166]

She is no more an atheist , for she now believes

[@tgd9477]

@@jerryosullivan4166 Amen!!...EVERY knee shall bow and confess that JESUS IS LORD. ✝️. You'll either do it in life...or when you stand before Him. I suggest we all do it in life ...get to know Christ He's so Good to know.♥️

[@arod5002]

@@tgd9477Amen! Such a powerful verse.

[@vincegrey8718]

I am all for freedom. Free to believe or not. I understand atheists don't want the church to tell them what to do or think. The separation of church and state means our government is not the church authority. As far as religious community goes ...anyone who joins or belongs to a given religion chooses or grows up with that faith should follow their leaders and community as they can. In this country anyone can choose to stay or leave their faith community. What I have trouble with is the hate on every side for each other. Our laws provide for freedom as long as one does not infringe on another's rights. Having said that much has changed in this country in over 200 years. I also believe schools nor any other entity should force the participation or require the individual to profess what they do not believe or otherwise indoctrinate the individual. And that said on the other hand there is no respect anymore for people with differing views.

[@trini4204]

She was ahead of her time

[@freddylubin]

A "discussion" between a believer and a non-believer usually takes place on an uneven playing field. As a non-believer (even as a child it never made any sense to me) I have no problem with people who believe (as long as they don't impose upon me). I don't call them names, don't claim that they can not possibly be good and moral people, and don't tell them that they will suffer for eternity for their beliefs. On the other hand, many - not all - believers tell me (and we all know this conversation), that I'll be damned for eternity, that I'm immoral, and, as someone in this thread, that I'm stupid for not believing. I remember as a child, trying to understand the adult world, and seeing all kinds of religions around me (I grew up in a neighborhood with fellow Jews, Catholics, and some others), around the world, and throughout history. I wanted to understand the logic of it. I saw three possibilities. One, that of all the religions I happened to luck out in being born into the "correct" one. That seemed unlikely, as everyone else thought the same thing. Two, all are correct. That's impssible, in that they all contradict each other, in many fundamental ways. Three: all are wrong. THAT seemed to be the only logical answer.

[@mystarmach]

It was refreshing to see this conversation between Johnny and Madalyn. I just wanted to touch on something you said - it could be that all the religions are 'correct', but in a general sense, not specifics. I used to be an devout believer, then an adamant non-believer, and now I'm somewhere in the middle. I now think there's some central phenomenon that all these human-made systems have gradually formed around, whether that phenomenon is supernatural or not is another question - I think it might be psychological or 'psychocultural'. But there's definitely something powerful and structural and ancient and emotional at the centre of all the world's big religions. If you strip away all the 'noise' of what they say and outlaw and allow and mandate, there is that thread running through them all. Just my 2 cents. What do you think?

[@JohnnyBeeDawg]

Read the Gospel of John. King James Version.

[@freddylubin]

@@JohnnyBeeDawg I'm not into fantasy literature.

[@JohnnyBeeDawg]

@@freddylubin Reading John would be the beginning to help you understand the world, and satisfy the cravings of your conscience. 2 Timothy 3:16..."All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

[@chikkipop]

@@JohnnyBeeDawg You're indoctrinated. You quote an old book. In fact, it helps you NOT understand the world.

[@petermetcalfe6722]

Boy do we atheists need someone like her in the world today. She was amazing.

[@anarchistatheist1917]

Rest in peace Madalyn Murray O'Hair. You will never be forgotten. You were such an inspirational woman.

[@menirosales5465]

Hahahahahaha Rest in peace now they believe in religion..so hippocrates

[@ksewell2022]

Jesus loves you

[@samanthab6642]

@@menirosales5465 youre not kind....hippocrate lol

[@jeffreyjames2674]

In pieces I think you mean

[@lilagreen284]

I can pretty much guarantee that she is NOT resting let alone in peace. I can’t imagine the hell she is enduring since her death. Thank Jesus I won’t have to. 🤦‍♀️

[@lindamahrer1760]

Read about her death...read about her Christian son it is an eye opener...

