Joni Mitchell on Bob Dylan

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@johnhuwroberts7766
@johnhuwroberts7766 4 жыл бұрын
I love Bob and Joni. It’s personal. I don’t need to compare and contrast. Both gifted, mysterious and special. Thanks, both of you. It’s been an absolute pleasure!! X
@chairmanmeow3693
@chairmanmeow3693 4 жыл бұрын
I don't care what character Bob Dylan is playing. All I know is he made a lot of really great songs!
@chairmanmeow3693
@chairmanmeow3693 4 жыл бұрын
@Matt Roberts Thanks I do too. To be honest though, I saw a post years ago from someone with this username and I decided I would use it also . If you also want to adopt it you have my blessing!
@virvisquevir3320
@virvisquevir3320 7 жыл бұрын
Dylan brings me to dark, swampy, muddy places; Joni brings me to snowflakes sparkling and swirling and dancing in the sun, the joy of existence, the magic of being alive. I don't care how "good" anyone is at anything. I care where they bring me.
@ChristianMitchellMusic
@ChristianMitchellMusic 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I can appreciate technical ability but if there's no soul, forget it. But Joni? Well, she's got it all!
@benhayes5683
@benhayes5683 3 жыл бұрын
Listen to Nashville skyline by Dylan and you'd change Ur mind I think , really up beat nice country and his voice is great , alot different to what you'd expect 🙂✌️
@sharonsmith2771
@sharonsmith2771 2 жыл бұрын
@@benhayes5683 love that album. It was the first Dylan album i listened to.
@benhayes5683
@benhayes5683 2 жыл бұрын
@@sharonsmith2771 it's magical to say the least ahha 😝
@sharonsmith2771
@sharonsmith2771 2 жыл бұрын
Hence Dylan is the superior song writer.
@allanrussack2844
@allanrussack2844 3 жыл бұрын
As everyone knows, talent isn’t just about how technically proficient the artist is. One thing that amazes me is the writers ability to pull an original song, words and melody etc from thin air and to make it exist for the rest of us to enjoy!
@jorgeyogues788
@jorgeyogues788 10 жыл бұрын
There are entertainers, performers, musicians and rock stars. Dylan is a poet, a social commentator, an artist. His genius is not in his guitar or his voice but in his words. He's a song writer. In my opinion, one of the best.
@timber750
@timber750 4 жыл бұрын
I agree he wrote a number of memorable songs
@knotwilg3596
@knotwilg3596 4 жыл бұрын
I think nobody really wants to see a ranking of song writers but it's hard to argue that at least lyrically Dylan is unsurpassed. Dylan doesn't even have a particular lyrical style. He masters all styles. He has so many tricks up his sleeve that you can spend a repertoire yourself on copying them. Another thing Dylan has (besides an obvious lack of finesse in his voice or guitar) is delivery. His phrasing is unparalleled too. He creates emotion through poetic rhythm. However, in terms of linking smart or sensitive lyrics with unorthodox yet appealing music, Joni wins ;)
@willfromyadkinville
@willfromyadkinville 4 жыл бұрын
i loved it!
@ajfrost3382
@ajfrost3382 4 жыл бұрын
I would argue that there is genius in his voice. Everybody knows it. Even with the worst Bob Dylan impression it's easy to tell who it is.
@charlieleonardo
@charlieleonardo 3 жыл бұрын
Hey hang on there: BD has produced some gorgeous sounding tracks both vocally & sonically: ‘Lay Lady Lay’ & ‘Just Like A Woman’ come to mind instantly!
@svendbosanvovski4241
@svendbosanvovski4241 4 жыл бұрын
As great and lovable as Joni is, she still doesn't get Bob. He is as elusive to her has his lyrics are to the rest of us. Its not Bob's voice and guitar playing that matter so much, or we would be looking for a hybrid cross of Tommy Emmanuel and Mario Lanza. And he is not trapped in the 60s with his hobo attire and Woody Guthrie voice. He is a cinematic experience, shifting form from one reel to the next, a perceptive living organism who invented a name and hit the highway like one one of those minstrel players he sings about.
@jimmatlock7348
@jimmatlock7348 Жыл бұрын
Huh? Why waste my time with this 'he's so deep you just don't get him' crap. You want to know about a, talent that Re-imagined himself, read Jame dean:the mutant king. I just saw him in east of eden last night, and he makes it look so easy, like falling off a, log.
@8OBO8
@8OBO8 Жыл бұрын
​@Jim Matlock cool you he isn’t for you then. In other words you dont get him. But thats fine. I bet there are a load of great artists that you love, but I dont get.
@jimmatlock7348
@jimmatlock7348 Жыл бұрын
What's love got to do with it? He WA called a n 'organism' - - - look, I like my cinematic e perience to recognize my life form, not a paramecia that eats bacteria for breakfast. Not a cup of tea to try to read Tarantula.
@bendmymind486
@bendmymind486 Жыл бұрын
What I hear in this interview is that she’s standing up for Bob… “that comment was taken completely out of context”… “that was journalistic bullsh*t”, lol. She shares at the end that it wasn’t his vocals or even really his guitar-playing style that was particularly special, which I would agree to- but bet she would’ve noted if the interviewer stayed on the topic of Dylan longer that it really was his lyrics in so many of his songs that were jaw-dropping in their imagination, honesty or authenticity. He started out copying others’ styles, yeah, but couldn’t contain that original talent/intelligence that was uniquely him. His lyrics were the thing that stood out & just wowed everyone. The poetry & imagery of Tambourine Man and of It’s Alright Ma, I’m Only Bleeding that goes on & on…. the irony, humor & even kind of early rapping ?!? of Subterranean Homesick Blues…. that’s why Bobby Zimmerman was unique. Love Joni. And I can tell she respects Bob, but is simply noticing differences in their original approaches when young. I hear her saying it’s an artist thing, & corrupt or un-informed interviewers (not this guy) wouldn’t understand….
@JohnB-dr8sk
@JohnB-dr8sk 6 ай бұрын
@@jimmatlock7348 Ok. Bob Dylan completely changed the face of modern music years before anyone had even heard of Joni Mitchell. The Beatles would have still been playing "Yeah Yeah Yeah" had it not been for Dylan. US politics were changed by Dylan. The Byrds went electric because of Dylan. Jimi Hendrix had a major hit covering Dylan. Every songwriter after Dylan stole from his approach. Dylan's influence was so enormous it defies the imagination. All because of his MUSICAL songwriting genius. Yeah, Joni was great, but Joni didn't change music like Dylan did. She lives in his shadow and she knows it. She let her narcissistic veil slip in this interview and it's a really bad look for her.
@cozmovox
@cozmovox 7 жыл бұрын
I love the way she exposes the stupidity of many so called "intellectuals", especially when they work for the media. Someone who states that Joni is "unauthentic" is indeed someone who doesn't know the meaning of the word "authentic" and doesn't know anything about Joni's life work. She has the right to call him an a.....e.
@klausrain111
@klausrain111 3 жыл бұрын
Should be "inauthentic."
@cozmovox
@cozmovox 3 жыл бұрын
@@klausrain111 wise ! Newt time I'll just say "not authentic"
@larryobrien7006
@larryobrien7006 10 жыл бұрын
Joni Mitchell has written some of the greatest Jazz lyrics in her album Mingus, and brought an incredible jazz vocalist interpretation to those great Charlie Mingus songs. She and Tom Scott were an incredible jazz team on several albums, most notably Miles of Aisles. She had many albums that most casual listeners have never listened to that are incredibly original and thoroughly enjoyable. Most people think of her early folkie stuff and have no clue what a great original artist she has been since then. Listen to Hejira or The Hissing of Summer Lawns, with the great bassist Jaco Pastorius, and then come back when you know who you're talking about.
@SmoothCinnamonX
@SmoothCinnamonX 3 жыл бұрын
Joni's synergy with Jaco was amazing! "The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines" to me is one of her all-time greatest recordings, and so few fans ever mention it, which is weird, because it's also one of her most covered songs.
