Pony Motor Oil Problems John Deere 830-Industrial

[@BarryWold]

You'r lucky that your father is still alive to help. Never take that for granted. Good video!

[@jonelsonster]

I will never take that for granted. My wife's mother recently passed away and they were very close, so I know the pain losing a parent brings. I make these videos knowing that one day he will not be around. I'm not sure if it will be fun to rewatch us working together or if it will be too hard. Either way, I'm grateful for this time we have together.

[@johnalexander4356]

Lord! I wish I was able to work like your dad, and I'm only 63.

[@jonelsonster]

He out works me every day and I'm 41!

[@MusicandTractors]

Your dad may be 80. But I’m so glad his body and mind tell him otherwise! Count these blessings that he can still do this stuff.

[@jonelsonster]

I hope it's hereditary and gets passed on to me.

[@joeshovel2]

Yes Sir, Joe. Your Dad is a wonderful person!!

[@jonelsonster]

👍🏻

[@bwlyon]

The Joys of working on the ole pony motor! Glad you found the problem was a trash filled air cleaner assembly. Hopefully the smoke will clear after a few starts.

[@jonelsonster]

I hope so too!

[@79fordblake]

Great job on the addition. It's very awesome that your Dad is still very active and does what he loves. Man that air cleaner was nasty!! Lol.

[@jonelsonster]

He's never been one that can sit idle. But he's taught my brothers and I quite a bit about construction and farming over the years.

[@weirddeere]

I am absolutely shocked that there was so much in there! No wonder you were having issues. I guess it never pays to assume things are good, I will definitely make sure to watch mine! Your diesel crankcase will breathe much better too! I was happy to see the pony crank your diesel over easily. And it is amazing how well the later diesels start compared to the R series. They did a lot of improvement in their designs!

[@jonelsonster]

I need to adjust the clutch to engage the starting transmission a little later, but after that, I hope the bugs with the pony are all worked out (pun intended). It feels good to have it running healthy.

[@weirddeere]

@@jonelsonster The ponies are admittedly a pain but the nostalgia factor and easy cold weather starting (I'll let mine run quite a long time to warm everything up) make them hard to beat

[@larrydavidson3402]

That was a good find, should run great now. Take a bit to burn the oil out of there. Looking forward to restoration of the 830 industrial.

[@jonelsonster]

There is a lot of oil that I need to burn out, but hopefully you're right and it cleans up.

[@ptnelsonster]

Glad you didn’t dive into the engine before you found those wasps nests. Would have been good content though. 😂

[@jonelsonster]

No joke. I was wondering where the best place to start would be when I noticed the oil seeping around the inlet. If I hadn't caught that I probably would be pulling the pony right now! 😂

[@MOTrav]

Country living always has its share of pests. I battle with a few every year. Have fun moving forward!

[@jonelsonster]

Thanks!

[@wademizelle3433]

I would love to see you do the body work & painting. Thanks

[@jonelsonster]

You say that now... But you'll be saying something different when I actually do 😂 I'll take video and see if I can edit it so it is interesting. I try to keep my videos as engaging as working on old tractors can be 😅

[@ptnelsonster]

That 830 just pops right off!

[@jonelsonster]

That big diesel is healthy. I'm glad too, because I didn't know if I'd have the time or money needed to dig into that 😅

[@williammatzek4660]

Dad lived his entire life on a farm (95 yrs). Farmed until he was 84 yrs. Dad told me this ,when he was boy someone hooked on to the front axle on a tractor just like you did. Tore the front axle out from under the tractor. Hook to the frame that is the strongest place.

[@jonelsonster]

Hopefully, now that the pony is running I won't have to pull start it anymore. But those are good words of caution.

[@weirddeere]

@@jonelsonster My 80 has a nice big clevis in the front end, very handy when needed

[@brianhdueck3372]

Looking really good and a fortunate fix too on the air intake.

[@jonelsonster]

Thanks! Hope it fixes the problem.

[@tractordan933]

Haven't looked at the oil bath on my pony motor for quite some time, think I 'll be checking them soon. Should clear up any smoke you were seeing from the pony. Definitely have not checked my 80 or at least I don't remember doing that. Thanks for showing that.

[@jonelsonster]

I share my mistakes/challenges in hopes it will help others out there. I appreciate your comments and support.

[@wbreese9903]

Very interesting!! Nice job on the diagnosis....

[@jonelsonster]

I just hope I'm right

[@Recommended_by_Fred]

I had to pull all those little soft plugs out of my pony carb and clean all kinds of crud out of the passages so it would idle. It looks like those bees must have liked that yellow tractor!

[@jonelsonster]

Ha ha, yeah, they probably thought it was a big yellow flower!

[@duncanwatson7297]

I have to clean out the mesh can on a 70 that has similar problem. I would love to get front casting weight for our 820 and 830 !

[@jonelsonster]

I was amazed to see so much insect mess. I just hope this fixes the problem.

[@marktetzloff4660]

I have an 830 and the screen was all busted up so I replaced it and it was not that bad to change. It costed about a 100 bucks. Really made the front end look nice

[@jonelsonster]

Yes, the grill and nose cone can make it break the appearance.

[@tractordan933]

J8C is the plug I use too. Spare sheet metal is very valuable and nearly impossible to find here in Ohio for the big diesels, 80, 820 or 830.

[@jonelsonster]

I feel very fortunate to have snagged all of those 820 parts. They were going to be scrapped, and so I went and picked them up as fast as I could.

[@ileenmcminn2062]

Leaf cutter bees.

[@jonelsonster]

Ahh, yes. Are they solitaire or do they live in groups?