[@texasgina]

Oh yes!!!!! Crazy story

[@puffenpufferfish8539]

im the great grandson lmao

[@jasmineklos5178]

even her son knew it's time to get right with God. it's a shame she didn't have her son's mindset

[@laurieburnside5300]

​@jasmineklos5178, her eldest son had a severe substance abuse problem and, like many who try to get clean, found the crutch of religion to replace the crutch of drugs. No judgement for him, it works for many, but atheists don't need either crutch. When an atheist is a good and moral person, it is because they have thought through and internalized morality. They perform kind and moral acts without fear of spiritual retribution, nor with the promise of the favor of heaven. Doing the right thing because it is right in the moment. That is at least as powerful as doing what's right because your deity tells you to.

[@thomasmartinez690]

FREEDOM OF SPEECH!

[@christopherstarr8050]

for who , ? just lefties

[@stormbringercoming8105]

Free speech for the dumb!

[@chikkipop]

@@christopherstarr8050 There are many conservative atheists.

[@marilynanthony4727]

she's right about many atheistic college professors...that's why this world is so screwed up today.

[@chikkipop]

*"she's right about many atheistic college professors...that's why this world is so screwed up today."* Nonsense. There are far more believers in superstition than people sharp enough to reject them. The world's problems would be reduced if people would grow out of their need for magical invisible father figures. It's easy to blame others for all that's wrong in the world. Much harder to see that YOU are part of the problem.

[@marilynanthony4727]

@@chikkipop shaddup

[@chikkipop]

@@marilynanthony4727 Ignoramus.

[@tgstudio85]

@@marilynanthony4727 try to silence me loser;)

[@gavinbrando8255]

Certain Christians in the comments rejoicing in her murder basically proves her point

[@efandmk3382]

Well said.

[@doneisiadavis3001]

I agree with you!

[@thommysides4616]

No one is rejoicing, unless they're sick! Facts are facts, and if you don't have Christ in your heart at death then you go to hell forever. We feel sorry she lived such a vain life and had a tragic death, but the real saddness is.... she's now lost forever and will never see light again. Jesus died on a cross to save us all, but many like her.....reject that. That's the sad truth. But you sir, still have life and can turn to God. Your in our prayers.... Here is a song I wrote and produced for the lockdown. Hope it brings you some measure of peace. Bless you bro.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJ3OqoOvYtGdm7c

[@saraharmstrong4395]

@@thommysides4616 bruh the fact that people believe in a higher being that you are literally saying THREATENS YOU saying you will go to hell if.... 😂 Like can we just not disrespect each others religions and just be respectful. She was woke asf, literally people like you make me so mad, a family died because they didnt believe in a higher being that nobody has any proof of like stfu 😂🤷‍♀️

[@thommysides4616]

@@saraharmstrong4395 "A family died because they didn't believe in a higher being?" Lol.... you kill me....really? You should be on the Ed Sullivan show ha ha..... I know....wrong era....too bad! I never said that! People like you make me soooooo MAD!!!! They died basically because she hired the nutjob in the first place! Had she used a bit more wisdom in who she hired....this would not have happened. Quite blaming God for everything!!! Mankinds first father and mother..... Adam and Eve sinned in the garden and we are now paying for it.... by living out our lives in this dark world, but people like me are sent to people like you.....to try and bring some small measure of light your way, so you will be able to see and understand your need for salvation and for Christ, but most.... like yourself never bother to accept God's Son as their own. Instead they waste their lives and their time blamng others and even him....for the mess down here on earth.....which we have done a fine job at creating - I might add! Sarah..... you've got a wonderful name my dear. I suggest you start your spiritual journey by learning more about this name and who the lady was in the bible that had it. She was a wonderful woman of faith. I pray.....that you will be also. God bless...... I hope I meet you in glory one day. If I don't.....I'm sure you'll be meeting Madalyn.....