@virvisquevir3320
@virvisquevir3320 7 жыл бұрын
She's brilliant, authentic and sharp And original. And bares her soul. God bless you, Joni, and thank you.
@catherinelevison3310
@catherinelevison3310 6 жыл бұрын
I have loved Bob Dylan since I was 14 years old and he covered a lot of artists’ work and Woodie Guthrie songs. Guthrie was Dylan’s hero. He sat at his bedside practically daily while he was an older man in the hospital. Dylan lived with lots and lots of people because he was young and broke. These people had large record collections and huge amounts of books. Dylan had all day to read and he has told this to us. He listened to the oldest recorded music ever put on vinyl and took all that in. He had a definite affinity toward the early folk music and came out as one. Did his singing anywhere they’d have him. He became an original based on prior work. They booed and booed when he went to the electrical guitar and he didn’t care. Every Dylan concert I’ve been to has been vastly different. He followed his own path. Now Joni Mitchell is VERY original!!!! I had her albums when I was young too. I do not sense any copying of anyone. She taught herself guitar in a rural setting. You are going to be original when you do that. Dylan admits to imitating his idol and singing Guthrie songs. Mitchell admits nothing like that. She was rare. We had other female folk singers but Joni is her own thing, person. A true original. Most musicians admit to who they were copying; for example The Rolling Stones. David Bowie claims to have nicked (stolen) his inspiration and has said he can copy any voice. But I love Bowie and I give him more credit than he gives himself. The different personas he developed were extremely individual and had not been done before, not ever. Because he studied as a mime and wanted to be an artist he was trained in “expression” and admits it a lot. Joni wasn’t trained and mimicked no one. She broke a mold. It is not often that anyone has an original thought. It’s rare. She is rare. She is lovely. And she is that great combination of artist and musician. Respect originality.
@jamesx9881
@jamesx9881 4 жыл бұрын
@Stig Weard his comment is longer than the interview.
@imaonarseal
@imaonarseal 4 жыл бұрын
Come on, Joni loved jazz. She called one of her albums after her heroe, Mingus.
@SmoothCinnamonX
@SmoothCinnamonX 3 жыл бұрын
@@imaonarseal the Mingus album was an artistic collaboration between Charles Mingus and Joni Mitchell, and it was Mingus who requested to meet with her to work on what would turn out to be his last songs.
@clarkewi
@clarkewi 7 жыл бұрын
Joni is so cool. Great artist - in paint and sound.
@nancyprohira2571
@nancyprohira2571 Жыл бұрын
You should see Bob Dylan's artwork..He is very talented in both painting and welding. He is truly gifted.
@annikastarr
@annikastarr 11 жыл бұрын
BOB IS A GREAT GUITARIST , I'VE SEEN IT FIRST HAND
@freesoulsinger
@freesoulsinger 11 жыл бұрын
Joni speaks honestly and she is a free spirit and an immensely gifted artist
@phillipanderson7398
@phillipanderson7398 3 жыл бұрын
She does and she sounds like a very intelligent person who wants to get her point of view across. Unfortunately I don't like her singing, her music or her albums.
@Namdor2012
@Namdor2012 Жыл бұрын
Ms Idiot Wind> Roberta Joan Mitchell .....She transcends bitterness.....Janis Ian, a far greater talent..
@timdavisfitness
@timdavisfitness 3 жыл бұрын
I’m glad to get the Dylan thing cleared up
@DreaCN
@DreaCN 10 жыл бұрын
Here's my thoughts on this for what it's worth and for any that care. Even if Bob Dylan 'stole' material or ideas or a persona or whatever, his abilities and insight at reading the times still outweigh much of the criticism levied against him. He was a lightning rod for the times and changed everything after him. Had he not been that, there would be no Joni Mitchell. Bob Dylan has said many times that he just wanted to do his thing and people ended up taking him too seriously for his own liking. He resonated a bit too much. He enjoyed the attention but found it also absurd. Dylan also said that he can't write the way he did back when. May be true but his songwriting still isn't bad. His singing voice, today, well that's another story altogether. Joni Mitchell, talented as she is, came from a lack of experience which gave her the originality she enjoyed. It was in not knowing how to do it but having the will to express her eccentric self that made her really stand out as an artist. She's original but flaky too. Those things often go together with artists. For the most part I enjoy her take on things artistically but she takes her own originality too seriously as well and often ends up making a creative mess out of it. Joni is being a little dishonest when she talks about persona. She is after all in show business and all performance has a bit of theater. All performers are actors, even street performers, waiters, customer service people, sales people and politicians. There's a lot of opportunities to 'act' a part. Many great musicians have used a persona or a mask to deliver their work. Elton John, David Bowie, Mick Jagger, Lou Reed, etc. She's being a little underhanded here whether she knows it or not. She hasn't remained as popular over the decades while Dylan's legend grows larger than, in her eyes, maybe it should. I don't think either idea sits well with her. I think that's evident.
@subzerothought
@subzerothought 9 жыл бұрын
+Drea CN A very astute comment!
@humanbein9415
@humanbein9415 9 жыл бұрын
+Drea CN Wow. Very perceptive, and extremely well articulated. I must concur.
@lijanal5090
@lijanal5090 7 жыл бұрын
Drea CN chuck Berry was the beginning of Dylan for song writing so did the beach boys steel Gordon Lightfoot is original
@62426637
@62426637 7 жыл бұрын
Right on! Joni can rightly claim to be an original--but she has to admit who the greatest original among postwar songwriters was. She is the opposite of Dylan in that she reveals a single soul, while he approaches form many directions, adopting many (dis)guises along the way.
@user-kh9ki3kq8m
@user-kh9ki3kq8m 6 жыл бұрын
Bob Dylan was a phony who pretended to not want to be ogled over for using stolen content. Someone who really made music and didn’t care about being recognized is someone like Karen Dalton. People who don’t care about attention, generally don’t get that much.
@MortimerSnerdVideos
@MortimerSnerdVideos Жыл бұрын
Bob stills has that poetry in him. Like his song I’ve made up my mind to give myself to you that reminded me a bit of his bringing it all back home album. Bob himself said in an interview with 60 minutes that his early songs were magically written and he knew he couldn’t write like that anymore. He used the lyrics of it’s alright ma as an example and challenged somebody sit down and write something like that. Bob even said it didn’t entirely disappoint him that he couldn’t write that way anymore because you can’t do something forever.
@djangolad
@djangolad 10 жыл бұрын
She's right that Bob turned to craft to re-invigorate himself, 1987 he had a crisis whereby he almost quit. Had to turn back to advice he got from Lonnie Johnson about musical theory to re-start the engines. Thank god he did!
@04Mscentrum
@04Mscentrum 10 жыл бұрын
04mscentrum: Tragic that this interviewer lost his way, his job, and yet-HERE had the gift of a Mitchell interview--in her home, so rare.Human beings, flawed, here a TALENT, thrown away. God Bless Joni.....so candid here, eccentricities and all.
@mbrand19971
@mbrand19971 11 жыл бұрын
People can debate on who's the best songwriter till they become blue in the face. I had grerat admiration for both Bob & Joni and these songwriter have given the world the best music they wrote to high aclaim no matter what folks say. Joni was born a artist and her body of work will forever be timeless along with Dylan as well. Their music will forever last and live eternally.
@sharonsmith2771
@sharonsmith2771 2 жыл бұрын
She is cool but she is not in Dylans league!!! Not even close.
@mbrand19971
@mbrand19971 2 жыл бұрын
@@sharonsmith2771 fair enough.
@greenatom
@greenatom 7 жыл бұрын
She has a right to be pissed about being misrepresented in the newspaper article. Yet another example of how you can't trust a reporter to just give you the facts.
@Gomek2
@Gomek2 11 жыл бұрын
Joni is like Miles, Coltrane, Sinatra, etc She can get away with being an over opinionated blowhard, that's one of the reason I love her! Her songwriting and musical talent is WAY off the charts! She's in the top 1 percent of all time great poets and songwriters period!
