Johns/Johns vs Tardio/Daescu at the Carvana Mesa Arizona Open

[@gabewoh20]

Wouldn’t be a PPA match without audio/video issues. Crazy game for tardio

[@Squaredot01]

Well played. I don't think anyone (including myself) expected these guys to take down the Johns. Tardio and Andrea are so underrated.

[@notnotnownow9622]

Why not? It's a proof that Johns style with taking 70% of the court is not the best option in the world.

[@CareyFan]

@@notnotnownow9622 a sample size of one game is NOT proof.

[@Squaredot01]

@@notnotnownow9622 You know the Johns win most of the mens doubles gold medals right?

[@notnotnownow9622]

@@Squaredot01 As I said, that's because there is not a lot of money in this sport and people prefer to play tennis. I let's talk in 3 years and see how it's going for them.

[@andrewtirado1778]

In the interview after the match, Tardio only sounded excited when contrasted with JW Johnson. Excellent play, fellas!

[@CareyFan]

The Johns brothers will be back and continue to win gold medals. They just didn't have it today, as evidenced by Ben's excruciatingly slow start. Give credit to Tardio and Daescu. They played a brilliant game. They were unafraid of the moment and stayed consistent with their own game plan. The Johns don't have problem with speed. They've shown that they can adapt to ANY style. It boils down to which team can impose their will and execute with fewer mistakes. And today, it was Tardio and Daescu.

[@BookValue2018]

Disagree somewhat with this assessment: 1) When the Johns do lose - they lose to speed. This is the proper way to play them. Ignatowich and Loong almost took them out in a best of 5 this way. 2) Even Ben Johns himself disagrees with your "fewer mistakes" comment. Ben Johns thinks in terms of won and lost points...like a +/- system. Tardio and Daescu were smart on their speed ups but opted for aggression. They sailed some attacks and got balls smashed in their chests...but they kept going for it. 3) While the Johns will continue to be dominant - the game plan is out there on how to beat them: Keep almost all balls to Ben. Collin is too hard to attack. Dink with Collin and then speed up at Ben. The game is speeding up so much - and Ben can't cover the amount of court he is used to covering.

[@notnotnownow9622]

Is it soo hard to accept Johns are not the best or their tactic with Ben taking 70% of the court might just be wrong?

[@CareyFan]

@@notnotnownow9622 if they are not the best, then who is? The Johns ARE the best. They've proven it. And nobody has really proven that Ben taking 70% of the court is the wrong approach. They win with that approach consistently. Other teams are figuring a few things out. But in order to beat them, you have to play nearly perfectly and the Johns need to be having an off day. Losing once in a while does not prove that they are no longer the best. No, they're not indestructible. But they are still the best. And there's no other team that has the track record they have. It's really not close.

[@notnotnownow9622]

@@CareyFan They were the first and had the advantage that pickleball is not very popular at young ages and there is no money so not a lot of good athletes are getting in. But slowly you see more and more better players coming in, like Jack Sock. But in the same time you will have fans of different athletes who will never want to admit that athlete is not the best in the world. Ben's approach of taking 70% or the court is bad and people don't want to admit it. When you play on the right side and the partner is pushing you and coming over the middle again and again take from your reaction time and mindset cause you are not free to judge the game and move, now you have to see how your partner is playing and what is he trying to do and to adjust to that. Why don't you put Ben Johns on the right side, push him further right and then show me how is he the best on the court? Oh, make no mistake - tennis and pickleball are completely different than team sports, where everybody starts each season from zero - here once that you are up it's easier to remain on top.

[@esterlingo9664]

Tardio was just right in Ben's chest the whole match. They had them off balance the whole time. Wow!!!!!

[@BWells5152]

Daescu is rock solid and has a huge wing span. Tardio has shown big talent in the past but not the consistency. He's starting to mentally and physically mature and if he can keep putting together consistent performances like this one he could be one of the best.

[@jah.5.]

The Johns bros need to pick up their speed of play, they have always been calm, collected, patient and technical, but when the game speeds up, they don't react well. The speed and athleticism from Tardio and Daescu are what got them the win, with some great technique and skill of course.

[@TooHonestButtTrue]

They literally win everything so a down week is to be expected they aren’t robots. I doubt they’ll change things too much. They stick to their style religiously.