[@humongousfungusamongus3871]

She was a despot when it came down to her own blood! She made sure that they followed her throughout life & even to their early grave! Yes, she was intelligent but she ruined lives...especially the lives of her own flesh & blood. Her children/grandchildren had NO lives for themselves! How selfish does one need to be?! Her God was money. She used Atheism to obtain money...nothing more, nothing less.

[@KenGullette]

I interviewed Madalyn about six years after this. She changed my description of myself after I asked how she defined an "agnostic." She said, "An agnostic is someone who, for family reasons or societal reasons, cannot admit that they are, in fact, atheists." Her words hit me like a hammer and from that day on, I admitted I was an atheist.

[@izregistered]

I hope you’re not serious. That’s an absolutely ridiculous definition of agnosticism.

[@KenGullette]

@@izregistered It worked for me.

[@user-bj2lu9qt3o]

Interesting! What was your impression of her? Did you watch the movie "americas most hated woman" about her? She seems so different here. Not aggressive at all.

[@KenGullette]

@@user-bj2lu9qt3o I was a bit surprised by her appearance. She was in a frumpy "summer" dress that made her appear like a neighbor of Ma and Pa Kettle. She was polite enough and knew the issues. I think she probably was tired of talking with young radio reporters who didn't know a lot about her beyond what they had read in the media or, in my case, heard from my minister, who described her as "Satan on two legs roaming the Earth." At the time, I asked her what she thought about movies such as "Heaven Can Wait," which was a popular Warren Beatty movie at the time. She said she wouldn't see it because it perpetuates the idea of religious fantasy. I thought that was a bit extreme (I've seen that movie a few times and love it, even though I'm an atheist). So I had mixed feelings about her, but look at this 1972 interview. We were not accustomed to having such strong-minded women on national talk show. She was highly intelligent. And I am grateful for the role she played in the evolution of my own spiritual beliefs.

[@eloisecole3579]

I LOVE THIS WOMAN

[@dilwich]

What a strange twist in the last days of Madalyn and how it proves you are in more danger from the people you know . . .

[@pronemanoldbutyoung5548]

Ofc, that's the case in some 90% of all cases

[@deanmccoy6629]

Yep. She was found in a 55 gallon drum right?

[@donnahenson612]

Dean she was buried in a shallow grave with her family. Greed money.

[@donnahenson612]

Greed money

[@AhPhoey]

@@donnahenson612 Why are graves dug by criminals always shallow? Laziness

[@jacobocaj5778]

Man now days you try and get speaker like her to talk at university the snowflakes will burn the campus down because it hurts their feelings.

[@lifeexpectancy1517]

First off the so called snowflakes are not religious they are the liberals and they welcome it

[@childless-catlady8255]

This woman spoke the TRUTH! Very brave and way before her time! ♥

[@Laughy-Flaaffy]

She’s in hell, have fun joining her 👼

[@Aurora666_yt]

​@@Laughy-Flaaffy So is Bob Marley, Michael Jackson, Brian Jones, Janis Joplin, Stephen Hawking, Albert Einstein. I can't wait to join them, it's gonna be so awesome!

[@northernbrother1258]

In case you don't know... O'Hair and her son and grand daughter were kidnapped and murdered by a former employee. 😕

[@missmoneypenny3829]

I've never heard any clips of her previously. This was quite interesting. Thanks for posting.

[@troynov1965]

I grew up in the same city she lived in. Had to hear her all the time, NO ONE in Austin liked her. She was loud , obnixous and cussed like a drunken sailor. She would cause crap at the city council meetings all the time, It got her arrested a few times lol.

[@suzanneflowers2230]

She was on the Phil Donahue show. A very interesting interview.

[@kenmario6284]

Today she wouldn’t be given a forum like this to speak her mind. Not because she was an atheist, which is rightfully accepted now. However her status as a devoted Holocaust-denier would have her living in disgrace.

[@missmoneypenny3829]

@@suzanneflowers2230 I didn't know that. I'll look it up. Thanks.

[@missmoneypenny3829]

@@kenmario6284 I had no idea about this. Thanks for the information. I will check it out.