[@mikesosick2465]

I would love to see how you adjust the starting motor clutch so it doesn’t grind, mine grinds doesn’t matter engage it fast or slow usually engage after 3 -4 tries 🤷 thanks love your vids

[@jonelsonster]

Ok, will do! It might be a few weeks because I've got the radiator torn off the tractor right now. But once I get that back on, then I'll make a video of me trying to figure it out.

[@weirddeere]

FYI, I ran Champion J8Cs for a long time and never really had too many issues. I did switch to Autolite, again not too many issues, I recently found out about Autolite 456 plugs and plan to swap everything out with them for one simple reason....they are a LOT stubbier and give more room, on the backside of a 70, or as you noticed on an 80 with PS. Others use a Autolite 458, which is a hotter plug...and still stubby.

[@jonelsonster]

I think I saw those short little stubby plugs on the Lindt Bros website as I was looking for clutch parts. But they didn't list the number on the plug... So I'm glad you shared it here! Thanks!

[@weirddeere]

@@jonelsonster Yeah I found them at a local auto parts supplier before I even knew Lind sold them

[@michaelstjohn2617]

By all means, show some body work too, I’ve got some myself and always enjoy your videos, we’re all learning together!

[@jonelsonster]

I'll probably keep the camera running and see if I can edit it to keep it interesting.

[@lewiemcneely9143]

I think you're right BUT you need to keep a CLOSE EYE on the crankcase pony oil level. That trash was from rats/squirells,chipmunks/varmints. Maybe from sitting all those years and maybe there. Just watch that oil level and it's full of oil as far as rings and such but should slow down smoking too much. Pop did a FINE job on the shed too. Looks like painting time one day too. Blessings to All Yall!

[@jonelsonster]

Yes, I check the oil level every time I start it. And I've actually got some trick wiring diagrams from other commenters showing how to wire my ignition through a pressure activated switch to kill the power to the coils if the oil pressure ever drops below a set value. I'm looking forward to making that modification shortly.

[@lewiemcneely9143]

@@jonelsonster Right! Have a bypass switch till the pressure builds up and then the prisseure switch will ground it out if the pressure drops. It'll sure work!

[@crashnshoot]

I need that 820 front axle front frame.. I live in Missouri

[@jonelsonster]

I was fortunate to get all of that 820 stuff locally from a guy who was going to scrap it. Shipping such big heavy stuff would cost a fortune.

[@tractordan933]

My Dad was still building things when he was 80 too, doesn't seem possible.

[@jonelsonster]

He's been delt a good hand in the physical health department. It's kinda up to the Man upstairs to some degree. But I'm grateful to have my Dad close enough to work together.

[@TKM1951]

So ! The breather was partially plugged when you brought it home . Doesn’t your dad have a 820 rescued from the same field ?

[@jonelsonster]

Very good point! Yes we have an R that was sitting just feet away! I'll check that filter unit on Thursday when I go up there!

[@Bob-j5o3b]

I had a similar sort of problem with my D2, but in my case, the crankcase was overfull due to the fuel shutoff valve leaking, and as a consequence, the crankcase and thus the carb experienced both positive and negative pressure preventing it from flowing fuel through the jets. So long story short, the fuel wouldn't deliver fuel and the pony wouldn't run

[@jonelsonster]

I've come to learn many of the little quirks of these pony motors. It really is a rollercoaster of emotions. I really like the concept of the pony motor, and when they run, it's fun. But it's frustrating if they don't run. And you can't get the big engine started without it... So there are highs and lows.

[@johndeere2cylfarmer]

The main engine breathes through the pony and the pony air filter doubles as a crankcase vent filter for the main engine. If the filter gets plugged it pushs oil into the filter. Also if the diesel has blow by it will add oil to the pony air filter to lol. I'm glad my 830 has electric start😂, my 720 pony is very moody😂

[@jonelsonster]

I get jealous of my dad's electric start 830 each time it starts up. But it doesn't build nearly as much character as a pony 😂

[@johndeere2cylfarmer]

@jonelsonster i agree but it's super convenient 🤣🤣🤣

[@bethmotgomery2662]

Electric starter conversion????????? 😉😉

[@jonelsonster]

Where would the fun be in that? 😅 An electric start kit is about $2k. So far I've only spent about $200 on this pony motor. And hopefully this fixes the problems I've faced. But more than anything, I want to keep this thing mechanically intact the way it left the factory in Waterloo. Deere only made a total of 127 830-Industrial tractors. Of those, only 45 had pony motors. On top of that, I've been told by historical experts that there are only 16 pony start 830-industrials known to exist. So this is a relatively rare tractor, so for that reason, I'm determined to keep this one a pony start. But you are right, an electric starter is probably easier.

[@dadigitechman]

Compression rule of thumb: As long as the average compression of all cylinders is higher than the lowest compression number... its good to go.

[@jonelsonster]

Thanks! That's helpful!

[@mikemaloney7604]

The air should not go through the oil. The oil should be low enough so the air heads down toward the oil (but gap between oil and screen) and then turns and goes up through screen. Any debris can not make the turn and goes straight into the oil and gets trapped. Very Important not to over fill oil for that reason.

[@jonelsonster]

Mine was way over full... For reasons explained throughout the whole video 😅. What you describe with large particles falling out of the inlet air is like the pre-cleaner sitting up on the top of the air inlet stack. Then, I thought the oil level in the oil bath is set so the air ever so slightly bubbles through the oil. Then the wire mesh screen separates catches the small droplets of oil before it exits the air cleaner. I'm not 100% positive on that, but I thought that's how they worked... At least on these old Deere tractors. Either way, all I need to do is fill it with the right amount of oil and it will do its job. The engineers before me knew what they were doing and designed it to work properly.