@byHexted
@byHexted Жыл бұрын
I don’t think she’d appreciate being called over opinionated Bc she was ASKED A QUESTION. She hates interviews and barely ever does them, and then when she finally gets convinced to and gets asked ABOUT ARTISTS IMITATING, she’s OVER OPINIONATED for answering
@joaquindelarosa1215
@joaquindelarosa1215 Жыл бұрын
Sinatra was a great singer but he was not a songwriter, composer, or improviser.
@ApocalypsePlough
@ApocalypsePlough 11 жыл бұрын
She uses the word "musically" before she lists Dylan's weaknesses. She's not criticizing his art, but his technical skills, ie, guitar playing and voice. And Dylan HAS created this character that he hides behind. Joni criticizes everyone. Would you rather have her be dishonest? I think she comes out with things like this because she is incapable of lying. You don't want her to talk about Dylan, then don't ask her. I like both Dylan and Joni. It IS possible to like both, you know.
@Theweeze100
@Theweeze100 8 жыл бұрын
Joni has nothing to defend. Her body of work is an ample defence against the "pedestrian quality" of much of the music that came after her. Musicians and music fans alike realize what a phenomenal talent she is! Man..this guy is a jerk!
@karinettinger2912
@karinettinger2912 7 жыл бұрын
aweF0Am innerEnvy0n theShhh.awL0wGreen,"inTheBrrr.Aking&Brrr.EaThin0f 'theWaterWeeds"...
@scottt3100
@scottt3100 3 жыл бұрын
Funny, I thought he was quite respectful. Maybe you didn’t see the entire interview. This was but a few minutes of it.
@thescoobymike
@thescoobymike 4 жыл бұрын
Lol I read her interview and wondered why she hated Bob so much and now I'm watching this and I absolutely love her and how much she hates interviewers cause they really do misconstrue to get headlines
@klausrain111
@klausrain111 3 жыл бұрын
Don't really think she hates anybody. Exasperation maybe, but not hatred.
@JohnB-dr8sk
@JohnB-dr8sk 6 ай бұрын
There was nothing misconstrued. Joni is out of her mind. Bob Dylan completely changed the face of modern music years before anyone had even heard of Joni Mitchell. The Beatles would have still been playing "Yeah Yeah Yeah" had it not been for Dylan. US politics were changed by Dylan. The Byrds went electric because of Dylan. Jimi Hendrix had a major hit covering Dylan. Dylan's influence was so enormous it defies the imagination. All because of his MUSICAL songwriting genius. Yeah, Joni was great, but Joni didn't change music like Dylan did. She lives in his shadow and she knows it. She let her narcissistic veil slip in this interview and it's a really bad look for her.
@MacJaxonManOfAction
@MacJaxonManOfAction 11 жыл бұрын
Great artists steal. Dylan is one of the greatest artists of the 20thc. I don't give a shit whose voice he borrowed or how he moved from Elvis and Little Richard to Leadbelly and Guthrie and back and forward. He wrote Mr Tambourine Man and Love Minus Zero and Blind Willie. His work speaks for itself.
@Honestly__now
@Honestly__now Жыл бұрын
She is awesome. Who care what they borrowed . Bob is great too. Its all just music
@davidmayhew4818
@davidmayhew4818 8 жыл бұрын
funny how her telling the truth makes some people so defensive. the comments here show exactly what she says about being misunderstood. she's famously verbal and that is courageous.
@danapack40
@danapack40 8 жыл бұрын
+David Mayhew maybe, but she is an artistic lightweight/lyricist compared to Dylan, I like her stuff but she is not even in his league, people are not being defensive as much as truthful
@christy1165
@christy1165 8 жыл бұрын
Are you serious..... Join's musical talent is classical....her knowledge of music and poetry unmatched. But do we absolutely love Dylan songs, of course! She does not sound bitter at all...just hard to communicate to morons.
@cinaetscott8340
@cinaetscott8340 8 жыл бұрын
+David Mayhew Anyone can be "famously verbal." All it requires is narcissism, self indulgence and a lack of discretion.
@davidmayhew4818
@davidmayhew4818 7 жыл бұрын
Cinaet Scott Why are you so negative? She's so right on! Somebody has got to come up to the plate. She does. And intelligently!
@brucehauge1391
@brucehauge1391 6 жыл бұрын
Others would say she is classless and bitter and Jealous.
@zimmermanhighway3
@zimmermanhighway3 8 жыл бұрын
The ghost of electricity howls in the bones of her face
@RileyRampant
@RileyRampant 7 жыл бұрын
jesus, that was perfect
@duckbrew
@duckbrew 7 жыл бұрын
Don't forget jewels and binoculars which hang from the head of her mule..
@boxieracorn8445
@boxieracorn8445 6 жыл бұрын
Ain’t it just like the night to play tricks while you’re trying to be so quiet?
@rushabhbansode7056
@rushabhbansode7056 6 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@florida_sucks
@florida_sucks 4 жыл бұрын
Live Free Or die you’re making yourself look a fool. Joni is a master
@piehole23
@piehole23 11 жыл бұрын
If I was so unfamiliar with famed singers' discographies, I'd keep quieter. She has two album of the year Grammys and many others that have been best-sellers.
@timothyecheandia2043
@timothyecheandia2043 3 жыл бұрын
I have often thought that Dylan's voice was perfect accompaniment for his lyrics. If he had a sweet melodic voice or a " danceable beat" like on AB then the poetry wouldn't have the same impact or power. There are plenty of acts that are covered in gold and thousand dollar suits singing " I who have nothing". And he has written the greatest love songs ever.Tangled up in blue, Baby blue, It ain't me babe, Desolation row, Lay lay lady lay, Queen Jane Approx., It takes a lot to laugh....,Girl from the north country,I want you, Sad eyed lady of the lowlands, Just like a woman etc brilliant simply brilliant A GENIUS.!!
@johnavy4912
@johnavy4912 5 жыл бұрын
LovdDylans voice and guitar playing
@DearArianaMusic
@DearArianaMusic 5 жыл бұрын
Listen to "It's Alright Ma I'm Only Bleeding" and tell me Dylan isn't a very good guitar player.
@jamesx9881
@jamesx9881 4 жыл бұрын
@nightridehome - you say Dylan WAS a mediocre musician? It is 2020 and the Legend is releasing it a new album of original work. I have seen Bob Live 5 times, twice at the Albert Hall, he is not and never will be mediocre. He changed the world and the world of music. Listen to Time out of mind and tell me that album is mediocre.
@gayleliman3423
@gayleliman3423 4 жыл бұрын
@nightridehome - you must be Canadian.
@ronchapman6525
@ronchapman6525 4 жыл бұрын
@nightridehome - I love Joni's music but you are an ignorant fool.
@michaelcelani8325
@michaelcelani8325 4 жыл бұрын
Why compare two artists that are unique..? Super Dumb!
@gayleliman3423
@gayleliman3423 4 жыл бұрын
@@michaelcelani8325 Super dumb! Yes!
@universalsailor
@universalsailor 9 жыл бұрын
She's misquoted and misunderstood, and mostly because she's honest. Whatever you make of her, you can't deny she's an artist, in the core sense of that word, and also a great performer. I have a huge problem with her hippy politics, but I love the lady's extraordinary abilities. A genius, actually, though she'd deny it.
@TruNordics14
@TruNordics14 9 жыл бұрын
+universalsailor At least she's not a Feminazi. She could have gone that way but saw the whole Gloria Steinem man hating thing for what it was. She said she knew the card carrying members of that club in the folk scene and the politicos and said strait up they are man haters. As far as hippie women from that era, she's not too bad lol.
@randyventresca4152
@randyventresca4152 5 жыл бұрын
@@TruNordics14 she has said she is a feminist in that women are as good as men and should be equal. But, she has never been a man hater. As far as "hippie politics" are concerned, Joni Mitchell has never been that political in her lyrics. Her songs are more about relationships. But, she does throw in a bit of commentary in a song now and then.