[@manouchehrjavidan5011]

She is absolutely right. Billy Graham was the devil himself. As his physician he once told me (for an answer to my question which was ,why are you so rich?),he said" with 250 million dumb people in America, why shouldn't I be". God and church and mosque,and others were maid by Persian empire along with Egyptian Empire and they are all manmade.

[@lostfan5054]

Madelyn was so strong.

[@MEME-ic4gr]

I have always enjoyed Mr Carson style of interviewing and realize today he was a great master of his craft with humor!

[@arriuscalpurniuspiso]

He was an exceptional talent. He knew how to speak and listen equally well. And then he came up with one liners on the spot.

[@MEME-ic4gr]

@@arriuscalpurniuspiso I really miss him So much talent not any night show or day show have!

[@arriuscalpurniuspiso]

@@MEME-ic4gr I would stay up late when very young to watch him every night. It just seemed he had the coolest job in the world and he loved doing it.

[@showmebear]

Such a smart, enlightened lady.....so thankful for her pioneering efforts.

[@joshrobertson8189]

Such an evil and much hated lady. May God have mercy on her soul!

[@fredbohm4728]

@@joshrobertson8189 god is a fairy tale.

[@Sus-mf3sq]

@@fredbohm4728 Just like your dad

[@anonymousjohnson976]

@@joshrobertson8189 : Prove you have a "soul."

[@fredbohm4728]

@@Sus-mf3sq My existence proves otherwise. Try again.

[@Prancer0210]

This woman knew the Bible better than most Christians.

[@christopherstarr8050]

you interviewed most Christians ?

[@Alacritous]

@@christopherstarr8050 Most Christians have never read the Bible. If they did, there'd be more Atheists.

[@DavidN16792]

You’ve read the whole Bible and interviewed most Christians?? 😮😮😳😳

[@DavidN16792]

@@Alacritousfalse, there you go again with your athiest propaganda. Athiesm is a no no!

[@or2ak]

All atheist know the bible better than all Christians.

[@sickofthestupid1067]

And the iconic George Carlin fought for those words in court .......and won.

[@MCV-xg7kc]

True, but So many people use the word so frequently it is absurd. There are many descriptive words

[@williamgullett5911]

I'm concerned for George Carlin

[@punchline43]

@@williamgullett5911 Well he's been dead for 13 years, so.

[@williamgullett5911]

@@punchline43 thats why I'm concerned. What he is going through now

[@punchline43]

@@williamgullett5911 Oh ok then. We seem to have a slightly different take on reality and I can respect that.

[@julianhermanubis6800]

I respect how Johnny Carson would allow controversial guests, like O'Hair and Ayn Rand, to speak for themselves without interrupting them or editorializing, which is exactly what a modern host would do if someone didn't match their own beliefs (although that modern guest would more likely be a conservative than a leftist atheist or Objectivist). And that is why most modern late-night hosts are rubbish. Except Conan O'Brien, but he has retired at least for now.

[@eddiecordero380]

Great interview. The Netflix movie about her life was very good

[@galepatrick1702]

nobody like Johnny Carson - he was the absolute best and years later remains so-

[@txbill2512]

If you'd like to learn more about O'Hair, read the book by her son, William Murray, called "My life without God." Very insightful.

[@AhPhoey]

Her son got strangled though? That's called "My life without breath".

[@christopherstarr8050]

@@AhPhoey that was the other son

[@lindaclark9925]

@@christopherstarr8050 oh i see. WHAT ABOUT HER DEATH THEN 😂

[@briancordova1299]

The book could have been best referred to as a Christian "Mommy Dearest". When I did read it years ago, it was clear to me that he only continued her form of extremism through a Christian form.

[@matthewlopez8521]

He (William Murray), was a believer in the Lord Jesus. I love you all and so does Jesus.

[@peterbadgely]

People were much more intelligent then. No matter ones’ position, this interview is intelligent.

[@jackswanson8326]

*one’s

[@peterbadgely]

One’s an idiot, pal.

[@Keezie27]

I agree. More intelligent and well read (The two go hand in hand).