[@bicyclethief]

Nah they have no problem with fast games. No team was more aggressive and played faster than Matt Wright and Riley Newman were-- and the Johns essentially broke them. They do have a problem being slow out of the gates, which I think is exacerbated by the progressive draw: they don't get some qualifiers to warmup on. Instead they get killers in their first match and sometimes 2 out of 3 games isn't enough time to acclimate to the intensity and level.

[@BookValue2018]

@ethief Riley and Wright's winning combo was Matt driving and Riley crashing. They defeated them by keeping all returns to Riley. That was the simple fix. And - I have a comment above - but when the Johns do lose, they lose to speed. Nobody out-dinks them or "out-consistents" them. But when teams get hot and attack, they can win. The key is being able to have a solid enough dinker on the left side (check for Daescu) and a dynamic attacker on the right (check for Tardio). Same thing we've seen when Jorja/JW beat Ben and ALW. And when Young beat the Johns.

[@marielandry8929]

Great announcers !

[@TonyFieldson]

BJ didn’t even paddle tap with Tardio after game 1 what a baby

[@THEspindoctor84]

Good commenting, much different than what I usually hear on the singles games which I usually watch

[@Max-kj1xb]

Awesome to watch, it's just not fun to know who's going to win every time. Gotta be good for the sport and the fans watching. Hope to see good sports win or lose. Now ALW needs some competition

[@TulioHuerta1_Venezuela]

Let’s gooooo Tardioooooo 🎉🎉🎉

[@ztuffaha]

This was probably the worst games the John’s brothers career. Tough luck.

[@pickleballaddict22]

What about how well Tardio/Daescu played? Or just ignoring that?

[@greenbox00000]

They played poorly in large part because of Tardio and Daescu's pressure and countering. You could sense Ben's mounting frustration in not getting anything by Tardio.

[@htekdev]

The other team did very well. The hand speed, shot selection (Ben's backside, and Colin's for hand, and the deceptive attacks

[@nchambers007]

I've seen them play worse in tons of early rounds but against worse players. They tend to warm up slowly the first couple matches. Slow warm ups won't work in this new format when you don't focus on a single event per day.

[@Monie0827]

Congratulations 🎉

[@kkistbh824]

Add this to the 5 videos of John’s loosing

[@toddmathis7484]

Great job. It's about time the Johns boys had a big piece of humble pie.

[@sweetfancymoses2942]

Thanks for not showing any replays of the foot fault overturned...who wants to see that? 🙄

[@theakountant907]

Always fun to see an upset.

[@bethechange4726]

Congrats, ya

[@ericlandau9660]

Ben has to add the scorpion defense to his game

[@fishy7381]

Please PPA tell all the announcers on both courts to stop telling us what's going on on the other court. I like to watch all the games as you release them and it's more enjoyable not knowing the outcome before I watch. It seems like every announcer goes" would you believe so and so just got upset on championship court". It's so frustrating. At the very least they can say"spoiler alert" before they do it so we can skip that part. Please fix this

[@createahora]

Love watching the Dethrone! 🙌🏽

[@nickellison8586]

Friday smelling salt 🧂 😂❤

[@phyllisrosen7637]

John’s brothers just got outplayed! About time!

[@5.0_backdraw]

That bag tho 🙌

[@nansp853]

Many are close to beating the brothers, but they lack the mental edge, these two played different, just a confident game.

[@khgriffi]

ben seems off a little this weekend. he seemed off in the match with waters, de la rosa, and emmrich. but what do you expect? cant be perfect every weekend. lot of new talent coming into the sport too

[@Daniel-ox2zr]

When is Ben going to replace Collen

[@1973superdad]

Colin played great, Ben was off, cant be on every time every tournament. Tardio was great. Congrats to them

[@johngreen3587]

Colin didn’t play great either he missed multiple returns

[@DevPatel-dr2ph]

Can someone explain please when they server why are the switching right after it. Why they not stay at the same place on 3:08 3:38?

[@mythic4head166]

It's called stacking. You still have to receive from the side of the court that you are on but they are switching to their preferred side after returning the ball. In this instance Tardio is wanting to play the right so he will receive and go to the right side of the court after returning the ball

[@abigaillesliedelisa6393]

oh la la Gabe and Andre!

[@DearDextra]

its like like 3.5 bangers beat 4.0 dinkers. But on a grand scale.

[@NNguyennnnnn]

😂 you sound like a 3.0 player pretending you understand high level pickleball.