@ha222ha222
@ha222ha222 3 жыл бұрын
She's brilliant. She even imitated Dylan's voice. But he started as a gifted poet who put his poetry to music.
@alcarusojr3040
@alcarusojr3040 3 жыл бұрын
Bob Dylan was always a Musician Jim Morrison was a poet
@ha222ha222
@ha222ha222 3 жыл бұрын
@@alcarusojr3040 Bob Dylan is no musician. His music means little. But his words were like poetry according to Joan Baez who was with him in the Village at his beginning
@alcarusojr3040
@alcarusojr3040 3 жыл бұрын
I am not a expert on Bob Dylan I do know a little He always wanted to be in a Band he did covers and Evolved just like everyone else Beatles included
@alcarusojr3040
@alcarusojr3040 2 жыл бұрын
,Bob Dylan was always in a Band since he was a teenager long before he was a Great poet read about his Beginning everyone Evolves
@rickstalentedtongue910
@rickstalentedtongue910 2 жыл бұрын
@@alcarusojr3040 But he was good at being a poet
@kennywowie
@kennywowie 11 жыл бұрын
Not jealousy. Annoyance at being compared to anyone. Affirmative on Crosby. One of our national treasures. My favorite rhythm guitarist. Wind on the Waters. He and Nash nailed that one in the opening choral section. Stunning.
@ernietollar407
@ernietollar407 9 жыл бұрын
I've been noticing that interviewers and journalists liv under the expectation to create a tension, a controversy, something that is supposedly worth checking out because it is contentious. If I was around a Joni or Dylan I'd think that they would do well (better) in the absence of me directing the conversation with a list of questions or an agenda. I'd rather hear a Joni or a Dylan respond to an open ended question like "what are a few of your favourite things" ? or whatever... maybe no question ... just engage, person to person and wait for the words to flow. It's not important to breakdown artists to their list of qualities, original, virtuoso, great lyricist. Joni touching on her internal process about a painting influenced approach is indeed interesting... but it's her inner workings... I'd argue that what is more important is her final work - the expression that she in the end projects in the final product. And comparing it to Dylan or anybody is to break it down analyze it... but, great music is always more than the sum of its components, and while I love hearing the artists talk freely I like hearing their songs with my eyes and ears not through a consrtucted portal
@Theweeze100
@Theweeze100 8 жыл бұрын
Ernie Tollar Yep, it's really irritating and makes you want to turn off their mic!
@chris-dempsey
@chris-dempsey 5 жыл бұрын
It's really sad that this interviewer wasted as much as a brief moment bating her and pitting contention between her and another artist. I agree with you. She would be so interesting to listen to answer an open ended question about her process / inspiration or just her day to day interests
@cstevenson1234
@cstevenson1234 8 жыл бұрын
Anyone offended by what she said isn't getting what she's saying. She said she liked a lot of his songs, but he wasn't a good musician and his persona was borrowed. That's not an insult; not being a good musician wasn't a limitation for him, and his use of a different public persona doesn't invalidate his effect.
@cstevenson1234
@cstevenson1234 8 жыл бұрын
epiphany difference What constitutes genius is subjective; to say that an individual must align themselves with one's point of view is totalitarian.
@nickpastorino5370
@nickpastorino5370 8 жыл бұрын
+epiphany difference Would you say that me saying that 2+2=3 is just a 'different point of view' from everyone else? I'll be sure to tell my math professor that I never got any wrong answers on my exams, my incorrect answers were just different point of views. XD
@HankFinkle11
@HankFinkle11 8 жыл бұрын
Cedric Conti what does that mean, "borrowed?"
@artrock101
@artrock101 7 жыл бұрын
@Scott Reed Have you ever seen or heard Woody Guthrie?
@HaluhalongPuna
@HaluhalongPuna 6 жыл бұрын
@Lord Elpus - wait, so Woody came first in the spotlight before Dylan did? please answer I'm curious.
@jonasreijniers4801
@jonasreijniers4801 11 жыл бұрын
Frankly, she said:'' I like a lot of Bob Dylan's songs''.
@missymissymiss5192
@missymissymiss5192 4 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this interview immensely.
@fishtruckisfand2291
@fishtruckisfand2291 10 жыл бұрын
It's funny she would question his musical ability. I mean as the story goes Mitchell's 'Blue' was what instigated Dylan to fiddle with open tunings, and it just so happened that he ended up recording an entire album in open E. and that record: Blood on the Tracks, is perhaps the most genuinely moving/heartrending collection of songs ever committed to tape... And his voice, I must add, is what carries all the emotional force and evokes the poignancy or whatever it is. because... ''Any fool can think, and most can write; delivering those thoughts intact to another mind, another consciousness, is the extraordinary talent'' and that there is the reason why Dylan is a genius and a class apart.
@niallswaine2436
@niallswaine2436 6 ай бұрын
Could not have been put better than that
@SmoothCinnamonX
@SmoothCinnamonX 3 жыл бұрын
2:17 "That's journalistic bull****" God I love Joni!
@clappzzz
@clappzzz 11 жыл бұрын
Dunno why she's insecure, her talents were immense. Maybe it's still hard to accept that it's over. She was great for a decade or so, and that's a LONG time for a songwriter. The thing about Mitchell is, she had the whole package: fantastic lyrics, original guitar style, beguiling melodies, BRILLIANT voice, good looks...none of the other great singer-writers of her (or any other) era were so completely gifted. So she can poke a hole in just about anybody else, if she wants to...
@thomaselliott573
@thomaselliott573 6 жыл бұрын
Good looks???????? She is one of the most ugly ladies ever created! She could not even win a beauty contest at a horse show! Maybe you got the clap from her because you are raving mad.
@lvrgrl8472
@lvrgrl8472 4 жыл бұрын
she's not insecure.... youre one of those interviewers she's speaking of. taking everything out of context. she is obviously very secure in herself
@lvrgrl8472
@lvrgrl8472 4 жыл бұрын
@@thomaselliott573 you have a distorted reality of what beauty looks like. To talk about someone that way is gross.
@thomaselliott573
@thomaselliott573 4 жыл бұрын
@@lvrgrl8472 but true. She was a girl with a chip on her shoulder. Eternally depressed and looking for someone to blame it on.
@outis439-A
@outis439-A 4 жыл бұрын
@@thomaselliott573 Ok, she was not hideous; I mean she wasnt stunning either but she looks average.
@celestial9669
@celestial9669 11 жыл бұрын
Starting @ 04:14, Sounds like a Dylan dig to me. Whatever Joni, Dylan's music will be remembered more than yours will be to future generations.
@gdsongwriter
@gdsongwriter 10 жыл бұрын
I read the comments here, many of which are, frankly, bizarre and ridiculous and all I can think of is of some of the finest albums of the 70s like Blood On The Tracks, For The Roses, Desire, Court And Spark etc. We'd all be better off listening to wonderful songs like Simple Twist Of Fate, Woman Of Heart And Mind, Shelter From The Storm, Electricity, Hurricane, Song For Sharon, Sarah. It's a long list. Do yourselves a favour and listen!
@DexterHaven
@DexterHaven 6 жыл бұрын
Speak for yourself. You sound like an old lady moralizing when you say, "We'd all be better off listening to wonderful songs like Simple Twist Of Fate... " Why don't you add, "And we all need to learn from Dickens after that and look into our own hearts and try to be a little kinder this Christmas..." yada, yada...
@savedfaves
@savedfaves 11 жыл бұрын
Two geniuses. I love the both. But Joni is sort of oddly becoming my personal hero. She's one of the truest music artists there ever was or is.
@andocrates
@andocrates 11 жыл бұрын
Mozart didn't copy Bach nor could he escape him.
@RayasNegroOvejas
@RayasNegroOvejas 11 жыл бұрын
Well, it's very subjective. How doesn't Joni's music touch Dylan's? If you are talking about the music only, the experience while listening to the albums, the voice, lyrics, etc. and not necessarily the influence (which Joni of course has too)? But it's maybe only their influence that make them, and others, able to compare? I love both, and they won't be forgotten. When it comes to looking back, I would rather see someone more unknown be discovered, like some writers and artists from before.