[@robbiemckenzie7822]

I'm a Christian and I always wanted to meet her. Nope, she knew about God I wouldn't preach to her. I for one am thankful she had prayer removed from school. I'm a Southern Baptist and I wouldnt want a Mormon, Muslim, or Satanist leading my child in morning prayer and scripture reading. And neither would a Satanist, Mormon or Muslim wouldn't want me to lead their child in morning prayer. No, I do not dislike people different from me but my point is if you allow The Bible in then you will have to allow all of the other faiths

[@markhaunert5029]

Critical thinking 👍

[@longstreet2740]

Her son William Murray, became a Believer in Jesus Christ in early 1980s

[@efandmk3382]

Actually, he became a fanatic in his forties.

[@TitoTimTravels]

Just goes to show, even if you raise them right... some still lose their minds. 😎

[@carolinemcallister1473]

I love that! She disowned him, while he tried to have a relationship with her.

[@ryanspangler4569]

So what?

[@ryohn5468]

Jesus never existed.

[@joykind4258]

I knew her son. He did not speak favorably about his mother. He was raised an atheist, but became a preacher. During this interview she starts out charming, but by the end, her true personality comes out.

[@AhPhoey]

Knew him? Like in the biblical sense??

[@vwtch]

I knew her other son, Jon. He was a guest in my restaurant in Syracuse, I appeared on TV with him and he admired his mother.

[@Imnotyourmamaluke]

@@vwtch Are you Jewish?

[@deborah3912]

Hate seemed to ooze from her pores....very sad.

[@TitoTimTravels]

@@deborah3912 I have never seen anything hateful from her - only hate directed towards her from 'christians'.

[@juancarlosdavila6591]

RIP Johnny.

[@carlosdyer5868]

Aramaic Bible in Plain English And when they thought in themselves that they were wise, they became insane.

[@watchgoose]

she was sane, just made the wrong *choice* .

[@ronnieb1837]

@@watchgoose Carlos Dyer wasn't referencing Madalyn Murray...

[@voltaire3001]

KENNETH COPELAND

[@bookitty6378]

@The Barefoot Kid Nah. She was in control of her mind rather than follow any reprobate religion or spirit of corruption.

[@bookitty6378]

@@watchgoose Thow shall not judge, right? Did her choice effect your life? Then who are you to say her choice is wrong?

[@JW-uy2on]

It is wild to me as an American in 2022 that this woman won a Supreme Court case.

[@eyemnew2991]

It's too bad that her and her granddaughter and other son were murdered. They were atheists even in death. That's not a good thing

[@DavidN16792]

Very rare L from the Supreme Court, Christianity needs to be the biggest priority out there!

[@gwarlow]

@@eyemnew2991 I guess their murders would have been better had they been Christians? From your point of view anyway.

[@marcomastenbroek3307]

All the hateful comments here from supposedly "loving" and "decent" Christians are truly disgusting and saddening...

[@IronMike-f8i]

SHE WAS WAY AHEAD OF HER TIME.. SHE FREED ME FROM THE SHAKLES OF RELIGION.

[@elijoi]

She was way ahead of her time.

[@andreaberryman5354]

She was a foul and miserable individual. She was tired of being poor, and just made a stink to make money. She caused the downfall. Prayer kept us in line.

[@JuanGarcia-mo6vy]

@@andreaberryman5354what caused her “downfall” was hiring & firing one of her employees who was caught stealing $50,000 and had a terrible record and sought out to take revenge

[@thomasd9237]

Damn, I love this woman. We sure could use her today to help remove the insanity on Capitol Hill

[@brianwalsh1401]

Are you a maga member. She would fit right in and have no problem saying she believed in god now so she could be elected. She'd is like MTG and Boebert but a lot smarter. She's a sociopath but I give her credit for getting prayer out of public schools and calling out the stupidity of the Catholic church.

[@thomasd9237]

@@brianwalsh1401 no. I hate politicians & despise lawyers. I doubt she would say she believed in any form of religion. But she might be able to give us ideas on how to get the religious insanity out of our government.