[@ST3WiiE7]

CJ’s lack of aggression and energy is so frustrating to watch at every major tournament. Much deserved for Daescu and Tardio

[@freddiedavies1752]

colin was barely moving his feet this match

[@ivanrivera3387]

I’ve never seen the John’s brothers play so inconsistently, it was pretty hard to believe. Really weird. I would think they can take down Tardío/Daescu anytime. Lots of unforced errors from the John’s.

[@jimkuhn3500]

The Jones bro's could not handle the POWER 🤣

[@liz-sy2lj]

Finally!

[@mr9oh4]

I’m surprised we didn’t get a spoiler title for this video too. “JOHNS BROTHERS UPSET BY 16 SEED”

[@PPAtour]

We're surprised you still found a way to complain and post the spoiler.

[@mr9oh4]

@@PPAtour better than spoiling it in the title of the video for clicks

[@TroyWilliamsYouTube]

Never seen Ben play so bad and be so low in confidence. Very strange.

[@judymckee5992]

Wow

[@La13Ka41]

Wouldn’t been great if they won 🥇 😂 but I guess that will never happen. You beat the Johns?, good luck with the rest. JeJohnson

[@BlGSac]

People are starting to catch on to the Johns Brothers game, they are a team with the most amount of video footage for people to review. I predict that that both just Ben Johns and the John's Brothers as a whole will be dethroned from the #1 spot

[@timsatterfield9752]

I predict that you are crazy!

[@lealyk5815]

People always say this when they lose every once in awhile and quiet when they continue the domination. Noone is perfect and Tardio and Daescue brought their A game

[@BlGSac]

@@timsatterfield9752 How crazy am I now buddy. Frazier number 1 rated, Johnson number 2 rated, BJ #3, CJ #4

[@fuegomyego]

Wow I understand now it was a late

[@Daniel-ox2zr]

Worst game I've seen for the Johns brothers

[@victorkan7288]

Got punched in the mouth and couldn’t regain their composure.

[@VividTape]

New Joola paddles are absolute junk, when Ben is staring holes through his paddle you know it's bad

[@MorphousInfinity]

What’s junk about this $250 paddle? I’ll take it over a Franklin any day.😂

[@fuegomyego]

How did the winning point go I couldn’t tell shite

[@nchambers007]

Caught the sideline right beside / behind Collin.

[@marko7225]

Ben cant blame this one in Colin!

[@johngreen3587]

That’s as bad as they can play but props to the other team for taking advantage

[@theangler2947]

Idk. Fluke win imo. Johns bros played terrible here they gave the entire match away. I've never seen them play this bad, it literally looks like they're throwing the match in game one.

[@kiplovgren9382]

Think ben learned a valuable lesson in this match, and thats he cant ball hog his brother forever, because the youth is too much for him to handle. He tries to take so many balls away from his brother like at time 20:09 and then is clearly out of position and then Daescu punishes him for it.

[@kiplovgren9382]

rather 20:09

[@gameplaynation4280]

He didn’t lose the point because he was out of position; he missed a ball right at him

[@kiplovgren9382]

@@gameplaynation4280 because his feet weren't planted, hence him being out of position

[@gameplaynation4280]

@@kiplovgren9382 they were though

[@MajorBrev]

Do you actually think he "taking" those from his brother? they drill everyday and play the same every tournament. It's their game not ben "ball hogging". You are very ignorant

[@davidfuhrig5553]

johns body language was terrible the whole match. looked like they were sleep walking.

[@mrmtdew]

Within 10 seconds of this video, the camera switches views in the middle of the point and we don't get to see it end. It's like WWE camerawork. Pick a wide view and stick with it so we can watch the point develop and end. Maybe use the other cameras for the replay? Or at least pick a better time to switch angles.

[@VividTape]

Stop doing ernies, no one cares about them and you are most likely doing them wrong

[@Liam_Maddog]

What are you talking about?

[@Liam_Maddog]

Ben's lack of sportsmanship after the loss was embarrassing. What, is Anna Leigh rubbing off on you?

[@robinrobine8100]

What are you talking about, they brushed paddles and headed off.

[@Liam_Maddog]

Stomping off is more like it. No “Nice game.” Is that asking too much? Also, contrast this behavior with how Ben struts around after he wins. @@robinrobine8100

[@Contrakt1810]

GO FIGURE. Match point the audio is messed up. The Men's Doubles championship game was uploaded to KZbin in about 420p quality too. Hardly watchable. I felt like I was watching videos back in 2004 on my CRT monitor with my dial-up internet.