@jespersorensen4462
@jespersorensen4462 7 ай бұрын
Bob is the greatest songwriter ever. Joni has a handfull of great songs. You won’t catch Bob doing interviews passing negative judgement on Joni (or any other great songwriter). He does’nt need to - He knows where he stands in the pack !
@Hernancillo37
@Hernancillo37 11 жыл бұрын
Joni is great, but Bob is a genius. The only man who invented a culture. As Jerry García said: " Dylan has written songs that touch the mind to places that nobody had come."
@theminotaurs
@theminotaurs 2 жыл бұрын
"At midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out and round up everyone that knows more than they do. They bring them to the factory and the heart attack machine is strapped across his shoulders and then the kerosene" From Desolation Row. No other songwriter wrote anything so terrifying and vivid.
@byHexted
@byHexted Жыл бұрын
Joni is a genius. Undebatable. Joni is a better songwriter and artist, and both of their contemporaries not only WOULD agree with me, but they HAVE. Ask Crosby.
@byHexted
@byHexted Жыл бұрын
@@theminotaurs she wasn’t talking about his poetry, she’s talking about his voice, style and how he presents himself in his music verses how he really is. Whether y’all like bob more or not is irrelevant, her point still stands. You cannot find even the slightest example EVER of Joni not being the same person inside and outside of music. You can’t say the same for bob dylan, and y’all need to show some respect and accept maybe the person who TOURED with him and knew him personally, has a better idea of what she’s talking about then you who probably quite literally didn’t exist yet.
@bobbymhanaford
@bobbymhanaford 10 жыл бұрын
What a hypocrite. All art is borrowed. What makes a great artist, like Dylan, is taking all of those inspirations and goosebump moments as a child and fusing it in to something of his own. Thats exactly what that man did. Better than any one else I've seen do it. And i'll be goddamned if I hear some one else try and degrade that. What are we supposed to do? Re-create the universe and make the first song? Impossible. Aspiration comes from inspiration, plain and simple. Im gonna go listen to 'Blood on the Tracks" now
@nejc
@nejc 7 жыл бұрын
She's not a hypocrite, what she's saying is true.. Most art is stolen and Dylan is the master of this.. And so were the Beatles and many other artists... But that doesn't mean it's any less art or any less good... I mean come one if you really know Dylan and Mitchell you know he's the master of stealing and she's a purist... But there's nothing wrong with stealing, we all do it subconsciously and some do it consciously.. The problem is people imitating others... Picasso said it best: Good artists borrow, great artists steal. And some, like Joni, try to do neither...
@gpsontime4598
@gpsontime4598 7 жыл бұрын
Nice touch quoting Picasso. However, most art is learned by copying/emulating until the artist develops their own 'style.' Dylan copied/emulated Guthrie. Joni Mitchell had her own voice and a variety of tunings, and her lyrics represented things she saw and felt; much concerning her own love life. What modern singer is like Joni Mitchell? Tracy Chapman comes to mind, but she had her own edge. Both Chapman and Mitchell expressed their world; what they saw they related in song so we could share the ideas and the feelings. And they did it artfully and with style.
@JFF35753
@JFF35753 7 жыл бұрын
I don't know how old you are but you must be under 60. I say that because if you had been around in 1964 and followed what Lennon and McCartney did to the music world then you would know just how original their music was. Why do you think classical composers were making statement like the Beatles were the greatest composers since Beethoven! Bob Dylan copies the style of Woody G. but soon created a new dynamic to both the folk world and the rock world. All three are without a doubt the greatest song writers in the last 70 years. What amazing talents they were.
@shanehunter2280
@shanehunter2280 6 жыл бұрын
Bobby I don't mean to disrespect your feelings about the guy and his music ( if he has any music of his own) but if you look into the guy.... everything including his name is a rip-off. Look into the facts about the guy and your opinion might change.
@Ck-zk3we
@Ck-zk3we 6 жыл бұрын
destroyed by drugs
@Mrariesdave
@Mrariesdave 10 жыл бұрын
I respect her more now than ever, her intelligence, integrity, and personality shine through.
@dylan11558
@dylan11558 3 жыл бұрын
The reasons that Dylan is careful, even secretive about himself, his music, his thoughts, his life is showcased here with JM. Dylan protects himself by being evasive and mysterious, because he knows the price of fame is too a high a cost for anyone. JM, because she does not have Dylan's 60+ years of being mysterious and hard to figure out, seems a bit confused and bitter. JM is a huge talent, but she needs more of Dylan's control of her media image to protect her image and herself. Dylan learned that early in his career.
@gilchasin1022
@gilchasin1022 Жыл бұрын
Bitter? To me, it's more like passionate -- good for her for passionately standing up for herself, for correcting the wrong done her by ignorant interviewers, & for clearly stating not liking being set-up, taken out of context & misquoted. Nobody I know likes that from anyone. Love her 'certainly not by someone whose IQ is somewhere between their shoe size & the distance between their ankle & their knee.' Lol. I don't blame her one bit, but to label her biitter? That's your opinion...but Why, because she's not all lollipops & roses, & calls a spade a spade? C'mon. Real? Definitely. And, maybe I missed it, but where was the confusion? Goddess forbid that she took a breath to think how she wanted to respond. She seems refreshingly clear as daylight to me. 🙏🏿🙌
@susankenneth2298
@susankenneth2298 Жыл бұрын
If she spits out so many petty insults at the ignorance of a hack journalist I can believe she has some bitterness she needs to share.
@cocolette370
@cocolette370 2 жыл бұрын
"The box" for songwriting? What was she referring to?
@karlmehltretter2677
@karlmehltretter2677 Жыл бұрын
A box where he puts small scraps of paper with lines that come to his mind. Then later he takes out some of these pieces and arranges them to create a whole song.
@cocolette370
@cocolette370 Жыл бұрын
@@karlmehltretter2677 thanks
@wakajawakka
@wakajawakka 11 жыл бұрын
It's pretty laughable how vigorously Dylan's fans will defend him, even against the most tepid of criticisms. Does it ever occur to you that Joni knows him personally and therefore has opinions of him that go beyond what you know of him as fans? Most of these legends from the 60s/70s knew each other and probably like/dislike each other for reasons that, as fans, we'll never be privy to.
@cactaceous
@cactaceous 5 жыл бұрын
Bob slept with her and dismissed her a few times, specially later in life he was not nice. She spoke marvels of him throughout her life but now spews vile his way since then. Wonder why?
@anfieldarcher8545
@anfieldarcher8545 3 жыл бұрын
She said that she has never borrowed and she is an original what's so original about a guitar and a folk song
@KLanz123
@KLanz123 11 жыл бұрын
I don't know what was in response to me, but I never implied that Joni "put down" anyone. I just see a pattern in her "later period" interviews where seems to be willing to point out weaknesses in other musicians, the music industry, today's music, etc., in a context that leaves herself looking somehow superior and protected from the same kind of criticism. The poem on her website proudly proclaims that she "spews the truth". Well what she spews is Joni's truth, not always the actual truth.
@journeythruthepast
@journeythruthepast 11 жыл бұрын
Joni wasn't all that original when she started, just another folkie with a lovely voice. But 1970 onward her music was quite original to the point you could hear it and say "That's a Joni Mitchell song." Her unique guitar tunings and chord phrasings on piano are integral to that. Bob's still genius IMO. He takes the past and reinvents it better than anyone else ever has. And like Joni says puts on a character. He's the ultimate interpreter of old Americana. A gifted shape shifter of old styles.
@EddySawaya8637
@EddySawaya8637 2 жыл бұрын
She was always a genius, from her early starts in 1963 and onwards. In anything she did, folkie or not, she elevated herself above others.