[@brianwalsh1401]

@@thomasd9237 You give yourself a thumbs up? Unfortunately politics has a lot of narcissists and sociopaths who want the power. Trump's a good example. He is no way shape or form a religious person but will pretend in order to get elected. He is a malignant narcissist. They're in both parties but the republicans have embraced the nastier of them. They have no deep ideology except themselves. Ohair is a great speaker on the topic of atheism and I agree with her stance on religion but she is a sociopath who was killed because she dissed another sociopath.

[@DavidN16792]

Jesus is king tho

[@thomasd9237]

@@DavidN16792 lol. Not mine.

[@avdad2000]

She’s not an atheist anymore.

[@danielgraham3698]

Mary here. Oh really how do you know...

[@quacks2much]

If I’m right and there is no life after death, she is totally black without consciousness of her blackness and thus an ultimate atheist. Atheism, by definition, is merely a lack of belief in a god. If the mind is totally blank after death she lacks a belief in a god. The only difference in regard to O’hair and me at this very moment in regard to atheism, is I consciously realize I lack a belief in a god but she knows nothing at all. Even the Bible says “the dead know nothing at all.”

[@marilynanthony4727]

@@danielgraham3698 because millions of people had near death experiences and have proven there is not only a God but there is an afterlife.

[@kristiemeneker445]

No she is not.

[@bookitty6378]

@@marilynanthony4727 A near-death or life after death experience has never brought genuine proof of a god or afterlife. These are experiences that can be explained as hallucinations, conjectures or simply an attempt to profit. There is however millions of reports of people who had near death experiences and have proven there is a Devil & hell. See how silly that sounds.

[@tammimccormick7300]

I spoke with her just months before she was murdered. Very argumentative lady.

[@jaeboogie2786]

I bet she was. SMH

[@IronMike-f8i]

She was 👏 Amazing.the BEST

[@davidsargent8374]

Her defense of 4 letter words is childish with adult vernacular. She wants to use obscenities to look intelligent.

[@jolenaagapisou3803]

Only someone who is NOT intelligent, resorts to filthy words

[@Alacritous]

@@jolenaagapisou3803 Exactly the opposite. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZDSpISsoMqBiK8

[@ryanspangler4569]

Filthy word? There are only words

[@dianamaria5784]

Amazing lady!!! So articulate, logical and well informed. No wonder she is was an atheist. I just watched her movie on Netflix. "The most hated woman in America". She was ahead of her time.

[@CarnivoreNana]

And she was murdered.

[@what9009]

I love her!

[@Josephv3848]

She’s right. Why do these words have a charge put on them by “the church”?

[@prowlie]

A true American hero..Would love to have seen her and George Carlin interview

[@cathytrujillo6842]

My mother told me she did a lot of damage to public schools

[@TitoTimTravels]

@Cathy Trujillo Your mother was wrong.

[@WizardOrangeScorpion]

Very smart and careful women, Articulate and aware full with charisma and honesty. Hard to find nowadays.

[@brianwalsh1401]

Not really. Narcissists and sociopaths are at least 10% of the population so they are everywhere and hide in plain sight. These people are usually charismatic and are all con artist. She found a great con in getting rid of prayer in public school and made a lot of money from it. So she did a good thing for her own interests. She could also be very unpleasant.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

@@brianwalsh1401 you sound like one yourself.

[@stephendise7946]

Bullshit. She was unalived by her sordid associates, mirroring a sordid life.

[@eugenedelacroix5792]

Just saw the biopic about Madalyn. Sure, she was spoiled by the money and she became greedy, but beside that fact: that woman was brilliant, very intelligent and had balls. She stood for the right things and to see someone like that end up murdered and witnessing her granddaughter and her son being murdered as well, this is just something no one should experience. Was really sad to learn how it all ended...and the murder had nothing to do with her beliefs and activity as an atheist, she was murdered for money and for a crime plan gone wrong ... so stupid, so unnecessary.

[@eyemnew2991]

Dying an atheist is not a good thing.