@piehole23
@piehole23 11 жыл бұрын
Wherever would you get the idea that things didn't work out for Joni Mitchell?? 8 Grammys, 7 more nominations, inducted into Rock & Rol Hall of Fame; her music enthusiastically covered by other famed singers, Rolling Stone ranked "Both Sides, Now" #171 on its 500 Greatest Songs of All Time.etc. etc. Not to mention acclaim for painting and poetry, beatiful homes in Bel Air and Half Moon Bay, BC. Ya, things really have gone bad for her!
@APRR890
@APRR890 8 жыл бұрын
"i'm only bob dylan when i have to be bob dylan, most of the time i can just be myself." - Dylan ...Regardless dylan's lyrics are prolific and his consistent reiteration of his songs over the decades demonstrates his genius. Joni's a light weight by comparison she could play and sing yeah but if we're talking about content and depth of originality give me a break
@kaymiller7314
@kaymiller7314 6 жыл бұрын
Andrew Robichaud was
@DexterHaven
@DexterHaven 6 жыл бұрын
For a performer, adopting a character and new name is smart. Elton John proved that too.
@chuckhurlocker2180
@chuckhurlocker2180 3 жыл бұрын
Glad I watched this on this fine morning
@playingdominoes
@playingdominoes 7 жыл бұрын
Gorgeous when she mimics him "Sometimes I wish I could have that character". Two greats.
@mbrand19971
@mbrand19971 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks Norman I'm glad you read this and hopefully these debates of good songwriters shpuld end all of them gave us good music that will cherish our lives forever.
@HippieFlower1000
@HippieFlower1000 10 жыл бұрын
A complete folk Goddess,saying it ,as it,.is!..An honest reaction to the questions asked....Bow low to this lady..she will never be replaced..but will leave her legacy of fantastic songs for the future generations of folk to look up too, and admire..:)
@tulumize
@tulumize 11 жыл бұрын
0:55 sounds ?
@Namdor2012
@Namdor2012 Жыл бұрын
Joni hot for herself and transcends bitterness, at being just above average..Janis Ian outshone her, Janis was far more talented musically, lyrically and vocally...What is Joni smoking?? Dylan can play Piano exceptionally well also Guitar, also wrote bundles of mind blowing songs..Also he sings to clearly articulate rather than to focus on vocal artistry, as his songs make hers look like a hippie preschooler...Joni's peak was "Big yellow Taxi" and some ok other tracks, most of her work runs off the same melodies..lol...She did say this, it was recorded and if it was false it would have been retracted...“Bob is not authentic at all. He's a plagiarist, and his name and voice are fake. Everything about Bob is a deception.” - Roberta Joan Mitchell...>Ms Idiot Wind
@tygodine
@tygodine 7 жыл бұрын
Joni Mitchell is wonderful
@jchezval4125
@jchezval4125 11 жыл бұрын
I do love Joni, but she's not seriously saying that Paul Simon (who came to the fore long before she did) was imitating her? And trying to reduce Dylan to his guitar-playing and his voice is like trying to reduce her to open tunings and good cheekbones. Kind of love her putdown of the LA Times hack, though.
@douglasmartin9346
@douglasmartin9346 11 жыл бұрын
Tempest is the thirty-fifth studio album by American singer-songwriter Bob Dylan, released on September 10, 2012 by Columbia Records. The album was recorded at Jackson Browne's Groove Masters Studios in Santa Monica, California. Tempest was very well received by contemporary music critics, who praised its traditional music influences and Dylan's dark lyrics.
@tony22745
@tony22745 6 жыл бұрын
"Good artists borrow, great artists steal", - Pablo Picasso.
@kathidori8504
@kathidori8504 4 жыл бұрын
There is nothing new under the sun. Go look for the babylonian ceramics in the Louvre in Paris : maybe Picasso was inspired by them.......
@beyeringly
@beyeringly 11 жыл бұрын
sorry, does not diminish the fact that she is an incredible song writer, musician and singer and may be the second greatest poet if the 20th century
@travisthornton1792
@travisthornton1792 10 жыл бұрын
For the first half of this video, she answers a general question with personalized, self-centered answers.
@yuntakukai1002
@yuntakukai1002 5 күн бұрын
she's a narcissist
@ergbudster3333
@ergbudster3333 7 жыл бұрын
Good old Joni. Best thing about us ordinary homely folks is when we git old it don't matter.
@balbinaviola9926
@balbinaviola9926 10 жыл бұрын
The interviewer lacks sensitivity and finesse.
@johanstaelens5194
@johanstaelens5194 4 жыл бұрын
That is NOT true !
@ianjohnson3840
@ianjohnson3840 4 жыл бұрын
I think Joni just needs to go an old folks home
@johanstaelens5194
@johanstaelens5194 4 жыл бұрын
Would You do it better ? Joni is one of a kind.
@duppykitoon
@duppykitoon 4 жыл бұрын
@@ianjohnson3840 You need to go to a bar.
@tubeyou89119
@tubeyou89119 3 жыл бұрын
Disagree. Jian Ghomeshi is one of very good interviewers in my view. I miss his show actually. Good interviews should have tough questions to allow the interviewees to show different sides of them. Jian is being very respectful here, even threw a lighthearted and important question like "how am I doing?" You know Joni Mitchell is a very wise and highly accomplished legend, so not very easy to interview.
@bluesborn
@bluesborn 11 жыл бұрын
Joni is just giving her honest opinion on certain facets of Dylan's style.I appreciate that honesty. I think they are both brilliant song writers but I wouldn't hesitate to give Bob the edge as far as that goes.Conversely Joni is a brilliant guitarist whose open tuning technique is highly regarded in the guitar world.Bob on the other hand has a rather simplistic technique and so in this regard Joni definitely has the edge.Having said all of this-it really doesn't matter.They're both genius'.
@bluesborn
@bluesborn 10 жыл бұрын
I absolutely respect this fearless woman and everything she has to say. She doesn't hate Bob at all in fact she probably respects him more than anyone else but she's also not going to jive the interviewer with cheap sentiment and fake praise.She nails Dylan down exactly.Bob DOES take on a character to write and basically concocted a whole fake history to build a mystique around himself. He admits as much. It's who he is and how he creates the amazing work that he does. It's part of his whole PROCESS. Look it up.
@christinechapman7288
@christinechapman7288 2 жыл бұрын
She is wonderful🙂
@nosnayack
@nosnayack 11 жыл бұрын
The first time I heard Joni was "Court and Spark" and I felt her melodies and chords were otherworldly. Bob Dylan was influenced by Joni's "Blue"...."Tangled Up in Blue" and the whole of Blood On the Tracks. She has it right when she depicts most musicians imitating their heroes. All the comments here seek to express that Dylan is better but miss the point. He gets loads of credit. Joni is a worthy equal and doesn't really get much credit. She really had to fight to stay in the business
@ShunyamNiketana
@ShunyamNiketana 11 жыл бұрын
One important aspect of artistic "genius" is the ability and willingness to adapt, evolve, develop. Joni has that in spades. Based on her folk-hippie songs (can't think of a better term) of the late 60s, all beautiful, who would have anticipated the amazing, jazzy essays of the 90's and beyond? Those are complex, subtle, tender hymns. Dylan benefited from timing and his own NYC coffee house ambition, but that's not to minimize the genius of songs that endure and cover so well. I like both.
@RickSkrzypek
@RickSkrzypek 9 жыл бұрын
At 50 years and counting, we have Van, Bruce, Neil, Leonard and had Cash and Ray Charles.
@ruffyy123
@ruffyy123 10 жыл бұрын
Joni Mitchell was working with different tunings and with Jazz musicians. Her music had a sophistication that Dylan's heartfelt backwoods music did not. Neil Young and Tom Petty are sort of cut from the same cloth. Basic chords and an accessible sound that we ordinary folks can relate to and play with minor proficency. Joni Mitchell is indeed high art and learned musicians will concur.
@mcdaniels6188
@mcdaniels6188 8 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad to hear that Joni didn't actually dis Bob Dylan. Joni should be the next Nobel recipient for literature.
@DictionRedaction
@DictionRedaction 11 жыл бұрын
Didn't get her point there on Paul Simon at 0:40. He tried to imitate Joni's style, is that what she's saying?
@fauxhokington
@fauxhokington 11 жыл бұрын
one of the few people who's critique of Dylan is worthy of being heard - I love it "sometimes I wish I could have had that character" a la Bob - cool
@joedaw3003
@joedaw3003 11 ай бұрын
Joni is wonderfully gifted and original. And so is Dylan. Both with different perspectives on life and music many times.
@jamesobrien7338
@jamesobrien7338 7 жыл бұрын
Dylan is a much better guitarist than given credit for, watch him perform with Clapton in that 1999 show, and his voice is the thing that attracted me to him when I was like 14, Im 17 now and went to see him recently and its still ace to me, in terms of technicalaly good voices listen to the 1967-1973 time, but I love any voice he's had
@fivehead6675
@fivehead6675 Жыл бұрын
And watch him play It’s Alright Ma in 1965 on guitar.
@JimDeferio
@JimDeferio Жыл бұрын
Dude, he couldn't even figure out what chords the Beatles were using in their songs. George Harrison had to give Dylan a short guitar lesson in 1968. Dylan admitted all of this in interviews.
@jamesobrien7338
@jamesobrien7338 Жыл бұрын
@@JimDeferio you’re clearly just not looking into his music over the years and live performances etc If that’s what you’re basing it off
@JimDeferio
@JimDeferio Жыл бұрын
@@jamesobrien7338 When I think of people like Dylan and Springsteen and think about how many DECADES have gone by and they STILL are not that good on the guitar, I have to wonder about the level of their musical talent. If I were in the music business my guitar playing would be beyond an Eric Clapton level by now but I'm not and I would rather study science, logic, etc and just fool around on the guitar. So, if these guys are only at my level I say that they STINK. LOL Btw, I saw Dylan in concert in 2003 and it was pretty bad.
@niallswaine2436
@niallswaine2436 6 ай бұрын
@@JimDeferio Wow you have figured out Dylans and Springsteens guitar playing level based on your non existing guitar level. You clearly havnt seen Bob or Bruce play guitar much or even seen bob play piano or harp. Do a bit of study. listen to Bobs playing on the origonal its alright ma im only bleeding. That alone may change your way of thinking. then continue
@funisnumberone1
@funisnumberone1 11 жыл бұрын
I'm glad she go the chance to explain her previously attributed comments about Bob. I never thought she'd say something so harsh and degrading about him,and I can absolutely believe she was misquoted and/or taken out of context by a journalist trying to create controversy and notoriety. She basically says what Bob has said before: that he borrows from his influences in the folk tradition and adds to it, whether that be his voice, his writing style, and the words he uses so magically.
@ernietollar407
@ernietollar407 9 жыл бұрын
Also while Joni is responsible for her comments about others, I'd prefer for a forum which encourages her to focus on HERSELF, and not steer a now woman into a mental sparing dialogue with herself.. she was always very welll spoken and directed the conversation to things that mattered to her (which is always a good thing for the one who is being interviewed to aim for). Hearing her scoff at a great fellow artist like Paul Simon was not the well thought out Joni I love... more a rambling moment when she let herself (at an older age) get steered intowhat I think is not her most meaningful moment
@cafinario
@cafinario 10 жыл бұрын
Pure originality just doesn't exist. If something like that comes out, most people will not recognize it, and chances are that it will fade away without getting noticed. At best, artists will pick up available elements and take them somewhere, but still in a recognizable form. Joni is one of them. And I think Bob too.
@richie1957aus
@richie1957aus 9 жыл бұрын
If Dylan is a plagiarist, he's the most brilliant plagiarist in history. Some of his later songs are a "cut and paste" collage of quotes from old poems, novels, movies, magazines - but it takes extraordinary talent to make it work in the context of a song. If it was easy, there would be thousands of Bob Dylan clones out there, but there has only ever been one. Joni has written a few good songs (most of her LP's are forgettable), but the catalog of great Dylan songs can fill a book. As a comparison of their respective talents: Dylan masterpiece LP's = Freewheelin / Bringing It All Back Home / Blonde On Blonde / Highway 61 Revisited / Blood On The Tracks. Joni masterpiece LP's = ?? (Blue?) Joni's singing style can be far more annoying than Dylan's (could she ever hold a note?), her lyrics were often very twee, and her sense of melody is not so superior that it gives her the right to criticize Dylan's musicianship. People who think Dylan stopped writing decent songs in the 60's/70's should go and listen to Oh Mercy, Time Out Of Mind, or Love And Theft. How many artists still make relevant music 50 years after they began their careers - other than Dylan? (maybe Neil Young and Leonard Cohen - but certainly not Joni, Paul McCartney or the Glimmer Twins)
@NiniGoldFish
@NiniGoldFish 9 жыл бұрын
Joni's masterpiece albums: The Hissing of Summer Lawns, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, For the Roses, Hejira, Blue, Ladies of the Canyon. Clearly by the looks of your comment you haven't listened to any of these except maybe Blue, I strongly recommend you do, and stop taking Joni's comment so personally to heart, she has every right to express her opinion over any artist she wants.
@richie1957aus
@richie1957aus 9 жыл бұрын
The albums you've listed are mostly pretentious pseudo-jazz twaddle. I like Ladies Of The Canyon, but that's about as far as it goes. I don't hear too many people covering her work, but there are thousands of Dylan covers - that says it all.
@humanbein9415
@humanbein9415 9 жыл бұрын
+normanbates' mom I concur. Dylan is THE songwriter of all songwriters. His influence is infinite. I am not going to knock Joni. (Too bad she didn't stop smoking packs a day 40 yrs. ago.) I know many who have no knowledge, or understanding of either of these two artists even though somebody's songs they love has been influenced by one, or the other, or both! So there you have it. (More by Dylan) ; - )
@sebastianschweigert7117
@sebastianschweigert7117 9 жыл бұрын
+normanbates' I support your first paragraph, but you sound like an idiot due to the rest. Joni is also an extremely talented singer and songwriter. She also has masterpiece LPs. Her singing style is amazing, and her lyrics are often very clever.
@TruNordics14
@TruNordics14 9 жыл бұрын
+normanbates, You said: "Joni has written a few good songs (most of her LP's are forgettable)" I don't know what kind of alternate universe you're living in, but that statement makes the rest of your comment invalid.
@santanaincubus
@santanaincubus 11 жыл бұрын
Nyah, forget all the Dylan haters and Ms Joni's comment about Bob that he's made a character and that his talent is limited. Hell to the No. Bob is and was a great musician and can sing and play guitar at a great high level. Made great classics and decided to not sell out or appear in the media late in his career.
@KeizerHedorah
@KeizerHedorah 9 жыл бұрын
Bob Dylan is an above average guitar player from what I have heard and seen in his live performances, how the fuck do people pretend to know what Bob can do on the guitar? He may play flamenco nylon string guitar in his personal time for all we know.
@Witregel
@Witregel 8 жыл бұрын
I agree with you, it's also a matter of opinion. I have a guitar teacher who said that Mitchell isn't all that good of a guitar player either. Rhythmically, sure, but it's kind of Fred Neil's strumming style applied to different tunings, which makes complex chords much easier to play.
@2uconner
@2uconner 11 жыл бұрын
wow I am so glad J cleared this up about Bob Dylan I was just floored when I read what they wrote about Bob D I like Dylan s songs he is so cute as an older man and so timid I think the Fragile part makes him more enduring now and better looking something gentle
@ruffyy123
@ruffyy123 10 жыл бұрын
Bob Dylan's music is simplistic campfire music on par with she's comin' round the mountain when she comes. Joni has successfully melded her music with bonifide jazz musicians. Dylan is played at every guitar meetup and open mic around the country because it's easy to play. 3 or 4 chords and you've got a Dylan song. Joni's material is complex and sophisticated.