[@chancepryor]

She was murdered for revenge for writing an article about the man that eventually murdered her. The money was just a bonus.

[@kylemoore7746]

Dying is typically not a good thing for anyone. Doesn't matter your belief system as long as you're comfortable with it. Someone reaching the end of their life who accepts it and isn't in pain is about as ideal as it gets.

[@connievino4226]

She lived to love money and died because she loved money more than anything. She must have been miserable out of the spotlight. Sad.

[@harold3032]

She had a right to believe what she wanted she did not deserved to be murdered

[@michelletannerkimball]

Her son is a born again Christian . ❤❤❤

[@dr.hotpants3035]

She was considered infamous by some because she didn’t have imaginary friends as an adult.

[@johndalton3180]

Style, flair, intelligence and consistency. Love her.

[@jaygarraway3010]

Her son is a devout, born again Christian!

[@efandmk3382]

He's a whack job with Mommy issues. Or he WAS. I don't know if he's still alive or not, but if he is he'd be very old.

[@n2dabloo]

That’s sad 😞

[@officermaggot6557]

Her son became a devout follower because he was victimized beaten and abused by Catholics too the point where he broke and began too sympathize with his victimizers. He also was paid a lot of money by evangelical preachers too travel around America and talk to these congregations about how supposedly dangerous atheism is. So he was both psychologically damaged by those Christ followers and he had a money based insensitive too become a Christian.

[@Transcocktailbar]

Well, to error is human. Lol

[@DavidN16792]

@@n2dabloonot as sad as this ratio 🤡

[@absolutelydisgusted3319]

And here we see the beginnings of one of those, “slippery slopes.” She opened the the door to a lot of garbage we could really do without today.

[@kenmcnutt2]

Such as?

[@chikkipop]

I don't suppose you'd care to elaborate and get a bit of pushback, would you? Let's see what this "garbage we could do without" is.

[@kenmcnutt2]

The garbage we can do without is religion.

[@mmjhcb]

@@kenmcnutt2 Yes, we need so many more models like Madalyn.

[@erikbunty2016]

Let's see, nah forget it. This whole world is garbage.

[@focusedeye]

Great interview!

[@edp3202]

Are you a writer?

[@focusedeye]

@@edp3202 Nope. Are you?

[@edp3202]

@@focusedeye unpublished, but yes. I thought I came across your name before as an author.

[@focusedeye]

@@edp3202 No, I'm not this Tim Chisholm uk.linkedin.com/in/timchisholmrealestate or this one: www.raptorsrepublic.com/author/timp/ or this one: www.stage32.com/profile/63701/about Thouigh I have been known to be a bit of a wordsmith by my close friends. LOL!

[@edp3202]

@@focusedeye good for you. What close friends think matters most. 😉

[@StevenSvN7]

Imagine a debate between Madalyn Murray and Shirley Phelps lol. Both women on the opposite spectrum fighting to defend their views. That'd be wild and interesting to watch.

[@donttrip4410]

The movie didn't do her justice. She's smarter than the movie made her look

[@jameslomenzo1139]

Why would they waste a movie on her.

[@amycurtiss9770]

Fascinating that she knew scripture better than most Americans today, and was willing to quote it to support her ideas. Can you imagine someone looking like her, a beautiful “average” woman, on ANY television show today?

[@danielmoore8538]

The devil knows scripture

[@Anne--Marie]

You will find that the atheist KZbinrs are quite well versed in the bible. Many of them were heavily indoctrinated as children.

[@ak22gml85]

@@Anne--Marie the greatest indoctrinator historically is and always has been religion. The irony is that all religious people fail to recognise that the only reason they are christian or Jewish or Hindu etc is by accident of birth and the fickle determination of any particular past authoritarian ruler who imposed it upon the population under their domination. Weak people fall in line under threat and punishment. The modern version of that being hostility, ridicule, judgement, exclusion, shaming.

[@dylanflyyn9693]

@@danielmoore8538the devil isn’t real tho

[@YankeeDoodle2]

​@@dylanflyyn9693 Oh he is