@AndrewHaym
@AndrewHaym 10 жыл бұрын
David, that's the best comparison I've heard about Bob's songs. You're right. His music is like "Comin' around the mountain when she comes." LOL. Or even "Hot crust buns." He's a musical dolt.
@anthonysalvati5868
@anthonysalvati5868 10 жыл бұрын
No one is singing Jokerman, or Simple Twist of Fate, or Sweetheart Like You, or Postively 4th Street, or Like a Rolling Stone around a campfire. You don't like Dylan, that's fine, you are entitled to your opinion. But when you denigrate one of the greatest, if not the greatest songwriter in recent musical history, a man who has influenced, among others, John Lennon, Bruce Springsteen, Jimi Hendrix, George Harrison, Tom Petty,Eric Clapton,Jamie Robbie Robertson, and the list goes on and on, then you're the one who ends up sounding like a musical dolt. To quote from a song"Don't criticize what you can't understand" Idiotic.
@ruffyy123
@ruffyy123 10 жыл бұрын
Anthony Salvati I love Dylan but his lack of musicality gives me hope....
@anthonysalvati5868
@anthonysalvati5868 10 жыл бұрын
I don't think anyone is saying that Dylan is a great musician, most great songwriters aren't, and most of the classically great songs are not complicated musically. Bridge Over Troubled Water, Imagine, Blowing in the Wind,Something, Hallelujah, all songs which will span generations, are not musically intricate. I have to chuckle at your statement "his lack of musicality gives me hope" Gives you hope for what? That someday you will write some of the greatest songs in the history of modern music, and influence a multitude of up and coming musical artists? You're right, I can go into any local bar here in New Haven on any given night and find a roomful of musicians who can play their instrument better than Dylan. But you would have to scour the country to find a better poet/songwriter. Leonard Cohen and Bruce Springsteen... I love Joni Mitchell and she has composed some great music, but, in this video, she sounds like a bitter old woman who hasn't been relevant in years, and that's too bad.
@AndrewHaym
@AndrewHaym 10 жыл бұрын
Anthony Salvati Anthony, great poets stick to literature. Bob was neither a great poet or musician. For whatever reason, people love mediocrity and they flock to it. Look at most musicians or artists today - mediocre. None of them are as prolific as Mozart.
@CuirPhotodotNet
@CuirPhotodotNet 6 жыл бұрын
Joni could do anything Bob could do on any level.....his work ethic and drive for fame and recognition is stronger than hers....the interviewer took the emphasis off of HER..TO TALK ABOUT BOB....she fell for one of the oldest tricks in the book...the few comments I have read reflects the level people are on...I thought she was going to discuss their personal relationship instead of a discussion of her opinion about his undeniable talent ....JONI...is a unique being...truly....her art is undeniable....
@Lengo67
@Lengo67 10 жыл бұрын
Lookit. All artists, whether they're musicians, painters, writers or whatever, 'borrow' from other artists. Kurt Vonnegut's opening line in 'Cat's Cradle' is 'Call me Ishmael', a line from Herman Melville's 'Moby Dick'. Bits of songs are borrowed too here and there. This bullshit about Dylan being a plagiarist is just ignorant. Some people don't like Dylan and they'll find anything wrong to show that they don't like, but he is no plagiarist. Bob Dylan has been on the cover of Rolling Stone Magazine more times than any other solo artist. Why? Because he influenced Rock more than any other artist, taking it from kiddie pop to adult music. He is a genius!
@colinpsykes
@colinpsykes 10 жыл бұрын
We can agree about the genius of Bob Dylan, mate! (Recently, a groundless and false rumor that the Nobel prize committee was considering making Dylan a laureate for his contribution to world literature-in poetry-was circulating on the internet. I don't think people would've believed the story to be true if it were said of any other rockstar, folky singer-songwriter, or popular musician out there.) He's truly singular in his brilliance, and prolific like very few creative people, working with any medium and at any time, have been. And about the "borrowing"… I recently heard Neil Young say in an interview that he never really listens to another artist's music, unless it's coming from another person's car, or maybe their bedroom window, and he happens to hear it as he walks by. That way, he won't unwittingly use another's ideas in his own work, and try to pass them off as original.
@DreaCN
@DreaCN 10 жыл бұрын
Colin Sykes That's so funny you said that. Once during an interview Neil was asked what advice he'd give to up and coming artists of today. He looked into the camera and said 'steal as much as you can'. Artists are full of contradictions.
@JohnOShaughnessy
@JohnOShaughnessy 3 жыл бұрын
That cleared up a few things! She's a real muse
@MaduinTerra
@MaduinTerra 11 жыл бұрын
The vast majority of musicians borrow from artists that precede them - Dylan included. She is not saying it is a bad thing. Joni isn't the only musician who has said that Dylan isn't a brilliant guitarist. It's just a honest fact. He gets by very well with the guitar skills that he has but it's not really a talent. He does borrow different characters for his music. Dylan is still one of the most important artists of our time and neither Joni or Bob need defending from pathetic diehard fans.
@mountaintyme2000
@mountaintyme2000 11 жыл бұрын
To respectfully disagree, I have been around professional musicians for most of my life and worked in the industry for 20 years. There are many people equally as talented as Mitchell who don't have the attitude.
@Gabriel-gv1mx
@Gabriel-gv1mx 3 жыл бұрын
Joni is indeed gifted, but so is Dylan. In fact, Dylan is more than a potpourri of hillbilly blues and borrowed masks; he's a skilled lyricist, poet and songwriter. There are melodic inferiors to almost all of his work, so whether his guitar playing is sub-standard or not, his ability to write profound songs with harmonic resonance makes him not just mediocre or unenduring, but quite the opposite. His first ever electric version of Rolling Stone should amply illustrate this point. I rarely attach the appellation if genius to an Artist, but I have no hesitation in calling Dylan a genius.
@leahflower9924
@leahflower9924 2 жыл бұрын
She tries to downplay bob Dylan's talent I don't know why she is good but as far as canadians go I like Neil young better
@DanielMulloy-bg6gw
@DanielMulloy-bg6gw Жыл бұрын
I will always love that woman!
@arnarne
@arnarne 10 жыл бұрын
How can she say Dylan in not v. musically gifted when he has written some of the most beautiful tunes ever? I don't understand that.
@EricScottBloom
@EricScottBloom 10 жыл бұрын
RE: BOB---She's quoting the people who have said similar things out of pure ignorance and jealousy…..simple….E
@arnarne
@arnarne 10 жыл бұрын
Eric-Scott Bloom I suppose you´re absolutely right…. ;)
@JanetCaterina
@JanetCaterina 10 жыл бұрын
Oh silly, Bob never sang more than one note per song. Tunes were not his specialty. His best songs were blues songs that were never popular but rocked a lot more than his dirges.
@arnarne
@arnarne 10 жыл бұрын
Janet Caterina I am not saying you are wrong but I have always felt that a lot of Dylans tunes are as amazing as his lyric´s are! What about Lay lady lay, Mr. Tambourine man or I want you just for example. Incredible tunes!
@mikelheron20
@mikelheron20 10 жыл бұрын
He is definitely not a gifted musician either as composer or performer. His tunes are almost an irrelevance - that's why he mutilates them so much in his live performances. His lyrics (sometimes) are a different matter. Some are pure poetry. (Some are complete bullshit - as he has actually admitted.) Joni, unlike Bob, combines poetry with musical genius.
@Flowmotion1000
@Flowmotion1000 11 жыл бұрын
The wonderful thing about those sixties writers was the way they evolved gradually from naivety to sophistication.These days you come armed with ready made references,bathe in the the limelight and then fizzle out after a couple of albums.I think Joni is every bit as good as Dylan,incidentally,and probably more accomplished.
@sharonsmith2771
@sharonsmith2771 2 жыл бұрын
Actually no. She has no Nobel prize. She does not have his depth or breadth. Just facts.
@maggiebryan2355
@maggiebryan2355 6 ай бұрын
No one has evolved.more than bob
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